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  9. # [01:59] <Hixie> does CSS require U+2028 LINE SEPARATOR to actually break a line?
  10. # [01:59] <Hixie> i couldn't find it specified anywhere
  11. # [01:59] <Hixie> (not that i looked closely)
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  80. # [19:55] <fantasai> Hixie: It's specified in Unicode
  81. # [19:57] <Hixie> that LS creates a new line box is specified in Unicode? Where?
  82. # [19:58] <fantasai> Hixie: That LS creates a forced line break is specified in Unicode
  83. # [19:58] <fantasai> Hixie: in UAX14
  84. # [19:58] <Hixie> where is it specified that it creates a line box?
  85. # [19:58] <fantasai> Where is it specified that a preserved LF creates a line box?
  86. # [19:58] <fantasai> Or that soft-wrapping a line creates a line box?
  87. # [19:59] <fantasai> Breaking a line is implied to create a new line box. You can argue that that's insufficient specification, but afaict LS isn't more undefined than LF in that respect.
  88. # [20:01] <Hixie> 16.6 in css2.1
  89. # [20:01] <Hixie> in the definition of white-space
  90. # [20:02] <Hixie> says that break lines as necessary to fill line boxes, and to (given the right value of white-space) break lines "only at newlines in the source" and U+000A in generated content
  91. # [20:02] <Hixie> it then says:
  92. # [20:02] <Hixie> Newlines in the source can be represented by a carriage return (U+000D), a linefeed (U+000A) or both (U+000D U+000A) or by some other mechanism that identifies the beginning and end of document segments, such as the SGML RECORD-START and RECORD-END tokens.
  93. # [20:03] <Hixie> U+2028 doesn't fit that definition
  94. # [20:03] <fantasai> hm
  95. # [20:03] <fantasai> well, I can raise that as an issue
  96. # [20:03] <Hixie> since no browsers break at LS, i think if we want it to break at LS we're going to have to be far more specific about it
  97. # [20:04] <fantasai> yes
  98. # [20:04] <fantasai> CSS3 Text actually calls out specific UAX14 classes for breaking
  99. # [20:04] <fantasai> Hm, it looks like a few edits haven't made it into that section...
  100. # [20:04] * fantasai looks up the css2.1 issue that deals with this
  101. # [20:05] <fantasai> Nope, nothing fixes the LF-specificness
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  103. # [20:06] <fantasai> k, I'll file an issue.
  104. # [20:06] <Hixie> k
  105. # [20:06] <Hixie> does the csswg use bugzilla yet btw?
  106. # [20:06] <Hixie> it would help in reassigning issues from the htmlwg
  107. # [20:06] <fantasai> GC needs to be able to represent soft bidi breaks anyway
  108. # [20:06] <Hixie> or marking dependencies
  109. # [20:06] <fantasai> no
  110. # [20:06] <fantasai> we use a combination of Tracker and a wiki
  111. # [20:07] <Hixie> k
  112. # [20:07] <fantasai> and some specs don't have any issues list...
  113. # [20:08] <Hixie> i wonder what i should do with this LS issue
  114. # [20:08] <fantasai> wrt CSS or HTML?
  115. # [20:08] <Hixie> html. i guess i'll just tell people to use the LS charref and that css will be updated in due course.
  116. # [20:10] <fantasai> Is there an &ls; entity?
  117. # [20:10] <Hixie> not that i know of
  118. # [20:10] <Hixie> the names are under the mathml wg's control
  119. # [20:10] <fantasai> I think it's best to either have a named entity or some markup
  120. # [20:11] <fantasai> numerical references are awkward and hard to remember
  121. # [20:11] <fantasai> and putting the character in directly is not a good idea
  122. # [20:11] <fantasai> because it's visually indistinguishable from any other line break character
  123. # [20:11] <Hixie> no argument from me there
  124. # [20:12] <fantasai> Potentially crazy idea: maybe make <br> inside <p> and <address> be a soft line break?
  125. # [20:12] <fantasai> actually, not <address>
  126. # [20:12] <fantasai> just <p>
  127. # [20:12] <Hixie> that'd be really weird
  128. # [20:13] <Hixie> adding or removing a <p> doesn't really change the semantics, so it shouldn't change the rendering
  129. # [20:13] <fantasai> It'd handle the one use case people brought up :)
  130. # [20:13] <Hixie> especially not when it can change it to mean the opposite
  131. # [20:13] <fantasai> poetry
  132. # [20:13] <fantasai> but yeah
  133. # [20:13] <Hixie> poetry would still break in <pre>
  134. # [20:13] <fantasai> true
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  140. # [21:19] <fantasai> Bert: Your postprocess script is broken
  141. # [21:19] <fantasai> Bert: It says "Incorrect query: missing or illegal field "method" "
  142. # [21:19] <fantasai> Bert: It does not work with file upload
  143. # [21:19] <fantasai> Bert: Can you please fix it?
  144. # [21:44] <anne> fantasai, fwiw, it seems the HTML mapping can be removed in favor of HTML5
  145. # [22:39] <fantasai> anne: HTML mapping of what?
  146. # [22:46] * Ms2ger suggests anolis
  147. # [22:52] <gsnedders> Ms2ger: You ever look at Anolis2?
  148. # [22:53] <Ms2ger> Not in detail
  149. # [22:53] <Ms2ger> I actually should do that
  150. # [22:53] * Ms2ger notes it down
  151. # [22:53] * gsnedders started writing a WebIDL parser to create sane markup for it from just a pre block, and xref everything properly
  152. # [22:54] <gsnedders> (I got bored in a lecture…)
  153. # [22:54] <Ms2ger> Neat
  154. # [22:54] <Ms2ger> respec has something like that, no?
  155. # [22:54] <gsnedders> (This is what CS lectures do to me.)
  156. # [22:54] <gsnedders> Dunno.
  157. # [22:55] <Ms2ger> Not having a laptop with me during lectures helps
  158. # [22:55] <Ms2ger> I write documentation instead
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  160. # [22:57] <gsnedders> Ms2ger: Hehe, I need laptop for my Eng. lang. lectures, as I can't (due to dypraxia & dysgraphia) write quickly enough to take notes… In maths typing everything would take too much time.
  161. # [22:59] <Ms2ger> Is your WebIDL parser online, btw?
  162. # [22:59] <Bert> Fantasai, a disk partition was full. Fixed now.
  163. # [22:59] <gsnedders> No. I realized my entire implmenetation of the parser was broken, though.
  164. # [23:00] * Ms2ger pushes all that to tomorrow
  165. # [23:01] <Ms2ger> nn
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  167. # [23:07] <fantasai> Bert: Thank you!!
  168. # [23:08] * fantasai is glad you were still awake :)
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