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  1. # Session Start: Fri Aug 05 00:00:00 2011
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  21. # [13:00] <nzimmermann> hi
  22. # [13:04] <nzimmermann> I have a question regarding replaced-intrinsic-ratio-001.htm if anyone is awake :-)
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  24. # [13:13] <Ms2ger> Try us
  25. # [13:35] <nzimmermann> hi Ms2ger
  26. # [13:35] <nzimmermann> I saw the test is listed in one of the "CSS 2.1 Testsuite Blocking Tests" section
  27. # [13:35] <nzimmermann> stating that WebKit support is planned - we've landed a patch a few weeks ago which fixes this tests and others
  28. # [13:36] <nzimmermann> what's the procedure to get the wiki updated?
  29. # [13:39] <Ms2ger> I'm not sure if it still needs to be kept up to date, the WG managed to publish a REC anyway
  30. # [13:46] <nzimmermann> ah ok
  31. # [13:54] <Ms2ger> But if you want to write an implementation report... I hear MS employees can do it in three days
  32. # [14:01] <gsnedders> Alternatively, spend one day converting a third of it into reftests, then you only have two days in future. But nobody seemed interested in that, because the migration would need review and delay REC
  33. # [14:02] <Ms2ger> I started on that one day
  34. # [14:02] <Ms2ger> I wonder if I still have the code
  35. # [14:04] <gsnedders> I sent a start to that one day to the list.
  36. # [14:04] <Ms2ger> With filler-text-below-green.xht?
  37. # [14:04] <gsnedders> But then I concluded that if they weren't going to actually be used, I couldn't be bothered finishing it.
  38. # [14:05] <gsnedders> I believe we (i.e., Opera) have converted more over since, though.
  39. # [14:06] <gsnedders> Ah, no, we haven't.
  40. # 06[14:07] * gsnedders goes back to ES-engine hacking
  41. # [14:07] <gsnedders> (Pff, CSS ;))
  42. # 06[14:10] * Ms2ger kicks svn
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  56. # [21:53] <fantasai> gsnedders: We should be able to take your patch now, since we get to move all the REC tests under WG control
  57. # [21:53] <fantasai> gsnedders: Theoretically I should have done that already...
  58. # [21:57] <Ms2ger> fantasai, gsnedders: https://bitbucket.org/ms2ger/css-tests
  59. # [22:00] <plinss> Ms2ger: rather than forking our test repo, why not contribute your tests directly?
  60. # [22:02] <Ms2ger> That seemed faster than figuring out how to get access, and I wasn't sure you wanted me to work in your approved/ folder directly
  61. # [22:03] <plinss> getting access is simply a matter of asking, and no, no one should really be working in the approved directory, but you can copy/move tests from approved into your submitted and work there...
  62. # [22:05] <gsnedders> fantasai: That means working out where I put all the stuff. :)
  63. # [22:08] <plinss> however, if you're just adding references (which a quick look at your commits seems to be), it would be ok to do that directly in the approved directory
  64. # [22:08] <Ms2ger> Yeah
  65. # [22:09] <Ms2ger> But I guess someone would need to review the referenced
  66. # [22:09] <fantasai> Ms2ger: Ask gsnedders :)
  67. # [22:10] <Ms2ger> Heh
  68. # [22:10] <Ms2ger> gsnedders, want to review the references you wrote? :)
  69. # [22:10] <fantasai> oh, well, if he wrote then then you should review them
  70. # [22:10] <fantasai> heh
  71. # [22:11] <fantasai> I mean, you could ask me, but I'm likely to procrastinate on it..
  72. # [22:11] <plinss> a few notes: first, the reference files should probably go into a 'reference' directory, rather than 'support'; second, all reference (.xht) files should have '-ref' in the file name; third, we're switching from reftest.list files to having <link rel='reference' href='…' /> in the test file
  73. # [22:11] <gsnedders> fantasai: And you think I won't? *mumbles something about html5lib patches* :)
  74. # [22:11] <fantasai> hehehehehe
  75. # [22:11] <Ms2ger> Seems like we all like procrastinating :)
  76. # [22:12] <fantasai> yep
  77. # [22:12] <fantasai> I'm only just now getting to the last day of CSS minutes
  78. # [22:12] <fantasai> from the F2F
  79. # [22:12] <Ms2ger> So about these HTML tests from Opera I was going to review... :)
  80. # [22:13] <plinss> Ms2ger: you have push access to our test repo now, you need to go to our wiki and reset your password: https://wiki.csswg.org/main?do=resendpwd (username ms2ger)
  81. # [22:14] <fantasai> Ms2ger: btw, could you point out where you'd like it documented how to get push access?
  82. # [22:14] <fantasai> Ms2ger: Like, where would you expect to find that information that you didn't
  83. # [22:14] <fantasai> ?
  84. # 06[22:15] * fantasai appreciates dbaron's Present: lines
  85. # 06[22:16] * Ms2ger blocks out some time to read minutes tomorrow
  86. # [22:16] <dbaron> fantasai, fwiw, they were already posted to the fx list in SVG style
  87. # [22:16] <fantasai> ok, well, I should cross-post them to www-style then
  88. # [22:16] <fantasai> I still have to write a summary and post it to the blog and stuff
  89. # 06[22:17] * fantasai is wayyyyy behind on posting things to the blog
  90. # [22:17] <Ms2ger> I have to say I appreciate to read them in fantasai-style :)
  91. # [22:17] <fantasai> lol
  92. # [22:17] <fantasai> Thanks, Ms2ger. :) I'm glad it's appreciated.
  93. # [22:21] <gsnedders> fantasai: I need to travel more. I seem to merge patches while travelling. :)
  94. # [22:23] <fantasai> hehe
  95. # [22:23] <fantasai> You should come to mor CSSWG meetings then :)
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  97. # [22:23] <gsnedders> fantasai: uni terms make that hard :(
  98. # [22:25] <fantasai> ah
  99. # [22:25] <gsnedders> I was meant to be going in March — but then date of assessment got changed two weeks before the meeting.
  100. # [22:25] <fantasai> :/
  101. # [22:26] <fantasai> TabAtkins: I'm reading over the FXTF minutes where you talk about flood()
  102. # [22:26] <fantasai> TabAtkins: What do you think of adding back image() but leaving out the annotations part?
  103. # [22:26] <fantasai> TabAtkins: I don't think that part of the spec is unstable at all
  104. # [22:27] <fantasai> TabAtkins: Also, wrt the concern about complex filter arguments...
  105. # [22:28] <fantasai> TabAtkins: I think if we stopped thinking about functional notation as a programming language function with comma-separated arguments
  106. # [22:28] <fantasai> TabAtkins: And started thinking of it as a way of delimiting a sub-part of CSS value notation
  107. # [22:28] <fantasai> TabAtkins: We'd get a lot more flexibility in how we specify arguments
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  111. # [23:07] <plinss> fantasai: I'm wavering on the rel value for negative references… currently it's 'not-reference' but I'm thinking it should really be 'reference negative', thoughts?
  112. # [23:08] <plinss> (and actually, 'or' positive references should be: 'reference alternate'…)
  113. # [23:23] <fantasai> plinss: No, that would give it two independent link types
  114. # [23:23] <fantasai> plinss: link types don't combine, it's an OR list
  115. # [23:23] <fantasai> plinss: with the one exception of alternate style sheet
  116. # [23:24] <fantasai> plinss: 'reference alternate' means "This is a reference for the document. This is also an alternate represenation of the current document."
  117. # [23:24] <fantasai> plinss: And the reference is most definitely not an alternate representation of the test
  118. # [23:24] <fantasai> plinss: A translation is an alternate representation
  119. # [23:24] <fantasai> plinss: or a PDF of the same document
  120. # [23:25] <fantasai> plinss: you could make a case for an alternate way of testing the same thing as being an alternate representation of the test
  121. # [23:25] <fantasai> plinss: but the reference itself is not an alternate representation of the test
  122. # [23:25] <plinss> neither is an alternate stylesheet… but I get your point
  123. # [23:26] <plinss> my proposal follows the alt-stylesheet pattern of the keyword being a modifier of the link type
  124. # [23:26] <plinss> but if alt-stylesheet is really just an exception then we shouldn't add more...
  125. # [23:26] <fantasai> right, and what I said above is that "alternate stylesheet" is an exception to the rule
  126. # [23:26] <fantasai> right
  127. # [23:27] <plinss> seems like something that should be fixed in html…
  128. # [23:27] <fantasai> It's not fixable
  129. # [23:28] <fantasai> It's just a mistake
  130. # [23:28] <fantasai> like white-space: nowrap
  131. # [23:29] <plinss> they could add another attribute for the modifier to the link type(s) and deprecate 'alternate stylesheet' (just recommend that authors use both for the foreseeable future…)
  132. # [23:29] <fantasai> I doubt that would be worth the trouble
  133. # [23:29] <fantasai> it doesn't cause any problems, it's just inconsistent
  134. # [23:29] <fantasai> but it's just a syntax thing
  135. # [23:29] <plinss> probably so
  136. # [23:29] <fantasai> like white-space: nowrap
  137. # [23:29] <fantasai> :)
  138. # [23:30] <plinss> (well it does cause problems for people who want to extend the syntax :-)
  139. # [23:31] <fantasai> no, you'd just do alternate-stylesheet
  140. # [23:31] <fantasai> or somesuch :)
  141. # [23:31] <fantasai> negative-reference
  142. # [23:32] <fantasai> rel="mismatch"
  143. # [23:32] <fantasai> rel="match"
  144. # [23:32] <fantasai> Maybe that would be better :)
  145. # [23:32] <fantasai> definitely shorter
  146. # [23:32] <fantasai> avoids any confusion about other meanings of "this is a reference link"
  147. # [23:33] <plinss> good point
  148. # [23:33] <plinss> match/mismatch then?
  149. # [23:34] <fantasai> works for me:)
  150. # [23:35] <plinss> ok, now that I just landed all the build changes… :-P (not a big deal to change them though)
  151. # [23:36] <fantasai> yeah, should be pretty straightforward...
  152. # [23:36] <fantasai> sorry I didn't think of it sooner?
  153. # [23:36] <plinss> me too
  154. # [23:36] <fantasai> ok, time to find some lunch
  155. # [23:36] <plinss> enjoy
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