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  59. # [17:32] <glazou> Zakim, this will be Style
  60. # [17:32] <Zakim> ok, glazou; I see Style_CSS FP()12:00PM scheduled to start in 32 minutes
  61. # [17:32] <glazou> rrsagent, make logs public
  62. # [17:32] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, glazou
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  69. # [17:58] <Zakim> Style_CSS FP()12:00PM has now started
  70. # [17:59] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  71. # [18:00] <glazou> Zakim, code?
  72. # [18:00] <Zakim> the conference code is 78953 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), glazou
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  74. # [18:01] <Zakim> +??P40
  75. # [18:01] <Zakim> +??P46
  76. # [18:01] <danielweck> Zakim, ??P40 is me
  77. # [18:01] <Zakim> +danielweck; got it
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  79. # [18:01] <glazou> Zakim, ??P46 is me
  80. # [18:01] <Zakim> +glazou; got it
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  83. # [18:04] <Zakim> + +1.858.216.aaaa
  84. # [18:04] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
  85. # [18:04] <Zakim> + +1.619.846.aabb
  86. # [18:04] <plinss> zakim, aaaa is me
  87. # [18:04] <Zakim> +plinss; got it
  88. # [18:04] <Zakim> +??P51
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  90. # [18:04] <arronei> zakim, microsoft has me
  91. # [18:04] <Zakim> +arronei; got it
  92. # [18:04] <hober> Zakim, aabb is me
  93. # [18:04] <Zakim> +hober; got it
  94. # [18:04] <arronei> zakim, microsoft has alexmog
  95. # [18:04] <Zakim> +alexmog; got it
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  100. # [18:05] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.aa]
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  104. # [18:05] <dsinger_> Zakim, mute dsinger
  105. # [18:05] <Zakim> dsinger should now be muted
  106. # [18:05] <Zakim> + +1.206.550.aadd
  107. # [18:05] <johnjan_> zakim, microsoft is johnjan
  108. # [18:05] <Zakim> +johnjan; got it
  109. # [18:05] <stearns> zakim, aadd is me
  110. # [18:05] <Zakim> +stearns; got it
  111. # [18:05] <glazou> Zakim, who is here?
  112. # [18:05] <Zakim> On the phone I see johnjan, danielweck, glazou, plinss, [Microsoft.a], hober, ??P51, ChrisL, [Microsoft.aa], dsinger (muted), +666182aacc, stearns
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  114. # [18:05] <Zakim> johnjan has alexmog
  115. # [18:05] <Zakim> On IRC I see johnjan_, stearns, vhardy, dsinger_, acebal, oyvind, sylvaing, Martijnc, dbaron, jdaggett, RRSAgent, Zakim, glazou, danielweck, kojiishi, Ms2ger, ChrisL, myakura,
  116. # [18:05] <Zakim> ... jgraham, fantasai, lhnz, JohnJan, krijnh, arronei, CSSWG_LogBot, TabAtkins, shepazu, trackbot, boblet, gsnedders, hober, alexmog, Bert, plinss, Hixie
  117. # [18:06] <Zakim> - +666182aacc
  118. # [18:06] <Zakim> +??P65
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  120. # [18:06] <vhardy> zakim, ??P51 is me
  121. # [18:06] <Zakim> +vhardy; got it
  122. # [18:06] <jdaggett> zakim, ??P65 is me
  123. # [18:06] <Zakim> +jdaggett; got it
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  127. # [18:07] <Zakim> +SteveZ
  128. # [18:07] <dsinger_> zakim, who is here?
  129. # [18:07] <Zakim> On the phone I see johnjan, danielweck, glazou, plinss, [Microsoft.a], hober, vhardy, ChrisL, [Microsoft.aa], dsinger (muted), stearns, jdaggett, +030187aaee, [IPcaller], SteveZ
  130. # [18:08] <Zakim> johnjan has alexmog
  131. # [18:08] <Zakim> + +47.21.65.aaff
  132. # [18:08] <Zakim> On IRC I see murakami, szilles, bradk, johnjan_, stearns, vhardy, dsinger_, acebal, oyvind, sylvaing, Martijnc, dbaron, jdaggett, RRSAgent, Zakim, glazou, danielweck, kojiishi,
  133. # [18:08] <Zakim> ... Ms2ger, ChrisL, myakura, jgraham, fantasai, lhnz, JohnJan, krijnh, arronei, CSSWG_LogBot, TabAtkins, shepazu, trackbot, boblet, gsnedders, hober, alexmog, Bert, plinss, Hixie
  134. # [18:08] <fantasai> ScribeNick: fantasai
  135. # [18:08] * sylvaing wonders if Steve is using the 'morning' keyword as a starting point or an endpoint
  136. # [18:08] <Zakim> + +1.650.618.aagg
  137. # [18:09] <fantasai> glazou: New agenda items: CSS3 Lists from Tab, item from Alex on CSS3 Regions
  138. # [18:09] * dbaron Zakim, aagg is dbaron
  139. # [18:09] <fantasai> jdaggett: August F2F
  140. # [18:09] * Zakim +dbaron; got it
  141. # [18:09] <fantasai> sylvaing: Normalization and Namespaces
  142. # [18:09] <fantasai> sylvaing: Charter schedule
  143. # [18:09] <Zakim> -hober
  144. # [18:09] <fantasai> Vincent: Review agreements on CSS Regions
  145. # [18:09] <fantasai> Vincent: Chris asked to talk about FX charter
  146. # [18:10] <fantasai> Topic: F2F
  147. # [18:10] <Zakim> +hober
  148. # [18:10] <fantasai> glazou: Already in June, so we need to decide about that quickly.
  149. # [18:10] <fantasai> glazou: First, where?
  150. # [18:10] <Zakim> + +1.650.275.aahh
  151. # [18:10] <fantasai> Vincent: I'd suggested Seattle following the ???WG meeting
  152. # [18:10] <Zakim> - +1.650.275.aahh
  153. # [18:10] <bradk> zakim, aahh is me
  154. # [18:10] <Zakim> sorry, bradk, I do not recognize a party named 'aahh'
  155. # [18:10] <fantasai> Vincent: So we can have a day overlapping with SVGWG
  156. # [18:10] <ChrisL> svg is 25-29
  157. # [18:10] <fantasai> Vincent: That's week of July 25th
  158. # [18:10] <fantasai> jdaggett: So you're suggesting week after that?
  159. # [18:10] <fantasai> Vincent: Yes
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  161. # [18:11] <Ms2ger> s/???WG/SVGWG/
  162. # [18:11] <fantasai> Vincent: The week of August 1st
  163. # [18:11] <fantasai> glazou: I can't
  164. # [18:11] <ChrisL> I can't do week of Aug 1 either
  165. # [18:11] <fantasai> Steve: Could also do earlier
  166. # [18:11] <ChrisL> Before is much easier for me
  167. # [18:12] * bradk is having phone problems
  168. # [18:12] <Zakim> + +1.408.636.aaii
  169. # [18:12] <ChrisL> overlap is not so great for me
  170. # [18:12] <fantasai> glazou: Could meet at the same time
  171. # [18:12] <smfr> Zakim. aaii is me
  172. # [18:12] <fantasai> ?: Some ppl are in both groups
  173. # [18:12] <fantasai> glazou: So first suggestion is 29-31st of July?
  174. # [18:12] <fantasai> Vincent: 28-29
  175. # [18:12] <fantasai> Vincent: Have one day of conflict
  176. # [18:12] <glazou> 28-30
  177. # [18:12] * dbaron Zakim, aaii is smfr
  178. # [18:12] <fantasai> sylvaing: Or we could be before with no overlap
  179. # [18:13] * Zakim +smfr; got it
  180. # [18:13] <fantasai> sylvaing: Overlap is interesting model, but weird if there are ppl in both.
  181. # [18:13] <Zakim> +??P11
  182. # [18:13] <fantasai> sylvaing: Ppl interested can just stay an extra day
  183. # [18:13] <ChrisL> vincent and tab and I are in both
  184. # [18:13] <dsinger_> Svg is 25-29 inclusive?
  185. # [18:13] <Zakim> + +1.650.275.aajj
  186. # [18:13] <kojiishi> zakim, ??p11 is me
  187. # [18:13] <fantasai> Vincent is coming back on the 24th
  188. # [18:13] <Zakim> +kojiishi; got it
  189. # [18:13] <bradk> zakim, aajj is me
  190. # [18:13] <fantasai> John: The weekend before will be pretty crazy
  191. # [18:13] <fantasai> John: It's ??? and they'll close I-90
  192. # [18:13] <Zakim> +bradk; got it
  193. # [18:14] <dsinger_> The week before is mpeg Torino...
  194. # [18:14] <fantasai> fantasai: Seems a bit too early, given we want to span gap between June and November, and this is in July
  195. # [18:15] <fantasai> glazou: Yeah, probably too early. Not enough agenda items.
  196. # [18:15] <fantasai> sylvaing: Reason for another meeting is we have a lot of work, so not worried about that.
  197. # [18:15] <fantasai> dbaron: I do think we want a little more of a gap though
  198. # [18:15] <fantasai> September is bad for jdaggett and someone else
  199. # [18:15] <fantasai> glazou can't do August at all
  200. # [18:15] <fantasai> Steve can't do most of August
  201. # [18:16] <fantasai> Steve: I could do just before Labor Day, i.e. late august
  202. # [18:16] <fantasai> howcome can't do late august
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  204. # [18:16] <fantasai> Steve: So the advantage of the July dates are they don't seem to have conflict, except for Blue Angels
  205. # [18:16] * ChrisL thought the blue angels were a hells angels bike gang from dundee, scotland
  206. # [18:16] <smfr> the blue angels are a troupe of display jet planes
  207. # [18:16] <dsinger_> The navy's flying aerobatics team
  208. # [18:17] * plinss http://www.blueangels.navy.mil/
  209. # [18:17] <fantasai> sylvaing explains the problem with the Blue Angels and the closing of the bridges over the lake
  210. # [18:17] <fantasai> howcome suggests meeting on the East Coast
  211. # [18:17] <fantasai> glazou suggests meeting in Europe
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  213. # [18:17] <fantasai> glazou: We're in Santa Clara for TPAC anyway
  214. # [18:18] <dsinger_> We could go back to Bilbao -:)
  215. # [18:18] * ChrisL which day does it not rain in Seattle?
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  217. # [18:18] <fantasai> glazou: It seems August is not practical for many people
  218. # [18:18] <fantasai> glazou: Only possibility is the end of the last week of July
  219. # [18:18] <alexmog1> late july-august is best weather in seattle
  220. # [18:18] * sylvaing glazou, we can go back to Japan, if you insist :)
  221. # [18:18] <fantasai> jdaggett: Are there people with explicit conflicts?
  222. # [18:18] <Zakim> -hober
  223. # [18:19] <fantasai> glazou: I need to be back in Europe on the ? of ?
  224. # [18:19] <fantasai> 31st of July
  225. # [18:19] <fantasai> glazou: back to 28-29-30 of July
  226. # [18:19] <Zakim> +hober
  227. # [18:19] <fantasai> ChrisL: That's 2 days of overlap with SVG
  228. # [18:20] <fantasai> discussion of conflicts
  229. # [18:21] <fantasai> -> offline
  230. # [18:21] <fantasai> Topic: CSS Namespaces
  231. # [18:21] <fantasai> ChrisL: Discussed internally this week, and I pointed out how unfair it was when CSS was being penalized wrt this when it applies to everything
  232. # [18:22] <fantasai> ChrisL: So in the end what we decided was it would be good to have a short meeting with a few people
  233. # [18:22] <fantasai> ChrisL: Me, Ishida, one of the chairs, Addison Philips
  234. # [18:22] <fantasai> ChrisL: To discuss the issues
  235. # [18:22] <fantasai> ChrisL: and get i18n to withdraw on that point
  236. # [18:22] <fantasai> fantasai: What about dbaron's suggestion?
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  238. # [18:23] <fantasai> ChrisL: ....
  239. # [18:23] <dbaron> (i.e., early normalization... though it's hard to be know that *that* won't have performance implications without trying it)
  240. # [18:23] <fantasai> ChrisL: It's okay to make it the author's responsibility
  241. # [18:23] <fantasai> ChrisL: I'll set up a meeting next week sometime
  242. # [18:24] <fantasai> ChrisL: I think authoring in early normalization is better
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  244. # [18:25] <fantasai> fantasai clarifies what dbaron's proposal actually was
  245. # [18:25] <fantasai> glazou: Most stylesheet authors and Web authors don't know what normalization means
  246. # [18:25] <dbaron> (normalizing at parse time)
  247. # [18:25] <fantasai> sylvaing: They shouldn't have to know about it
  248. # [18:26] <fantasai> s/parse/decoding/ , right?
  249. # [18:26] <fantasai> glazou: This already harms FTP clients due to filesystem naming issues
  250. # [18:26] <fantasai> glazou: Even if we add content normalization only we still need to add tests
  251. # [18:26] <Zakim> -danielweck
  252. # [18:27] <fantasai> glazou: There are 2 different late normalizations -- parse time and comparison time
  253. # [18:27] <Zakim> +??P2
  254. # [18:27] <fantasai> sylvaing: Either way the specs are held up ?
  255. # [18:27] <danielweck> Zakim, ??P2 is me
  256. # [18:27] <Zakim> +danielweck; got it
  257. # [18:27] <fantasai> glazou: I'm pushing for another solution. I'm pushing to release CSS Namespaces now
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  259. # [18:27] <fantasai> glazou: And then have a separate spec dealing with normalization
  260. # [18:27] <Zakim> +[Apple]
  261. # [18:28] <danielweck> (back in town, got dropped by SIP client)
  262. # [18:28] <fantasai> sylvaing: It sounds like it's a Web platform issue, no reason to hold up this spec as opposed to others
  263. # [18:28] <dsinger> zakim, [apple] has dsinger
  264. # [18:28] <Zakim> +dsinger; got it
  265. # [18:28] <fantasai> glazou: So Chris, we're waiting for invitation and possible times
  266. # [18:28] <Zakim> -dsinger
  267. # [18:28] <fantasai> sylvaing: Are we waiting for specs or waiting for that meeting?
  268. # [18:28] * fantasai thinks dbaron's solution makes the most sense of everything said so far
  269. # [18:28] <fantasai> Topic: CSS Regions
  270. # [18:29] <fantasai> strings vs identifiers
  271. # [18:29] <fantasai> Alex: we had discussed at the F2F that strings were better than identifiers, but wasn't clear how this was the resolution
  272. # [18:30] <fantasai> fantasai: There was no official resolution in the minutes
  273. # [18:30] <fantasai> Alex: We have something similar with counters, and it seems to work okay for counters. Is there a reason to come up with something different for regions or can we use the same solution?
  274. # [18:30] <fantasai> smfr: We use idents in animations, too
  275. # [18:31] <fantasai> glazou: Yes, we usually use idents for this case
  276. # [18:31] <fantasai> glazou: Also I don't like allowing spaces in names
  277. # [18:31] * ChrisL ideographic space is your freind :)
  278. # [18:31] <fantasai> Alex: With strings you'd have to say whether null string is a flow, whether ? is a flow, etc.
  279. # [18:31] <Zakim> - +030187aaee
  280. # [18:31] <fantasai> glazou: Is there any reason why you need a string, Vincent?
  281. # [18:32] <fantasai> Vincent: No, that was just where the discussion landed at the F2F.
  282. # [18:32] <fantasai> plinss was in favor of strings
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  284. # [18:32] <fantasai> plinss: We have many cases where we use idents here
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  286. # [18:32] <fantasai> plinss: But we've also had cases where we've painted ourselves into a corner. It's safer to have a different syntax for user-named things, and strings are a good way to do that.
  287. # [18:32] <Zakim> + +90700183aakk
  288. # [18:32] <fantasai> fantasai: where have we painted ourselves in a corner before?
  289. # [18:33] <Zakim> - +90700183aakk
  290. # [18:33] <fantasai> plinss: font names
  291. # [18:33] <fantasai> fantasai: Those are not CSS-internal identifiers
  292. # [18:33] <fantasai> plinss: Still have the problem that we can't ever add another keyword to those property names because you'll have conflicts
  293. # [18:33] <fantasai> plinss: If you want to add a keyword, you have to define it now and we're stuck with that set forever
  294. # [18:34] <fantasai> glazou: or you can use a functional notation
  295. # [18:34] <fantasai> plinss: that was proposed, too, but kindof cumbersome
  296. # [18:34] <fantasai> Alex: idents are the easiest to use, ..., and we don't have a really good reason to not use idents
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  298. # [18:34] <fantasai> plinss: We explicitly didn't resolve on this at the F2F
  299. # [18:34] <fantasai> plinss: we were just tossing ideas around, so I don't really care one way or the other
  300. # [18:35] <fantasai> plinss: I don't like inconsistency with other properties, but I also don't like the extensibility problem
  301. # [18:35] <fantasai> glazou: Do we need to resolve on this now, or can we add a note to the document and resolve later?
  302. # [18:35] <fantasai> Steve: Make a decision as to how the text should be written now
  303. # [18:36] <fantasai> John: I'd rather make the decision now.
  304. # [18:36] <fantasai> glazou: Ok, straw poll
  305. # [18:36] <dsinger> we can surely reserve names/idents of a specific form for CSS use (i.e. user region names cannot start with 'CSS')
  306. # [18:36] <fantasai> glazou: Two options: 1. String 2. Identifier
  307. # [18:36] <glazou> Zakim, who is on the phone?
  308. # [18:36] <Zakim> On the phone I see johnjan, glazou, plinss, [Microsoft.a], vhardy, ChrisL, [Microsoft.aa], stearns, jdaggett, [IPcaller], SteveZ, +47.21.65.aaff, dbaron, smfr, kojiishi, bradk,
  309. # [18:36] <Zakim> ... hober, danielweck, [Apple]
  310. # [18:36] <Zakim> [Apple] has dsinger
  311. # [18:36] <Zakim> johnjan has alexmog
  312. # [18:36] <fantasai> JohnJansen: ident
  313. # [18:36] <fantasai> glazou: ident
  314. # [18:36] <fantasai> plinss: strings
  315. # [18:36] <fantasai> Arron: ident
  316. # [18:36] <stearns> string
  317. # [18:36] <fantasai> Alex: ident
  318. # [18:36] <fantasai> sylvaing: ident
  319. # [18:36] <fantasai> Vincent: abstain
  320. # [18:37] <Zakim> + +25430187aall
  321. # [18:37] <fantasai> Chris: abstain
  322. # [18:37] <fantasai> Stearns: strings
  323. # [18:37] <fantasai> jdaggett: ident
  324. # [18:37] <fantasai> howcome: I'd like to hear what Bert thinks
  325. # [18:37] <fantasai> Steve: don't care
  326. # [18:38] <fantasai> César: strings
  327. # [18:38] <fantasai> dbaron: ident
  328. # [18:38] <fantasai> smfr: ident
  329. # [18:38] <fantasai> Koji: abstain
  330. # [18:38] <fantasai> Brad: abstain
  331. # [18:38] <fantasai> hober: ident
  332. # [18:38] <fantasai> dweck: ident
  333. # [18:38] <fantasai> dsinger: defer to simon
  334. # [18:38] <fantasai> fantasai: ident
  335. # [18:38] <acebal> I'm sorry, I said 'abstain', not strings.
  336. # [18:38] <fantasai> glazou: I think identifiers clearly win here
  337. # [18:39] <fantasai> 11 for ident, 3 for strings
  338. # [18:39] <fantasai> s/César: strings/César: abstain/
  339. # [18:39] <fantasai> RESOLVED: use idents for flow names
  340. # [18:40] <vhardy> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2011Jun/0336.html
  341. # [18:40] <Zakim> -jdaggett
  342. # [18:40] <fantasai> Vincent: These were my notes on the meeting, wanted to confirm
  343. # [18:40] <fantasai> Vincent: First item was to have flow-into and flow-from properties, which is different from the current draft
  344. # [18:41] <fantasai> Vincent: Wanted to confirm if I should make that change
  345. # [18:41] <fantasai> fantasai: Why can't we use content property?
  346. # [18:41] <fantasai> Vincent: plinss wanted a separate property
  347. # [18:42] <fantasai> fantasai: If you specify both flow-into and content property, which one wins?
  348. # [18:43] <fantasai> plinss: content property overrides, you can use the contents keyword to get the normal content
  349. # [18:43] <fantasai> fantasai: so flow-into affects calculation of 'normal'?
  350. # [18:43] <stearns> I'm concerned with how 'normal' is getting overloaded
  351. # [18:43] <fantasai> Alex: You can also use flow-into: none to get normal content
  352. # [18:44] <dbaron> flow-from?
  353. # [18:44] <fantasai> Alex: I like how flow overrides content property, much easier to handle. Otherwise have to look at two properties .. order
  354. # [18:44] <fantasai> fantasai: I'm concerned about the cascade implications
  355. # [18:45] <fantasai> fantasai: What's the benefit of having two properties? I see a lot of reasons to use content and /not/ two properties. I don't see the benefit of a new property.
  356. # [18:46] <fantasai> plinss: I like having separate properties because to me they are separate concepts
  357. # [18:46] <fantasai> glazou: Taking this discussion offline
  358. # [18:47] <fantasai> Vincent: Agreed that content selection was a UI issue, not mentioned in spec
  359. # [18:48] <fantasai> RESOLVED: Content selection is a UI issue, not in css3-regions
  360. # [18:48] <fantasai> Vincent: discussed whether event propagation model should be model, agreement that it should not be changed
  361. # [18:49] <fantasai> RESOLVED: No change to event propagation model due to regions
  362. # [18:49] <fantasai> Vincent: next one was to make seciton on DOM events model informative
  363. # [18:49] <fantasai> Vincent: I think that's a simple one
  364. # [18:50] <fantasai> Vincent: Next one was on CSSOM View
  365. # [18:50] <fantasai> Vincent: Confirmed that the current proposal was good
  366. # [18:50] <fantasai> Vincent: Agreed to add event on changes to regionOverflow and flowRanges
  367. # [18:50] <fantasai> No objections
  368. # [18:51] <fantasai> Vincent: I also had an action item to ...
  369. # [18:51] <fantasai> ACTION Vincent: Regions spec. editors to specify a model for breaking flow content
  370. # [18:51] <fantasai> across areas that accounts for regions, columns and pages. Build on paged
  371. # [18:51] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  372. # [18:51] * RRSAgent records action 1
  373. # [18:51] <trackbot> Created ACTION-330 - Regions spec. editors to specify a model for breaking flow content [on Vincent Hardy - due 2011-06-22].
  374. # [18:51] <fantasai> media and propose behavior for nested flows breaks.
  375. # [18:51] <fantasai> Topic: CSS Exclusions
  376. # [18:51] <fantasai> glazou: Going to have a call with Vincent on that on Friday
  377. # [18:51] <fantasai> Vincent: Since Alex will be editor, I'll sync up with him
  378. # [18:52] <fantasai> Topic: CSS3 Images
  379. # [18:53] <fantasai> Topic: CSS3 Ruby
  380. # [18:53] <dbaron> fantasai, you dropped off
  381. # [18:53] <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
  382. # [18:54] <fantasai> yep, calling back
  383. # [18:54] <fantasai> basically, I think we should publish
  384. # [18:54] <fantasai> with those edits I mentioned
  385. # [18:54] <Zakim> +??P18
  386. # [18:54] <dbaron> glazou: please review the DOM ? Events linked from the wiki for next week
  387. # [18:54] * dbaron Zakim, ??P18 is fantasai
  388. # [18:54] * Zakim +fantasai; got it
  389. # [18:54] <fantasai> We really need to pull the css3-ruby spec from CR, so I was wondering if we could
  390. # [18:54] <fantasai> get a WG resolution to publish an updated WD providing that
  391. # [18:54] <fantasai> 1. All of the marked edits are actually folded into the draft instead of marked
  392. # [18:54] <fantasai> as changes. (They're mostly editorial, obviously correct, and distract from
  393. # [18:54] <fantasai> the actual issues.)
  394. # [18:54] <fantasai> 2. The 'bopomofo'/'right' value is renamed 'inter-character' per WG resolution
  395. # [18:54] <fantasai> http://www.w3.org/blog/CSS/2011/03/15/resolutions_152
  396. # [18:54] <fantasai> Then hopefully Richard can find the time to make these edits and push the updates
  397. # [18:55] <Zakim> -bradk
  398. # [18:56] <dbaron> Koji: use styles to make del display:none?
  399. # [18:56] <fantasai> Koji: Can we use display: none to make the old text go away?
  400. # [18:56] * ChrisL ms word has made people think different
  401. # [18:56] <fantasai> fantasai: Why would we do that? We should just update the text.
  402. # [18:56] <fantasai> RESOLVED: Publish update of CSS Ruby with changes mentioned above.
  403. # [18:56] <fantasai> glazou: Tab asked to publish CSS3 Lists, defer to next week
  404. # [18:57] <fantasai> Topic: Charter
  405. # [18:57] <Zakim> -danielweck
  406. # [18:57] <fantasai> ChrisL: CSSWG and SVGWG charters talk about FX charter, but say different things
  407. # [18:57] <Zakim> +??P2
  408. # [18:57] <danielweck> (back on SIP, got dropped)
  409. # [18:57] <fantasai> ChrisL: We should make sure the charters align on the deliverables etc.
  410. # [18:57] <danielweck> Zakim, ??P2 is me
  411. # [18:57] <Zakim> +danielweck; got it
  412. # [18:57] * glazou feels the CSS WG is like the Belgian government
  413. # [18:58] <fantasai> ChrisL: SVGWG draft charter was published, and the SVGWG charter was extended
  414. # [18:58] <fantasai> ChrisL says something about a temporary charter extension
  415. # [18:59] <fantasai> ChrisL: So let's discuss the FX task force stuff soon
  416. # [19:00] <fantasai> Topic: CSS3 Conditional Rules
  417. # [19:00] <fantasai> dbaron: Close to FPWD, but not quite there yet
  418. # [19:00] <fantasai> dbaron: I discussed what it was at the F2F
  419. # [19:00] <fantasai> dbaron resummarizes
  420. # [19:01] <dbaron> http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-conditional/
  421. # [19:01] <fantasai> glazou: I've shown your document to a few web authors, and they are really excited
  422. # [19:01] <Zakim> -ChrisL
  423. # [19:02] <sylvaing> looks like my line hung up
  424. # [19:02] <fantasai> fantasai: I would like to publish LCWD of CSS3 Writing Modes next week to get wider review, so if anyone has issues they want addressed before LC publication they should report them this week.
  425. # [19:02] <Zakim> -[Microsoft.aa]
  426. # [19:02] <fantasai> ACTION everyone: Review css3-writing-modes and report any issues that should be addressed before LC
  427. # [19:02] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  428. # [19:02] <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - everyone
  429. # [19:02] * RRSAgent records action 2
  430. # [19:02] * dsinger ciao
  431. # [19:02] <Zakim> -smfr
  432. # [19:02] <Zakim> -fantasai
  433. # [19:02] <Zakim> -[Apple]
  434. # [19:02] <Zakim> - +25430187aall
  435. # [19:02] <Zakim> -vhardy
  436. # [19:02] <Zakim> -kojiishi
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  438. # [19:02] <Zakim> -dbaron
  439. # [19:02] <Zakim> -danielweck
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  449. # [19:05] <Zakim> -SteveZ
  450. # [19:05] <Zakim> -plinss
  451. # [19:05] <Zakim> -stearns
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  458. # [19:10] <Zakim> Style_CSS FP()12:00PM has ended
  459. # [19:10] <Zakim> Attendees were danielweck, glazou, +1.858.216.aaaa, +1.619.846.aabb, plinss, arronei, hober, alexmog, ChrisL, dsinger, +666182aacc, +1.206.550.aadd, johnjan, stearns, vhardy,
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