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  21. # [17:43] <glazou> Zakim, this will be Style
  22. # [17:43] <Zakim> ok, glazou; I see Style_CSS FP()12:00PM scheduled to start in 17 minutes
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  25. # [17:56] <glazou> Zakim, code?
  26. # [17:56] <Zakim> the conference code is 78953 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), glazou
  27. # [17:57] <Zakim> Style_CSS FP()12:00PM has now started
  28. # [17:57] <Zakim> +glazou
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  30. # [17:58] <plinss> zakim, +1.858 is me
  31. # [17:58] <Zakim> +plinss; got it
  32. # [17:58] * bradk has bad phone quality issues again today... sigh
  33. # [17:58] <Zakim> + +1.650.766.aabb
  34. # [17:58] <glazou> bradk: when I click on my MBP mouse, I hear sound in my VoIP :-)
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  37. # [18:00] <bradk> I just tried to say Hello. Waqs not understood. Then the connection died. Going to be one of those days.
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  41. # [18:01] <plinss> zakim, +1.650 is bradk
  42. # [18:01] <Zakim> +bradk; got it
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  45. # [18:02] <dbaron> Zakim, mute [Mozilla]
  46. # [18:02] <Zakim> [Mozilla] should now be muted
  47. # [18:02] <Zakim> +Bert
  48. # [18:02] <CesarAcebal> I've just dialed in. I'm not sure which is my number. ;)
  49. # [18:02] <dbaron> Zakim, who is on the phone?
  50. # [18:02] <Zakim> On the phone I see glazou, plinss, bradk, TabAtkins, +49.238.aadd, [Mozilla] (muted), Bert
  51. # [18:02] <dbaron> Zakim, [Mozilla] has David_Baron
  52. # [18:02] <Zakim> +David_Baron; got it
  53. # [18:03] <glazou> Zakim, aadd is CesarAcebal
  54. # [18:03] <Zakim> +CesarAcebal; got it
  55. # [18:04] <bradk> \me needs coffee
  56. # [18:04] <dbaron> let me try another calling system...
  57. # [18:04] <Zakim> -[Mozilla]
  58. # [18:04] <bradk> \me
  59. # [18:05] <Zakim> +??P6
  60. # [18:05] * bradk needs coffee. See?
  61. # [18:05] <TabAtkins> Linux /me conventions, Brad, not Windows.
  62. # [18:06] * bradk uses Mac. No convention.
  63. # [18:06] <Zakim> + +1.650.924.aaee
  64. # [18:06] <dbaron> Zakim, mute aaee
  65. # [18:06] <Zakim> +1.650.924.aaee should now be muted
  66. # [18:06] <dbaron> Zakim, aaee is David_Baron
  67. # [18:06] <Zakim> +David_Baron; got it
  68. # [18:06] <dbaron> did you hear noise when I joined?
  69. # [18:06] <TabAtkins> No.
  70. # [18:06] <Bert> Apart from the normal Zakim beep?
  71. # [18:07] <dbaron> could you hear me talking?
  72. # [18:07] <dbaron> er, I'm muted!
  73. # [18:07] <glazou> no
  74. # [18:07] <Bert> No, no talking.
  75. # [18:07] <dbaron> Zakim, unmute Baron
  76. # [18:07] <Zakim> sorry, dbaron, I do not know which phone connection belongs to Baron
  77. # [18:07] <Bert> But somebody is typing...
  78. # [18:07] <dbaron> Zakim, unmute David_Baron
  79. # [18:07] <Zakim> David_Baron should no longer be muted
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  81. # [18:07] <Zakim> -bradk
  82. # [18:07] <bradk> Doh!
  83. # [18:08] <dbaron> Zakim, mute David_Baron
  84. # [18:08] <Zakim> David_Baron should now be muted
  85. # [18:08] <Zakim> +bradk
  86. # [18:08] <glazou> Peter, let's start ?
  87. # [18:08] <fantasai> ScribeNick: fantasai
  88. # [18:09] <fantasai> Peter: Anything to add to agenda?
  89. # [18:09] <Zakim> +SteveZ
  90. # [18:09] <Bert> http://www.w3.org/mid/A56057A4896BEC4BA13EE4C45CEB4FED2B7F7D19E6@GVW0538EXC.americas.hpqcorp.net
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  92. # [18:10] <fantasai> Topic: TPAC
  93. # [18:10] <fantasai> Peter: We have a wiki page for proposed topics, please add topics
  94. # [18:10] <glazou> TPAC wiki page http://wiki.csswg.org/planning/tpac-2009
  95. # [18:10] <fantasai> Peter: There's a question of what we need for facilities
  96. # [18:10] * dbaron hopes the parking at the meeting hotel is free
  97. # [18:11] <fantasai> Bert: Only need to know whether we need a phone or a flip chart
  98. # [18:11] <fantasai> Steve: Is there a whiteboard? We need something to write on
  99. # [18:11] <fantasai> glazou reads out equip list: just chairs for members, network, and LCD projector
  100. # [18:12] <fantasai> Steve: So we need a flip chart
  101. # [18:12] <fantasai> glazou: Do we need a phone?
  102. # [18:12] <fantasai> Steve: Ask by email?
  103. # [18:12] * dbaron could hear Tab just fine
  104. # [18:13] <fantasai> Tab: I would like to call in, as I can't make it in person
  105. # [18:13] * Bert thinks it's not the French voices, but the American ones that are problematic :-)
  106. # [18:13] * TabAtkins you would think that.
  107. # [18:13] * glazou Bert LOL
  108. # [18:14] <fantasai> ACTION Daniel to ask how many members will need to call in
  109. # [18:14] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  110. # [18:14] <trackbot> Created ACTION-177 - Ask how many members will need to call in [on Daniel Glazman - due 2009-09-30].
  111. # [18:14] <fantasai> Daniel: Was thinking of arranging a meeting of present and former CSSWG members for dinner on Sunday
  112. # [18:14] <fantasai> Bert, Steve in favor
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  114. # [18:15] <fantasai> Daniel: So Sunday 7pm before TPAC in lobby of hotel
  115. # [18:15] <Zakim> -bradk
  116. # [18:15] <Zakim> +mauro
  117. # [18:15] <dbaron> arrivals to SFO from Europe are unlikely to get in that late unless you have to change on the east coast
  118. # [18:15] <Zakim> +bradk
  119. # [18:15] <fantasai> Bert might not be there quite yet
  120. # [18:15] <fantasai> Peter: Any other items for TPAC?
  121. # [18:16] <fantasai> <silence>
  122. # [18:16] <dbaron> of course, if you're going to SJC, you probably have to change somewhere...
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  124. # [18:16] <fantasai> Steve: Does anyone have plans for dinner on Monday night?
  125. # [18:16] <fantasai> Steve: We can do that on the fly at the meeting
  126. # [18:16] <dbaron> hopefully we'll have enough cars to transport people
  127. # [18:17] <fantasai> Topic: CSS2.1 Test Suite Deadlines
  128. # [18:17] <dbaron> Zakim, unmute David_Baron
  129. # [18:17] <Zakim> David_Baron should no longer be muted
  130. # [18:17] <Bert> I won't have a car. (Plan to stay at conference hotel.)
  131. # [18:17] <fantasai> Peter: dbaron sent out an email about this
  132. # [18:17] * plinss should have a car (if HP will let me come...)
  133. # [18:17] <plinss> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-css-wg/2009JulSep/0101.html
  134. # [18:17] * glazou plinss, Bert, I just request for flip chart + polycom
  135. # [18:17] <fantasai> dbaron: Back in June we agreed the deadline for submission of css2.1 tests would be last week
  136. # [18:17] <fantasai> dbaron: I did submit a whole bunch of tests
  137. # [18:17] * glazou s/request/made request
  138. # [18:17] <fantasai> dbaron: But it seems the deadline should be at a point after we have a list of what we have
  139. # [18:18] <fantasai> dbaron: Certainly getting a list of all the tests we have blocks getting reviews
  140. # [18:18] <fantasai> dbaron: for which we have another deadline in 3 months
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  142. # [18:19] <dbaron> Zakim, mute David_Baron
  143. # [18:19] <Zakim> David_Baron should now be muted
  144. # [18:19] <fantasai> Peter: Do we have more tests to submit, or are we just waiting to plug in the holes?
  145. # [18:19] <dbaron> Zakim, unmute David_Baron
  146. # [18:19] <Zakim> David_Baron should no longer be muted
  147. # [18:19] <fantasai> fantasai: We also have e.g. bz, who wants to submit tests for issues we haven't resolved yet
  148. # [18:19] <dbaron> Zakim, mute David_Baron
  149. # [18:19] <Zakim> David_Baron should now be muted
  150. # [18:20] <fantasai> dbaron: We also have contributors who would want to submit tests, but want to know what tests we don't have yet so they can write those
  151. # [18:20] <fantasai> Peter: Sounds like the primary issue here is getting a single list of what tests we have and what tests we need.
  152. # [18:20] <dbaron> yep
  153. # [18:20] <fantasai> Peter: How do we do that?
  154. # [18:20] <fantasai> Steve: Does it make sense to have part of our F2F be a review of test coverage?
  155. # [18:21] <dbaron> fantasai: no
  156. # [18:21] <dbaron> fantasai: On Monday, Arron and I did some organization of the test suite repository.
  157. # [18:21] <dbaron> fantasai: Next step is to check in all the tests that have been submitted.
  158. # [18:21] <dbaron> fantasai: Then we need to index them.
  159. # [18:22] <dbaron> fantasai: We have a script that indexes tests, but it currently does it incorrectly.
  160. # [18:22] <dbaron> fantasai: Also need to check that the submitted tests have the relevant metadata.
  161. # [18:22] <dbaron> fantasai: We may have this done by TPAC, maybe not. Hope to have it done at least by December.
  162. # [18:22] <dbaron> glazou: How many tests do we have now?
  163. # [18:22] <dbaron> Zakim, unmute David_Baron
  164. # [18:22] <Zakim> David_Baron should no longer be muted
  165. # [18:22] <glazou> find . type f | wc
  166. # [18:23] <glazou> find . -type f | wc
  167. # [18:23] <dbaron> Zakim, mute David_Baron
  168. # [18:23] <Zakim> David_Baron should now be muted
  169. # [18:23] <dbaron> or really: find . type f | wc -l
  170. # [18:23] <dbaron> fantasai: I'm getting 16,000 files.
  171. # [18:23] <glazou> find . -type f | grep -v svn | wc
  172. # [18:24] <dbaron> ?: You're getting a lot of files in ".svn" directories
  173. # [18:24] * dbaron wonders if ? was bradk
  174. # [18:24] * TabAtkins ? was me
  175. # [18:24] <dbaron> s/?:/TabAtkins:/
  176. # [18:24] <fantasai> ~8000 tests
  177. # [18:24] <dbaron> fantasai: 8000 tests
  178. # [18:24] <dbaron> fantasai: And I haven't even put in a lot of the tests submitted over the past 6 months.
  179. # [18:24] <dbaron> fantasai: So probably close to 10,000.
  180. # [18:25] <dbaron> glazou: We need to release CSS 2.1 as REC in the charter timeline, and the number of test reviews we have on the radar is scary.
  181. # [18:25] <dbaron> fantasai: We should at least have all the tests needing review in one place by TPAC.
  182. # [18:26] <dbaron> fantasai: I'll try to get a coverage report by TPAC.
  183. # [18:26] <dbaron> fantasai: At that point, we'll at least be able to see where we don't have much coverage.
  184. # [18:26] <dbaron> fantasai: The one thing there is that Hixie's tests haven't been checked in yet, and they don't have the metadata.
  185. # [18:27] <dbaron> fantasai: Arron has reviewed Hixie's tests and made a list of what metadata they should have.
  186. # [18:27] <dbaron> fantasai: If Arron could work on that we'd have a much more realistic summary.
  187. # [18:27] <dbaron> fantasai: Actually, they might have the metadata. I don't remember.
  188. # [18:27] <dbaron> peterl: Sounds like by TPAC timeframe, we'll have a better handle on where we are.
  189. # [18:28] <dbaron> peterl: Do we want to shift the deadline for contributions to...?
  190. # [18:28] <dbaron> Zakim, unmute David_Baron
  191. # [18:28] <Zakim> David_Baron should no longer be muted
  192. # [18:28] <Zakim> -bradk
  193. # [18:29] <Zakim> +bradk
  194. # [18:29] <fantasai> fantasai: What does the deadline mean?
  195. # [18:29] <fantasai> dbaron: It means either we won't accept them until after implementation reports, or we're branching the test suite
  196. # [18:29] <fantasai> dbaron: That's what I think it should mean anyway
  197. # [18:29] <dbaron> Zakim, mute David_Baron
  198. # [18:29] <Zakim> David_Baron should now be muted
  199. # [18:29] <glazou> Zakim, who is on the phone?
  200. # [18:29] <Zakim> On the phone I see glazou, plinss, TabAtkins, CesarAcebal, Bert, ??P6, David_Baron (muted), SteveZ, mauro, bradk
  201. # [18:29] <dbaron> Zakim, unmute David_Baron
  202. # [18:29] <Zakim> David_Baron should no longer be muted
  203. # [18:30] <fantasai> fantasai: After we do any implementation reports, or after we do the implementation reports that pass
  204. # [18:30] <fantasai> dbaron: after CSS2.1 reaches PR
  205. # [18:31] <fantasai> Peter: When do we want the deadline?
  206. # [18:31] <fantasai> fantasai suggests February
  207. # [18:31] <fantasai> Peter: That seems kinda late
  208. # [18:31] <dbaron> Zakim, mute David_Baron
  209. # [18:31] <Zakim> David_Baron should now be muted
  210. # [18:31] <fantasai> Peter: We need to be producing implemenetation reports by early spring
  211. # [18:31] <dbaron> Zakim, unmute David_Baron
  212. # [18:31] <Zakim> David_Baron should no longer be muted
  213. # [18:32] <fantasai> Peter: end of year?
  214. # [18:32] <fantasai> fantasai: Jan 15, so people have time to get back from the holidays
  215. # [18:32] <dbaron> Zakim, mute David_Baron
  216. # [18:32] <Zakim> David_Baron should now be muted
  217. # [18:32] <fantasai> RESOLVED: New deadline Jan 15th for test contributions to CR->PR set of tests (later contributions accepted for interop tests)
  218. # [18:32] <dbaron> Peter: so March 15 for reviews?
  219. # [18:33] <fantasai> Peter: Anything else on this topic?
  220. # [18:34] <fantasai> Bert: what do we do with the snapshots on the test page
  221. # [18:34] <fantasai> ?
  222. # [18:34] <glazou> uuuuurgh, 10,000 tests and 173 days that's ~58 tests reviewed per day, 7 days per week
  223. # [18:35] <Zakim> -bradk
  224. # [18:35] <dbaron> Zakim, unmute David_Baron
  225. # [18:35] <Zakim> David_Baron should no longer be muted
  226. # [18:35] <fantasai> dbaron: We don't need to necessarily hold very strict review standards
  227. # [18:36] <Zakim> +bradk
  228. # [18:36] <fantasai> dbaron: In some cases, checking that they pass in a browser they should pass in and fail in a browser they should fail in is sufficient
  229. # [18:36] <fantasai> glazou: For simple tests, yes, but when you're dealing with e.g. margin collapsing
  230. # [18:37] <fantasai> dbaron: fwiw I started reviewing some of the tests I was actioned to review
  231. # [18:37] <fantasai> dbaron: and one of my comments was that these 500 tests should be collapsed into one
  232. # [18:37] <fantasai> dbaron: There are some cases where there are more tests than necessary
  233. # [18:37] <fantasai> glazou: I'm really afraid that this test suite is going to be the gordion knot of our spec
  234. # [18:37] <fantasai> glazou: I don't want it to be a blocking factor.
  235. # [18:37] <fantasai> glazou: I'm scared
  236. # [18:38] <dbaron> Zakim, unmute David_Baron
  237. # [18:38] <Zakim> David_Baron was not muted, dbaron
  238. # [18:38] <fantasai> Steve: Does that suggest we put the test suite up and ask the browser vendors to run it and come back with the tests that they doubt
  239. # [18:38] <fantasai> ?
  240. # [18:38] <fantasai> dbaron: That's one of the ways we've dealt with other test suites in the past
  241. # [18:38] <dbaron> Zakim, mute David_Baron
  242. # [18:38] <Zakim> David_Baron should now be muted
  243. # [18:39] <fantasai> peter: That's not a bad approach in general. Assume they're good, and if there's a statistically-high number of complaints
  244. # [18:39] <fantasai> peter: then look into that
  245. # [18:40] <fantasai> fantasai: I think that's fine, but also if there are some tests that have been manually reviewed we should keep track of that
  246. # [18:40] <fantasai> fantasai: That's valuable work, and we should be tracking it
  247. # [18:40] <fantasai> Peter: Agreed
  248. # [18:40] * glazou that's also 2.4 tests per hour, 7/24 :-)
  249. # [18:41] <bradk> Are there some tests that can be processed automatically, e.g. by detecting the color red?
  250. # [18:41] <fantasai> glazou: That suggests we have to cancel our general review of all tests
  251. # [18:41] <dbaron> Zakim, unmute David_Baron
  252. # [18:41] <Zakim> David_Baron should no longer be muted
  253. # [18:42] <fantasai> fantasai: That depends on the contributor. For some contributors, I would not accept their tests unless manually-reviewed
  254. # [18:42] <dbaron> Zakim, mute David_Baron
  255. # [18:42] <Zakim> David_Baron should now be muted
  256. # [18:42] <fantasai> dbaron: Also, even though we aren't going to require manual review, we should still encourage them to review them
  257. # [18:43] <fantasai> Steve: If we're doing this then we should also have a deadline by which everyone should have run the tests
  258. # [18:43] <fantasai> Steve: Running them by March 14th won't get us feedback
  259. # [18:44] <fantasai> Peter: We should expect them to be run as soon as we've closed off the tests for contributions
  260. # [18:44] <fantasai> Glazou: So we should have a Feb 15th deadline for the first run
  261. # [18:44] <fantasai> Glazou: and then we have a chance to fix the tests and run them again by March 15
  262. # [18:44] <dbaron> Zakim, mute David_Baron
  263. # [18:44] <Zakim> David_Baron was already muted, dbaron
  264. # [18:44] <fantasai> Peter: We'll need multiple iterations
  265. # [18:44] <bradk> crowd-sourcing some tests?
  266. # [18:46] <fantasai> Peter: we have a framework for running the tests, right?
  267. # [18:46] <fantasai> fantasai: We have it, but it's still set up as a prototype
  268. # [18:46] <fantasai> fantasai: We'll have to set it up again after the Jan 15th deadline
  269. # [18:46] <fantasai> fantasai: I don't know how to set it up
  270. # [18:46] <fantasai> fantasai: We have to pass it data from the test suite indexing scripts
  271. # [18:46] <fantasai> fantasai: Dom might know how to set it up
  272. # [18:47] <fantasai> fantasai: We can also use it to report which tests have problems
  273. # [18:49] <fantasai> fantasai: There are two things that need to work before we can use the harness
  274. # [18:49] <fantasai> fanatasai: The harness scripts themselves, and also the indexing scripts, which feed data to the harness
  275. # [18:50] <fantasai> fantasai: If these are working by Jan 15th, it might take maybe a week to get things set up
  276. # [18:50] <fantasai> fantasai: if not, then I don't know
  277. # [18:50] <fantasai> Topic: image-fit and image-position
  278. # [18:50] <fantasai> howcome: We'd like to use it for other things like video
  279. # [18:51] <fantasai> howcome: We have a tentative resolution to combine them into a 'fit' property
  280. # [18:51] <fantasai> howcome: But I don't like that solution
  281. # [18:51] <plinss> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009Sep/0188.html
  282. # [18:51] <fantasai> howcome: I liked the suggestion of content-fit and content-position
  283. # [18:51] <fantasai> howcome: They plan to use it for the whole SVG canvas
  284. # [18:52] <fantasai> Tab: I'm fine with content-fit and content-position, and I think they should be separate properties
  285. # [18:52] <fantasai> Tab: The only problem is that it looks like a sub-property of 'content'
  286. # [18:52] <dbaron> Zakim, unmute David_Baron
  287. # [18:52] <Zakim> David_Baron should no longer be muted
  288. # [18:53] <fantasai> fantasai: I think content-fit is more confusing, because I could think it applies to text content
  289. # [18:53] <dbaron> Zakim, mute David_Baron
  290. # [18:53] <Zakim> David_Baron should now be muted
  291. # [18:53] <fantasai> dbaron: I think a property that applies to image can apply to other image-like things such as video
  292. # [18:53] <fantasai> Steve: if you said picture, then I'd go with it
  293. # [18:53] <fantasai> Steve: they're all pictures
  294. # [18:54] <fantasai> Bert: Picture is not a bad name if we can go with that
  295. # [18:54] <fantasai> howcome: if picture and image are the same, we should go with image since that's what we use on the web
  296. # [18:55] <fantasai> Tab: If 'content' can create a replaced element when given a url, then it might make sense
  297. # [18:55] <fantasai> Steve: replacement-fit?
  298. # [18:55] <fantasai> fantasai: doesn't make sense for SVG. Also nobody outside this WG will have any idea what it means
  299. # [18:56] * fantasai thinks image-fit and image-position are the best names we have so far
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  301. # [18:56] <fantasai> howcome: If it's between image-fit and content-fit I suggest we lean towards content-fit for reasons of diplomacy
  302. # [18:57] <fantasai> Steve: That's a first
  303. # [18:57] <fantasai> Bert: I don't understand what SVG needs this for
  304. # [18:58] <fantasai> fantasai: mapping preserveAspectRatio to CSS
  305. # [18:58] * alexmog managed to join just in time for the last item on the agenda...
  306. # [18:58] <fantasai> Bert: My impression is that content-fit would mean that anything that is inserted as part of the 'content' property
  307. # [18:59] <fantasai> Bert: That's not the impression I get. 'image-' would work better
  308. # [18:59] <fantasai> Brad: I agree. When I think of content I think of the content-box
  309. # [18:59] <glazou> replaced-element-fit :)
  310. # [18:59] <fantasai> howcome: We could explain to SVG why we want to keep image-
  311. # [19:00] <fantasai> Steve: Someone explained that the name should be relevant to what people see, not the underlying architecture
  312. # [19:00] <fantasai> Steve: In that sense image makes more sense than content
  313. # [19:00] <fantasai> RESOLVED: Keep image-fit and image-position as names, explain rationale to SVG
  314. # [19:00] <fantasai> ACTION: fantasai discuss with SVG
  315. # [19:00] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  316. # [19:00] * RRSAgent records action 1
  317. # [19:00] <trackbot> Created ACTION-178 - Discuss with SVG [on Elika Etemad - due 2009-09-30].
  318. # [19:00] * Bert image, graphic, picture, figure, illustration, object...
  319. # [19:00] <glazou> bye
  320. # [19:00] <Zakim> -mauro
  321. # [19:01] <Zakim> -bradk
  322. # [19:01] <Zakim> -David_Baron
  323. # [19:01] <Zakim> -SteveZ
  324. # [19:01] <Zakim> -plinss
  325. # [19:01] <Zakim> -??P6
  326. # [19:01] <Zakim> -Bert
  327. # [19:01] <Zakim> -glazou
  328. # [19:01] <Zakim> -TabAtkins
  329. # [19:01] <Zakim> -CesarAcebal
  330. # [19:01] <Zakim> Style_CSS FP()12:00PM has ended
  331. # [19:01] <Zakim> Attendees were glazou, +1.858.216.aaaa, plinss, +1.650.766.aabb, +1.650.766.aacc, TabAtkins, +49.238.aadd, bradk, Bert, David_Baron, CesarAcebal, +1.650.924.aaee, SteveZ, mauro
  332. # [19:01] <TabAtkins> Could someone ask Hyatt to come by soon for gradients?
  333. # [19:01] <glazou> RRSAgent, make logs public
  334. # [19:01] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, glazou
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  347. # [22:47] <fantasai> plinss: Hey Peter, do you have time for a call sometime today or tomorrow?
  348. # Session Close: Thu Sep 24 00:00:00 2009

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