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  1. # Session Start: Wed Jun 24 00:00:00 2009
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  3. # [00:04] <annevk> I suppose I could make an attempt to do that next week before I leave for vacation but I don't have an awful lot of time :/
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  46. # [17:59] <dbaron> I'll be a few minutes late to the telecon
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  49. # [18:00] <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/06/24-CSS-irc
  50. # [18:00] <glazou> Zakim, this will be Style
  51. # [18:00] <Zakim> ok, glazou, I see Style_CSS FP()12:00PM already started
  52. # [18:00] <glazou> welcome oyvinds
  53. # [18:01] <oyvinds> thanks
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  56. # [18:03] <glazou> roligt att se att folk kan ite säga "Øy"
  57. # [18:03] <glazou> s/ite/inte
  58. # [18:03] <glazou> hola cesar_acebal
  59. # [18:03] <glazou> Zakim, who is here?
  60. # [18:03] <Zakim> On the phone I see +95089aaaa
  61. # [18:03] <Zakim> On IRC I see sgalineau, cesar_acebal, RRSAgent, oyvinds, glazou, Lachy, annevk, MikeSmith, shepazu, krijnh, Bert, fantasai, plinss, plinss_, trackbot, Hixie, Zakim
  62. # [18:03] <glazou> Zakim, +95089aaaa is me
  63. # [18:03] <Zakim> +glazou; got it
  64. # [18:03] * Parts: MikeSmith (MikeSmith@mcclure.w3.org) (Tomorrow to fresh woods, and pastures new.)
  65. # [18:03] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  66. # [18:04] <sgalineau> Zakim, [Microsoft] has sylvaing
  67. # [18:04] <Zakim> +sylvaing; got it
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  69. # [18:05] <Zakim> +??P4
  70. # [18:05] <fantasai> Zakim, ??P4 is fantasai
  71. # [18:05] <Zakim> +fantasai; got it
  72. # [18:06] * glazou coughs all the time, please pardon in advance
  73. # [18:08] <Zakim> + +34.60.940.aabb
  74. # [18:10] <cesar_acebal> Zakim, +34.60.940.aabb is CesarAcebal
  75. # [18:10] <Zakim> +CesarAcebal; got it
  76. # [18:12] <fantasai> Zakim, who is here
  77. # [18:12] <Zakim> fantasai, you need to end that query with '?'
  78. # [18:12] <fantasai> Zakim, who is here?
  79. # [18:12] <Zakim> On the phone I see glazou, [Microsoft], fantasai, CesarAcebal
  80. # [18:12] <Zakim> [Microsoft] has sylvaing
  81. # [18:12] <Zakim> On IRC I see arronei, sgalineau, cesar_acebal, RRSAgent, oyvinds, glazou, Lachy, annevk, shepazu, krijnh, Bert, fantasai, plinss, plinss_, trackbot, Hixie, Zakim
  82. # [18:14] <annevk> fantasai, while I'm still here, page-break would become sugar for break, not the other way around
  83. # [18:14] <fantasai> ok
  84. # [18:14] * sgalineau mmmmm...sugar....
  85. # [18:15] <glazou> hi annevk
  86. # [18:18] <sgalineau> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009Jun/0116.html
  87. # [18:18] <fantasai> ScribeNick: fantasai
  88. # [18:18] <fantasai> We do not have enough people for full discussion.
  89. # [18:18] <fantasai> Topic: CSS2.1 Issue 61
  90. # [18:18] <fantasai> http://wiki.csswg.org/spec/css2.1#issue-61
  91. # [18:19] <fantasai> Sylvain: Has to do with defining percentage heights for internal table elements.
  92. # [18:19] <fantasai> Sylvain: Spec says it should compute to 'auto'
  93. # [18:19] <fantasai> Sylvain: but in practice this is not what happens.
  94. # [18:19] <fantasai> Sylvain: Everybody does something different
  95. # [18:19] <fantasai> Sylvain: One thing to do is make it undefined
  96. # [18:20] <fantasai> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009Jun/0116.html
  97. # [18:20] <fantasai> Glazou: browser vendors very unlikely to change things wrt percentage heights anytime soon
  98. # [18:20] <fantasai> Sylvain: They might do it before 2.1, but it would take a long time to develop and agree on an algorithm
  99. # [18:20] <fantasai> Glazou: It's a can of worms, it would take ages to specify everything. We don't have time
  100. # [18:21] <fantasai> Sylvain and glazou would like to define this, but must be pragmatic for CSS2.1
  101. # [18:21] <glazou> oyvinds, annevk : opinion ?
  102. # [18:21] <glazou> can you join the call BTW ?
  103. # [18:22] <fantasai> RESOLVED: proposal accepted for css2.1 issue 61
  104. # [18:22] * sgalineau les absents ont toujours tort
  105. # [18:23] <oyvinds> I defer to my senior colleagues
  106. # [18:23] <glazou> but your senior colleagues are not here
  107. # [18:24] <Zakim> +[Mozilla]
  108. # [18:24] <oyvinds> counting annevk as one in terms of specs experience
  109. # [18:24] <fantasai> glazou summarizes the call so far for dbaron
  110. # [18:25] <fantasai> dbaron agrees with resolution
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  112. # [18:25] * dbaron RRSAgent, pointer?
  113. # [18:25] * RRSAgent See http://www.w3.org/2009/06/24-CSS-irc#T16-20-39
  114. # [18:25] * dbaron RRSAgent, make logs member
  115. # [18:25] * RRSAgent I have made the request, dbaron
  116. # [18:25] * dbaron RRSAgent, make logs public
  117. # [18:25] * RRSAgent I have made the request, dbaron
  118. # [18:26] <dbaron> Zakim, [Mozilla] has dbaron
  119. # [18:26] <Zakim> +dbaron; got it
  120. # [18:26] <fantasai> http://wiki.csswg.org/spec/css2.1#issue-115
  121. # [18:28] <glazou> http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-images/
  122. # [18:29] <sgalineau> Zakim, [Microsoft] has arronei
  123. # [18:29] <Zakim> +arronei; got it
  124. # [18:30] <fantasai> fantasai summarizes what's in the css3-images draft
  125. # [18:31] <fantasai> example of image(): background-image: image(wavy.svg, 'wavy.png' 150dpi, "wavy.gif" or blue);
  126. # [18:32] <fantasai> using 'or' instead of comma for the color b/c draft currently allows unquoted URLs (that don't contain problematic chars)
  127. # [18:33] <fantasai> Sprites section unwritten
  128. # [18:33] <fantasai> link to discussions
  129. # [18:33] <fantasai> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009Jan/0284.html
  130. # [18:36] <fantasai> Resolution units --
  131. # [18:37] <fantasai> introduce dppx
  132. # [18:39] <fantasai> ACTION fantasai: add example showing what happens with background-color and image(.. or blue)
  133. # [18:39] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  134. # [18:39] * RRSAgent records action 1
  135. # [18:39] <trackbot> Created ACTION-159 - Add example showing what happens with background-color and image(.. or blue) [on Elika Etemad - due 2009-07-01].
  136. # [18:40] <fantasai> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Jun/0002.html explains why media fragments wg's work is important to css (very good explanation)
  137. # [18:41] <fantasai> glazou: sprite proposal from Jorrit is something in between constants and variables and images
  138. # [18:41] <fantasai> glazou: if we come up with a good solution for this section, the media fragment wg's work will be less critical
  139. # [18:42] <fantasai> fantasai: dppx allows us to give 1dppx as default value for image-resolution property, leaving 'auto' to be used for 'do the right thing and use the image's resolution'
  140. # [18:42] <fantasai> glazou: publish as FPWD?
  141. # [18:42] <fantasai> dbaron: Would like Daniel's suggested example of fallback color with bgcolor
  142. # [18:42] <dbaron> (1) Daniel's comment about fallback color interacting with 'background-color'
  143. # [18:42] <dbaron> (2) having a bit of an introduction to the "Image Sprites" section
  144. # [18:43] <dbaron> to explain how it's different from slices
  145. # [18:43] <fantasai> ACTION fantasai: add intro to sprites section
  146. # [18:43] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  147. # [18:43] * RRSAgent records action 2
  148. # [18:43] <trackbot> Created ACTION-160 - Add intro to sprites section [on Elika Etemad - due 2009-07-01].
  149. # [18:44] <fantasai> dbaron: for issues in transitions, I still have more comments
  150. # [18:44] <fantasai> dbaron: I'm generally picking whatever is easiest for me as an implementor, worry about matching the spec later
  151. # [18:44] <glazou> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009Jun/0055.html
  152. # [18:44] <fantasai> dbaron: when there's someone to discuss the spec with
  153. # [18:45] <fantasai> dbaron: There are a whole bunch of archived comments once ss3-lists more substantive than that
  154. # [18:45] <fantasai> dbaron: when we have an editor, the editor should go through www-style and find them all
  155. # [18:46] <fantasai> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009Jun/0115.html ?
  156. # [18:46] <fantasai> need hyatt's feedback, too. He said he'd look at css3-background changes and issues this week
  157. # [18:47] <Zakim> -[Mozilla]
  158. # [18:47] <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
  159. # [18:47] <fantasai> nothing else we can discuss today
  160. # [18:47] <Zakim> -glazou
  161. # [18:47] <fantasai> meeting closed
  162. # [18:47] <Zakim> -CesarAcebal
  163. # [18:47] <glazou> I am really worried, I hope Peter is not in too bad shape
  164. # [18:49] <cesar_acebal> Daniel, I'm not sure to have understood well: is Bert who is very sick?
  165. # [18:53] <fantasai> no, Bert is on vacation
  166. # [18:55] <cesar_acebal> Oh, thank you, Elika. I had written two emails about the Template Layout Module and he hadn't answered. I was a bit worried, that's all.
  167. # [18:55] <cesar_acebal> By the way, do you know when he comes back?
  168. # [19:03] <glazou> end of the month
  169. # [19:03] <glazou> he's always away in june, back to the Netherlands in general
  170. # [19:04] <cesar_acebal> Ok, thank you, Daniel. I was planning to do a brief research stay at ERCIM to work with Bert on the Template Layout (and on my Ph. D. thesis about it) and I needed an acceptance letter, but I suppose I cant wait a few days. Thank you!
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  172. # [19:09] <glazou> np
  173. # [19:09] * glazou goes for dinner, bye
  174. # [19:09] <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, fantasai, in Style_CSS FP()12:00PM
  175. # [19:09] <Zakim> Style_CSS FP()12:00PM has ended
  176. # [19:09] <Zakim> Attendees were glazou, sylvaing, fantasai, CesarAcebal, dbaron, arronei
  177. # [19:09] <cesar_acebal> Bye.
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