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  1. # Session Start: Mon Sep 27 00:00:00 2010
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  19. # [03:26] <fantasai> gsnedders: Yeah, that section is not very correct imo. I complained about it early on, but at that point the attitude was "presentational attributes are evil, we must suppress them whenever possible"
  20. # [03:27] <fantasai> gsnedders: "even in SVG and suchlike"
  21. # [03:27] <fantasai> gsnedders: The SVGWG wasn't having any of that, though, so they wrote their own text to override CSS's rules here.
  22. # [03:27] <fantasai> gsnedders: which means I got to raise an issue that we are incompatible with SVG!
  23. # [03:27] <fantasai> gsnedders: and here we are: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2010Jun/0487.html
  24. # [03:28] <fantasai> CSS2.1 Issue 151
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  30. # [07:51] <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/09/27-CSS-irc
  31. # [07:51] <fantasai> Discuss text-emphasis-position and its inheritance behavior and how to write a default UA style sheet that respects language conventions.
  32. # [07:52] <fantasai> without having side-effects that surprise the author when he sets t-e-p explicitly
  33. # [07:52] <fantasai> next topic
  34. # [07:52] <fantasai> Topic: Logical Properties
  35. # [07:52] <fantasai> Murakami-san presents his Yet Another Proposal for logical controls
  36. # [07:53] <fantasai> It's based on fantasai's old proposal, but using a syntax closer to Alex's from the F2F
  37. # [07:54] <fantasai> [will fill in details later]
  38. # [07:54] <fantasai> Murakami-san writes
  39. # [07:54] <fantasai> writing-mode: logical? && [ <current keyword values> ]
  40. # [07:55] <fantasai> Murakami-san: The logical flag makes the other properties logical by default.
  41. # [07:57] <fantasai> fantasai: That's pretty much a direction-mode switch. It would reinterpret the rest of the style sheets.
  42. # [07:57] <fantasai> Murakami-san: This is useful for handling existing content. Unlike syntax that would scope this to a style sheet file, it also would affect inline styles
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  44. # [08:02] <fantasai> fantasai: This proposal is addressing requirements of a UA, not requirements of an author.
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  46. # [08:05] <fantasai> fantasai: It would be better for an author if the default "logical" flag setting were scoped to the style sheet file.
  47. # [08:12] <fantasai> Ishii-san, Murakami-san: People use style attribute all the time in blogs, etc.
  48. # [08:12] <fantasai> Murakami-san: And they want their blog to be converted to ebook
  49. # [08:13] <fantasai> in vertical text modes
  50. # [08:14] <fantasai> fantasai: But synthesizing a vertical style sheet for a horizontal-only site doesn't have to be solved by CSS, that's a UA process. It can use a preprocessor or do anything
  51. # [08:19] <fantasai> Ishii-san: But what if I'm an author that's importing contents from multiple sources. I want to transform all of their styles.
  52. # [08:21] * fantasai goes bakc in time
  53. # [08:21] <fantasai> Murakami-san's proposal for logical properties was to add a 'logical' flag to the various properties.
  54. # [08:21] <fantasai> Cascading would tkae place as usual
  55. # [08:21] <fantasai> In case of a conflict at layout time, the physical properties win
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  57. # [08:51] <fantasai> Murakami-san posts his proposal to www-style
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