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  43. # [17:07] <hober> Is there a telcon today?
  44. # [17:08] <hober> nvm
  45. # [17:10] <TabAtkins> hober: Never a telcon the week after a ftf.
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  48. # [17:13] <hober> TabAtkins: yeah, smfr just let me know
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  51. # [17:13] * dsinger_ no call today, right?
  52. # [17:13] <TabAtkins> Yes.
  53. # [17:14] * dsinger_ thx
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  64. # [17:44] <TabAtkins> fantasai: Once again, thank you for the defined logical directions. "line-left" and "line-right" just let me drop some confusing prose where I was duplicating instructions for ltr and rtl.
  65. # [17:44] <TabAtkins> Now I have to decide if I really mean "before", or "over".
  66. # [17:45] <TabAtkins> I guess bullets should look like they align with the first line, so I want "over", right?
  67. # [17:45] * TabAtkins assumes this is true and writes accordingly.
  68. # [17:48] <TabAtkins> Actually, hm, I don't really want to use "line-*" here, I want start/end. Previous I had directionality problems, but that's been fixed. I do still probably want "over" instead of "before", though.
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  89. # [19:31] <fantasai> TabAtkins: for deciding which line to put the bullets on? You definitely want before. That's the first line
  90. # [19:31] <fantasai> TabAtkins: Or rather, "first" :)
  91. # [19:31] <fantasai> TabAtkins: If you want to fuss with vertical-alignment within the line, then over/under might be useful...
  92. # [19:31] * fantasai isn't sure what you're doing
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  94. # [19:34] <TabAtkins> fantasai: I decided that what I really wanted was baseline of the first line, anyway.
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  96. # [19:36] <fantasai> TabAtkins: which baseline?
  97. # [19:36] * fantasai still has no idea what you're trying to do
  98. # [19:37] <fantasai> if you want to vertical-align the bullet, you should probably center it
  99. # [19:37] <fantasai> I tihnk that's what WebKit does
  100. # [19:37] <fantasai> and imo it makes the most sense
  101. # [19:37] <TabAtkins> No, that's definitely bad. I want digits to be baseline, for example.
  102. # [19:38] <TabAtkins> And bullet characters are at the appropriate height from the baseline already.
  103. # [19:38] <fantasai> ah
  104. # [19:38] <fantasai> maybe that was for images, then
  105. # [19:38] <TabAtkins> Hmm, I need to investigate that.
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  110. # [22:01] <arno> the position of some glyphs relative to the baseline varies from typeface to typeface, unfortunately
  111. # [22:02] <arno> it's useful to have a mechanism to adjust the baseline for bullets in list
  112. # [22:02] <arno> so that they are optically aligned with the first line of text
  113. # [22:02] <arno> regardless of the glyph you pick as a "bullet"
  114. # [22:05] <arno> The Keynote app from Apple does this pretty well, for example. When defining a bullet list, you can specify the glyph to use as a bullet, along with an "Align" property that modifies the baseline up or down and a "Size" property which specifies a scaling factor to apply to the bullet (again, depending on the typeface, the glyph may need to be enlarged (or more rarely, reduced)) to be optically balanced with the rest of the text
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  120. # [22:35] <TabAtkins> arno: Yeah, you can always specify vertical-align on ::marker.
  121. # [22:36] <TabAtkins> Hm, to make that work properly I'll need to change my wording a bit...
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  123. # [22:37] <TabAtkins> (Also, could you mention my name when you talk in this room? I've got this room configured to not alert me unless my name is mentioned, and I rarely check it manually. I just got lucky this time.)
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