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  24. # [13:18] <anne> "The computed value exists even when the property does not apply, as defined by the 'Applies To' line. However, some properties may define the computed value of a property for an element to depend on whether the property applies to that element."
  25. # [13:18] <anne> is there any property that actually does that?
  26. # [13:18] <anne> or is this a pre-CSS 2.1 concept?
  27. # [13:18] * anne thinks it might be
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  32. # [13:44] <Bert> Anne, 'width' says "Computed value: the percentage or 'auto' as specified or the absolute length; 'auto' if the property does not apply"
  33. # [13:47] <anne> thanks
  34. # [13:48] <anne> hmm, so it should "apply" to display:none elements
  35. # [13:49] <anne> oh wait, that's not at all what getComputedStyle does
  36. # [13:49] <anne> man, this is confusing
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  38. # [14:17] <anne> overflow is apparently a special case too; while being a shorthand, it is still exposed
  39. # [14:19] <anne> or maybe it is not a shorthand at all
  40. # [14:27] <anne> i guess 'width' / 'height' is more like
  41. # [14:28] <anne> resolved value: if the property does not apply or display is set to 'none': the percentage or 'auto' as specified or the absolute length; otherwise: the used value
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  48. # [15:12] <anne> Bert, why is it 'auto' btw if the property does not apply?
  49. # [15:12] <anne> Bert, I don't think browsers do that
  50. # [15:13] <Bert> I guess because it is difficult to compute a property that doesn't apply: "50% of what?" But it'll take some digging to find when and why we added that to 'width'.
  51. # [15:14] <Bert> Maybe because 'inherit' on a child of an inline element might give surprising results if the inherited value wasn't 'auto'?
  52. # [15:15] <anne> it's wrong
  53. # [15:15] <anne> http://dump.testsuite.org/2010/width-computed-value.htm
  54. # [15:15] <anne> in no browser is that blue thing as wide as the window
  55. # [15:16] <anne> i guess i should say :/ because there's more bugs in CSS 2.1
  56. # [15:16] <anne> you'd think microsoft would have noticed this with their gigantic number of tests
  57. # [15:18] <anne> i'll email the list
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