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  21. # [17:53] <fantasai> Bert: How do we publish the Snashots?
  22. # [17:54] <Bert> Hi fantasai. I think tomorrow is the last publication day until May 24.
  23. # [17:55] <Bert> Were we planning to publish both snapshots?
  24. # [17:57] <fantasai> yes
  25. # [17:57] <Bert> Hmm, already too late for this week. Next opportunity is May 24.
  26. # [17:58] <fantasai> What!
  27. # [17:58] <fantasai> :(
  28. # [17:58] <Bert> requests for tomorrow were due last Friday.
  29. # [17:59] <fantasai> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-css-wg/2011AprJun/0275.html
  30. # [17:59] <fantasai> I guess sending in that email last Wednesday was to late, then
  31. # [17:59] <fantasai> ://
  32. # [18:00] <Bert> Sorry, I didn't think about the AC publication stop,
  33. # [18:01] <fantasai> So what do we have to do to get these published on May 24th?
  34. # [18:01] <Bert> Send in a request. :-) We can send the request now.
  35. # [18:02] <fantasai> Yeah, but don't we have to do something to the status section?
  36. # [18:02] <fantasai> it's not a WD
  37. # [18:03] <Bert> Yes, but I'll have to check the pubrules for what is special about Notes.
  38. # [18:03] <Bert> Probably not much, though.
  39. # [18:04] <Bert> -> http://services.w3.org/xslt?xmlfile=http%3A%2F%2Fservices.w3.org%2Ftidy%2Ftidy%3FpassThroughXHTML%3D1%26docAddr%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fdev.w3.org%252Fcsswg%252Fcss-2007%252F&xslfile=http%3A%2F%2Fservices.w3.org%2Fxslt%3Fxmlfile%3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2005%2F07%2Fpubrules%253Fuimode%253Dchecker_full%2526year%253D0001%2526docstatus%253Dwg-note-tr%2526rectrack%253Dyes%2526prevrec%253Dnone%2526patpol%253Dw3c%2526normative%253Dyes%2526uri%253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%252
  40. # [18:04] <Bert> Hmm, did that work?
  41. # [18:04] <fantasai> nope
  42. # [18:05] * fantasai tries
  43. # [18:05] <Bert> It has the boilerplate text:
  44. # [18:05] <Bert> Publication as a Working Group Note does not imply endorsement by the W3C Membership. This is a draft document and may be updated, replaced or obsoleted by other documents at any time. It is inappropriate to cite this document as other than work in progress.
  45. # [18:05] <Bert> Which isn't all that different from a WD.
  46. # [18:05] <fantasai> um
  47. # [18:05] <fantasai> but is it a draft?
  48. # [18:06] <fantasai> we published a couple WDs already
  49. # [18:06] <fantasai> is there an LC process for notes or something?
  50. # [18:06] <Bert> A Note is by definition not stable. But we are expected to add in our own words what we really mean by publishing a Note.
  51. # [18:07] <Bert> No, no LC for notes.
  52. # [18:07] <fantasai> So
  53. # [18:07] <fantasai> You can't ever cite a Note as anything other than a work in progress
  54. # [18:07] <fantasai> ?
  55. # [18:07] <Bert> Correct
  56. # [18:07] <fantasai> But a REC, which in many cases is more likely to change in response to errata,
  57. # [18:07] <fantasai> is not a work in progress
  58. # [18:07] <fantasai> ?
  59. # [18:11] <Bert> Notes can means many things: a first draft when it is not yet certain it will become a WD, a temporary stop in development, a definitive stop in development (when the WG ceases to exist, e.g.), or just something interesting that the WG wants to publish...
  60. # [18:12] <fantasai> hm, ok
  61. # [18:12] * fantasai doesn't think it makes sense to mark this as unstable, personally but can't argue with pubrules, can we
  62. # [18:13] <fantasai> maybe we should just leave it as a WD indefinitely...
  63. # [18:14] <fantasai> since that has roughly the same status message anyway :)
  64. # [18:16] <Bert> Our WDs indeed sometimes stay longer without an update than some Notes, but still the expectation is that a WD will eventually turn into something else, either a Note or a Rec.
  65. # [18:16] <fantasai> hm, true
  66. # [18:19] <Bert> So can you think of some text that expresses that the WG considers the snapshots done?
  67. # [18:19] <Bert> Or should I try something?
  68. # [18:19] <fantasai> Not without contradicting the status boilerplate?
  69. # [18:19] <fantasai> :)
  70. # [18:20] <fantasai> "Despite the abovementioned boilerplate, the WG does not consider this a work in progress and expects this note to be done."
  71. # [18:20] <fantasai> I'll think of something more subtle. :)
  72. # [18:20] <Bert> :-)
  73. # [18:20] <fantasai> This whole document is very subtle.
  74. # [18:20] <fantasai> heh
  75. # [18:22] <fantasai> So
  76. # [18:22] <fantasai> do we have a status mode for Notes, or do I edit the post-processor output to put the right stylesheet etc.?
  77. # [18:23] <Bert> I believe the boilerplate for Notes is in the post-processor. let me check...
  78. # [18:24] <Bert> Yes, it should work.
  79. # [18:25] <fantasai> How do I tell it to make a note?
  80. # [18:25] <fantasai> Change WD to NOTE in the URL?
  81. # [18:25] <Bert> Use "NOTE" instead of "WD" in the URL.
  82. # [18:26] <fantasai> yep, that works
  83. # [18:26] <fantasai> cool
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  85. # [18:29] <Bert> Are you going to send a publication request to the webmaster? Or shall I?
  86. # [18:32] <fantasai> I'm still working through pubrules, actually
  87. # [18:32] <fantasai> I'm stuck on the trailing slash issue
  88. # [18:32] <fantasai> the [VERSION] in the postprocessor
  89. # [18:33] <fantasai> doesn't have a trailing slash
  90. # [18:33] <fantasai> I'll fix it manually, but perhaps you can fix that in the processor, too?
  91. # [18:35] <Bert> Probably. I'll check. But the webmaster won't complain about that.
  92. # [18:36] <fantasai> it's also choking on the status text :/
  93. # [18:36] * fantasai studies this
  94. # [18:36] <fantasai> So
  95. # [18:37] <fantasai> I think you need to move the mailing list info after the "Publication as Note" statement
  96. # [18:37] <Bert> Both that boilerplate and the trailing slash probably date from a version of the pubrules several years ago :-)
  97. # [18:37] <fantasai> Maybe also remove the "A list of current W3C publications" bit...
  98. # [18:37] <fantasai> since that's not in the text it's checking for either
  99. # [18:37] <fantasai> Can you fix that, or should I edit the document ?
  100. # [18:38] <Bert> I'll fix it right away. I'm looking for the correct text...
  101. # [18:39] <fantasai> Include this source code:
  102. # [18:39] <fantasai> <p>Publication as a Working Group Note does not imply endorsement by the W3C Membership. This is a draft document and may be updated, replaced or obsoleted by other documents at any time. It is inappropriate to cite this document as other than work in progress.</p>
  103. # [18:39] <fantasai> (from the pubrules checker)
  104. # [18:39] <fantasai> oh and the patent policy
  105. # [18:40] * fantasai would put the mailing list info at the bottom, so we can put other useful status text next to it
  106. # [18:42] <Bert> I've updated the text. Can you try to regenerate?
  107. # [18:42] <fantasai> yep
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  109. # [18:43] <Bert> Hmm, forgot the patent stuff...
  110. # [18:44] <fantasai> heh, yeha
  111. # [18:44] <fantasai> yeah
  112. # [18:45] <Bert> Added.
  113. # [18:45] <Bert> Is the order of the paragraphs right, you think?
  114. # [18:47] <fantasai> eyp
  115. # [18:47] <fantasai> yep
  116. # [18:48] <fantasai> oh, and can you fix the [VERSION] thing while you're at it? :)
  117. # [18:48] <Bert> That's in a different file. Looking now...
  118. # [18:49] * fantasai fixes them in the output
  119. # [18:50] <fantasai> Ok, I think this is all set to go
  120. # [18:50] <Bert> VERSION now has a slash.
  121. # [18:50] <fantasai> cool
  122. # [18:51] <Bert> Haven't tested it, but such a small change ought to work without, doesn't it ?:-)
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  124. # [18:53] <fantasai> curl: (26) failed creating formpost data
  125. # [18:53] <fantasai> ...
  126. # [18:53] <fantasai> oh, wrong directory
  127. # [18:53] <fantasai> I was like, that doesn't seem like an error on /your/ end
  128. # [18:54] <fantasai> yep, seems to work :)
  129. # [18:54] * fantasai just regenerated to check
  130. # [18:56] <fantasai> Ok, I think it's all correct
  131. # [18:56] <fantasai> but pubrules seems to be running on some kind of cached copy
  132. # [18:57] <Bert> It may be that some Web site mirrors are slower to update then others.
  133. # [18:57] <fantasai> maybe
  134. # [18:57] <fantasai> I didn't think dev.w3.org was mirrored though :)
  135. # [18:57] <Bert> True
  136. # [18:57] <fantasai> anyway, you should be all set
  137. # [18:57] <fantasai> aside from the publication date
  138. # [18:58] <Bert> OK
  139. # [18:58] <fantasai> it's currently generated for the 10th
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  148. # [20:57] <TabAtkins> fantasai: Thanks so much for making the Images edits! I'm still processing my email, so I'll review the edits more closely later today.
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  150. # [22:08] <fantasai> TabAtkins: np. It's my job :p
  151. # [22:29] <fantasai> Bert: Ummmmm, the generator seems to think it's 2010 when it's generating the version URLs @_@
  152. # [22:31] <fantasai> Bert: nm, that's my fault
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  155. # [22:57] <fantasai> Bert: Thanks for setting everything up
  156. # [22:57] <fantasai> Bert: I've reverted the dev.w3.org copy to editor's draft mode
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  160. # [23:52] <TabAtkins> fantasai: I'm going to revert your changes around image fragments, as it's mixing levels in a bad way (as far as CSS is concerned, the image is already the size of the fragment).
  161. # [23:54] <fantasai> TabAtkins: which bit are you reverting, and why aren't you moving it to the correct place?
  162. # [23:54] <TabAtkins> The correct place is the MF spec.
  163. # [23:54] <TabAtkins> The part is the stuff relating to multiple-size images.
  164. # [23:55] <TabAtkins> Just sent an email explaining myself.
  165. # [23:56] <fantasai> What you say makes sense
  166. # [23:56] <fantasai> except
  167. # [23:57] <fantasai> what do you do with a multiple-size image when there are multiple sizes that are *equally large* but have different aspect ratios?
  168. # [23:57] <TabAtkins> With or without fragments mucking things up?
  169. # [23:57] <fantasai> both
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  171. # [23:57] <fantasai> we define witout
  172. # [23:57] <fantasai> already
  173. # [23:58] <fantasai> but MF can't use that definition since it interacts with CSS layout
  174. # [23:58] <TabAtkins> With, we don't explicitly care, because MF will turn it into a normal multiple-size iamge for us.
  175. # [23:58] <TabAtkins> Without, I dunno, but we already have something for it.
  176. # [23:59] <fantasai> k
  177. # [23:59] <fantasai> did you file a comment with MF?
  178. # [23:59] <fantasai> oh, cross-posted
  179. # [23:59] <fantasai> hopefully they catch it :)
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