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  41. # [06:28] <dbaron> hmmm, up to 27 now
  42. # [06:28] <dbaron> is that a record?
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  72. # [17:23] <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/03/02-css-irc
  73. # [17:24] <glazou> Zakim, this will be Style
  74. # [17:24] <Zakim> ok, glazou; I see Style_CSS FP()12:00PM scheduled to start in 41 minutes
  75. # [17:24] <glazou> RRSAgent, make logs public
  76. # [17:24] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, glazou
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  81. # [17:59] <Zakim> Style_CSS FP()12:00PM has now started
  82. # [17:59] <Zakim> +dsinger
  83. # [18:00] * dsinger_ zakim, mute dsinger
  84. # [18:00] * Zakim sorry, dsinger_, muting is not permitted when only one person is present
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  86. # [18:01] <johnjan> zakim, microsoft is johnjan
  87. # [18:01] <Zakim> sorry, johnjan, I do not recognize a party named 'microsoft'
  88. # [18:01] <dsinger_> zakim, who is here?
  89. # [18:01] <Zakim> On the phone I see dsinger
  90. # [18:01] <Zakim> On IRC I see johnjan, dsinger_, sylvaing, bradk, shan, RRSAgent, Zakim, glazou, homata_, Ms2ger, karl, davve, myakura, arronei, lhnz, jgraham, jdaggett, fantasai, hober,
  91. # [18:01] <Zakim> ... CSSWG_LogBot, plinss, krijnh, gsnedders, Hixie, Bert, TabAtkins, trackbot
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  93. # [18:02] * dsinger_ zakim doesn't seem to think you are called in...
  94. # [18:03] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  95. # [18:03] <arronei> zakim, microsoft is me
  96. # [18:03] <Zakim> +arronei; got it
  97. # [18:03] * dsinger_ zakim, mute dsinger
  98. # [18:03] * Zakim dsinger should now be muted
  99. # [18:03] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  100. # [18:04] <Zakim> +??P44
  101. # [18:04] <johnjan> zakim, microsoft is johnjan
  102. # [18:04] <Zakim> +johnjan; got it
  103. # [18:04] <glazou> Zakim, ?P44 is me
  104. # [18:04] <Zakim> sorry, glazou, I do not recognize a party named '?P44'
  105. # [18:04] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  106. # [18:04] <glazou> Zakim, ??P44 is me
  107. # [18:04] <Zakim> +glazou; got it
  108. # [18:04] <sylvaing> Zakim, [Microsoft] has sylvaing
  109. # [18:04] <Zakim> +sylvaing; got it
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  111. # [18:04] <Zakim> +bradk
  112. # [18:04] * dsinger_ morning all from your muted friend
  113. # [18:05] <Zakim> +??P53
  114. # [18:06] <Zakim> + +1.561.024.aaaa
  115. # [18:06] * dsinger_ what does Mtn view have to offer to compete with sailing on the fjord? Skateboarding on central expressway?
  116. # [18:06] <shan> Zakim, ??P53 is me
  117. # [18:06] <Zakim> +shan; got it
  118. # [18:06] <cesar> zakim, aaaa is me
  119. # [18:06] <Zakim> +cesar; got it
  120. # [18:07] * glazou looks at new i7 MacBookPros and thinks "yummy"
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  122. # [18:08] <Zakim> +fantasai
  123. # [18:08] * dsinger_ thunderbolts a go!
  124. # [18:08] <Zakim> +smfr
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  126. # [18:09] <glazou> dsinger_: lol
  127. # [18:09] <cesar> Is anyone using SIP? Neither zakim@voip.w3.org or 123@voip.w3.org are working for me (and my SIP configuration seems to be right, since I'm calling through it to the Boston number).
  128. # [18:09] <glazou> cesar: yes
  129. # [18:09] <glazou> works for me
  130. # [18:09] <glazou> but cuts every 15mins apparently, no idea why
  131. # [18:10] <glazou> cesar: most probably a bad config on your side if 123 does not answer
  132. # [18:10] <cesar> I see. I'll have to investigate further.
  133. # [18:10] <glazou> Zakim, who is here?
  134. # [18:10] <Zakim> On the phone I see dsinger (muted), arronei, johnjan, glazou, [Microsoft], bradk, shan, cesar, fantasai, smfr
  135. # [18:10] <Zakim> [Microsoft] has sylvaing
  136. # [18:10] <Zakim> On IRC I see dbaron, smfr, cesar, oyvind, johnjan, dsinger_, sylvaing, bradk, shan, RRSAgent, Zakim, glazou, homata_, Ms2ger, karl, davve, myakura, arronei, lhnz, jgraham,
  137. # [18:10] <Zakim> ... jdaggett, fantasai, hober, CSSWG_LogBot, plinss, krijnh, gsnedders, Hixie, Bert, TabAtkins, trackbot
  138. # [18:10] <Zakim> +Bert
  139. # [18:10] <dbaron> I'm getting "this passcode is not valid"
  140. # [18:10] * Bert too, had to try a couple of times
  141. # [18:11] <dbaron> I tried about 10 times
  142. # [18:11] <glazou> dbaron: use SIP?
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  144. # [18:11] <Zakim> -bradk
  145. # [18:11] <Zakim> +plinss
  146. # [18:11] * bradk got dropped!
  147. # [18:12] <Zakim> +bradk
  148. # [18:12] * dbaron Zakim, code?
  149. # [18:12] * Zakim saw 78953 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479) given for the conference code, dbaron
  150. # [18:12] * dsinger_ the effrontery of zakim, refusing dbaron and dropping brad!
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  152. # [18:12] <glazou> Zakim, you're painful
  153. # [18:12] <Zakim> I don't understand 'you're painful', glazou
  154. # [18:12] <fantasai> ScribeNick: fantasai
  155. # [18:13] <fantasai> glazou: F2F meeting next week
  156. # [18:13] * howcome can't get into telcon
  157. # [18:13] <fantasai> glazou: 3 items for today: CSS2.1 Issues, the F2F itself, Tokyo F2F + workshop
  158. # [18:13] <fantasai> glazou: Unclear to me if there is anything we should spend on 2.1 now
  159. # [18:13] <fantasai> glazou: since we are going to meet f2f next week
  160. # [18:13] <fantasai> glazou: Let's start with next week's agenda and agenda items
  161. # [18:13] <fantasai> glazou: thoughts?
  162. # [18:13] <fantasai> <silence>
  163. # [18:13] <fantasai> Bert: Let's do f2f
  164. # [18:14] <Zakim> +howcome
  165. # [18:14] <fantasai> Topic: F2F Topics and Agenda
  166. # [18:14] * TabAtkins Sorry, I'm in a conflicting meeting. Here in IRC, just not phone.
  167. # [18:14] <Zakim> +[Mozilla]
  168. # [18:14] * sylvaing thinks TabAtkins is in a conflicting online game...
  169. # [18:14] <fantasai> glazou: Several people sent arrival and departure information to mailing list. If you haven't yet, please do so so dbaron can compile the attendance list
  170. # [18:14] * dbaron Zakim, [Mozilla] is dbaron
  171. # [18:14] * Zakim +dbaron; got it
  172. # [18:15] <fantasai> glazou: Anything else people should note for Monday morning?
  173. # [18:15] <fantasai> dbaron: Don't think so. Put 9am on the meeting page.
  174. # [18:15] <fantasai> glazou: Some ppl interested in dinner plans for Sunday. Let's try to gather somewhere, we'll discuss through email on Sunday.
  175. # [18:16] * sylvaing has a fond memory of the chinese place we went to at the Cupertino meeting last year.
  176. # [18:16] <fantasai> http://wiki.csswg.org/planning/mountain-view-2011
  177. # [18:16] <fantasai> glazou: We have a few options here. We could start discussing agenda now, or keep as 1st item for Monday morning
  178. # [18:17] <fantasai> glazou: It's helpful to note which days people are around. I believe John is leaving early, on Tuesday evening
  179. # [18:17] <fantasai> dbaron: I copied data from the wiki onto meeting page, along with information sent via meeting survey and email
  180. # [18:17] <dbaron> http://www.w3.org/Style/Group/2011/MountainView#participants
  181. # [18:17] <fantasai> 'http://www.w3.org/Style/Group/2011/MountainView
  182. # [18:18] <fantasai> glazou: John, since you're mostly the only one who won't make all three days, which items do you want to addressed during your time?
  183. # [18:18] <fantasai> johnjan: CSS2.1
  184. # [18:18] <fantasai> sylvaing: Markus and Phil are coming in to discuss layout on Tuesday, would be best to put related topics all on Tuesday
  185. # [18:18] * sylvaing wow, 27 attendees
  186. # [18:19] * fantasai knows! Never seen so many for a CSSWG meeting..
  187. # [18:19] <Zakim> -glazou
  188. # [18:19] <dbaron> glazou, you dropped off
  189. # [18:19] * dsinger_ zakim, who is here?
  190. # [18:19] * Zakim sees on the phone: dsinger (muted), arronei, johnjan, [Microsoft], shan, cesar, fantasai, smfr, Bert, plinss, bradk, howcome, dbaron
  191. # [18:19] * Zakim [Microsoft] has sylvaing
  192. # [18:19] * Zakim sees on irc: howcome, dbaron, smfr, cesar, oyvind, johnjan, dsinger_, sylvaing, bradk, shan, RRSAgent, Zakim, glazou, homata_, karl, davve, myakura, arronei, lhnz, jgraham,
  193. # [18:19] * Zakim ... jdaggett, fantasai, hober, CSSWG_LogBot, plinss, krijnh, gsnedders, Hixie, Bert, TabAtkins, trackbot
  194. # [18:19] <Zakim> +??P70
  195. # [18:19] * dbaron Zakim, ??P70 is glazou
  196. # [18:19] * Zakim +glazou; got it
  197. # [18:19] * sylvaing it's not going to be dinner reservation. it's going to be a restaurant reservation.
  198. # [18:19] <fantasai> glazou: Can you describe what you want to discuss for multi-col?
  199. # [18:20] <fantasai> howcome: Want to get closure on the pseudo-algorithm
  200. # [18:20] <fantasai> glazou: If you would add to the wiki the time you would need for that...
  201. # [18:20] <fantasai> glazou: Everybody please add estimated times for your topics
  202. # [18:21] <fantasai> glazou: A couple of NTT participants didn't send information, maybe Koji can follow up.
  203. # [18:21] <fantasai> dbaron: There are four participants registered from NTT
  204. # [18:21] <fantasai> Topic: CSS2.1
  205. # [18:21] <fantasai> glazou: John, you sent a long email listing blocking issues
  206. # [18:22] <fantasai> glazou: You list 5 blocking tests
  207. # [18:22] <glazou> http://test.csswg.org/suites/css2.1/20110111/html4/quotes-035.htm
  208. # [18:22] <fantasai> John's email:
  209. # [18:22] <dbaron> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-css-testsuite/2011Jan/0095.html
  210. # [18:22] <fantasai> I believe we should get as much of CSS2.1 complete before the Face-2-Face as we can. Ideally, I think we all agree that we should spend only a short time during the face-to-face making sure we're complete on CSS2.1. If we leave too many open issues until then, we will run over which will be detrimental to the remaining agenda items.
  211. # [18:22] <fantasai> To that end, I think we should use the conference call tomorrow to discuss Blocking Tests and Spec Issues. It would probably be best if everyone reviewed these ahead of time as well, so we can effectively discuss on the phone. I'm including a list of the blocking tests and spec issues below.
  212. # [18:22] <fantasai> The remaining blocking tests look like this:
  213. # [18:22] <fantasai> Quotes-35: http://test.csswg.org/suites/css2.1/20110111/html4/quotes-035.htm
  214. # [18:22] <fantasai> Status: Gecko passes.
  215. # [18:22] <fantasai> ACTION: Howcome: Where is Opera on their fixes? If it's not fixed in their nightlies, I propose we remove the test. Address in errata.
  216. # [18:22] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  217. # [18:22] * RRSAgent records action 1
  218. # [18:22] <trackbot> Created ACTION-299 - Where is Opera on their fixes? If it's not fixed in their nightlies, I propose we remove the test. Address in errata. [on Håkon Wium Lie - due 2011-03-09].
  219. # [18:23] <fantasai> Replaced-intrinsic-ratio-001: http://test.csswg.org/suites/css2.1/20110111/html4/replaced-intrinsic-ratio-001.htm
  220. # [18:23] <fantasai> Status: No passes.
  221. # [18:23] <fantasai> ACTION: I propose we remove the test. Address in errata.
  222. # [18:23] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  223. # [18:23] <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - I
  224. # [18:23] * RRSAgent records action 2
  225. # [18:23] <fantasai> Forced-page-break-000: http://test.csswg.org/suites/css2.1/20110111/html4/forced-page-breaks-000.htm
  226. # [18:23] <fantasai> Status: Prince passes.
  227. # [18:23] <fantasai> ACTION: I propose we remove the test. Address in errata.
  228. # [18:23] * RRSAgent records action 3
  229. # [18:23] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  230. # [18:23] <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - I
  231. # [18:23] <fantasai> Orphans-004a: http://test.csswg.org/suites/css2.1/20110111/html4/orphans-004a.htm
  232. # [18:23] <fantasai> Status: Trident and Prince pass this test.
  233. # [18:23] <fantasai> ACTION: Why is the test in the test harness different from the one above? I propose we simply use the old test.
  234. # [18:23] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  235. # [18:23] <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Why
  236. # [18:23] * RRSAgent records action 4
  237. # [18:23] <fantasai> Bidi-004a: Does not exist. Bidi-004: http://test.csswg.org/suites/css2.1/20110111/html4/bidi-004.htm
  238. # [18:23] <fantasai> Status: Trident Passes.
  239. # [18:23] <fantasai> ACTION: If Prince or WebToPdf do not pass, I propose we remove the test. Address in errata.
  240. # [18:23] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  241. # [18:23] * RRSAgent records action 5
  242. # [18:23] <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - If
  243. # [18:23] <fantasai> The remaining Spec issues look like this:
  244. # [18:23] <fantasai> 60 - Sylvain and Bert Edit
  245. # [18:23] <fantasai> 142 - Bert Edit
  246. # [18:23] <fantasai> 153 - Bert Edit
  247. # [18:23] <fantasai> 159 - Bert Edit
  248. # [18:23] <fantasai> 181 - Bert Edit
  249. # [18:23] <fantasai> 192 - Tab - Summarize
  250. # [18:23] <fantasai> 197 - Closed
  251. # [18:23] <fantasai> 198 - Closed
  252. # [18:23] <fantasai> 199 - ALL REVIEW
  253. # [18:23] <fantasai> 204 - NEEDS PROPOSAL. I suggest we move to Errata.
  254. # [18:24] <fantasai> 205 - NEEDS DISCUSSION. I suggest we move to Errata.
  255. # [18:24] <fantasai> 206 - Bert needs to respond.
  256. # [18:24] <fantasai> 207 - NEEDS DISCUSSION. I suggest we move to Errata (clearance is under-spec'd).
  257. # [18:24] <fantasai> 208 - NEEDS DISCUSSION. I suggest we move to Errata.
  258. # [18:24] <fantasai> 209 - Closed
  259. # [18:24] <smfr> should someone kick fantasai?
  260. # [18:24] <fantasai> 210 - Bert Edit
  261. # [18:24] <dbaron> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-css-testsuite/2011Jan/0095.html
  262. # [18:24] <fantasai> 211 - DBaron made a proposal. Approve? Bert Edit
  263. # [18:24] <fantasai> 212 - NEEDS DISCUSSION. I suggest we leave it as is.
  264. # [18:24] <fantasai> 213 - Bert Edit
  265. # [18:24] <fantasai> 214 - Closed
  266. # [18:24] <fantasai> 215 - Bert Edit
  267. # [18:24] <fantasai> 216 - Bert Edit
  268. # [18:24] <fantasai> 218 - Bert Edit
  269. # [18:24] <fantasai> 219 - Fantasai - Proposal.
  270. # [18:24] <fantasai> 220 - Bert Edit
  271. # [18:24] <fantasai> 221 - Bert Edit
  272. # [18:24] <fantasai> 222 - Trivial. Suggest to leave as is.
  273. # [18:24] <fantasai> 223 - Trivial. Suggest to leave as is.
  274. # [18:24] <fantasai> 224 - Fantasai - review
  275. # [18:24] * dsinger_ aagh I am drowning in paste!
  276. # [18:24] <fantasai> glazou: First item is quotes-035
  277. # [18:24] <fantasai> glazou: Only one browser passes: Gecko
  278. # [18:24] <fantasai> johnjan: last I looked at this, someone mentioned was only a couple small fixes
  279. # [18:24] <fantasai> johnjan: but if they're not made, we should remove the test
  280. # [18:25] <Zakim> -Bert
  281. # [18:25] <fantasai> dbaron: It's a very comprehensive test, so we should just simplify the test a bit instead of removing it
  282. # [18:25] <fantasai> dbaron: Also if we are making those things undefined, we should make them a SHOULD and say that they will be defined in a future level
  283. # [18:25] <Zakim> +Bert
  284. # [18:26] <fantasai> ?: Who edits that test?
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  286. # [18:26] <fantasai> (The test belongs to hixie.)
  287. # [18:26] * fantasai wonders if the paste has finished yet
  288. # [18:28] <fantasai> fantasai: Do we have any contact with the developer responsible at Opera?
  289. # [18:28] <glazou> http://test.csswg.org/suites/css2.1/20110111/html4/replaced-intrinsic-ratio-001.htm
  290. # [18:28] <fantasai> No, we only have bugs filed in the tracker, nobody has talked to the developer who knows the code.
  291. # [18:28] <fantasai> johnjan: I think we should just remove it, not rely on Opera to fix it.
  292. # [18:29] <fantasai> dbaron: I've been working on that fix this week.
  293. # [18:29] <fantasai> glazou: That's only one implementation.
  294. # [18:29] <fantasai> smfr: I haven't had time to work on this.
  295. # [18:29] <fantasai> glazou: Do you think you will have time to work on this?
  296. # [18:30] <fantasai> smfr: No
  297. # [18:30] <fantasai> glazou: So we should remove the test
  298. # [18:30] <fantasai> fantasai: So what are we going to do, put in the spec that the behavior of SVG is undefined?
  299. # [18:31] <TabAtkins> Officially, it is.
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  301. # [18:31] <TabAtkins> We know what it *should* say, but it's not present in SVG at the moment.
  302. # [18:31] <TabAtkins> I move for "undefined, but with a note about the expected behavior once SVG is updated appropriately".
  303. # [18:32] <fantasai> SVG doesn't need an update, Tab. Our spec needs to say that the sizing of replaced elements with an intrinsic ratio and no width or height is undefined.
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  305. # [18:32] <fantasai> Because that's what the test is testing.
  306. # [18:32] <fantasai> sylvaing: So where are we moving the definition to?
  307. # [18:32] <TabAtkins> Ah, right, just a ratio. Sorry. Yeah, undefined.
  308. # [18:32] <Zakim> +[Apple]
  309. # [18:32] <Zakim> -dsinger
  310. # [18:32] <TabAtkins> It should be in Image Values, imo.
  311. # [18:33] <fantasai> yes
  312. # [18:33] <dsinger> zakim, [apple] has dsinger
  313. # [18:33] <Zakim> +dsinger; got it
  314. # [18:33] <fantasai> RESOLVED: Sizing of replaced elements with intrinsic ratio but no width or height (i.e. scalable SVG) is UNDEFINED in CSS2.1.
  315. # [18:33] <Zakim> -glazou
  316. # [18:34] <fantasai> ACTION: fantasai write a proposal to remove the definition!
  317. # [18:34] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  318. # [18:34] * RRSAgent records action 6
  319. # [18:34] <trackbot> Created ACTION-300 - Write a proposal to remove the definition! [on Elika Etemad - due 2011-03-09].
  320. # [18:34] <Zakim> +??P6
  321. # [18:34] * dbaron Zakim, ??P6 is glazou
  322. # [18:34] * Zakim +glazou; got it
  323. # [18:34] <glazou> http://test.csswg.org/suites/css2.1/20110111/html4/forced-page-breaks-000.htm
  324. # [18:34] <fantasai> johnjan: Prince passes this test
  325. # [18:35] <fantasai> Does Web2PDF pass?
  326. # [18:35] <fantasai> plinss: We have a pass.
  327. # [18:36] <glazou> http://test.csswg.org/suites/css2.1/20110111/html4/orphans-004a.htm
  328. # [18:36] <fantasai> johnjan: orphans-004a is different now in the harness than in the last suite
  329. # [18:37] <fantasai> plinss: Web2PDF and Prince pass 004a
  330. # [18:38] <plinss> http://test.csswg.org/suites/css2.1/nightly-unstable/html4/orphans-004a.htm
  331. # [18:38] <fantasai> plinss: The link pasted is RC5, the harness is running on the nightly builds
  332. # [18:38] <fantasai> glazou: Do we have passes for 004b?
  333. # [18:38] <fantasai> plinss: Opera, IE, and Web2PDF
  334. # [18:38] <fantasai> johnjan: bidi-004
  335. # [18:39] <fantasai> http://test.csswg.org/suites/css2.1/nightly-unstable/html4/bidi-004a.htm
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  337. # [18:42] <fantasai> ACTION: fantasai remove remaining white-space processing portion of test
  338. # [18:42] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  339. # [18:42] * RRSAgent records action 7
  340. # [18:42] <trackbot> Created ACTION-301 - Remove remaining white-space processing portion of test [on Elika Etemad - due 2011-03-09].
  341. # [18:42] <fantasai> glazou: Still have issues that need editing. Bert?
  342. # [18:42] <fantasai> glazou: Will you be able to make the edits before the F2F?
  343. # [18:42] <fantasai> Bert: I got stuck on the first two, sent messages to the mailing list.
  344. # [18:43] <fantasai> Bert: Not sure I can finish all of them, but should have a story any remaining ones
  345. # [18:43] * dbaron notes he has to leave at 10am sharp for another meeting
  346. # [18:43] * sylvaing also wants to talk about issue-60 if possible
  347. # [18:44] <fantasai> glazou asks about 206
  348. # [18:45] <fantasai> Bert explains that the lexer is not context-sensitive, which is why there is only one token
  349. # [18:45] <johnjan> http://wiki.csswg.org/spec/css2.1#issue-206
  350. # [18:45] <fantasai> http://wiki.csswg.org/spec/css2.1#issue-60
  351. # [18:45] <fantasai> sylvaing: That was the big z-index issue with Anton Prowse
  352. # [18:45] <fantasai> sylvaing: We agreed on the resolution
  353. # [18:46] <fantasai> sylvaing: Bert changed things in the edits
  354. # [18:46] <fantasai> sylvaing: Anton disagreed with some of the edits
  355. # [18:46] <fantasai> sylvaing: But it went in anyway
  356. # [18:46] <fantasai> sylvaing: In the process of checking the edits, fantasai noticed some problems
  357. # [18:46] <fantasai> sylvaing: Rather than editing this further, I think we should revert to the original proposal
  358. # [18:47] <fantasai> sylvaing: I'm not comfortable messing with this so close to finishing the spec
  359. # [18:48] <fantasai> fantasai: I don't mind working from Bert's version, as long as the errors are fixed and Anton approves the result.
  360. # [18:48] <Zakim> -glazou
  361. # [18:48] <Zakim> +??P2
  362. # [18:48] <Zakim> -??P2
  363. # [18:49] <Zakim> +??P2
  364. # [18:49] <glazou> Zakim, ??P2 is me
  365. # [18:49] <Zakim> +glazou; got it
  366. # [18:49] * sylvaing also missed Anton's latest. Double doh.
  367. # [18:49] <fantasai> fantasai: So, Bert, I suggest you work on Issue 60 first, go through the messages I posted and Anton posted to the mailing list on the review and address all of the comments there.
  368. # [18:49] <fantasai> fantasai: Then post the editor's draft to the mailing list and ask Anton to review and suggest any further edits he feels necessary
  369. # [18:50] <johnjan> http://wiki.csswg.org/spec/css2.1#issue-222
  370. # [18:50] <Zakim> -bradk
  371. # [18:50] * bradk bumped again
  372. # [18:50] <fantasai> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2011Feb/0329.html
  373. # [18:51] <fantasai> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2011Feb/0409.html
  374. # [18:51] <fantasai> (z-index review)
  375. # [18:51] * sylvaing can see Anton's email on the archive, didn't arrive in my mail client. Uh.
  376. # [18:51] <glazou> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009Oct/0027.html
  377. # [18:51] <Zakim> +bradk
  378. # [18:52] <johnjan> http://wiki.csswg.org/spec/css2.1#issue-223
  379. # [18:52] <Zakim> -bradk
  380. # [18:52] <Zakim> +bradk
  381. # [18:54] <dbaron> I think "further content" means "content after the float's placeholder"
  382. # [18:55] <fantasai> johnjan: Should we work on another issue, or assign people to work on issues?
  383. # [18:55] <fantasai> glazou: If the issues require a lot of time to discuss, it may delay things again.
  384. # [18:56] <cesar> This is probably a stupid question, but... in order to call Zakim using SIP, do I just have to enter zakim@voip.w3.org instead of a phone number in my SIP client?
  385. # [18:56] <fantasai> http://wiki.csswg.org/spec/css2.1#issue-204
  386. # [18:56] <glazou> cesar: yes
  387. # [18:56] <cesar> Hmmm...
  388. # [18:56] <glazou> cesar: you on mac ?
  389. # [18:57] <cesar> Yes. Indeed, now I've joined the telcon using X-Lite, but calling to the usual phone number.
  390. # [18:57] <glazou> cesar: use Telephone from the Mac App Store, works great with SIP
  391. # [18:57] <glazou> (even if I keep being disconnected after 15mns, probably a weak implem of SIP timeouts)
  392. # [18:58] <cesar> I've tried too, with no success: I get an "Address not found" error when I enter a SIP address instead of a number.
  393. # [18:58] <glazou> cesar: then your SIP server is not correctly configured
  394. # [18:59] <cesar> :(
  395. # [19:01] <fantasai> Issues 204 and 205 assumed editorial;.
  396. # [19:01] <fantasai> 207 deferred to F2F (clearance)
  397. # [19:03] <fantasai> Meeting closed.
  398. # [19:03] <Zakim> -dbaron
  399. # [19:03] <Zakim> -johnjan
  400. # [19:03] <Zakim> -smfr
  401. # [19:03] * dsinger have a great meeting, guys. I will miss you
  402. # [19:03] <Zakim> -howcome
  403. # [19:03] <Zakim> -glazou
  404. # [19:03] <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
  405. # [19:03] <Zakim> -arronei
  406. # [19:03] <Zakim> -fantasai
  407. # [19:03] <Zakim> -shan
  408. # [19:03] <Zakim> -cesar
  409. # [19:03] <Zakim> -plinss
  410. # [19:03] <Zakim> -[Apple]
  411. # [19:03] <Zakim> -bradk
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  413. # [19:03] <Zakim> -Bert
  414. # [19:03] <Zakim> Style_CSS FP()12:00PM has ended
  415. # [19:03] <Zakim> Attendees were dsinger, arronei, johnjan, glazou, sylvaing, bradk, +1.561.024.aaaa, shan, cesar, fantasai, smfr, Bert, plinss, howcome, dbaron
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  418. # [19:04] <glazou> johnjan: see /query
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  420. # [19:11] <fantasai> TabAtkins: does WebKit have the equivalent of http://mxr.mozilla.org/ ?
  421. # [19:12] <fantasai> (i.e. searching the codebase)
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  424. # [19:14] <TabAtkins> fantasai: http://google.com/codesearch?vert=chromium
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  443. # [23:00] <dbaron_> fantasai, is the right thing to do with the original quotes-035.htm to move it back to incoming/ but otherwise with the same path?
  444. # [23:01] <dbaron_> (and then I'd make the new one as, say, quotes-035a)
  445. # [23:02] <dbaron_> fantasai, or maybe it should remain as a 'should' test?
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  450. # [23:30] <fantasai> dbaron_: I'd leave it as a should test
  451. # [23:31] <dbaron_> fantasai, yep, I did that
  452. # [23:31] * fantasai did that with bidi-004
  453. # [23:31] <fantasai> because I think the test is valuable to have, and it's already there...
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  459. # [23:36] <dbaron_> Our upcoming meeting has attendees with family names beginning with all letters of the alphabet in the range A-O.
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