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  41. # [17:45] * bradk hopes 'in transit' != 'driving'. Driving while IRCing does not seem healthy.
  42. # [17:46] * Xanthir is now known as TabAtkins
  43. # [17:46] <TabAtkins> When should I try to call in?
  44. # [17:50] <Bert> Hi Tab, we'll start in 15 minutes.
  45. # [17:51] <Bert> You have all the numbers and codes you need? (I think the agenda has everything you need.)
  46. # [17:52] <TabAtkins> There are codes involved? I have the number.
  47. # [17:53] <Bert> After you dial, a recorded voice will ask you for the conferennce code.
  48. # [17:53] <TabAtkins> oh, i see it in the email.
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  52. # [17:57] <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/08/26-CSS-irc
  53. # [17:57] <plinss> zakim, this will be style
  54. # [17:57] <Zakim> ok, plinss; I see Style_CSS FP()12:00PM scheduled to start in 8 minutes
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  56. # [18:01] <Zakim> Style_CSS FP()12:00PM has now started
  57. # [18:01] <Zakim> +plinss
  58. # [18:02] <Zakim> +dsinger
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  60. # [18:03] <dsinger_> Zakim, who is here?
  61. # [18:03] <Zakim> On the phone I see plinss, dsinger
  62. # [18:03] <Zakim> On IRC I see dsinger_, plh, RRSAgent, Zakim, annevk, bradk, MoZ, myakura, Lachy, anne, dsinger, TabAtkins, karl, shepazu, plinss, krijnh, Hixie, fantasai, Bert, trackbot
  63. # [18:03] <Zakim> + +1.281.305.aaaa
  64. # [18:04] <dsinger_> Zakim, mute dsinger
  65. # [18:04] <Zakim> dsinger should now be muted
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  67. # [18:04] <plinss> zakim, +1.281.305 is TabAtkins
  68. # [18:04] <Zakim> +TabAtkins; got it
  69. # [18:04] <Zakim> +bradk
  70. # [18:04] * dsinger_ morning all!
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  72. # [18:05] <bradk> Hi Tab. Welcome to the group.
  73. # [18:06] <TabAtkins> Yo, bradk
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  75. # [18:06] <Zakim> +Bert
  76. # [18:06] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  77. # [18:07] <Zakim> +fantasai
  78. # [18:07] * dsinger_ wow, that was noisy
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  82. # [18:09] <sylvaing> Zakim, [Microsoft] has sylvaing
  83. # [18:09] <Zakim> +sylvaing; got it
  84. # [18:09] * dsinger_ wow a nick that is (null)
  85. # [18:11] <dsinger_> Zakim, who is making noise?
  86. # [18:11] <Zakim> dsinger_, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: TabAtkins (52%)
  87. # [18:12] <bradk> That's a cool Zakim feature.
  88. # [18:14] * dsinger_ sorry I cannot on an iPhone keyboard
  89. # [18:14] * sylvaing shall volunteer
  90. # [18:15] * sylvaing wonders if anything can be added to the gradient thread...
  91. # [18:16] <sylvaing> plinss: Hyatt not here, skipping gradient
  92. # [18:16] <sylvaing> plinss: same for box shadow without David Baron or Chris Lilley
  93. # [18:16] <plinss> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009Jun/0115.html
  94. # [18:17] <sylvaing> brad: I uploaded a page re: border-radius clipping for replaced elements
  95. # [18:17] <sylvaing> http://www.bradclicks.com/cssplay/curved-corner-image.html
  96. # [18:17] <sylvaing> fantasai: I updated the spec to make replaced elements clipped to the curve
  97. # [18:18] <sylvaing> fantasai: there is no use case for replaced element to clip outside their content box either
  98. # [18:18] <Zakim> + +2165aabb
  99. # [18:18] <sylvaing> brad: I agree with fantasai's proposal
  100. # [18:20] <sylvaing> arronei is in agreement for replaced elements
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  102. # [18:20] <sylvaing> RESOLVED: replaced elements clip to the border-radius curve
  103. # [18:20] * sylvaing is having a hard time hearing elika right
  104. # [18:21] <sylvaing> RESOLVED: Tab Atkins co-editor of CSS3 Images
  105. # [18:21] <plinss> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009Aug/0120.html
  106. # [18:22] <plinss> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009Aug/0427.html
  107. # [18:22] <sylvaing> issue 128: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009Jul/0025.html
  108. # [18:23] * Joins: szilles (chatzilla@71.202.66.40)
  109. # [18:23] <sylvaing> proposal: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009Aug/0427.html
  110. # [18:23] <sylvaing> fantasai: tab's point that run-ins should run into each other is good
  111. # [18:23] <sylvaing> bert: this is currently defined and runs counter to the current prose...
  112. # [18:23] <sylvaing> bert: I am ok to change it but be aware that this is a change
  113. # [18:24] <sylvaing> bradk: any downside ?
  114. # [18:24] <sylvaing> bert: none aside from being different from what implementations do....
  115. # [18:24] <sylvaing> tab: I haven't come up with a case where I wouldn't want this to happen
  116. # [18:25] <Zakim> +[Apple]
  117. # [18:25] <Zakim> -dsinger
  118. # [18:25] <dsinger> zakim [apple] has dsinger
  119. # [18:25] <dsinger> zakim, [apple] has dsinger
  120. # [18:25] <Zakim> +dsinger; got it
  121. # [18:25] <Bert> <h2>first</> <!-- no content yet --> <h2>Second</> <p>text...
  122. # [18:26] <sylvaing> plinss: if I have the run-in header-paragraph pattern and one of my sections has no paragraph I may still want the header with no content to not run into the next section
  123. # [18:28] <Bert> Counter example, where run-in into run-in makes sense: <dt>Term 1 <dt>Term 2 <dd>Defintion.
  124. # [18:29] <sylvaing> bradk: could you do :before {content:"\n";}
  125. # [18:29] <sylvaing> bert: yes, if you know what to select
  126. # [18:30] <Bert> h2 + h2:before {content: "\A"} makes the double run-in look a little less like a run-in....
  127. # [18:30] <Zakim> +SteveZ
  128. # [18:30] <anne> Bert, if you have two definitions that would look weird though, methinks
  129. # [18:30] * anne thinks run-in is a bit weird anyway
  130. # [18:32] * sylvaing gradient run-ins ? anyone ?
  131. # [18:32] <Zakim> -fantasai
  132. # [18:32] * sylvaing is totally unable to scribe this
  133. # [18:32] <Zakim> +fantasai
  134. # [18:33] * Bert so often runs into the problem that dt/ddd is missing a wrapping <di> element. :-(
  135. # [18:33] <sylvaing> szilles and tab discuss bert's dt/dd example
  136. # [18:33] <sylvaing> tab: an alternative is to use floats which cause a number of other problems
  137. # [18:33] * TabAtkins ::di, obviously
  138. # [18:34] <sylvaing> howcome: I don't think the benefit of this is worth breaking interoperability with existing implementations
  139. # [18:34] <sylvaing> tab: the cases we talk about here may be addressed with other solutions
  140. # [18:35] <sylvaing> fantasai: another solution is to add another display type
  141. # [18:35] <sylvaing> howcome: run-run-in ?
  142. # [18:35] * anne Bert I tried getting it into HTML5 but so far without luck
  143. # [18:35] * Bert : no, ::di doesn't work, because I want to distinguish <di><dt>term w/o defn</di> from <di<dt>term1<dt>term 2<dd>defn</di>
  144. # [18:35] * TabAtkins empty <dd>?
  145. # [18:35] * TabAtkins supposes that might not be right.
  146. # [18:35] * anne Bert, not having a <dd> is non-conforming
  147. # [18:37] <Zakim> -fantasai
  148. # [18:37] <Zakim> -plinss
  149. # [18:37] * dsinger we're adjourned?
  150. # [18:37] <Zakim> -SteveZ
  151. # [18:37] <Zakim> -TabAtkins
  152. # [18:37] * dsinger bye!
  153. # [18:37] <Zakim> -[Apple]
  154. # [18:37] <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
  155. # [18:37] <Zakim> -bradk
  156. # [18:37] <plinss> adjourned, didn't get critical mass to address most of the agenda topics
  157. # [18:37] <Zakim> -Bert
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  159. # [18:40] <Zakim> - +2165aabb
  160. # [18:40] <Zakim> Style_CSS FP()12:00PM has ended
  161. # [18:40] <Zakim> Attendees were plinss, dsinger, +1.281.305.aaaa, TabAtkins, bradk, Bert, fantasai, sylvaing, +2165aabb, SteveZ
  162. # [18:41] <Zakim> Style_CSS FP()12:00PM has now started
  163. # [18:41] <Zakim> +Hakon_Lie
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  165. # [18:41] <Zakim> -Hakon_Lie
  166. # [18:41] <Zakim> Style_CSS FP()12:00PM has ended
  167. # [18:41] <Zakim> Attendees were Hakon_Lie
  168. # [18:44] <anne> if people could quickly review the MQ changes that'd be cool
  169. # [18:44] <anne> Bert, is anything else needed for republication of a CR when there's WG approval?
  170. # [18:44] <anne> Bert, can we maybe publish CSS 2.1 again as well so it has the media_list production?
  171. # [18:45] <Bert> Nothing special is needed, just a corretc document and a date from the webmaster.
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  173. # [18:46] <Bert> If we want to re-publish CSS 2.1, we can do that , too.
  174. # [18:47] <Bert> (as long as we make only editorial changes, but that is indeed the case here.)
  175. # [18:48] <anne> i guess we have to wait another week to decide on publishing CSS 2.1?
  176. # [18:49] <Bert> Yes,we need a recorded WG decision.
  177. # [18:50] <anne> ok, lets wait for that then
  178. # [18:50] <anne> that gives people some time to study my email too, if anyone does
  179. # [18:50] * Bert goes looking for Anne's message... :-)
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  185. # [19:49] <fantasai> TabAtkins: have you used CVS before?
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  190. # [20:36] <annevk> fantasai, tx btw for pointing out media_list
  191. # [20:36] <fantasai> np
  192. # [21:13] <TabAtkins> fantasai: Not CVS, but I use SVN daily.
  193. # [21:24] <fantasai> TabAtkins: cool, let's set you up with a CVS account for dev.w3.org then
  194. # [21:24] <fantasai> TabAtkins: so you can edit the css3-images editor's draft
  195. # [21:25] <TabAtkins> kk
  196. # [21:25] <fantasai> TabAtkins: I'm not prepared to trust Brad with spec wording, at least not yet
  197. # [21:26] <TabAtkins> But you're prepared to trust me?
  198. # [21:26] <fantasai> TabAtkins: but you seem to have a better grasp of that aspect of spec-writing
  199. # [21:26] <fantasai> TabAtkins: yes
  200. # [21:26] <TabAtkins> kk
  201. # [21:26] <fantasai> Brad's really good at concepts :) but I have yet to see spec text that I'd use in any of his postings
  202. # [21:30] <fantasai> Writing a spec takes both feature-design skills and spec-wording skills. My impression so far is that Brad's strength is more the former, and yours is more the latter.
  203. # [21:33] <TabAtkins> I do like my technical writing.
  204. # [21:33] <TabAtkins> Now Brad and I need to ccombine Voltron-style.
  205. # [21:34] <fantasai> heh
  206. # [21:35] <fantasai> I think just having both of you in the group will have that effect :)
  207. # [21:35] <fantasai> plus double the amount of available time ;)
  208. # [21:59] <TabAtkins> fantasia: So, hooking me up. What does this require? Is there a recommended CVS client?
  209. # [22:00] <TabAtkins> Dammit, fantasai, rather.
  210. # [22:01] <fantasai> It requires emailing Bert, afaik, so I'll do that now...
  211. # [22:01] <fantasai> and you'll need to send him your public ssh key
  212. # [22:01] <fantasai> do you have one?
  213. # [22:01] <TabAtkins> No.
  214. # [22:01] <fantasai> ok, well, I'll email him and he probably has an explanation of that he can send you
  215. # [22:02] <TabAtkins> kk
  216. # [22:11] <MikeSmith> TabAtkins: it just needs to be an SSH2 key, either RSA or DSA
  217. # [22:11] <Bert> TabAtkins, here is some documentation to start with: http://www.w3.org/Project/CVSdoc/
  218. # [22:12] * MikeSmith didn't realize Bert was actually around and will shut up now
  219. # [22:12] <Bert> I'm watching TV, but my IRC client shows purple when my name is mentioned :-)
  220. # [22:13] <fantasai> https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Using_SSH_to_connect_to_CVS has some instructions, too
  221. # [22:13] <TabAtkins> so, just a quick ssh-keygen?
  222. # [22:14] <Bert> Indeed
  223. # [22:15] <TabAtkins> Bert: http://www.xanthir.com/sshkey.pub
  224. # [22:16] <Bert> Got it.
  225. # [22:16] <TabAtkins> And I got three backups of both keys now, just in case.
  226. # [22:20] <Bert> The request is in the queue. It may take up to a week, depending on the workload of our system admins, but usually it only takes two days.
  227. # [22:20] <TabAtkins> kk
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