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  42. # [14:48] <glazou> Bert: ping
  43. # [14:49] <glazou> (salut à tous)
  44. # [14:49] <Bert> Bonjour Daniel
  45. # [14:49] <glazou> hi Bert
  46. # [14:50] <glazou> did you see the msg I just sent about Namespaces ?
  47. # [14:50] <Bert> No, not yet. Looking for it now...
  48. # [14:53] <glazou> I think we really need of answer officially to 1st and 4th issues
  49. # [14:53] <glazou> s/of/to
  50. # [14:54] <glazou> and decide about the second one
  51. # [14:54] <glazou> (even if we say "not now, errata mode"
  52. # [14:55] <Bert> Peter Moulder seems active on www-style regularly, we should be able to ask him directly. Addison Phillips has been very quiet on all lists he was on, not sure he can be contacted rapidly.
  53. # [14:55] <glazou> let's try
  54. # [14:55] <glazou> given the long time between CR date and now, I think a transition call probably has to address those comments even if they are outside of the 3 official months
  55. # [14:56] <glazou> Peter's msg is important
  56. # [14:56] <glazou> and Addison's deserves an official answer
  57. # [14:56] <glazou> Anne's changes about duplicate namespace declarations were accepted but I think the edits were never made
  58. # [14:56] <glazou> what do we do ?
  59. # [14:56] <glazou> what's the impact if we make the changes ? on spec ? on test suite ?
  60. # [14:56] <glazou> can we defer to post-REC ?
  61. # [14:58] <glazou> Bert: I need to run in 5mins from now, but I think it's worth adding this to today's agenda
  62. # [14:58] <Bert> We should be able to edit that without needing a new WD, I think. Or does it expliciutly contradict the current spec?
  63. # [14:59] <glazou> Peter's request is only a clarification IMHO
  64. # [14:59] <glazou> we never intended to allow whitespace around vertical bar in namespaces
  65. # [14:59] <Bert> I think we can solve that quickly enough at the telcon.
  66. # [14:59] <glazou> yep
  67. # [14:59] <glazou> let's do that
  68. # [15:01] <glazou> if we close on that, let's shoot for another transition call :-)
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  85. # [17:32] <glazou> Zakim, this will be Style
  86. # [17:32] <Zakim> ok, glazou; I see Style_CSS FP()12:00PM scheduled to start in 31 minutes
  87. # [17:32] <glazou> RRSAgent, make logs public
  88. # [17:32] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, glazou
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  93. # [17:59] <Zakim> Style_CSS FP()12:00PM has now started
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  95. # [17:59] <Zakim> + +1.206.527.aaaa
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  97. # [18:00] <Zakim> +dsinger
  98. # [18:00] * dsinger_ zakim, mute dsinger
  99. # [18:00] * Zakim dsinger should now be muted
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  102. # [18:00] <Zakim> +??P20
  103. # [18:00] <Zakim> +??P29
  104. # [18:00] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  105. # [18:00] <glazou> Zakim, ?P29 is me
  106. # [18:00] <Zakim> sorry, glazou, I do not recognize a party named '?P29'
  107. # [18:00] <glazou> Zakim, ??P29 is me
  108. # [18:00] <Zakim> +glazou; got it
  109. # [18:01] <Zakim> +plinss
  110. # [18:01] <Zakim> +??P36
  111. # [18:01] <sylvaing> Zakim, [Microsoft] is sylvaing
  112. # [18:01] <Zakim> +sylvaing; got it
  113. # [18:01] <jdaggett> zakim, ?p20 is me
  114. # [18:01] <Zakim> sorry, jdaggett, I do not recognize a party named '?p20'
  115. # [18:01] <jdaggett> zakim, ??P20 is me
  116. # [18:01] <Zakim> +jdaggett; got it
  117. # [18:01] <Zakim> +hober
  118. # [18:01] <Zakim> +??P39
  119. # [18:01] * dsinger_ so, p20, 29, 36...what is the sequence?
  120. # [18:01] <Zakim> +ChrisL
  121. # [18:02] * jdaggett skype
  122. # [18:02] <danielweck> Zakim, ??P39 is me
  123. # [18:02] <Zakim> +danielweck; got it
  124. # [18:02] <glazou> dsinger_: we're not the only ones starting a conf call on zakim right now I presume...
  125. # [18:02] * ChrisL @dsinger ascending numeric across all telcons not just this one
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  130. # [18:03] <ChrisL> zakim, status?
  131. # [18:03] <Zakim> I don't understand your question, ChrisL.
  132. # [18:03] <Zakim> +[Mozilla]
  133. # [18:03] * ChrisL fail
  134. # [18:03] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  135. # [18:03] * dbaron Zakim, [Mozilla] is dbaron
  136. # [18:03] <Zakim> +bradk
  137. # [18:03] * Zakim +dbaron; got it
  138. # [18:03] <Zakim> -danielweck
  139. # [18:03] <dsinger_> zakim, who is here?
  140. # [18:03] <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.206.527.aaaa, dsinger (muted), jdaggett, glazou, sylvaing, plinss, ??P36, hober, ChrisL, dbaron, [Microsoft], bradk
  141. # [18:03] <Zakim> On IRC I see JohnJan, oyvind, dbaron, mihara, stearns, kojiishi, bradk, dsinger_, danielweck, kennyluck, RRSAgent, Zakim, sylvaing, myakura, krijnh, hober, jdaggett, ChrisL,
  142. # [18:03] <JohnJan> Zakim, microsoft has johnjan
  143. # [18:03] <Zakim> ... glazou, karl, arronei, homata_, shepazu, davve`, plinss, fantasai, Hixie, Bert, TabAtkins, jgraham, gsnedders, trackbot, CSSWG_LogBot
  144. # [18:03] <Zakim> +johnjan; got it
  145. # [18:03] <arronei> zakim, microsoft has me
  146. # [18:03] <stearns> Zakim, +1.206.527.aaa is me
  147. # [18:03] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
  148. # [18:03] <Zakim> +arronei; got it
  149. # [18:03] * dsinger_ I am ok
  150. # [18:03] <Zakim> +stearns; got it
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  152. # [18:04] <Zakim> -glazou
  153. # [18:04] <JohnJan> zakim, microsoft has johnjan
  154. # [18:04] <Zakim> +johnjan; got it
  155. # [18:04] <Zakim> +??P51
  156. # [18:04] <kojiishi> zakim, ??P51 is me
  157. # [18:04] * dbaron has been away from email the past 2 days
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  159. # [18:04] <Zakim> +kojiishi; got it
  160. # [18:04] * jdaggett dbaron: win big?
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  162. # [18:04] <stearns> Zakim, mute me
  163. # [18:04] * dbaron no
  164. # [18:05] * jdaggett :(
  165. # [18:05] * dbaron sees fantasai walk in to the office
  166. # [18:05] * dsinger_ shouldn't take a few minutes to read both the emails that arrived in those two days...
  167. # [18:05] <Zakim> stearns should now be muted
  168. # [18:05] * TabAtkins will be there in just a sec...
  169. # [18:05] <Zakim> +duga
  170. # [18:05] * sylvaing I wish email would stay away from me for 2 days
  171. # [18:05] <glazou> Zakim, you lag where am I?
  172. # [18:05] <Zakim> +??P29
  173. # [18:05] <glazou> ah
  174. # [18:05] <glazou> Zakim, ??P29 is me
  175. # [18:06] * Bert just joined. Zakim doesn't know me anymore?
  176. # [18:06] * dbaron thinks Zakim is slow
  177. # [18:06] <glazou> Zakim, who is on the phone ?
  178. # [18:06] * dsinger_ zakim need coffee,
  179. # [18:06] <glazou> dsinger_: not only zakim
  180. # [18:06] <Zakim> I don't understand your question, glazou.
  181. # [18:06] <glazou> lol
  182. # [18:06] <Zakim> +[Sophia]
  183. # [18:07] <glazou> dbaron: let's wait for her
  184. # [18:07] <Zakim> +glazou; got it
  185. # [18:07] * Bert guesses there is nobody else from Sophia, so that would be me, then...
  186. # [18:07] <fantasai> zakim, who is here?
  187. # [18:07] <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
  188. # [18:07] <Zakim> + +975183aabb
  189. # [18:07] <jdaggett> ouch
  190. # [18:07] <jdaggett> stop that
  191. # [18:07] <Zakim> On the phone I see stearns (muted), dsinger (muted), jdaggett, sylvaing, plinss, ??P36, hober, ChrisL, dbaron, [Microsoft], bradk, [Microsoft.a], kojiishi, duga, glazou, [Sophia],
  192. # [18:07] * dsinger_ cheeep?
  193. # [18:07] <Zakim> ... [IPcaller], +975183aabb
  194. # [18:07] <Zakim> [Microsoft] has johnjan
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  196. # [18:08] * dbaron hears fantasai with an echo
  197. # [18:08] * dsinger_ who is p36? Joined at the hour...
  198. # [18:08] <fantasai> ScribeNick: fantasai
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  200. # [18:08] <Zakim> +SteveZ
  201. # [18:08] <Zakim> On the phone I see stearns (muted), dsinger (muted), jdaggett, sylvaing, plinss, ??P36, hober, ChrisL, dbaron, [Microsoft], bradk, [Microsoft.a], kojiishi, duga, glazou, [Sophia],
  202. # [18:08] <Zakim> ... [IPcaller], +975183aabb, SteveZ
  203. # [18:08] <fantasai> glazou: CSS3 Namespaces, EPUB CSS Profile, Multi-Col, anything else to add to agenda?
  204. # [18:09] <Zakim> [Microsoft] has johnjan
  205. # [18:09] <fantasai> TOpic: Administrative
  206. # [18:09] <cesar> I'm on the phone, too. Again, I don't know who I am. ;)
  207. # [18:09] <fantasai> glazou: ELika mentioned CSS3 Writing Modes
  208. # [18:09] <Zakim> + +1.650.214.aacc
  209. # [18:09] * fantasai doesn't know either
  210. # [18:09] <Bert> zakim, Sophia is me
  211. # [18:09] <Zakim> On IRC I see TabAtkins_, Cathy, cesar, duga, JohnJan, oyvind, dbaron, mihara, stearns, kojiishi, bradk, dsinger_, danielweck, kennyluck, RRSAgent, Zakim, sylvaing, myakura, krijnh,
  212. # [18:09] <Zakim> ... hober, jdaggett, ChrisL, glazou, karl, arronei, homata_, shepazu, plinss, fantasai, Hixie, Bert, TabAtkins, jgraham, gsnedders, trackbot, CSSWG_LogBot
  213. # [18:09] <Zakim> +Bert; got it
  214. # [18:10] <fantasai> glazou: Discussed inviting Anton Prowse to WG. Peter and I discussed already. He demonstrates already good expertise on CSS.
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  216. # [18:10] <fantasai> fantasai, dbaron, arron in favor.
  217. # [18:10] <fantasai> several: Let's do it.
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  219. # [18:10] <fantasai> Steve: At one point the group was very small, now it's much larger.
  220. # [18:10] <fantasai> Steve: What's the criteria for inviting experts?
  221. # [18:10] <fantasai> glazou: Bringing more expertise into the WG.
  222. # [18:10] <dsinger_> Who does he work for? Just to be sure it's not a company who could join
  223. # [18:10] <fantasai> glazou: Anton is a very sharp reviewer of our specs. Would be very useful.
  224. # [18:11] <fantasai> glazou: dsinger, that's a good point, we have to check that.
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  226. # [18:11] <fantasai> glazou: Provided he is able to join, Peter and I will do necessary steps to invite him.
  227. # [18:11] <fantasai> Topic: F2F meeting
  228. # [18:11] <fantasai> glazou: First thing, we need to start gathering agenda items.
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  230. # [18:11] <fantasai> glazou: There's a wiki for that, please add items.
  231. # [18:12] <fantasai> glazou: Next thing is location. I step aside from discussion, only listening
  232. # [18:12] <fantasai> Bert: Didn't we say 2 weeks rather than 1wk?
  233. # [18:12] <fantasai> Steve: I think we said we'd have a decision by next week.
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  235. # [18:12] <fantasai> sylvaing: I posted a poll to the csswg internal list
  236. # [18:12] <fantasai> sylvaing: we have ? answers, which is good.
  237. # [18:12] <fantasai> sylvaing: 3 cannot come to any location
  238. # [18:12] <fantasai> sylvaing: Leaves 19
  239. # [18:12] <fantasai> sylvaing: 2 guys would go anywhere but are undecided
  240. # [18:12] <fantasai> sylvaing: so 17 attendees confirmed
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  243. # [18:13] <fantasai> sylvaing: Number 1 location with maximum number is US at 16, Europe is 15
  244. # [18:13] <fantasai> sylvaing: Non-Japa Asia is 14
  245. # [18:13] <fantasai> sylvaing: Osaka or Kyoto is 13
  246. # [18:13] <fantasai> sylvaing: Tokyo is 12
  247. # [18:13] * smfr can't dial in: "the conference is full"
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  249. # [18:13] <fantasai> sylvaing: We already have space in Tokyo, Sophia in Europe
  250. # [18:13] <glazou> smfr: D'OH !!!!
  251. # [18:13] <ChrisL> zakim, who is here?
  252. # [18:13] <Zakim> On the phone I see stearns (muted), dsinger (muted), jdaggett, sylvaing, plinss, ??P36, hober, ChrisL, dbaron, [Microsoft], bradk, [Microsoft.a], kojiishi, duga, glazou, Bert,
  253. # [18:14] <Zakim> ... [IPcaller], +975183aabb, SteveZ, +1.650.214.aacc
  254. # [18:14] <Zakim> [Microsoft] has johnjan
  255. # [18:14] <Zakim> On IRC I see Evan, smfr, howcome, arronei, alexmog, JohnJan_, TabAtkins_, Cathy, cesar, duga, oyvind, dbaron, mihara, stearns, kojiishi, bradk, dsinger_, danielweck, kennyluck,
  256. # [18:14] <Zakim> ... RRSAgent, Zakim, sylvaing, myakura, krijnh, hober, jdaggett, ChrisL, glazou, karl, homata_, shepazu, plinss, fantasai, Hixie, Bert, TabAtkins, jgraham, gsnedders, trackbot,
  257. # [18:14] <fantasai> sylvaing: so need to consider also the workshop in Tokyo and other things.
  258. # [18:14] <Zakim> ... CSSWG_LogBot
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  260. # [18:14] <fantasai> Steve: Do we have a host in Japan outside of Tokyo?
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  262. # [18:14] * hober smfr: are you in the office?
  263. # [18:14] <fantasai> sylvaing: we can't
  264. # [18:14] <fantasai> glazou: Koji sent an email about that an hour ago
  265. # [18:14] <fantasai> tab: Looking at options, nothing nailed down.
  266. # [18:14] <fantasai> Steve: Didn't need something nailed down until next week.
  267. # [18:15] * glazou notes for Bert : ask for an increase of slots fort CSS calls
  268. # [18:15] <fantasai> Koji: We have places available, just evaluating which ones are better for transportation.
  269. # [18:15] <glazou> smfr: sorry for that :-(
  270. # [18:15] <fantasai> sylvaing: Who's hosting? Who's paying for lunches, etc.
  271. # [18:15] * howcome can't join telcon -- full?
  272. # [18:15] <glazou> howcome: apparently !!! dunno where it comes from
  273. # [18:15] <fantasai> Koji: Haven't confirmed ... place fee, several are free (MS, university)
  274. # [18:15] <stearns> I will drop so howcome can get in
  275. # [18:15] <glazou> ChrisL: anything doable now ?
  276. # [18:15] <Zakim> -stearns
  277. # [18:15] <ChrisL> Redmond would be fine for me
  278. # [18:15] <fantasai> Koji: not sure about lunches etc.
  279. # [18:15] <glazou> thanks stearns !
  280. # [18:16] <fantasai> jdaggett: If we go to Kyoto, and we don't have a clear sponsor of the meeting, but we're sort of coordinating with groups that can provide a meeting space
  281. # [18:16] <fantasai> jdaggett: Are we ok having a meeting where everyone goes dutch?
  282. # [18:16] <ChrisL> glazou i will ask sysreq to increase the number of slots. but that won't help today
  283. # [18:16] <fantasai> Steve, Tab: sounds ok
  284. # [18:16] <ChrisL> i can dro to les someone else in
  285. # [18:16] <glazou> ChrisL: ok
  286. # [18:16] <ChrisL> zakim, drop me
  287. # [18:16] <Zakim> ChrisL is being disconnected
  288. # [18:16] <Zakim> -ChrisL
  289. # [18:16] <Zakim> + +47.21.65.aadd
  290. # [18:16] <glazou> smfr: try now
  291. # [18:17] * howcome is in
  292. # [18:17] <fantasai> Brad asks why not Tokyo, given only one person would make Kyoto rather than Tokyo
  293. # [18:17] * dbaron Zakim, aadd is howcome
  294. # [18:17] * Zakim +howcome; got it
  295. # [18:17] <dsinger_> It does sound as if we lose only one person BECAUSE it is Tokyo...
  296. # [18:17] <fantasai> Brad: Seems ppl not wanting to go to Tokyo, almost all just can't go to Japan
  297. # [18:18] <fantasai> Sylvain: Steve was not comfortable with Tokyo.
  298. # [18:18] <fantasai> sylvaing: Didn't get an answer from Bert
  299. # [18:18] <fantasai> Tab: Howcome said he can't come, schedule-wise.
  300. # [18:18] <ChrisL> CSS WG is set for 20 participants; i wil ask for increase to 25. should happen for next week but not this call
  301. # [18:18] <ChrisL> http://www.w3.org/Guide/1998/08/teleconference-calendar#s_1160
  302. # [18:19] <fantasai> Bert: No to Tokyo, yes to everything else
  303. # [18:19] <fantasai> jdaggett: So Tokyo vs. Kyoto is we pick up Steve and Bert if we go to Kyoto
  304. # [18:19] <fantasai> jdaggett: I think that's important to point out
  305. # [18:19] <fantasai> Tab: If we must go outside of Tokyo, I really don't want to go outside Japan, because we will miss out on workshop
  306. # [18:19] <fantasai> Tab: and the attendees there.
  307. # [18:19] <Zakim> +smfr
  308. # [18:20] * glazou notes we decided on tokyo BEFORE the japanese people pinged us for the workshop
  309. # [18:20] <fantasai> jdaggett: I'm uncomfortable with uncertainty of coordination in Kyoto
  310. # [18:20] <fantasai> jdaggett: Don't have solid logistics in place
  311. # [18:20] <fantasai> sylvaing: We have another week to confirm everything.
  312. # [18:20] <fantasai> sylvaing: If everyone is comfortable going dutch, then I can coordinate with Koji on hosting.
  313. # [18:20] <fantasai> jdaggett: So you can have a location, but just not sponsor meals.
  314. # [18:20] <fantasai> sylvaing: Right.
  315. # [18:21] <fantasai> sylvaing: Have the space, just a matter of coordinating logistics, access on Saturday, etc.
  316. # [18:21] <fantasai> kojiishi: Other than the place, what do I need to prepare? Just lunch?
  317. # [18:21] <ChrisL> network
  318. # [18:21] <fantasai> jdaggett: We just decided that we will share the cost, so that just means coordinating for the lunch meals, but that shouldn't be most of your problem.
  319. # [18:21] <dsinger_> Lunch in Kyoto center is easy
  320. # [18:22] <fantasai> kojiishi: Seems people prefer Kyoto instead of Osaka. Thanks to MS we have Osaka place.
  321. # [18:22] <dsinger_> We have had moeg and bluray there
  322. # [18:22] <fantasai> kojiishi: I will look for Kyoto place
  323. # [18:22] <fantasai> some discussion of availability of venues
  324. # [18:22] <glazou> Zakim, who is noisy?
  325. # [18:22] <fantasai> jdaggett: Confirm with network access.
  326. # [18:23] <Zakim> glazou, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: kojiishi (100%)
  327. # [18:23] <fantasai> jdaggett: Conditions we have are, we need location that has good network access -- not a lot of blocked ports
  328. # [18:23] <fantasai> jdaggett: And a projector
  329. # [18:23] <glazou> kojiishi: your telephone does _a lot_ of noise
  330. # [18:23] <fantasai> sylvaing: And we need access on Saturday
  331. # [18:23] <fantasai> sylvaing: I'll get you details for room in Osaka, and we'll finalize that next week.
  332. # [18:24] <ChrisL> also please note that SVG WG had also settled on Japan, and wanted a shared day with CSS WG
  333. # [18:24] <fantasai> Steve: Given we need at least another day for the workshop, would people in Japan feel more comfortable in Kyoto or Osaka?
  334. # [18:24] <ChrisL> is that still feasible, wherever the CSS WG ends up?
  335. # [18:24] <fantasai> kojiishi: Since most companies are based in Tokyo, we're thinking to have first day a week before in Tokyo
  336. # [18:24] <glazou> wow
  337. # [18:24] <fantasai> kojiishi: Then bring people who want to speak with WG west
  338. # [18:24] <mihara> I can ask my company, NTT to pay for the place in Kyoto but not sure about lunch.
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  340. # [18:25] <ChrisL> lunch is entirely optional. noproblem to get our own lunch
  341. # [18:25] <fantasai> Steve: Interpretation of going dutch is that all of us would be happy to contribut to cost of lunch, but it's much better logistically if we can get it catered
  342. # [18:25] <fantasai> jdaggett: Yeah, we just ordered boxed lunches
  343. # [18:25] <fantasai> Steve: Yes, that means we can get over lunch faster
  344. # [18:26] <ChrisL> yes, downside to going to a restaurant for lunch is that the break becomes 1.5 hours or so
  345. # [18:26] <fantasai> sylvaing: At this point are we cancelling F2F in Tokyo, or do we need to think about that?
  346. # [18:26] <fantasai> Steve: Since I'm one of the swing votes, I finally hears some good news in the papers.
  347. # [18:26] <fantasai> Steve: In the end, if we don't find good solution in Osaka or Kyoto, I'm willing to go to Tokyo.
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  349. # [18:26] <fantasai> Steve: And my wife says I'm crazy (yelling in background)
  350. # [18:27] <fantasai> Steve: More comfortable with Kyoto/Osaka, but willing to go to Tokyo.
  351. # [18:27] <Zakim> -dsinger
  352. # [18:27] <Zakim> +[Apple]
  353. # [18:27] <dsinger> zakim, [apple] has dsinger
  354. # [18:27] <Zakim> +dsinger; got it
  355. # [18:27] <fantasai> sylvaing: Ok, so we're settled on Japan
  356. # [18:28] * Bert checked when the zakim booking was last increased: that was only 5 months ago, in Nov, from 15 to 20 slots.
  357. # [18:28] <fantasai> glazou: Anything else for F2F?
  358. # [18:28] <fantasai> sylvaing: We'll make final decision Tokyo vs South next week
  359. # [18:28] <fantasai> glazou: Ok, next item. CSS2.1
  360. # [18:28] <fantasai> Topic: CSS2.1
  361. # [18:28] <fantasai> glazou: First, reminder to tell your AC rep about the testimonial.
  362. # [18:28] * ChrisL @bert i asked for an increase to 25 about 10 minutes ago
  363. # [18:29] * Bert to chris: yes, seen.
  364. # [18:29] <fantasai> glazou: Deadline is a couple days before Consortium release the REC
  365. # [18:29] <fantasai> glazou: A few messages about the DoC
  366. # [18:29] <fantasai> http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css2-src/issues-lc-2011.html
  367. # [18:30] <fantasai> glazou: Issue 225
  368. # [18:30] <Zakim> -??P36
  369. # [18:31] <fantasai> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2011Apr/0132.html
  370. # [18:31] <Zakim> +??P5
  371. # [18:31] <danielweck> Zakim, ??P5 is me
  372. # [18:31] <Zakim> +danielweck; got it
  373. # [18:31] <ChrisL> has anyone pinged hyatt? I see some replies from him are missing
  374. # [18:32] <danielweck> (got dropped from VoIP)
  375. # [18:32] * dsinger much heavy breathing??
  376. # [18:32] <jdaggett> zakim, who is noisy?
  377. # [18:32] * dsinger maybe mute if you have a cold...
  378. # [18:32] <Zakim> jdaggett, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: SteveZ (4%), +1.650.214.aacc (10%), sylvaing (39%), kojiishi (4%)
  379. # [18:32] <glazou> I bet on SteveZ
  380. # [18:32] <hober> ChrisL: I
  381. # [18:32] * jdaggett yeah, that sounds right...
  382. # [18:32] <hober> ChrisL: I'll ping hyatt
  383. # [18:34] * glazou test ; is IRC down just for me?
  384. # [18:35] <dsinger> zakim, who is noisy?
  385. # [18:35] <Zakim> dsinger, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: [Apple] (5%), SteveZ (49%), [IPcaller] (15%), sylvaing (5%), dbaron (8%)
  386. # [18:35] <plinss> zakim, mute Darth Vader
  387. # [18:35] <Zakim> I don't understand 'mute Darth Vader', plinss
  388. # [18:36] <fantasai> fantasai: Don't have a response from Anton yet on whether the proposal is ok
  389. # [18:36] <fantasai> dbaron: I think you should remove "If the element has children"
  390. # [18:36] <fantasai> dbaron: Otherwise I'm happy with it.
  391. # [18:36] <fantasai> arronei: I've looked at it, and I think this now more consistent with what we have in 8.3.1, so I think this is actually pretty good.
  392. # [18:36] <fantasai> arronei: Agree about comment on children
  393. # [18:36] * dbaron Zakim, mute SteveZ
  394. # [18:36] * Zakim SteveZ should now be muted
  395. # [18:37] <fantasai> glazou: Does the change imply any change to the test suite?
  396. # [18:37] <fantasai> arronei, fantasai: no
  397. # [18:37] <fantasai> glazou: Then let's resolve pending Anton's approval.
  398. # [18:38] <fantasai> plinss states a concern with Anton replying before Friday
  399. # [18:39] <fantasai> discussion of colors in DoC
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  402. # [18:41] * dsinger suggests Bert finds the official color list and tell us what it is...
  403. # [18:41] <fantasai> yellow should be gray
  404. # [18:42] <fantasai> RESOLVED: Proposal accepted for 225 pending Anton's approval.
  405. # [18:42] <fantasai> Second issue is from Olaf
  406. # [18:42] * dsinger can someone post a link to the issue/question?
  407. # [18:42] <fantasai> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2010Dec/0204.html
  408. # [18:42] <dsinger> well, not on the display surface (which might not exist).
  409. # [18:43] <fantasai> plinss: We're not redefining mm or cm, we're just saying that the UA doesn't have to make the mm unit match actual millimeters
  410. # [18:43] <fantasai> glazou: One of the responses in the thread should be a good response.
  411. # [18:43] <fantasai> ...
  412. # [18:43] <dsinger> it is an inch if the image was at normal viewing distance...
  413. # [18:44] <TabAtkins_> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2010Dec/0206.html
  414. # [18:45] <fantasai> glazou: Should we adopt dsinger's answer as the official answer
  415. # [18:45] <fantasai> ?
  416. # [18:45] <fantasai> RESOLVED: dsinger's answer adopted as official
  417. # [18:45] <fantasai> ACTION: glazou respond to mailing list on this issue
  418. # [18:45] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  419. # [18:45] * RRSAgent records action 1
  420. # [18:45] <trackbot> Created ACTION-315 - Respond to mailing list on this issue [on Daniel Glazman - due 2011-04-13].
  421. # [18:45] <fantasai> Topic: Requests to publish
  422. # [18:46] <fantasai> glazou: We have four requests: CSS3 Speech, CSS3 Text, CSS3 Writing Modes
  423. # [18:46] <fantasai> jdaggett: Writing Modes was not sent to lists ahead of time
  424. # [18:47] <fantasai> jdaggett: I think we should defer that to next week.
  425. # [18:47] <fantasai> glazou: np
  426. # [18:47] <fantasai> glazou: Please everyone review that spec before the call.
  427. # [18:47] <danielweck> http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-speech/#changes
  428. # [18:47] <fantasai> glazou: What is the status of CSS3 Speech?
  429. # [18:47] <fantasai> dweck: Has anyone looked at changes since 2004?
  430. # [18:47] * dbaron Zakim, unmute SteveZ
  431. # [18:47] * Zakim SteveZ should no longer be muted
  432. # [18:47] <fantasai> dweck: Since we last spoke about CSS3 Speech and following discussions on www-style, there are 3 remaining issues
  433. # [18:48] <fantasai> dweck: 1 is trivial, 2 others may be contentious.
  434. # [18:48] <fantasai> dweck: Should be able to reach consensus as a WG.
  435. # [18:48] * glazou oh, is danielweck a native french speaker ???
  436. # [18:48] <fantasai> dweck: According to what I've heard, the phonemes issue, is that phonemes breaks content vs style
  437. # [18:49] <fantasai> danielweck: The other changes that have been made since 2004 deserve a new WD for review. We are not ready for LC.
  438. # [18:49] <fantasai> glazou: I see the issues are detailed in the spec itself.
  439. # [18:49] <fantasai> danielweck: Yes, they are in the spec and linked to Tracker
  440. # [18:49] <fantasai> glazou: Wonderful. I think WD is fine by me
  441. # [18:49] <fantasai> glazou: other opinions?
  442. # [18:49] <fantasai> fantasai: in favor of publishing
  443. # [18:49] <fantasai> Bert: in favor
  444. # [18:49] <fantasai> glazou: no objection?
  445. # [18:50] <fantasai> RESOLVED: Publish WD of CSS3 Speech.
  446. # [18:50] <fantasai> danielweck: Let me know if there's anything else to do
  447. # [18:50] <fantasai> ACTION: Bert publish CSS3 Speech as WD
  448. # [18:50] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  449. # [18:50] * RRSAgent records action 2
  450. # [18:50] <trackbot> Created ACTION-316 - Publish CSS3 Speech as WD [on Bert Bos - due 2011-04-13].
  451. # [18:50] <fantasai> glazou: CSS3 Text
  452. # [18:52] <dbaron> so a text-decoration spec would cover text-decoration-*, text-shadow, text-emphasis-*, and text-underline-position ?
  453. # [18:52] * glazou loves highly productive CSS conf calls like this one...
  454. # [18:53] * glazou just lost one ear... sigh
  455. # [18:53] <fantasai> fantasai explains the draft
  456. # [18:54] <fantasai> howcome wants the script-specific values put in another draft
  457. # [18:54] <fantasai> fantasai doesn't think this makes any sense at atll
  458. # [18:55] <fantasai> glazou: Is this something that we can discuss in the future, or something you feel is a blocker to publishing the WD
  459. # [18:55] <fantasai> howcome: Those values have been published in the WD already. it's not a blocker as such
  460. # [18:56] <fantasai> glazou: I don't think the issue is closed.
  461. # [18:57] <fantasai> howcome: I think script specific values should be removed. There should be an issue in the spec
  462. # [18:57] <fantasai> Steve: You'd have to remove text-transform: uppercase | lowercase
  463. # [18:57] <fantasai> howcome: I fear we're going down the route of list-style-type
  464. # [18:58] <fantasai> Tab: we fixed list-style-type
  465. # [18:58] <fantasai> Tab: It's author-definable now
  466. # [18:58] <fantasai> Tab: But there are still a few types that need pre-definition
  467. # [18:58] <fantasai> Tab: The things in this draft are similar
  468. # [18:58] <fantasai> Steve: The question is when to introduce a keyword vs. have a mechanism for author definition
  469. # [18:59] <fantasai> glazou: This is getting off-topic.
  470. # [18:59] <fantasai> glazou: The issue here is releasing a WD.
  471. # [18:59] <fantasai> glazou: howcome, can we get an email explaining the issue
  472. # [19:00] <fantasai> howcome: I will do it this week
  473. # [19:00] <fantasai> glazou: Anyone else objecting to publishing the WD?
  474. # [19:00] * dsinger regrets he has to leave early to go to another meeting
  475. # [19:00] <Zakim> -[Apple]
  476. # [19:00] <fantasai> Brad asks about splitting the draft.
  477. # [19:00] <fantasai> RESOLVED: Publish WD for CSS3 Text.
  478. # [19:01] <fantasai> jdaggett: I'm not at all convinced that having a separate spec for text-decoration is a good idea. But we can discuss that later.
  479. # [19:01] <Zakim> -danielweck
  480. # [19:01] <cesar> I've been disconnected by my VoIP client. I'm sorry!
  481. # [19:01] <danielweck> me too !
  482. # [19:01] <fantasai> glazou: We will revisit CSS3 Text next week
  483. # [19:01] <Zakim> +??P1
  484. # [19:01] <danielweck> Zakim, ??P1 is me
  485. # [19:02] <Zakim> +danielweck; got it
  486. # [19:02] <fantasai> glazou: CSS3 Namespaces. Good news is we now have implementation reports, FF4 and IE9 pass all tests
  487. # [19:02] <fantasai> glazou: Meaning we can transition to PR.
  488. # [19:02] <fantasai> glazou: We have a few comments between date of CR and now
  489. # [19:02] <fantasai> glazou: Some of them have to be addressed.
  490. # [19:02] <fantasai> glazou: We need to document the answers etc.
  491. # [19:02] <fantasai> glazou: Provided that I think we are in good shape for another REC
  492. # [19:02] <ChrisL> there was a mention on wg list of a couple new tests, not in test suite?
  493. # [19:02] <Zakim> + +90500083aaee
  494. # [19:02] <fantasai> glazou: Top of the hour
  495. # [19:03] <cesar> Zakim, aaee is me
  496. # [19:03] <Zakim> +cesar; got it
  497. # [19:03] <cesar> (I suppose) ;)
  498. # [19:03] <fantasai> glazou: [something about tests from Alan Gresley]
  499. # [19:03] <Zakim> -dbaron
  500. # [19:03] <fantasai> Meeting closed.
  501. # [19:03] <Zakim> -smfr
  502. # [19:03] <Zakim> -jdaggett
  503. # [19:03] <Zakim> -kojiishi
  504. # [19:03] <Zakim> -hober
  505. # [19:03] <Zakim> -[Microsoft.a]
  506. # [19:03] <Zakim> -duga
  507. # [19:03] <Zakim> -howcome
  508. # [19:03] <Zakim> -glazou
  509. # [19:03] <Zakim> -cesar
  510. # [19:03] <Zakim> -SteveZ
  511. # [19:03] <glazou> woof
  512. # [19:03] <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
  513. # [19:03] <Zakim> -Bert
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  515. # [19:03] <Zakim> -plinss
  516. # [19:03] <Zakim> -bradk
  517. # [19:03] <Zakim> - +1.650.214.aacc
  518. # [19:03] <Zakim> -danielweck
  519. # [19:03] <Zakim> -sylvaing
  520. # [19:03] <glazou> ChrisL: alan will contribute them to our tests
  521. # [19:03] <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
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  523. # [19:04] <glazou> ChrisL: elika replied
  524. # [19:04] <glazou> ChrisL: what about the charter ?
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  527. # [19:05] <Zakim> - +975183aabb
  528. # [19:05] <Zakim> Style_CSS FP()12:00PM has ended
  529. # [19:05] <Zakim> Attendees were +1.206.527.aaaa, dsinger, glazou, plinss, sylvaing, jdaggett, hober, ChrisL, danielweck, bradk, dbaron, johnjan, [Microsoft], arronei, stearns, kojiishi, duga,
  530. # [19:05] <Zakim> ... [IPcaller], +975183aabb, SteveZ, +1.650.214.aacc, Bert, +47.21.65.aadd, howcome, smfr, +90500083aaee, cesar
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  542. # [19:26] <fantasai> CSS2.1 issues list updated for 255 and 286
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  544. # [19:30] <oyvind> fantasai, 273 still has class="d"
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  548. # [19:34] <fantasai> oyvind: Fixed, will check in soon
  549. # [19:34] <fantasai> dbaron: I'm still waiting for a response on issue 211
  550. # [19:34] <fantasai> http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css2-src/issues-lc-2011.html#issue-211
  551. # [19:35] * fantasai thinks using gray for both "Deferred" and "Rejected" is a bad idea
  552. # [19:37] * hober likes your current color scheme
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  555. # [20:07] <fantasai> I should just make everything green.
  556. # [20:07] <fantasai> Then nobody will complain.
  557. # [20:07] <fantasai> And if I make it different shades of green, I can still tell which is which.
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