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  71. # [18:01] <plinss_> zakim, this will be style
  72. # [18:01] <Zakim> ok, plinss_; I see Style_CSS FP()12:00PM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
  73. # [18:01] <plinss_> rrsagent, make logs public
  74. # [18:01] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, plinss_
  75. # [18:01] <Zakim> Style_CSS FP()12:00PM has now started
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  83. # [18:04] <kojiishi> zakim, ??p3 is me
  84. # [18:05] <Zakim> +kojiishi; got it
  85. # [18:05] * dbaron Zakim, who is on the phone?
  86. # [18:05] * Zakim sees on the phone: plinss_, [Microsoft], Tal, kojiishi, David_Baron
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  91. # [18:05] <JohnJan> zakim, microsoft is johnjan
  92. # [18:05] <Zakim> +johnjan; got it
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  98. # [18:09] <JohnJan> zakim, johnjan has arronei
  99. # [18:09] <Zakim> +arronei; got it
  100. # [18:09] <Bert> Scribe: Bert
  101. # [18:09] <Bert> ScribeNick: Bert
  102. # [18:09] <Bert> Topic: Agenda
  103. # [18:10] <Bert> PL: Anything to add?
  104. # [18:10] <Bert> Topic: CSS 2.1 LC
  105. # [18:10] <Bert> PL: We are past deadline for LC for CSS 2.1. But are there changes still expected?
  106. # [18:10] <Zakim> +??P30
  107. # [18:10] <Zakim> +TabAtkins
  108. # [18:11] <Bert> CL: I think we can publish. No major changes.
  109. # [18:11] <ChrisL> We are better to publish now and dealwith any changes as lc comments
  110. # [18:11] <Bert> RESOLVED: publish CSS 2.1 as last call
  111. # [18:12] * kennyluck congradulations!
  112. # [18:12] <Zakim> +SteveZ
  113. # [18:12] <Bert> PL: Are all edits in the text?
  114. # [18:12] <Bert> BB: yes.
  115. # [18:12] <Bert> i/RESOLVED/AE: ditto./
  116. # [18:13] <Bert> Topic: Tests
  117. # [18:13] <Bert> Tab: How do we note the failures?
  118. # [18:13] <Bert> DB: I didn't comment on some tests, because I think the tets is correct.
  119. # [18:13] <fantasai> s/tets/test/
  120. # [18:14] <Bert> PL: Other implementers?
  121. # [18:14] <Bert> CL: I did some of the Prince tests.
  122. # [18:14] <dbaron> That said, I think it's a lot easier to prove a test incorrect than to prove a test correct.
  123. # [18:14] <Bert> ... But some problems with building the suite.
  124. # [18:14] <Bert> ... Worked with some old tests.
  125. # [18:14] <Bert> ... So need to check against new ones.
  126. # [18:14] <dbaron> (and the "some tests" I mentioned are those that are tests for features Gecko implements)
  127. # [18:15] <plinss_> http://test.csswg.org/suites/css2.1/20101027.zip
  128. # [18:15] <Bert> PL: RC3 is in harness. SVN head version largely the same.
  129. # [18:15] <Bert> JJ: Yes, same as 1027
  130. # [18:15] * Ms2ger http://ln.hixie.ch/?start=1063663989&count=1
  131. # [18:16] <Bert> PL: What is in RC3 is largely not changed.
  132. # [18:16] <Bert> ... What shows up on blocking page is not yet marked in database.
  133. # [18:16] <Bert> ... What is on wikie *has* been marked.
  134. # [18:17] <Bert> JJ: Do we have updated timeline?
  135. # [18:17] <Ms2ger> s/wikie/wiki/
  136. # [18:17] <Bert> EE: Waiting for some replies from Arron. And a number of comments on MS tests not yet addressed.
  137. # [18:18] <Bert> AE: Probably just lost in the hundreds of pages... I'm going throught hundreds of e-mails, but so far I have zero edits to make.
  138. # [18:19] <Bert> ... Will reply to you as soon as I checked all e-mail. They are not all tagged corectly.
  139. # [18:19] <Bert> ... Will try this week.
  140. # [18:19] <Bert> EE: Any that you didn't change?
  141. # [18:19] <Bert> AE: I've changed all, as far as I know.
  142. # [18:19] <Bert> PL: Everything that is marked as invalid in harness has been chnaged imn RC4?
  143. # [18:20] <Bert> EE: Do you have a link?
  144. # [18:20] <Bert> s/imn/in/
  145. # [18:20] <plinss_> http://test.csswg.org/harness/results?s=CSS21_%HTML_RC3&t=0&f[]=1&f[]=2&f[]=4&f[]=16
  146. # [18:21] <Zakim> +howcome
  147. # [18:21] <Bert> JJ: We can move forward without waiting for Arron's mail, I hope?
  148. # [18:21] <Bert> EE: Let me verify.
  149. # [18:21] <Bert> JJ: Just wanting to streamline the process.
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  151. # [18:23] <Bert> EE: OK, don't need to wait for Arron.
  152. # [18:23] <Bert> ... I'll go through my e-mails.
  153. # [18:23] <Bert> JJ: Yes, Arron can do this, but just no need to block RC4.
  154. # [18:24] <Bert> PL: Only run changed tests, no need to run all tests of RC4. Harness can show that.
  155. # [18:25] <Bert> PL: So we're left with the tests we're blocked on...
  156. # [18:25] <TabAtkins> http://test.csswg.org/suites/css2.1/20101027/html4/font-family-rule-011.htm
  157. # [18:25] <plinss_> http://test.csswg.org/suites/css2.1/20101027/html4/font-family-rule-011.htm
  158. # [18:25] <Bert> TA: Question on one test [see URL]
  159. # [18:25] <Bert> ... Unquoted "default" keyword.
  160. # [18:26] <Bert> ... Is that a keyword in CSS 2?
  161. # [18:26] <oyvind> it's reserved
  162. # [18:26] <Bert> DB: I think it is reserved.
  163. # [18:26] <Bert> ... In the para "If quoting is omitted..."
  164. # [18:26] <ChrisL> reserved for future expansion
  165. # [18:26] <Bert> TA: OK, that's is confusing. We were looking at the syntax.
  166. # [18:27] <Bert> ... It will mean either 'initial' or 'inherit', won't it?
  167. # [18:27] <dbaron> http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/fonts.html#font-family-prop says:
  168. # [18:27] <dbaron> The keywords 'initial' and 'default' are reserved for future use and must also be quoted when used as font names. UAs must not consider these keywords as matching the '<family-name>' type.
  169. # [18:27] <Bert> DB: That is the idea, but not sure we'll actually do it.
  170. # [18:27] <Bert> TA: I think I have all the fonts, but I stil don't get all columns numbered.
  171. # [18:28] <Bert> CL: That is wrong, then.
  172. # [18:28] <Bert> TA: But should we test whether the font works, or whether it bolds?
  173. # [18:28] <Bert> AE: Mail John with the issue.
  174. # [18:29] <Bert> DB: I get all numbers on Chrome.
  175. # [18:29] <Bert> TA: I get some only, this is on Windows.
  176. # [18:29] <Bert> PL: font-family-rule-11 passes in IE and Chrome.
  177. # [18:30] <Bert> ... According to your report.
  178. # [18:30] <Bert> TA: Let me check...
  179. # [18:30] <Bert> ... No, it doesn't. I must have hit the wrong button.
  180. # [18:30] <dbaron> s/DB: I get all numbers on Chrome/DB: I get all numbers in Chrome on Linux/
  181. # [18:30] <Bert> PL: Then I will update the DB accordingly.
  182. # [18:32] <Bert> HL: I talked to Prince. Maybe they can help with run-in, but I have no results yet.
  183. # [18:32] <Bert> PL: We have one pass on most of those.
  184. # [18:32] <Bert> JJ: IE passes about ten of them.
  185. # [18:32] <Bert> TA: I have one more issue:
  186. # [18:32] <TabAtkins> http://test.csswg.org/suites/css2.1/20101027/html4/run-in-breaking-002.htm
  187. # [18:33] <Bert> ... We have the wrong borders. Is that significant?
  188. # [18:34] <Bert> DB: The test asserts line breaking and borders must be correct.
  189. # [18:34] * oyvind wishes reftests could have a link to the ref in <meta>
  190. # [18:34] <Bert> SF: Webkit fails, it seems.
  191. # [18:34] <Bert> BK: Looks right in my webkit...
  192. # [18:35] <Bert> TA: Is there a similar tests without run-in?
  193. # [18:35] <Bert> DB: I'm not sure the border assertion is actually correct.
  194. # [18:35] <Bert> ... It is a ltr run-in and a rtl block. I'll have to check that.
  195. # [18:36] <bradk> I take it back. The missing borders are on the opposite sides of what the text says
  196. # [18:36] <Bert> JJ: Chrome breaking looks correct.
  197. # [18:36] * ChrisL oyvind please say that on the record, not in /me
  198. # [18:36] <Bert> TA: Not sure. Should it be on the other side?
  199. # [18:37] <Bert> BK: Maybe the spec is wrong then.
  200. # [18:37] * oyvind ChrisL, I could send a mail about it?
  201. # [18:38] * ChrisL that would be best, yes
  202. # [18:38] <Bert> TA: We still not pass background intrinsic, but I'll need to study that more carefully first.
  203. # [18:38] <Bert> BK: Contradiction? Test says there should be no border there.
  204. # [18:39] <Bert> DB: I don't think the test is ambiguous. But it may be incorrect.
  205. # [18:39] <Bert> TA: But it says there *should* be baroder between "header" and "Start".
  206. # [18:39] <Bert> DB: Ah yes.
  207. # [18:39] <Bert> s/baroder/border/
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  209. # [18:40] <Bert> PL: Are we agreeing on the spec?
  210. # [18:41] <Bert> DB: I think Chrome is correct. The test assertion needs to be corrected.
  211. # [18:41] <Bert> JJ: IE has a catastrophic break, but if we ignore that, it matches chrome.
  212. # [18:41] <Bert> PL: Does somebody ping Boris about the test?
  213. # [18:41] <Bert> DB: Yes, I will.
  214. # [18:42] <Bert> PL: Any other tests we can review?
  215. # [18:42] <Bert> DB: Says the test dates from before our decision on inheritance.
  216. # [18:43] <Bert> TA: But inheritance is always the document tree. Anything else would be insane.
  217. # [18:43] <Bert> EE; There are sometimes anonymous boxes, that don't exist in the doc tree.
  218. # [18:43] <Bert> s/EE;/EE:/
  219. # [18:43] <Bert> DB: Boris agrees the text about vertical borers in the test is backwards.
  220. # [18:43] <Bert> s/borers/borders/
  221. # [18:44] <dbaron> bz says he can fix the test in svn
  222. # [18:44] * ChrisL stands on a chair to avoid the vertical borers
  223. # [18:44] <Bert> PL: Can we look at the margin collapse tests?
  224. # [18:44] * sylvaing ChrisL, no wonder glazou's back hurts so bad
  225. # [18:45] <dbaron> http://test.csswg.org/suites/css2.1/20101027/html4/bidi-breaking-002.htm
  226. # [18:45] * ChrisL thanks for the ms response on css3-color btw
  227. # [18:45] <Bert> EE: We had resolved that line separator behavior is undefined.
  228. # [18:45] * sylvaing np; sorry we missed it the first round
  229. # [18:45] <Bert> EE: One test fails, but it is a "may."
  230. # [18:46] * ChrisL google missed it too *cough*
  231. # [18:46] <Bert> DB: A bunch of tests without passes. Not sure we can discuss them.
  232. # [18:46] <dbaron> http://test.csswg.org/suites/css2.1/20101027/html4/abspos-non-replaced-width-margin-000.htm
  233. # [18:46] <dbaron> http://test.csswg.org/suites/css2.1/20101027/html4/abspos-replaced-width-margin-000.htm
  234. # [18:46] * sylvaing yeah but they're not evil so it's ok
  235. # [18:47] <Bert> DB: [see URLs]. These are almost exhaustive tests for all combinations. Ref tests.
  236. # [18:47] <Bert> ... We can probably split them and get more passes. But that probably still not leads to 2 passes for all of them.
  237. # [18:48] <Bert> PL: I see reports that IE7 passes, but also that it fails...
  238. # [18:48] <gsnedders> zakim, who's on the phone?
  239. # [18:48] <Zakim> On the phone I see plinss_, johnjan, Tal, kojiishi, David_Baron, bradk, smfr, fantasai, Bert, ChrisL, ??P30, TabAtkins, SteveZ, howcome
  240. # [18:48] <Zakim> johnjan has arronei
  241. # [18:48] <smfr> TabAtkins: not <link rel="alternate" href="http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/layout/reftests/abspos-non-replaced-width-offset-margin.html"> ?
  242. # [18:48] <Bert> TA: Where is the reference? I don't see it linked.
  243. # [18:48] * Bert seems to lose sound
  244. # [18:48] <TabAtkins> smfr: Well, that file doesn't exist at all.
  245. # [18:49] * Bert ... or maybe just from DB
  246. # [18:49] <gsnedders> zakim, what's the code?
  247. # [18:49] <Zakim> the conference code is 78953 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), gsnedders
  248. # [18:49] <plinss_> http://test.csswg.org/suites/css2.1/20101027/html4/reftest.list
  249. # [18:49] <dbaron> http://test.csswg.org/suites/css2.1/20101027/html4/abspos-non-replaced-width-margin-000-ref.htm
  250. # [18:49] <Bert> DB: Add -ref to the URl to find the reference.
  251. # [18:49] <dbaron> http://test.csswg.org/suites/css2.1/20101027/html4/abspos-replaced-width-margin-000-ref.htm
  252. # [18:49] <Bert> PL: Working on improvement to harness. But see the manifest [URL above].
  253. # [18:49] * sylvaing am on the phone too; apparently invisible to Zakim
  254. # [18:50] <Bert> ... Some tests have multiple refs.
  255. # [18:50] <Bert> TA: That doesn't make sense.
  256. # [18:50] <Bert> PL: There are multiple ways to make the same result.
  257. # [18:50] <Bert> DB: Reftests test equivalence between features. There may be more than two equivalent features.
  258. # [18:51] <Bert> PL: Manifest has several lines for same test.
  259. # [18:51] <Bert> DB: But indeed not marked in metadata in the test. Could be reworked, but haven't done it.
  260. # [18:52] <Bert> PL: I'm planning to add links in the wrapper in the harness.
  261. # [18:52] <Bert> ... We'll also have *negative* refs in RC4, what should *not* match.
  262. # [18:52] <Bert> SF: useful to have sometihing in manifest that says there are mutliple refs.
  263. # [18:52] <Bert> EE: Like what?
  264. # [18:53] <Bert> SF: Some keyword I can look for.
  265. # [18:53] <Bert> EE: The manifest has a fixed format. Can put it in the metadata.
  266. # [18:53] <Bert> SF: That would probably be OK.
  267. # [18:53] <Bert> DB: The test we were talking about, I'd like to ask implementers to look at their bugs.
  268. # [18:54] <Bert> SF: It's a complex test. Splitting it out would indeed help.
  269. # [18:54] <Bert> DB: Relatively straightforward to edit test and reference. They are aligned line by line.
  270. # [18:55] <Bert> SF: I'll try to get Hyatt to look at this.
  271. # [18:55] <Bert> JJ: A propos of IE7: IE7 fails.
  272. # [18:57] <Bert> DB: We might soon have two additional tests on the zero-passes list, because one fix I made caused two other tests to now fail.
  273. # [18:57] <Bert> EE: Update to spec in 2007 had not been incorporated in the tests.
  274. # [18:57] <Bert> PL: That will then give us one pass. Still need a second one...
  275. # [18:58] <Bert> TA: I'm willing to try...
  276. # [18:58] <Bert> EE: Hyatt wasn't sure about making the change. Somebody should talk to him.
  277. # [18:59] <fantasai> He didn't want to change margin collapsing code without adequate test coverage
  278. # [18:59] <fantasai> which we didn't have when I talked about it with him last
  279. # [18:59] <Bert> DB: Table background tests: it looks like Opera is very close.
  280. # [18:59] <dbaron> http://test.csswg.org/suites/css2.1/20101027/html4/table-backgrounds-bs-row-001.htm
  281. # [18:59] <Bert> ... Some spacing in horizontal direction only.
  282. # [18:59] <dbaron> http://test.csswg.org/suites/css2.1/20101027/html4/table-backgrounds-bs-rowgroup-001.htm
  283. # [18:59] <Bert> ... While webkit doesn't pass at all.
  284. # [19:00] <Bert> ... Can Opera fix that?
  285. # [19:00] <dbaron> http://test.csswg.org/suites/css2.1/20101027/html4/table-backgrounds-bs-row-001-ref.htm
  286. # [19:00] <Bert> ... I haven't looked at IE.
  287. # [19:00] <dbaron> http://test.csswg.org/suites/css2.1/20101027/html4/table-backgrounds-bs-rowgroup-001-ref.htm
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  289. # [19:00] <Zakim> -bradk
  290. # [19:00] <smfr> sorry, have to run to another mtg
  291. # [19:00] <Bert> HL: You think it is the same issue in both?
  292. # [19:00] <Zakim> -smfr
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  294. # [19:01] <Bert> DB: That is what it looks like, yes.
  295. # [19:01] <Bert> HL: I will take a look at that.
  296. # [19:01] <Zakim> -kojiishi
  297. # [19:01] <Zakim> +??P3
  298. # [19:02] <Zakim> -David_Baron
  299. # [19:02] <Zakim> -SteveZ
  300. # [19:02] <Zakim> -johnjan
  301. # [19:02] <Zakim> -TabAtkins
  302. # [19:02] <Zakim> -ChrisL
  303. # [19:02] <Zakim> -howcome
  304. # [19:02] <Zakim> -fantasai
  305. # [19:02] <Bert> PL: I will work on harness and reftest. It looks like the web spider attack on it is under control.
  306. # [19:02] <Zakim> -??P3
  307. # [19:02] <Zakim> -plinss_
  308. # [19:03] <Zakim> -Bert
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  310. # [19:03] <Bert> zakim, list attendees
  311. # [19:03] <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been plinss_, Tal, David_Baron, kojiishi, bradk, smfr, fantasai, Bert, ChrisL, arronei, TabAtkins, SteveZ, howcome
  312. # [19:04] <Bert> rrsagent, make minutes
  313. # [19:04] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/12/01-CSS-minutes.html Bert
  314. # [19:04] <Bert> rrsagent, make logs public
  315. # [19:04] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, Bert
  316. # [19:05] <Bert> Chair: Peter Linss
  317. # [19:05] <Bert> Meeting: CSS WG telcon
  318. # [19:06] <Bert> rrsagent, make minutes
  319. # [19:06] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/12/01-CSS-minutes.html Bert
  320. # [19:06] <Zakim> -??P30
  321. # [19:07] <Zakim> -Tal
  322. # [19:07] <Zakim> Style_CSS FP()12:00PM has ended
  323. # [19:07] <Zakim> Attendees were plinss_, Tal, David_Baron, kojiishi, bradk, smfr, fantasai, Bert, ChrisL, arronei, TabAtkins, SteveZ, howcome
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  337. # [22:41] <karl> Bert: do you know if there are archives on the Web of the winter mailing list? http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-international/1996AprJun/0001
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  341. # [23:24] <smfr> fantasai: i'm confused by http://test.csswg.org/source/contributors/fantasai/submitted/css2.1/backgrounds/background-intrinsic-004.htm
  342. # [23:24] <smfr> (which fails in webkit)
  343. # [23:41] * smfr sends mail instead
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