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  48. # [17:45] <glazou> Zakim, this will be Style
  49. # [17:45] <Zakim> ok, glazou; I see Style_CSS FP()12:00PM scheduled to start in 15 minutes
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  52. # [17:55] <Zakim> Style_CSS FP()12:00PM has now started
  53. # [17:55] <Zakim> +dsinger
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  55. # [17:57] <dsinger> zakim, who is on the phone?
  56. # [17:57] <Zakim> On the phone I see dsinger
  57. # [17:57] <dsinger> zakim, mute me
  58. # [17:57] <Zakim> sorry, dsinger, muting is not permitted when only one person is present
  59. # [17:58] <dsinger> zakim, who is on the phone?
  60. # [17:58] <Zakim> On the phone I see dsinger
  61. # [17:59] <dsinger> zakim, who is making noise?
  62. # [17:59] <Zakim> +plinss
  63. # [17:59] <Zakim> dsinger, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds
  64. # [17:59] <dsinger> zakim, mute me
  65. # [17:59] <Zakim> dsinger should now be muted
  66. # [17:59] <Zakim> +??P24
  67. # [17:59] * dsinger hiya
  68. # [17:59] <fantasai> Zakim, ? is fantasai
  69. # [17:59] <Zakim> +fantasai; got it
  70. # [18:00] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  71. # [18:00] <Zakim> +TabAtkins
  72. # [18:00] <sylvaing> Zakim, [Microsoft] has sylvaing
  73. # [18:00] <Zakim> +sylvaing; got it
  74. # [18:01] <glazou> VoIP dead :(
  75. # [18:02] <Zakim> +glazou
  76. # [18:02] <Zakim> +David_Baron
  77. # [18:02] <dbaron> Zakim, mute David_Baron
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  81. # [18:03] <fantasai> dbaron, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-css-testsuite/2009Oct/0008.html ???
  82. # [18:04] * dsinger silence is go-olden, go-olden...
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  84. # [18:04] <TabAtkins> Hey, I have great voip. Your service just sucks.
  85. # [18:04] <Zakim> +Bert
  86. # [18:04] <glazou> sylvaing: bill ? not even, free.fr, 18Megabits, free calls to landlines in 100 countries
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  88. # [18:05] <plinss> free doesn't help if it doesn't work...
  89. # [18:05] <ChrisL> yes, but not necessarily a "real phone" in ters of the connection
  90. # [18:05] <glazou> yeah, that's the 1st time they have a network issue
  91. # [18:05] <glazou> on voip
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  94. # [18:06] <Zakim> +ChrisL
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  96. # [18:07] <fantasai> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-css-wg/2009OctDec/0035.html
  97. # [18:07] <Zakim> +SteveZ
  98. # [18:07] * ChrisL has trouble hearing peter
  99. # [18:07] <fantasai> http://dev.w3.org/csswg/selectors3/issues-lc-2009
  100. # [18:07] * fantasai too
  101. # [18:07] * TabAtkins can hear peter fine, though he's a little quiet.
  102. # [18:08] <fantasai> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009May/0065.html
  103. # [18:09] <dbaron> Zakim, unmute David_Baron
  104. # [18:09] <Zakim> David_Baron should no longer be muted
  105. # [18:10] * fantasai who is minuting?
  106. # [18:10] <fantasai> ScribeNick: fantasai
  107. # [18:10] <fantasai> dbaron: I don't think this should be done for ARIA
  108. # [18:10] <dbaron> Zakim, mute David_Baron
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  110. # [18:10] <fantasai> dbaron: I think ARIA should remain descriptive
  111. # [18:10] * ChrisL thought fantasai was
  112. # [18:11] <fantasai> [discussing :checked pseudo-class and ARIA]
  113. # [18:12] <fantasai> My answer is that it's out-of-scope for Selectors
  114. # [18:12] <fantasai> Whether a node is checked is defined by the document language
  115. # [18:12] <fantasai> whether that's defined by the HTML4 spec
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  117. # [18:12] <fantasai> or HTML5+DOM+SVG+ARIA+something-else
  118. # [18:13] <fantasai> People seem to agree with this
  119. # [18:14] <fantasai> Chris: We asked them a question about ::before and ::after, they don't seem to have responded.
  120. # [18:15] <fantasai> fantasai: so who should respond?
  121. # [18:15] <fantasai> Daniel: you
  122. # [18:16] <fantasai> Bert: Make sure they know it is an official response
  123. # [18:16] <fantasai> ACTION fantasai respond to Janina
  124. # [18:16] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  125. # [18:16] <trackbot> Created ACTION-181 - Respond to Janina [on Elika Etemad - due 2009-10-28].
  126. # [18:16] <fantasai> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009Apr/0006.html
  127. # [18:17] <fantasai> fantasai: This was raised against implementors, actually, but filed against Selectors
  128. # [18:17] <Zakim> +CesarAcebal
  129. # [18:17] <fantasai> fantasai: I think it's out-of-scope for Selectors, just wanted to check that that's acceptable
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  131. # [18:18] <fantasai> Tab: Seems fine to me
  132. # [18:18] <dbaron> Zakim, unmute David_Baron
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  134. # [18:18] <dbaron> Zakim, mute David_Baron
  135. # [18:18] <Zakim> David_Baron should now be muted
  136. # [18:18] <fantasai> dbaron: I'm not sure how reasonable Anne's suggestion will be for our UA style sheet, but that's another story
  137. # [18:19] <fantasai> Peter: No objections to treating as out-of-scope
  138. # [18:19] <fantasai> Issue 1.
  139. # [18:19] <fantasai> Summary: Remove suggestion to use \: to match namespaced XML in down-level UAs
  140. # [18:19] <fantasai> From: Krzysztof Maczynski
  141. # [18:19] <fantasai> Comment: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009Mar/0098.html
  142. # [18:19] <fantasai> Response: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009Oct/0239.html
  143. # [18:19] <fantasai> Comment: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009Oct/0251.html
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  145. # [18:20] <fantasai> fantasai: Anne suggested removing the entire section. I don't mind
  146. # [18:20] <fantasai> Peter: I agree as well, and I original wrote the section
  147. # [18:20] <fantasai> Peter: It was mainly an argument to Microsoft 10 years ago explaining why escaped colons was a bad way to handle it and that we needed a Namespaces spec
  148. # [18:21] <fantasai> ACTION fantasai remove Chapter 11
  149. # [18:21] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  150. # [18:21] <trackbot> Created ACTION-182 - Remove Chapter 11 [on Elika Etemad - due 2009-10-28].
  151. # [18:21] <fantasai> fantasai: THat leaves 3 more issues, all on defining things defined in 2.1 but not here
  152. # [18:22] <fantasai> fantasai: I don't have any concrete proposals here
  153. # [18:22] <fantasai> Bert: Point to CSS2.1 and HTML and XML specs
  154. # [18:22] <ChrisL> q+ to ask a point of clarification about :indeterminate pseudo-class
  155. # [18:22] * Zakim sees ChrisL on the speaker queue
  156. # [18:23] * dsinger ow, (fuaw!)
  157. # [18:23] <Zakim> +[apple]
  158. # [18:24] <fantasai> fantasai: For ::first-line (issue 10), I can split out a lot of the CSS-specific stuff, but I can't figure out a general way to explain that we're referring to the first line of a block
  159. # [18:24] <Zakim> -dsinger
  160. # [18:24] <dsinger> zakim, [apple] has dsinger
  161. # [18:24] <Zakim> +dsinger; got it
  162. # [18:26] <ChrisL> say the host language defines it
  163. # [18:26] <fantasai> fantasai: I'll try to fix that and post my edits to www-style for review
  164. # [18:27] <fantasai> Chris: For Issue 6, refer to XML for the first 3 and to the DOM spec for DOM
  165. # [18:28] <fantasai> Chris: e.g. DOM3 Core
  166. # [18:28] <fantasai> Chris: I have a question about :indeterminate
  167. # [18:28] <fantasai> Chris: The spec has a note about :indeterminate, no normative text, but we have a test in the test suite
  168. # [18:28] <fantasai> Chris: We should either define :indeterminate, or drop the test
  169. # [18:29] <dbaron> Zakim, unmute David_Baron
  170. # [18:29] <Zakim> David_Baron should no longer be muted
  171. # [18:29] <fantasai> and the section
  172. # [18:29] <dbaron> Zakim, mute David_Baron
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  174. # [18:29] <fantasai> dbaron: Isn't this the result of agreeing to drop it in the past and not having changed the test suite to match?
  175. # [18:29] <fantasai> fantasai: I don't know, I wasn't editing the spec at the time. Daniel?
  176. # [18:30] <plinss> ack ChrisL
  177. # [18:30] <Zakim> ChrisL, you wanted to ask a point of clarification about :indeterminate pseudo-class
  178. # [18:30] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  179. # [18:30] <fantasai> Daniel: :indeterminate was not in the original Selectors spec, it was added by Tantek
  180. # [18:30] <fantasai> Chris: I think the tests mostly fail, so I suggest dropping those tests
  181. # [18:30] <fantasai> ACTION fantasai drop :indeterminate from tests
  182. # [18:30] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  183. # [18:30] <trackbot> Created ACTION-183 - Drop :indeterminate from tests [on Elika Etemad - due 2009-10-28].
  184. # [18:31] <fantasai> Chris: Why aren't references split into normative and informative?
  185. # [18:31] <fantasai> fantasai has no clue
  186. # [18:32] <fantasai> fantsai: I can make that split
  187. # [18:33] <fantasai> s/fantsai/fantasai/
  188. # [18:34] <fantasai> fantasai: I'll have to reword the PCDATA/etc. to not require normative references to HTML/XML
  189. # [18:35] <fantasai> ...
  190. # [18:35] <fantasai> Steve: Is there a section that says what things are language-specific?
  191. # [18:35] <fantasai> Chris quotes section 13 - Conformance
  192. # [18:36] <fantasai> Peter: are all concerns answered?
  193. # [18:36] <dbaron> Zakim, unmute David_Baron
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  195. # [18:37] <dbaron> Zakim, mute David_Baron
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  197. # [18:37] <fantasai> Chris: So we want to move to CR, how long should it be in CR/ what are status of implementations?
  198. # [18:37] <fantasai> dbaron: Why can't we move to PR?
  199. # [18:37] <dbaron> Zakim, unmute David_Baron
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  203. # [18:37] <fantasai> dbaron: I thought we had already met our CR exit criteria
  204. # [18:37] <dbaron> Zakim, unmute David_Baron
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  208. # [18:38] <dbaron> Zakim, unmute David_Baron
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  210. # [18:38] <dbaron> Zakim, mute David_Baron
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  214. # [18:38] <fantasai> dbaron: I thought we already had implementation reports
  215. # [18:38] <fantasai> fantasai can't find them
  216. # [18:39] <fantasai> fantasai: If we don't have implementation reports in the next 2 weeks then I think we should move to CR
  217. # [18:39] <dbaron> Zakim, mute David_Baron
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  219. # [18:40] <fantasai> Bert has links to the implementation reports
  220. # [18:40] <dbaron> http://www.w3.org/Style/Group/documents.html
  221. # [18:41] <Bert> FF 1.5: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2007Jul/att-0046/implementreportFx15-20070725.html
  222. # [18:41] <Bert> Opera 9.5 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2007Sep/att-0055/selectors-report.html
  223. # [18:41] <dbaron> Zakim, unmute David_Baron
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  225. # [18:41] <Bert> Konq 3.5 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2007Sep/att-0054/implementreport-konqueror.html
  226. # [18:41] <fantasai> http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/Test/CSS3/Selectors/current/
  227. # [18:41] <Bert> Amaya 9.55 http://www.w3.org/Style/Group/css3-src/css3-selectors/amaya-9.55-report.html
  228. # [18:41] <dbaron> Zakim, unmute David_Baron
  229. # [18:41] <Zakim> David_Baron was not muted, dbaron
  230. # [18:41] <fantasai> http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/Test/CSS3/Selectors/current/implementreportTEMPLATE.html
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  232. # [18:41] <dbaron> Zakim, mute David_Baron
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  234. # [18:42] <fantasai> which is linked from the test suite
  235. # [18:42] <fantasai> I haven't dropped the :indeterminate tests yet
  236. # [18:42] <fantasai> I'll do so soon
  237. # [18:42] <fantasai> Chris: The implementation report template is awkward, you have to record the same test multiple places
  238. # [18:44] <fantasai> We will discuss the transition at TPAC
  239. # [18:44] <fantasai> Peter: We'll have implementation reports by then hopefully?
  240. # [18:44] * fantasai is not taking responsibility for implementation reports
  241. # [18:44] <fantasai> Chris is working on an Opera one
  242. # [18:45] <fantasai> dbaron is working on Mozilla (?)
  243. # [18:45] <fantasai> fantasai: Can we get one for WebKit?
  244. # [18:46] <fantasai> Test Suite: http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/Test/CSS3/Selectors/current/
  245. # [18:47] <fantasai> Peter: Media Queries syntax from Yves
  246. # [18:47] <plinss> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009Oct/0095.html
  247. # [18:48] <fantasai> Bert: First issue was about using functional syntax for media queries, not much chance for that
  248. # [18:48] <fantasai> Bert: Second issue was to include the parentheses in the CSS2.1 Appendix G grammar
  249. # [18:48] <dbaron> fantasai, the current implementation report template has one link to the 20090603 test suite, but the individual test links are all to the 20060307 test suit (note year!)
  250. # [18:48] <fantasai> Bert: Because that's what he uses to parse
  251. # [18:48] <dbaron> fantasai, I'm going to assume that's wrong and search-replace the whole thing before running it
  252. # [18:48] <fantasai> dbaron, yeah, I guess I have to fix that
  253. # [18:49] <fantasai> Bert: I'm not in favor. It's not wrong to add it, but it's not necessary
  254. # [18:49] <dbaron> Zakim, unmute David_Baron
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  256. # [18:49] <fantasai> fantasai: If Yves needs it for his implementation, then he can add it. We don't need it for the spec, so we dont' need to edit the spec
  257. # [18:50] <fantasai> dbaron: The Appendix G grammar is only a description of what's in CSS2.1, it's not a guide for implementations
  258. # [18:50] <dbaron> Zakim, mute David_Baron
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  260. # [18:50] <fantasai> dbaron: It's sometimes useful where the spec fails to give a grammar elsewhere, but we should really try to eliminate those
  261. # [18:51] <fantasai> Bert describes what Media Queries does to the grammar
  262. # [18:51] <fantasai> Bert: I'm happy to do nothing here
  263. # [18:51] <fantasai> RESOLVED: Closed no change
  264. # [18:52] <plinss> Topic: @page and the CSSOM
  265. # [18:52] <plinss> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009Oct/0094.html
  266. # [18:52] <fantasai> fantasai: I have no idea, but the @page rule with its nesting structure can't be changed at this point
  267. # [18:53] <fantasai> fantasai: Also we have nesting for @media...
  268. # [18:53] * fantasai notes that Anne is not on the call
  269. # [18:54] <fantasai> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009Oct/0071.html
  270. # [18:54] <fantasai> Chris: I'm concerned that we would replace the explosion of properties with the explosion of pseudo-elements
  271. # [18:55] <fantasai> Tab: There was some discussion of this with Brad and roc
  272. # [18:55] <fantasai> Tab: We don't want the combinatorial explosion
  273. # [18:55] <fantasai> Tab: But other ways of naively doing it break the CSS model for values
  274. # [18:55] <fantasai> Daniel: Microsoft introduced filters long long ago
  275. # [18:55] <fantasai> Daniel: It would be cool to provide a replacement for this proprietary feature
  276. # [18:55] <dbaron> fantasai, I'm going to prepare a revised implementreportTEMPLATE.html file
  277. # [18:56] <fantasai> Chris: SVG filters is being split out into a separate file, to allow other specs to incorporate them
  278. # [18:57] * sylvaing wishes he could use consistent CSS across HTML and SVG for transitions, animations, transforms, filters....
  279. # [18:57] <fantasai> ...
  280. # [18:58] <fantasai> Daniel: After transitions, animations, and transforms filters will be the next feature requested by web designers
  281. # [18:58] <fantasai> Tab: So hash out more of this on the list? I don't think this is something we can resolve on the call
  282. # [18:58] * fantasai agrees
  283. # [18:58] <fantasai> Tab: It's a big issue. No matter what we do, it will be something large and complicated to work out
  284. # [18:59] <fantasai> Peter: Any benefit to working F2F at TPAC?
  285. # [18:59] <fantasai> Daniel: If we follow Chris's suggestion, it would be something to discuss with SVG
  286. # [18:59] <fantasai> fantasai: SVG won't be meeting at TPAC
  287. # [18:59] <fantasai> Chris: Some members will be present, but not the group
  288. # [19:00] <fantasai> Chris: Erik would be the best person to talk to, since he's editor for Filters spec
  289. # [19:00] <fantasai> Deferred to TPAC and beyond
  290. # [19:01] <fantasai> Meeting closed.
  291. # [19:01] <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
  292. # [19:01] <Zakim> -SteveZ
  293. # [19:01] <Zakim> -ChrisL
  294. # [19:01] <Zakim> -TabAtkins
  295. # [19:01] <Zakim> -glazou
  296. # [19:01] <Zakim> -plinss
  297. # [19:01] <Zakim> -[apple]
  298. # [19:01] <Zakim> -CesarAcebal
  299. # [19:01] <Zakim> -David_Baron
  300. # [19:01] <Zakim> -Bert
  301. # [19:01] <Zakim> -fantasai
  302. # [19:01] <Zakim> Style_CSS FP()12:00PM has ended
  303. # [19:01] <Zakim> Attendees were dsinger, plinss, fantasai, TabAtkins, sylvaing, glazou, David_Baron, Bert, ChrisL, SteveZ, CesarAcebal
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  305. # [19:01] <fantasai> dbaron, cool, can you check that into a reports/ subdirectory of http://test.csswg.org/svn/approved/selectors3/ and I'll copy to w3.org?
  306. # [19:02] * Parts: glazou (glazou@82.247.96.19)
  307. # [19:06] <dbaron> fantasai, I sent it to http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-css-testsuite/2009Oct/0010.html
  308. # [19:06] <dbaron> fantasai, so you can check it in whereever else...
  309. # [19:07] <fantasai> ok
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  314. # [19:21] <dbaron> fantasai, actually, I found a few more mistakes
  315. # [19:21] <dbaron> fantasai, a few tests that have been marked HTML-only, I think
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  320. # [19:55] <bradk_> What'd I miss?
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  325. # [20:03] <dbaron> fantasai, maybe the reports should just go in CSS/selectors3-test-suite on dev.w3.org ?
  326. # [20:04] <dbaron> just like we did for the css3-color test suite reports?
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  328. # [20:04] <dbaron> fantasai, or is that no longer a current copy of the test suite?
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  334. # [22:33] <fantasai> dbaron: Arron and I shifted all the test stuff to test.csswg.org
  335. # [22:33] <fantasai> dbaron: Much less confusion and version history munging that way
  336. # [22:33] <dbaron> fantasai, Anything that's no longer the main copy should be deleted
  337. # [22:33] <fantasai> dbaron: already done
  338. # [22:33] <dbaron> fantasai, otherwise I'll just keep editing whatever's on dev.w3.org
  339. # [22:33] <fantasai> dbaron: dev.w3.org/CSS should be empty
  340. # [22:34] <dbaron> ah, yeah, mostly
  341. # [22:34] <fantasai> dbaron: Couldn't delete the directories
  342. # [22:34] <fantasai> dbaron: but they're all empty
  343. # [22:34] <dbaron> fantasai, if directories are empty they go away if you give cvs the right option
  344. # [22:34] <dbaron> fantasai, you should never cvs remove a directory
  345. # [22:35] <dbaron> fantasai, your ~/.cvsrc should have:
  346. # [22:35] * fantasai didn't know that
  347. # [22:35] <dbaron> checkout -P
  348. # [22:35] <dbaron> update -P
  349. # [22:35] <fantasai> k
  350. # [22:35] <dbaron> so I should make a 'reports' subdir of approved/selectors3/ ?
  351. # [22:35] <fantasai> yes
  352. # [22:36] <fantasai> feel free to make any edits you feel are necessary there
  353. # [22:36] <dbaron> boy, every time I update csswg.org svn, it seems like massive chunks of files I already have get moved somewhere else
  354. # [22:36] <fantasai> and I'll remove the :indeterminate tests and republish the test suite on Friday
  355. # [22:36] <fantasai> heh
  356. # [22:36] <fantasai> well
  357. # [22:36] <fantasai> we reorganized the repository
  358. # [22:36] <fantasai> a few weeks ago
  359. # [22:37] <fantasai> I think we'll be staying with this structure for awhile
  360. # [22:37] * fantasai worked with Arron on it
  361. # [22:37] <fantasai> it's easier for contributors
  362. # [22:37] * fantasai remembers she needs to update the README, too
  363. # [22:39] <dbaron> fantasai, what's my username for svn.csswg.org?
  364. # [22:40] <dbaron> fantasai, and do I need to use a URL beginning with something other than http: to commit?
  365. # [22:41] <dbaron> (I think I may have had my client configured properly for the previous location of the repository, but I deleted that tree...)
  366. # [22:42] <fantasai> dbaron, and no
  367. # [22:42] <dbaron> fantasai, "and no"?
  368. # [22:43] <fantasai> https should be fine
  369. # [22:43] <dbaron> fantasai, what's my username?
  370. # [22:43] <fantasai> dbaron
  371. # [22:43] <dbaron> and how do I authenticate?
  372. # [22:44] <fantasai> you should have the password in your inbox
  373. # [22:44] <fantasai> I can send it to you again if you can't find it
  374. # [22:44] <fantasai> but all the info should be in that email
  375. # [22:44] <dbaron> do I need to check the whole tree out again if I currently have it from http: rather than https: ?
  376. # [22:44] <fantasai> I don't know enough about SVN to answer that
  377. # [22:45] <dbaron> fantasai, what year was this email sent in?
  378. # [22:45] <dbaron> fantasai, and how might I search for it?
  379. # [22:46] <dbaron> https: doesn't seem to work
  380. # [22:47] * fantasai looks
  381. # [22:47] <dbaron> ok, I found the password
  382. # [22:47] <dbaron> still don't know how to use https:
  383. # [22:47] <dbaron> email was:
  384. # [22:47] <dbaron> Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 16:11:28 -0700
  385. # [22:48] <dbaron> doesn't look like that server responds to https:, at least not on the normal port
  386. # [22:49] <fantasai> hm, maybe it's just http then
  387. # [22:49] <fantasai> since that's what I sent, then that's probably what you need to log in
  388. # [22:51] <dbaron> fantasai, what do you see when you type "svn info" in your checkout of that repository?
  389. # [22:51] <dbaron> fantasai, http: or something else?
  390. # [22:51] <fantasai> http
  391. # [22:51] <dbaron> nice to know this is completely insecure...
  392. # [22:52] <fantasai> plinss: ping
  393. # [22:59] <dbaron> fantasai, ok, reports checked in
  394. # [22:59] <fantasai> dbaron: cool, thanks
  395. # [23:01] <fantasai> dbaron: btw, I wanted to get hixie's tests checked in this week
  396. # [23:02] <fantasai> dbaron: but he told me you were in charge of that, or something
  397. # [23:02] <fantasai> dbaron: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-css-testsuite/2009Oct/0008.html
  398. # [23:02] <fantasai> dbaron: So I wanted to know what I should do.
  399. # [23:02] <dbaron> he wanted me to be, but I'm not
  400. # [23:02] <fantasai> dbaron: so it's ok if I just check them in?
  401. # [23:02] <dbaron> if he says it is, yes
  402. # [23:02] <dbaron> which I thought he did
  403. # [23:02] <fantasai> ok
  404. # [23:02] <fantasai> I'll do that then
  405. # [23:02] <fantasai> thanks
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