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  1. # Session Start: Wed Jul 13 00:00:00 2011
  2. # Session Ident: #css
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  51. # [17:59] <Zakim> Style_CSS FP()12:00PM has now started
  52. # [17:59] <Zakim> +kimberlyblessing
  53. # [18:00] * Kimberly is now known as kimberlyblessing
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  55. # [18:00] <Zakim> +??P2
  56. # [18:00] <glazou> Zakim, ??P2 is me
  57. # [18:00] <Zakim> +glazou; got it
  58. # [18:01] <Zakim> +nimbu
  59. # [18:01] <Zakim> +??P6
  60. # [18:01] <Zakim> +smfr
  61. # [18:01] <glazou> Zakim, ??P6 is Florianr
  62. # [18:01] <Zakim> +Florianr; got it
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  64. # [18:02] <Zakim> +plinss
  65. # [18:02] <Zakim> +dsinger
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  67. # [18:02] <dsinger_> zakim, mute dsinger
  68. # [18:02] <Zakim> dsinger should now be muted
  69. # [18:02] * dsinger_ pleasure. We will havt
  70. # [18:02] <Zakim> +SteveZ
  71. # [18:03] <Zakim> +[Apple]
  72. # [18:03] <Zakim> +??P16
  73. # [18:03] <Zakim> -??P16
  74. # [18:03] <hober> Zakim: Apple has hober
  75. # [18:03] <hober> Zakim, Apple has hober
  76. # [18:03] <Zakim> +hober; got it
  77. # [18:03] * dsinger_ we will have to do it again after AT&T drops me I am sure
  78. # [18:03] <Zakim> +??P16
  79. # [18:03] <jdaggett> zakim, ??p16 is me
  80. # [18:03] <Zakim> +jdaggett; got it
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  82. # [18:04] <glazou> plinss: now I have two peter.linss in msn :-(
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  84. # [18:04] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  85. # [18:04] <arronei_> zakim, microsoft is me
  86. # [18:04] <Zakim> +arronei_; got it
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  88. # [18:04] * plinss drop the hotmail one...
  89. # [18:04] <Zakim> + +1.408.536.aaaa
  90. # [18:04] <glazou> ok
  91. # [18:04] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
  92. # [18:05] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.aa]
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  94. # [18:05] <johnjan> Zakim, Microsoft has johnjan
  95. # [18:05] <Zakim> +johnjan; got it
  96. # [18:05] <dsinger_> zakim, who is on the phone?
  97. # [18:05] <Zakim> On the phone I see kimberlyblessing, glazou, nimbu, Florianr, smfr, dsinger (muted), plinss, SteveZ, [Apple], jdaggett, [Microsoft], +1.408.536.aaaa, [Microsoft.a], [Microsoft.aa]
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  99. # [18:05] <Zakim> [Apple] has hober
  100. # [18:05] <Zakim> [Microsoft] has johnjan
  101. # [18:05] <Zakim> -dsinger
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  103. # [18:05] <Zakim> + +1.858.228.aabb
  104. # [18:05] <sylvaing> Zakim, [Microsoft] has sylvaing
  105. # [18:05] <Zakim> +sylvaing; got it
  106. # [18:05] <Zakim> +dsinger
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  108. # [18:05] <glazou> sorry for that
  109. # [18:05] <dsinger_> zakim, mute dsinger
  110. # [18:06] <Zakim> dsinger should now be muted
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  112. # [18:06] * dsinger_ AT&T rules!
  113. # [18:06] <acebal> zakim, aabb is me
  114. # [18:06] <Zakim> +acebal; got it
  115. # [18:06] <Zakim> +??P25
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  117. # [18:06] <glazou> Zakim, who is here?
  118. # [18:06] * sylvaing has 17 attendees for the next f2f as of right now. Please register!
  119. # [18:06] <Zakim> On the phone I see kimberlyblessing, glazou, nimbu, Florianr, smfr, plinss, SteveZ, [Apple], jdaggett, [Microsoft], +1.408.536.aaaa, [Microsoft.a], [Microsoft.aa], acebal, dsinger
  120. # [18:07] <Zakim> ... (muted), ??P25
  121. # [18:07] <Zakim> [Apple] has hober
  122. # [18:07] <Zakim> [Microsoft] has sylvaing
  123. # [18:07] <Zakim> On IRC I see kojiishi, danielweck, johnjan, vhardy, acebal, bradk, jdaggett, smfr, kimberlyblessing, dbaron, Florianr, krijnh, RRSAgent, Zakim, glazou, Bert, arno, Martijnc,
  124. # [18:07] <Zakim> ... sylvaing, shepazu, ChrisL, nimbupani, karl, arronei_, boblet, aswetrave, lhnz, fantasai, plinss, Hixie, TabAtkins, CSSWG_LogBot, jgraham, trackbot, gsnedders, hober
  125. # [18:07] <Zakim> -dsinger
  126. # [18:07] <glazou> Zakim, aaa is vhardy
  127. # [18:07] <Zakim> sorry, glazou, I do not recognize a party named 'aaa'
  128. # [18:07] <glazou> Zakim, aaaa is vhardy
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  130. # [18:07] <plinss> zakim, ?P25 is fantasai
  131. # [18:07] <Zakim> +vhardy; got it
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  133. # [18:07] <Zakim> sorry, plinss, I do not recognize a party named '?P25'
  134. # [18:07] <Zakim> +??P30
  135. # [18:08] <jdaggett> zakim, ??p25 is fantasai
  136. # [18:08] <Zakim> +fantasai; got it
  137. # [18:08] <Zakim> +bradk
  138. # [18:08] <danielweck> zakim, ??p30 is me
  139. # [18:08] <Zakim> +danielweck; got it
  140. # [18:08] <Zakim> +Bert
  141. # [18:08] <Zakim> +dsinger
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  143. # [18:08] <dsinger_> zakim, mute dsinger
  144. # [18:08] <Zakim> dsinger should now be muted
  145. # [18:08] <vhardy> ScribeNick: vhardy
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  147. # [18:08] <Zakim> +arno
  148. # [18:08] <dsinger_> zakim, who is on the phone?
  149. # [18:08] <Zakim> On the phone I see kimberlyblessing, glazou, nimbu, Florianr, smfr, plinss, SteveZ, [Apple], jdaggett, [Microsoft], vhardy, [Microsoft.a], [Microsoft.aa], acebal, fantasai,
  150. # [18:08] <Zakim> ... danielweck, bradk, Bert, dsinger (muted), arno
  151. # [18:08] <Zakim> [Apple] has hober
  152. # [18:08] <Zakim> [Microsoft] has sylvaing
  153. # [18:08] <vhardy> glazou: New agenda topics?
  154. # [18:08] <Zakim> +ChrisL
  155. # [18:09] <vhardy> fantasai: discussion about priorities and schedule for things in writing-modes
  156. # [18:09] <vhardy> glazou: anything else?
  157. # [18:09] <glazou> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2011Jul/0004.html
  158. # [18:09] <vhardy> glazou: Topic: writing modes, following from last week.
  159. # [18:09] * ChrisL mutes due to close thunderstorm here
  160. # [18:09] <ChrisL> zakim, mute me
  161. # [18:09] <Zakim> ChrisL should now be muted
  162. # [18:09] <vhardy> glazou: I missed the last minutes of last week.
  163. # [18:10] <Zakim> + +1.425.246.aacc
  164. # [18:10] <vhardy> jdaggett: this is Fantasai's proposal. My proposal is different.
  165. # [18:10] <vhardy> .. I do not see the need to compare the bidi algo.
  166. # [18:10] <Zakim> +??P37
  167. # [18:10] <Zakim> + +47.23.69.aadd
  168. # [18:10] <jdaggett> Figure 7: http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-writing-modes/#vertical-intro
  169. # [18:10] <kojiishi> zakim, ??p37 is me
  170. # [18:10] <Zakim> +kojiishi; got it
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  172. # [18:10] <vhardy> ... for the text orientation, you need a way to distiguish for different unicode point, which are going to rotate and the ones that are going to remain upright.
  173. # [18:11] <Zakim> +dbaron
  174. # [18:11] <vhardy> ... if you look at figure 7 in the writing mode spec (link above).
  175. # [18:11] <vhardy> ... this is the problem that text orientation is trying to address. You have content that is rendered in different directions depending on context.
  176. # [18:12] <vhardy> ... 2011 is rendered upright but also rotated right.
  177. # [18:12] <vhardy> ... If you have normal punctuation ascii characters for example, it is not clear what direction they should have in all cases.
  178. # [18:13] <vhardy> ... For emoticon, for example, the orientation may be different depending on context (e.g., in english text or in japanese text).
  179. # [18:13] <vhardy> ... My proposal was that for ambiguous characters, they would take the orientation of the surrounding text.
  180. # [18:14] <vhardy> florianr: it seems that what your propose is close to what fantasai is proposing.
  181. # [18:14] <vhardy> jdaggett: yes, but I do not see the need to bring in BiDi to resolve this simpler problem.
  182. # [18:15] <vhardy> florian: if you want to drop the introduction, that is fine.
  183. # [18:15] <vhardy> jdaggett: BiDi has nesting behaviors.
  184. # [18:15] <vhardy> fantasai: in some cases, the context is ambiguous, and BiDi has already solutions for resolving ambiguous contexts.
  185. # [18:16] <vhardy> fantasai: I could rewrite without using the BiDi reference but use the same algorithm.
  186. # [18:16] <fantasai> ACTION fantasai: rewrite proposal to not reference bidi because it's confusing
  187. # [18:16] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  188. # [18:16] * RRSAgent records action 1
  189. # [18:16] <trackbot> Created ACTION-338 - Rewrite proposal to not reference bidi because it's confusing [on Elika Etemad - due 2011-07-20].
  190. # [18:16] <dsinger_> It seems that the same ambiguities arise don't they?
  191. # [18:17] <vhardy> jdaggett: starting the explanation by details of the BiDi algorithm is obtuse.
  192. # [18:17] <vhardy> fantasai: is the action item satisfactory.
  193. # [18:18] <vhardy> glazou: the issue is about the algorithm, not the word BiDi
  194. # [18:18] <dsinger_> So John thinks some other algorithm applies??
  195. # [18:18] <vhardy> fantasai: I thought you wanted the same behavior. I do not understand what you want.
  196. # [18:19] <vhardy> szilles: I sent a message last night which suggested that using the script TR instead of the BiDi TR would make more sense. Simpler, covers a number of the cases that jdaggett wanted to cover.
  197. # [18:19] <Zakim> -acebal
  198. # [18:19] <vhardy> ... it is a simpler description. It is not algorithmic unfortunately. There are problems with matching code.
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