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  32. # [17:49] <glazou> Zakim, this will be Style
  33. # [17:49] <Zakim> ok, glazou; I see Style_CSS FP()12:00PM scheduled to start in 15 minutes
  34. # [17:58] <Zakim> Style_CSS FP()12:00PM has now started
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  46. # [18:01] * glazou has issues with VoIP, just a second please
  47. # [18:02] <Zakim> Style_CSS FP()12:00PM has now started
  48. # [18:02] <glazou> aaah
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  52. # [18:02] <dsinger_> Zakim, mute me
  53. # [18:02] <Zakim> sorry, dsinger_, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
  54. # [18:02] <glazou> Zakim, mute dsinger
  55. # [18:02] <Zakim> dsinger should now be muted
  56. # [18:03] * dsinger_ thx
  57. # [18:03] <glazou> np
  58. # [18:05] <dsinger_> Zakim, who is here?
  59. # [18:05] <Zakim> On the phone I see dsinger (muted), glazou
  60. # [18:05] <Zakim> On IRC I see dsinger_, RRSAgent, Zakim, glazou, myakura, MoZ, MikeSmith, jdaggett, annevk, karl, fantasai, dsinger, plinss_, krijnh, anne, Hixie, plinss, Bert, trackbot
  61. # [18:05] * dsinger_ wow 2 of us...
  62. # [18:05] <Zakim> +plinss
  63. # [18:06] * Bert will be there in 2 minutes.
  64. # [18:06] <glazou> ok Bert
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  67. # [18:06] <Zakim> +SteveZ
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  76. # [18:10] <fantasai> Daniel: Bert, you sent two extra items
  77. # [18:10] <fantasai> Topic: Agenda
  78. # [18:11] <fantasai> Daniel: First one is about tpac
  79. # [18:11] <fantasai> Daniel: Other is about F2F
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  81. # [18:11] <glazou> http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/Tracker/issues/108
  82. # [18:11] <fantasai> Topic: CSS2.1 Issue 108
  83. # [18:11] <fantasai> s/CSS2.1/
  84. # [18:11] <fantasai> /
  85. # [18:11] <fantasai> Interaction of border-image and border-radius
  86. # [18:12] * fantasai can't see it yet
  87. # [18:12] * Bert still waiting for the document...
  88. # [18:12] <fantasai> I'm reading clilley's email
  89. # [18:12] <fantasai> I don't understand why it's unclear
  90. # [18:14] <Zakim> + +47.21.65.aaaa
  91. # [18:15] <fantasai> fantasai: I don't see what's unclear here
  92. # [18:16] <fantasai> fantasai: border-radius does not affect the border-image, but it is still used to define the clip areas for other things
  93. # [18:16] * dsinger_ much noise?
  94. # [18:16] <Zakim> -fantasai
  95. # [18:16] <glazou> fantasai: disconnected...
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  97. # [18:17] <Bert> zakim, who is making noise?
  98. # [18:17] <Zakim> +fantasai
  99. # [18:17] <Zakim> Bert, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P8 (14%), glazou (20%)
  100. # [18:18] <arronei> Sorry late regrets. Got pulled into a meeting. I am on IRC though
  101. # [18:18] <dsinger_> Picture(s)?
  102. # [18:18] <Zakim> + +34.60.940.aabb
  103. # [18:19] <fantasai> ACTION: fantasai reply to chrisL
  104. # [18:19] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  105. # [18:19] * RRSAgent records action 1
  106. # [18:19] <fantasai> Zakim, +34 is Cesar
  107. # [18:19] <Zakim> +Cesar; got it
  108. # [18:19] <glazou> http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/Tracker/issues/107
  109. # [18:20] <trackbot> Could not create new action - please contact sysreq with the details of what happened.
  110. # [18:20] <trackbot> Could not create new action - please contact sysreq with the details of what happened.
  111. # [18:20] <fantasai> Steve: He's talking about when ruby appears both above and below the text
  112. # [18:20] <fantasai> Steve: E.g. University with kana above and English below
  113. # [18:20] <fantasai> Steve: Our default is to put both the kana and the English above, and that doesn't make sense
  114. # [18:20] <fantasai> Steve: What he proposes is I think ok if I understand complex ruby correctlyk
  115. # [18:21] * dsinger_ is microphone-keyboard distancing possible?
  116. # [18:21] <fantasai> fantasai: We still don't have an editor for Ruby, though
  117. # [18:21] <fantasai> fantasai: Last editor was Paul Nelson, before that Michel Suignard
  118. # [18:21] <glazou> arronei: can MSFT edit Ruby ?
  119. # [18:22] <arronei> possibly. I will check with sylvain
  120. # [18:22] <fantasai> Daniel: We have Steve's opinion, need others
  121. # [18:22] <fantasai> fantasai: can ask i18n
  122. # [18:23] <fantasai> ACTION: Steve ask i18n for their opinion
  123. # [18:23] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  124. # [18:23] * RRSAgent records action 2
  125. # [18:23] <trackbot> Created ACTION-145 - Ask i18n for their opinion [on Steve Zilles - due 2009-06-03].
  126. # [18:23] <dsinger_> Zakim who is making noise?
  127. # [18:23] <Zakim> - +47.21.65.aaaa
  128. # [18:24] <Zakim> -glazou
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  130. # [18:24] <glazou> grrr the bridge does not let come back
  131. # [18:24] <Zakim> +??P3
  132. # [18:25] <ChrisL> zakim, ??P3 is me
  133. # [18:25] <Zakim> +ChrisL; got it
  134. # [18:25] <Zakim> +glazou
  135. # [18:25] <ChrisL> (sorry to be late, just got back from dentist)
  136. # [18:25] <szilles> Daniel we cannot understand a word you say
  137. # [18:25] <glazou> np
  138. # [18:25] <glazou> hold on
  139. # [18:25] * dsinger_ ah ug oh mm hu ggi from daniel
  140. # [18:26] * ChrisL daniel it sounds like you are using morse code
  141. # [18:26] <Zakim> -glazou
  142. # [18:26] <Zakim> + +00472164aacc
  143. # [18:26] * glazou switches to real phone
  144. # [18:26] <Zakim> +glazou
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  146. # [18:26] <glazou> lol @ morse code
  147. # [18:28] <ChrisL> rrsagent, here
  148. # [18:28] <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2009/05/27-CSS-irc#T16-24-33
  149. # [18:28] <fantasai> Discussion with Chris to bring him up to date on the border-radius/border-image issue
  150. # [18:29] <fantasai> Topic: 3rd Agenda Item
  151. # [18:29] <glazou> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009May/0200.html
  152. # [18:29] <ChrisL> rrsagent, make logs public
  153. # [18:29] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, ChrisL
  154. # [18:31] <fantasai> fantasai: I think the issue about falling back from viewbox to width/height should be defined in SVG, it's not a CSS issue
  155. # [18:31] <fantasai> fantasai: I don't know what to do about preserveAspectRatio
  156. # [18:31] <Zakim> +[Apple]
  157. # [18:31] <fantasai> ChrisL: pAR is about negotiating between the SVG and the renderer
  158. # [18:31] <Zakim> -dsinger
  159. # [18:31] <fantasai> ChrisL: They negotiate a size and the SVG figures out how to fill that size
  160. # [18:32] <dsinger> zakim, [apple] has dsinger
  161. # [18:32] <Zakim> +dsinger; got it
  162. # [18:33] <fantasai> ChrisL: I think percentages make a lot of sense for dividing the SVG
  163. # [18:33] <fantasai> ChrisL: Rasterization should happen after stretching
  164. # [18:34] <fantasai> fantasai: I think for border-image you basically treat it as pAR none
  165. # [18:35] <fantasai> ChrisL: I want to do the partitioning and scaling on the vector geometry, and then rasterize it
  166. # [18:37] <fantasai> fantasai: If the spec doesn't deal with images that have no intrinsic size, then that's an issue we should address. But the details of viewbox attributes vs width/height attributes should be in the SVG spec
  167. # [18:37] <ChrisL> There needs to be a way to specify what size rendering of the svg s desired, for the usual case where its a scalable image without an intrinsic size
  168. # [18:40] <ChrisL> fantasai, you suggested using the border box size as the size to render the svg
  169. # [18:40] <fantasai> fantasai: I think I should change "CSS px units" to "vector coordinates"
  170. # [18:42] <fantasai> fantasai: but other than that, you don't need to pick a size to be able to divide the SVG image
  171. # [18:42] <fantasai> fantasai: and when you scale and place the images, you're using regions defined by the size of the element's border box
  172. # [18:43] <fantasai> fantasai: that do not depend on the image
  173. # [18:46] <fantasai> ACTION: Chris check editor's draft for any needed changes
  174. # [18:46] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  175. # [18:46] * RRSAgent records action 3
  176. # [18:46] <trackbot> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - Chris
  177. # [18:46] <trackbot> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. ChrisWilson, clilley)
  178. # [18:46] <fantasai> ACTION: fantasai change "CSS px units" to "vector coordinates"
  179. # [18:46] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  180. # [18:46] * RRSAgent records action 4
  181. # [18:46] <trackbot> Created ACTION-146 - Change "CSS px units" to "vector coordinates" [on Elika Etemad - due 2009-06-03].
  182. # [18:47] <ChrisL> -o-border-image: url("border.png") 27 27 27 27 round stretch;
  183. # [18:47] <ChrisL> -icab-border-image: url("border.png") 27 27 27 27 round stretch;
  184. # [18:47] <ChrisL> -khtml-border-image: url("border.png") 27 27 27 27 round stretch;
  185. # [18:47] <ChrisL> -moz-border-image: url("border.png") 27 27 27 27 round stretch;
  186. # [18:47] <ChrisL> -webkit-border-image: url("border.png") 27 27 27 27 round stretch;
  187. # [18:47] <ChrisL> border-image: url("border.png") 27 27 27 27 round stretch;
  188. # [18:48] <fantasai> Steve: Might help to come up with examples where the SVG stretches differently
  189. # [18:48] <glazou> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009May/0184.html
  190. # [18:49] <fantasai> fantasai: Bert's message says that the spec is clear on how @rules should be handled inside declaration blocks
  191. # [18:50] <fantasai> fantasai: But the resolution was to change the spec so that they are parsed as invalid @rules rather than as invalid tokens
  192. # [18:50] <fantasai> fantasai: So we don't have a proposal that implements the resolution
  193. # [18:51] <fantasai> Bert: I thought the resolution was to change @page so that the @rules must appear at the end of the @page block
  194. # [18:51] <fantasai> Bert: not to change 2.1
  195. # [18:51] <fantasai> Bert: Surely we have more implementations of 2.1 than of @page
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  197. # [18:52] <fantasai> Daniel: So what do we do?
  198. # [18:52] <fantasai> fantasai: well, we /have/ a resolution. If we want, we can reopen the issue
  199. # [18:52] <fantasai> fantasai: but we should do that next week, not this week
  200. # [18:53] <fantasai> Topic: F2F
  201. # [18:53] <fantasai> Daniel: There are a lot of topics on the F2F meeting agenda page
  202. # [18:53] <fantasai> Dnaiel: It would help a lot if people sent emails to say which topics they would like to discuss
  203. # [18:53] <fantasai> Daniel and Peter will prepare the agenda tomorrow
  204. # [18:54] <fantasai> http://wiki.csswg.org/planning/sophia-2009
  205. # [18:54] <fantasai> Daniel: We would like to prepare an agenda by the end of the week, so please send your comments soon
  206. # [18:54] <fantasai> Daniel: Is everyone attending all three days?
  207. # [18:54] <fantasai> http://wiki.csswg.org/planning/sophia-2009
  208. # [18:54] <fantasai> Howcome: I thought I wasn't coming, but I'm coming.
  209. # [18:56] <fantasai> Daniel: In your emails, if you have a car let us know
  210. # [18:56] <fantasai> Daniel: Carpool from Antibes, carpool from airport
  211. # [18:57] <fantasai> Daniel: Bert wanted to know if everyone is staying for the visit to the library
  212. # [18:57] <fantasai> Daniel: If you cannot come, please say
  213. # [18:57] <fantasai> Molly, Anne, and fantasai will be staying near ERCIM
  214. # [18:58] <fantasai> Daniel: If you did not notice, there will be a fee for attending TPAC
  215. # [18:58] <fantasai> Daniel: If you register late it's $75
  216. # [18:58] <fantasai> Daniel: Early it's $50/day
  217. # [18:59] <fantasai> Daniel: So register early
  218. # [19:00] <fantasai> Dsinger: I will want to attend both CSS and HTML5
  219. # [19:00] <fantasai> Steve: I'm chairing a meeting on Thursday
  220. # [19:00] <fantasai> Daniel: Do most of you prefer Mon-Tues?
  221. # [19:00] <fantasai> Daniel: Bert, is there still time to change?
  222. # [19:01] <fantasai> Daniel: Is everyone ok with 2 and 3 of November?
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  224. # [19:01] <fantasai> Daniel: Ok, let's try to change for 2nd and 3rd of November
  225. # [19:01] * dsinger must run
  226. # [19:01] <Zakim> -[Apple]
  227. # [19:02] <fantasai> Steve and Chris want to discuss the IPTV thing
  228. # [19:02] <fantasai> with dsinger
  229. # [19:02] <dsinger> I'm still on IRC
  230. # [19:02] * dsinger but I have another call with a roll-call at 10am sharp
  231. # [19:02] <fantasai> Steve: It seems to be mainly China, Japan, and Korea
  232. # [19:03] * dsinger Steve, Chris, send me email and we can surely talk
  233. # [19:03] <fantasai> will get discussed next week
  234. # [19:03] * dsinger OK
  235. # [19:03] <Zakim> -fantasai
  236. # [19:03] <Zakim> - +00472164aacc
  237. # [19:03] <Zakim> -ChrisL
  238. # [19:03] <fantasai> Meeting closed
  239. # [19:03] <Zakim> -glazou
  240. # [19:03] <Zakim> -plinss
  241. # [19:03] <Zakim> -Cesar
  242. # [19:03] <Zakim> -SteveZ
  243. # [19:03] * dsinger I assume no call next week tho'
  244. # [19:03] <Zakim> -Bert
  245. # [19:03] <Zakim> Style_CSS FP()12:00PM has ended
  246. # [19:03] <glazou> sure
  247. # [19:03] <Zakim> Attendees were glazou, dsinger, plinss, fantasai, SteveZ, Bert, +47.21.65.aaaa, +34.60.940.aabb, Cesar, ChrisL, +00472164aacc
  248. # [19:04] <fantasai> dsinger: no, no call :) just f2f
  249. # [19:04] <glazou> that's enough :)
  250. # [19:04] * dsinger so it will be hard to discuss IPTV with me
  251. # [19:04] * dsinger if I am not there
  252. # [19:04] <cesar_acebal> Zakim, +34.60.940.aabb is Cesar
  253. # [19:04] <Zakim> sorry, cesar_acebal, I do not recognize a party named '+34.60.940.aabb'
  254. # [19:04] <ChrisL> although you could perhaps call in?
  255. # [19:05] * dsinger yes, if the time is not too anti-social for California
  256. # [19:05] <dsinger> I'll try to keep IRC running
  257. # [19:05] * Parts: cesar_acebal (acebal@85.152.176.161)
  258. # [19:05] * dsinger you can also SMS me if you like +1 408 398 3162
  259. # [19:06] <ChrisL> 5-6pm France is 8-9am California, would that slot work for you?
  260. # [19:06] * dsinger if you make it 8:15, then yes (wednesday). I'll dial in early to Zakim. OK?
  261. # [19:08] <ChrisL> rrsagent, make minutes
  262. # [19:08] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/05/27-CSS-minutes.html ChrisL
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