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  46. # [17:23] <glazou> zakim, this will be Style
  47. # [17:23] <Zakim> ok, glazou; I see Style_CSS FP()12:00PM scheduled to start in 41 minutes
  48. # [17:23] <glazou> RRSAgent, make logs public
  49. # [17:23] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, glazou
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  56. # [18:00] <Florian> Zakim, I am ??P31
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  78. # [18:04] <hober> Kimberly: use port 80
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  96. # [18:09] * glazou sorry for the noise
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  98. # [18:09] <fantasai> ScribeNick: fantasai
  99. # [18:10] <fantasai> plinss: any additions to agenda?
  100. # [18:10] <fantasai> mollydotcom: SXSW is asking for what we're going to do to participate
  101. # [18:10] <anne> Zakim, passcode?
  102. # [18:10] <Zakim> the conference code is 78953 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), anne
  103. # [18:10] <Zakim> +bradk
  104. # [18:11] <fantasai> jdaggett: F2F first?
  105. # [18:11] <fantasai> Topic: F2F
  106. # [18:11] <fantasai> plinss: Where are we on that?
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  109. # [18:11] <fantasai> alexmog1: We have a number of options: Adobe, MS, and Google
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  111. # [18:11] <TabAtkins_> zakim, aaee is TabAtkins
  112. # [18:11] <Zakim> +TabAtkins; got it
  113. # [18:12] <anne> Zakim, ??P53 is me
  114. # [18:12] <Zakim> +anne; got it
  115. # [18:12] <fantasai> sylvaing: we don't have confirmation yet, but working on it
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  117. # [18:12] <fantasai> alexmog1: Both Google and Adobe are in Seattle, and MS has offices in Seattle as well; not sure ...
  118. # [18:12] <fantasai> alexmog1: It is possible, can do joint hosting as before
  119. # [18:12] * anne is locally muted; not sure how long I can stay
  120. # [18:12] <fantasai> glazou: Before speaking of final location, can we speak about dates so we can start booking plane tickets?
  121. # [18:13] <Zakim> +[Mozilla]
  122. # [18:13] <fantasai> jdaggett: I think the exact location can be worked out in the next few weeks or so, but dates are important to work out soon
  123. # [18:13] * dbaron Zakim, [Mozilla] is dbaron
  124. # [18:13] * Zakim +dbaron; got it
  125. # [18:13] <fantasai> Florian: I haven't had time to sync up with other Opera people, but that week doesn't work for me. One week earlier or August would work better for me.
  126. # [18:13] <fantasai> plinss: Other folks with constraints?
  127. # [18:14] <anne> August 1 is my birthday, but I don't care strongly
  128. # [18:14] <fantasai> smfr: It overlaps with SVG, which is convenient for those of us going to SVG
  129. # [18:14] <anne> not like many people are around in Europe :)
  130. # [18:14] <fantasai> plinss: What are exact dates of SVG?
  131. # [18:14] <fantasai> 26-29
  132. # [18:14] <fantasai> plinss: Our current proposal is 28-30
  133. # [18:14] <fantasai> plinss: so 2 days of overlap
  134. # [18:15] <fantasai> fantasai: 25-27 (M-W) would give us same overlap
  135. # [18:15] <fantasai> jdaggett: Are there people other than Florian with conflicts?
  136. # [18:15] <fantasai> glazou: I must be in Paris on Sunday the 31st
  137. # [18:15] <fantasai> glazou: So a meeting on Saturday the 30th is not very convenient for me
  138. # [18:16] <fantasai> Florian: 25-27 is still hard for me but slightly better
  139. # [18:16] <mollydotcom> good for me
  140. # [18:16] <fantasai> plinss: any conflicts with 25-27?
  141. # [18:17] <fantasai> glazou: Conflict with SVG for Vincent, ChrisL, etc.
  142. # [18:17] <fantasai> fantasai: get that either way
  143. # [18:17] <fantasai> fantasai: If we want to reduce overlap with SVG, we can shift onto Sunday
  144. # [18:17] <fantasai> discussion of access to buildings on weekends
  145. # [18:18] <fantasai> Florian: could also do CSS the previous week, unless that's too far apart?
  146. # [18:18] <fantasai> jdaggett: For me the week before is bad
  147. # [18:18] <Zakim> +ChrisL
  148. # [18:19] * dbaron Zakim, mute ChrisL
  149. # [18:19] * Zakim ChrisL should now be muted
  150. # [18:19] * sylvaing that sounded like Morse-encoded Unicode
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  152. # [18:19] <kojiishi> zakim, ??p6 is me
  153. # [18:19] <Zakim> +kojiishi; got it
  154. # [18:20] * dbaron Zakim, unmute ChrisL
  155. # [18:20] * Zakim ChrisL should no longer be muted
  156. # [18:20] <fantasai> fantasai: So it seems M-W works better than Th-Sat. question is, do we want to shift onto Sunday to reduce overlap with SVG?
  157. # [18:21] <Zakim> -ChrisL
  158. # [18:21] <fantasai> Florian: for me, the earlier the better
  159. # [18:21] <fantasai> plinss: So should we say 24-26?
  160. # [18:21] <fantasai> plinss: Any problems with those days?
  161. # [18:21] <fantasai> plinss: Sunday-Tuesday
  162. # [18:22] <Zakim> +ChrisL
  163. # [18:22] <fantasai> RESOLVED: CSSWG F2F July 24-26, Sunday-Tuesday
  164. # [18:22] <fantasai> FXTF on Tuesday
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  166. # [18:23] <fantasai> plinss: Potential hosts to be discussed over email
  167. # [18:23] <fantasai> RESOLVED: in Seattle
  168. # [18:24] <fantasai> Topic: Multi-col
  169. # [18:24] <plinss> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2011Apr/0316.html
  170. # [18:24] <fantasai> howcome: We did discuss this a few weeks ago
  171. # [18:24] <fantasai> plinss: Did we get a resolution?
  172. # [18:24] * ChrisL sorry to be late, i had amigraine all day and am just getting back online this evening
  173. # [18:24] <fantasai> howcome: I think the resolution was to discuss it at a future date
  174. # [18:25] <ChrisL> rrsagent, here
  175. # [18:25] <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2011/06/22-css-irc#T16-21-09
  176. # [18:25] <fantasai> fantasai: I think to leave undefined
  177. # [18:25] <fantasai> howcome: I'm all for writing a spec for intrinsic widths, but I don't think multicol elements should be treated specially
  178. # [18:26] <fantasai> howcome: and that would add things to consider for testing/PR
  179. # [18:26] <fantasai> fantasai: IIRC my testing showed that multicol did have some special behavior. I think this requres more testing, investigation, discussion before we can come up with a spec
  180. # [18:26] <fantasai> Topic: Namespaces
  181. # [18:27] <fantasai> plinss: Had telecon with i18n and W3M, getting their feedback on normalization issues
  182. # [18:27] <fantasai> plinss: State of the world is that they're not going to be blocking Namespaces. There are concerns about Selectors, but Namespaces can proceed.
  183. # [18:27] <Zakim> - +47.23.69.aadd
  184. # [18:27] <fantasai> plinss: Way to move forward with this issue is to take it to the TAG
  185. # [18:28] <fantasai> ChrisL: So we would file the issue with the TAG, then propose to move forward with Selectors and Namespaces
  186. # [18:28] <fantasai> ChrisL: We say this is the issue, know it exists and needs to be solved, but has to be solved W3C-wide, and we'll move forward and deal with it later
  187. # [18:28] <fantasai> anne: I don't think it needs to be solved
  188. # [18:28] <fantasai> plinss: Either way, we're not the ones solving it
  189. # [18:29] <fantasai> plinss: It's important to many people, but something we've lived for a long time without
  190. # [18:29] <fantasai> fantasai: so I propose closing this issue as Out-of-Scope and taking Namespaces to PR
  191. # [18:29] <fantasai> http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-namespace/issues-3
  192. # [18:29] <fantasai> http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/Test/CSS3/Namespace/20090210/reports/implement-report.html
  193. # [18:30] * Ms2ger agrees with fantasai
  194. # [18:30] <fantasai> fantasai: So do we want to move Namespaces to PR?
  195. # [18:30] <ChrisL> yes
  196. # [18:30] <dbaron> It would be really nice if http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/Test/CSS3/Namespace/20090210/ had a link to http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/Test/CSS3/Namespace/20090210/reports/implement-report.html
  197. # [18:30] <fantasai> RESOLVED: Close normalization issue as out-of-scope, send response to i18n, and take Namespaces to PR.
  198. # [18:30] <fantasai> ACTION fantasai: do the above
  199. # [18:30] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  200. # [18:30] * RRSAgent records action 1
  201. # [18:30] <trackbot> Created ACTION-331 - Do the above [on Elika Etemad - due 2011-06-29].
  202. # [18:31] <fantasai> Topic: DOM3 Events 2nd LC
  203. # [18:31] <fantasai> glazou: I sent a comment myself, got feedback from chairs and members of group, but it was strictly personal
  204. # [18:31] <fantasai> glazou: I mentioned the new CSS3 UI selectors and said we could be interested in events matching the new :invalid/:whatever
  205. # [18:32] <fantasai> glazou: but they said it was to late
  206. # [18:32] <fantasai> glazou: but willing to consider for the next level
  207. # [18:32] <fantasai> glazou: other than that, I had no comments myself
  208. # [18:32] <fantasai> plinss: Anyone else reviewed it? Any other feedback?
  209. # [18:32] <fantasai> TabAtkins: I think Anne's draft was much better than DOM3 is doing, but that doesn't need to be CSSWG's opinion
  210. # [18:32] <anne> I need to go now; TabAtkins / TabAtkins_ can you email me about CSSOM stuff? Or otherwise we can call later today maybe...
  211. # [18:32] <fantasai> glazou: It's difficult to send such a comment without showing why it's better.
  212. # [18:33] * Ms2ger would be all for such a comment :)
  213. # [18:33] <fantasai> TabAtkins will send this as a personal comment.
  214. # [18:33] * anne yeah, please give that as personal feedback; would be helpful :)
  215. # [18:33] <fantasai> ChrisL: It was good to see keyboard and text events which competing implementations like flash and silverlight already have
  216. # [18:34] <fantasai> ChrisL: I might send that in as a comment myself
  217. # [18:34] <fantasai> plinss: Not hearing any WG comments at this point
  218. # [18:34] <fantasai> glazou: Should I send official answer that we have no comments?
  219. # [18:34] * anne will be away for a bit
  220. # [18:35] <fantasai> ACTION glazou: Send no comments comment for DOM3 Events
  221. # [18:35] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  222. # [18:35] * RRSAgent records action 2
  223. # [18:35] <trackbot> Created ACTION-332 - Send no comments comment for DOM3 Events [on Daniel Glazman - due 2011-06-29].
  224. # [18:35] <fantasai> Topic: Charter
  225. # [18:35] <fantasai> ChrisL: I got feedback that the list of high priority items (-> PR items)
  226. # [18:35] <fantasai> ChrisL: I got a comment back saying some of those will and some of those won't
  227. # [18:36] <fantasai> ChrisL: So was wondering exactly how to edit
  228. # [18:36] <fantasai> fantasai: Should be instructions in the minutes
  229. # [18:36] <fantasai> from the F2F
  230. # [18:36] <fantasai> ChrisL: The other thing is that there are discussions about FXTF scope
  231. # [18:36] <fantasai> ChrisL: Should sort that out first
  232. # [18:36] <Zakim> -danielweck
  233. # [18:36] <fantasai> ChrisL: So my plan is to send a draft charter to AC, and ask for an extension
  234. # [18:36] <Zakim> +??P2
  235. # [18:37] <danielweck> Zakim, ??P2 is me
  236. # [18:37] <Zakim> +danielweck; got it
  237. # [18:37] <fantasai> ChrisL: until end of August
  238. # [18:37] <danielweck> (sorry, SIP dropped me)
  239. # [18:37] <fantasai> ChrisL: Does that seem like an OK plan?
  240. # [18:37] <fantasai> sounds reasonable to ppl
  241. # [18:37] <ChrisL> charter extensio lets us publish meanwhile
  242. # [18:37] <fantasai> RESOLVED: send draft charter to AC but request extension until everything has been worked out exactly
  243. # [18:37] <fantasai> plinss: What do we need to do to sort out the FXTF stuff?
  244. # [18:38] <fantasai> ChrisL: My recollection was to have that on the agenda this week
  245. # [18:38] <fantasai> plinss: What are the contentious issues here?
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  247. # [18:38] <fantasai> ChrisL: For Transitions wasn't clear, did CSSWG want to keep that as a separate spec
  248. # [18:38] <fantasai> ChrisL: So whether to jointly develop that
  249. # [18:39] <fantasai> sylvaing: Could also argue that we need to talk about that for 2D and 3D Transforms
  250. # [18:39] <fantasai> sylvaing: They use same properties. Would be weird to move one to CR while other is behind
  251. # [18:39] <fantasai> plinss: I'm confused about your questions, Chris.
  252. # [18:39] <fantasai> ChrisL: Question is to have Transitions and Animations both worked on by the FXTF
  253. # [18:39] <fantasai> dbaron: Why?
  254. # [18:39] <fantasai> ChrisL: They apply both to SVG and to HTML
  255. # [18:40] <fantasai> ChrisL: Needs to be clear how that works
  256. # [18:40] <fantasai> dbaron: That could be said about most modules in CSS
  257. # [18:40] <fantasai> ChrisL: That's true, but in this case, but in this case we have animation model in CSS and not clear that same model is being used in CSS
  258. # [18:40] <fantasai> ChrisL: More potential conflicts
  259. # [18:40] <Ms2ger> CSS -> SVG?
  260. # [18:41] <fantasai> ChrisL: No call for CSS Fonts to be developed in TF, since it's clear how they apply.
  261. # [18:41] <fantasai> ChrisL: And box model stuff doesn't apply to SVG
  262. # [18:41] <fantasai> ChrisL: So not everything needs to be jointly developed. Just certain things need to be.
  263. # [18:41] <fantasai> ChrisL: And we have to get that list pinned down.
  264. # [18:41] <fantasai> ChrisL: Vincent had sent a list of suggestions. Maybe we should defer this until he's back.
  265. # [18:42] <fantasai> ChrisL: I would like to go through that list in detail and see what people think of it
  266. # [18:42] <fantasai> PLAN - go over that list next week
  267. # [18:43] <fantasai> Topic: CSS3 Images
  268. # [18:43] <fantasai> TabAtkins: The big remaining issue is the gradient keyword interpretation.
  269. # [18:43] <fantasai> TabAtkins: I think everything else is ok.
  270. # [18:43] <fantasai> TabAtkins: There's been a while since the last WD
  271. # [18:44] <fantasai> TabAtkins: Mostly from the last time I asked for a WD
  272. # [18:44] <fantasai> suggestion to add a change list to the spec
  273. # [18:45] <smfr> sylvaing: your phone sucks
  274. # [18:45] * dbaron Zakim, who is noisy?
  275. # [18:45] <smfr> is it a windows 7 phone? ;)
  276. # [18:45] * Zakim dbaron, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: glazou (43%), plinss (5%), fantasai (18%), Molly_Holzschlag (28%), +1.206.324.aacc (29%), TabAtkins (38%)
  277. # [18:45] <sylvaing> I'd rather preserve a WD that reflects current implementations while pending issues are being resolved
  278. # [18:45] * ChrisL move your fingers, maybe its affecting the antenna
  279. # [18:46] <sylvaing> we also have issues with normative OM serialization
  280. # [18:46] * sylvaing smft, it's a 2007 iPhone :)
  281. # [18:47] <fantasai> fantasai: There's a bunch of changes to the draft that I think we should get published, rather than waiting to resolve all the potential issues; we should just mark the open issues in the draft and publish
  282. # [18:47] <fantasai> Brad: Maybe publish the change list and then look at it for a week before publishing
  283. # [18:48] <fantasai> TabAtkins: OK, I will get a list of changes up today or tomorrow, and then we can discuss publishing next week
  284. # [18:48] <fantasai> ACTION Tab: make change list for css3-images similar to CSS3 Text etc.
  285. # [18:48] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  286. # [18:48] * RRSAgent records action 3
  287. # [18:48] <trackbot> Created ACTION-333 - Make change list for css3-images similar to CSS3 Text etc. [on Tab Atkins Jr. - due 2011-06-29].
  288. # [18:48] <sylvaing> for instance, background-position serialization is not defined by the spec and shouldn't be defined there. in turn, this implies Image Values depends on another draft that will delay progress of Image Values down the standard track. another: incompatible with current CSSOM ED and serialization in the latter has not been reviewed by the WG either.
  289. # [18:48] <sylvaing> there are others
  290. # [18:49] <fantasai> ACTION everyone: Review css3-images so we can publish next week
  291. # [18:49] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  292. # [18:49] <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - everyone
  293. # [18:49] * RRSAgent records action 4
  294. # [18:49] <fantasai> Topic: CSS3 Writing Modes
  295. # [18:49] <glazou> is a CSS author killing a baby in the background or what ? :-)
  296. # [18:49] <sylvaing> the baby is being normalized
  297. # [18:49] <glazou> LOL
  298. # [18:49] <sylvaing> it will pass
  299. # [18:50] * mollydotcom thinks normalization must be painful
  300. # [18:51] <fantasai> jdaggett: There are problems in the spec.
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  302. # [18:51] <fantasai> fantasai: What problems? I need a list, otherwise I can't take any actions.
  303. # [18:51] <dbaron> What issue tracking mechanism is being used for the spec?
  304. # [18:51] <smfr> dbaron++
  305. # [18:51] * Ms2ger suggests bugzilla
  306. # [18:51] <fantasai> szilles: Not adequately pointing to the Unicode field lists
  307. # [18:52] <fantasai> fantasai: I added http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-writing-modes/#character-properties
  308. # [18:52] <dbaron> and can we at least make sure that all the issues being discussed are filed in that system?
  309. # [18:52] <fantasai> jdaggett: The way text-orientation is defined, it's not clear to me that it's implementable
  310. # [18:52] <ChrisL> there are issues and there are not concrete proposals to fix them and thus, john is correct that moving to last call on the spec is premature. Unless parts of the spec are expected to be non normative and not testable in CR
  311. # [18:52] <fantasai> jdaggett: Nat McCully also says that
  312. # [18:52] <fantasai> jdaggett: How do we solve that, I don't know.
  313. # [18:53] <fantasai> Ed: Maybe the way to move forward with that would be to go to LC, so we can get feedback from the wider community
  314. # [18:53] <fantasai> jdaggett: Saying that it's LC is saying that it's done.
  315. # [18:53] <fantasai> szilles: Simple example I put it was whether punctuation lies between two characters of a given class be handled
  316. # [18:53] * sylvaing likes issues to be marked in specs where they belong but would love them to link to a single issue tracking page with all the relevant links/materials etc. Single being the most important part
  317. # [18:54] <sylvaing> if implementors are concerned about implementability i don't get how we can move to LC
  318. # [18:54] * fantasai is not minuting any of this
  319. # [18:55] <fantasai> szilles: my feeling was that the topics raised during the dicussion at the F2F were issues
  320. # [18:55] <fantasai> szilles: I reviewed the minutes, and I have to say the minutes are not at all clear on that
  321. # [18:56] <sylvaing> also, given that writing-mode is implemented by some browsers with different values, i wonder whether we should apply the pattern we applied to another property at the f2f whereby writing-mode and its old values is deprecated and a new prop name is used
  322. # [18:56] <fantasai> dbaron: We need to track issues somewhere
  323. # [18:57] <fantasai> fantasai: I've just been working off the mailing list so far, but we need something more formal
  324. # [18:57] <dbaron> fantasai: I'm oging to suggest using tracker.
  325. # [18:57] <dbaron> s/oging/going/
  326. # [18:57] <fantasai> http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/Tracker/
  327. # [18:57] <Ms2ger> Bugzilla? :)
  328. # [18:57] <fantasai> Florian: Is there anything that is marked as an issue in either the draft that you don't know what people are complaining about?
  329. # [18:57] <Zakim> -bradk
  330. # [18:58] <Zakim> +bradk
  331. # [18:58] <fantasai> jdaggett: The problem with text-orientation is in Eric Muller's draft
  332. # [18:59] * glazou has a feeling this discussion goes nowhere but shows we're not ready for a publication
  333. # [19:00] <fantasai> Florian: It's not clear why we're not ready for LC, but we're not ready for LC.
  334. # [19:00] <fantasai> Florian: So we should use Tracker and go from there.
  335. # [19:00] <Zakim> -bradk
  336. # [19:00] <ChrisL> I agre with Florian
  337. # [19:00] <jdaggett> my point earlier was that the entire discussion at the F2F of writing-modes
  338. # [19:00] * glazou too
  339. # [19:00] <jdaggett> brought up many topics that are clearly issues with the current spec
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  341. # [19:01] <fantasai> fantasai: I'm abdicating any responsibility for filing issues. People should file their own issues so they can explain them themselves.
  342. # [19:01] <Zakim> +bradk
  343. # [19:02] <fantasai> ACTION fantasai: Post message to mailing list about neutral punctuation resolution
  344. # [19:02] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  345. # [19:02] * RRSAgent records action 5
  346. # [19:02] <trackbot> Created ACTION-334 - Post message to mailing list about neutral punctuation resolution [on Elika Etemad - due 2011-06-29].
  347. # [19:02] * Quits: anne (annevk@83.85.115.123) (Client exited)
  348. # [19:02] <fantasai> ACTION Steve: Ask Eric to review current draft
  349. # [19:02] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  350. # [19:02] * RRSAgent records action 6
  351. # [19:02] <trackbot> Created ACTION-335 - Ask Eric to review current draft [on Steve Zilles - due 2011-06-29].
  352. # [19:02] <Zakim> -anne
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  354. # [19:04] <ChrisL> follow-up emails should include the issue number so tracker picks them up
  355. # [19:04] <fantasai> fantasai: File one issue per email to www-style
  356. # [19:04] <fantasai> Topic: SXSW
  357. # [19:04] <fantasai> mollydotcom: They've contacted me to see what we want to do for SXSW
  358. # [19:04] <Zakim> -jdaggett
  359. # [19:05] <fantasai> mollydotcom: I think we ended up with a good idea that didn't track with many ppl and put us in a huge room
  360. # [19:05] <fantasai> mollydotcom: I'm brainstorming for what to do, if you have ideas contact me.
  361. # [19:05] * sylvaing Panel at the Ginger Man. Drink a shot every time Tab says 'trivial'
  362. # [19:06] <Zakim> -ChrisL
  363. # [19:06] <Zakim> -glazou
  364. # [19:06] <Zakim> - +1.206.324.aacc
  365. # [19:06] <Zakim> -stearns
  366. # [19:06] <Zakim> -arronei
  367. # [19:06] <Zakim> -kimberlyblessing
  368. # [19:06] <Zakim> -danielweck
  369. # [19:06] <Zakim> -dbaron
  370. # [19:06] <Zakim> -plinss
  371. # [19:06] <fantasai> Meeting closed.
  372. # [19:06] <Zakim> -Molly_Holzschlag
  373. # [19:06] <Zakim> -smfr
  374. # [19:06] <Zakim> -hober
  375. # [19:06] <Zakim> -??P4
  376. # [19:06] <Zakim> -kojiishi
  377. # [19:06] * Quits: danielweck (dweck2@78.125.210.81) (Quit: danielweck)
  378. # [19:06] <Zakim> -bradk
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  380. # [19:06] <Zakim> -TabAtkins
  381. # [19:06] <Zakim> -SteveZ
  382. # [19:06] <Zakim> -Florian
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  384. # [19:07] <Zakim> -fantasai
  385. # [19:07] <Zakim> Style_CSS FP()12:00PM has ended
  386. # [19:07] <Zakim> Attendees were Florian, glazou, arronei, jdaggett, +1.215.286.aaaa, plinss, hober, kimberlyblessing, fantasai, Molly_Holzschlag, +1.206.675.aabb, stearns, +1.206.324.aacc,
  387. # [19:07] * Parts: mollydotcom (mollyh@68.225.52.230)
  388. # [19:07] <Zakim> ... danielweck, +47.23.69.aadd, smfr, SteveZ, bradk, +1.281.712.aaee, TabAtkins, anne, dbaron, ChrisL, kojiishi
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