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  85. # [17:26] <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/09/28-css-irc
  86. # [17:26] <glazou> Zakim, this will be Style
  87. # [17:26] <Zakim> ok, glazou; I see Style_CSS FP()12:00PM scheduled to start in 39 minutes
  88. # [17:26] <glazou> RRSAgent, make logs public
  89. # [17:26] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, glazou
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  96. # [17:53] <antonp> Hi, sorry, I'm away from my main machine where I have the dial-in number for the call stored. Please could somebody display it here? Thanks
  97. # [17:57] <hober> 1.617.761.6200
  98. # [17:58] <hober> pin 78953
  99. # [17:58] <antonp> thanks!
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  101. # [18:00] <hober> np
  102. # [18:00] <dsinger_> Dave sends regrets; his phone and such attention as he has are on the tracking call which is also happening now...
  103. # [18:01] <glazou> antonp: ask "Zakim, code?"
  104. # [18:01] <glazou> Zakim, code?
  105. # [18:01] <Zakim> the conference code is 78953 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), glazou
  106. # [18:01] <glazou> dsinger_: ok
  107. # [18:01] <Zakim> Style_CSS FP()12:00PM has now started
  108. # [18:01] <glazou> dsinger_: could be a short call anyway
  109. # [18:01] <Zakim> +plinss
  110. # [18:02] <Zakim> +??P19
  111. # [18:02] <glazou> Zakim, ??P19 is me
  112. # [18:02] <Zakim> -plinss
  113. # [18:02] <Zakim> +plinss
  114. # [18:02] <Zakim> +glazou; got it
  115. # [18:03] * hober is muted; on the bus
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  119. # [18:03] * dsinger_ ok, unless I persuade you to move dates of Paris, which is unlikely :-(
  120. # [18:03] <hober> Zakim, aaaa is me
  121. # [18:03] <Zakim> +??P8
  122. # [18:04] <Zakim> +hober; got it
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  124. # [18:04] <florian> Zakim, I am ??P8
  125. # [18:04] <Zakim> +florian; got it
  126. # [18:04] <Zakim> + +1.206.550.aabb
  127. # [18:04] <Zakim> + +1.206.324.aacc
  128. # [18:04] <sylvaing> Zakim, aacc is sylvaing
  129. # [18:04] <Zakim> +sylvaing; got it
  130. # [18:04] <danielweck> Dear CSS WG, I am only on IRC, no audio link.
  131. # [18:04] <stearns> Zakim, aabb is me
  132. # [18:04] <Zakim> +stearns; got it
  133. # [18:04] <glazou> danielweck: ok
  134. # [18:04] <danielweck> thx
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  136. # [18:04] <Zakim> +ChrisL
  137. # [18:05] <glazou> Zakim, mute glazou
  138. # [18:05] <Zakim> glazou should now be muted
  139. # [18:05] * sylvaing is back. What's this CSS thing again ?
  140. # [18:05] <Zakim> +??P26
  141. # [18:05] <glazou> Zakim, unmute glazou
  142. # [18:05] <Zakim> glazou should no longer be muted
  143. # [18:05] <smfr> sylvaing: see topic
  144. # [18:05] * ChrisL hopes sylvaing enjoyed Europe
  145. # [18:05] <Zakim> +Bert
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  147. # [18:05] <glazou> Zakim, who is on phone?
  148. # [18:05] <Zakim> I don't understand your question, glazou.
  149. # [18:05] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  150. # [18:05] <glazou> Zakim, who is here?
  151. # [18:05] <Zakim> On the phone I see plinss, glazou, hober, florian, stearns, sylvaing, ChrisL, ??P26, Bert, [Microsoft] (muted)
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  153. # [18:05] <Zakim> On IRC I see JohnJansen, Cathy, ChrisL, smfr, florian, dsinger_, myakura, sylvaing, antonp, miketayl_r, danielweck, RRSAgent, Zakim, glazou, lhnz, nimbupani, krijnh, Martijnc,
  154. # [18:05] <Zakim> ... stearns, arronei, plinss, Bert, shepazu, pjrm, hober, trackbot, gsnedders, TabAtkins, CSSWG_LogBot, ed, fantasai, Hixie
  155. # [18:06] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
  156. # [18:06] <arronei> zakim, microsoft has me
  157. # [18:06] <JohnJansen> zakim, microsoft has johnjansen
  158. # [18:06] <Zakim> + +1.408.636.aadd
  159. # [18:06] <Zakim> + +1.215.286.aaee
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  161. # [18:06] <smfr> Zakim, aadd is me
  162. # [18:06] <Zakim> +arronei; got it
  163. # [18:06] <fantasai> Zakim, mute P26
  164. # [18:06] <Zakim> +johnjansen; got it
  165. # [18:06] <smfr> Zakim had memory loss again
  166. # [18:06] <Zakim> +smfr; got it
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  168. # [18:06] <Zakim> sorry, fantasai, I do not know which phone connection belongs to P26
  169. # [18:06] <fantasai> Zakim, mute ??P26
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  171. # [18:06] * sylvaing smfr, i'm relieved to know there is a CSS I suck even more at....
  172. # [18:06] <glazou> Zakim, aaee is kimberlyblessing
  173. # [18:06] <Zakim> ??P26 should now be muted
  174. # [18:06] <Zakim> +kimberlyblessing; got it
  175. # [18:07] <fantasai> Zakim, ??P26 is fantasai
  176. # [18:07] <Zakim> +fantasai; got it
  177. # [18:07] <Zakim> + +975119aaff
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  179. # [18:07] <Zakim> + +1.415.832.aagg
  180. # [18:07] <cesar> zakim, aaff is me
  181. # [18:07] <Zakim> +cesar; got it
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  183. # [18:08] <Zakim> +??P43
  184. # [18:08] <glazou> vhardy: have you received the ENST call for 20th anniversary ?
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  187. # [18:09] <Zakim> + +47.21.65.aahh
  188. # [18:09] <antonp> Zakim, ??P43 is me
  189. # [18:09] <Zakim> +antonp; got it
  190. # [18:09] <Zakim> + +1.650.275.aaii
  191. # [18:09] * sylvaing ChrisL, most definitely did. Though shocked we managed a whole month without running into any strike or demonstration....
  192. # [18:09] <howcome> zakim, aahh is me
  193. # [18:09] <Zakim> +howcome; got it
  194. # [18:09] <bradk> Zakim, aaii is me
  195. # [18:10] <Zakim> +bradk; got it
  196. # [18:10] <Zakim> +SteveZ
  197. # [18:10] <fantasai> ScribeNick: fantasai
  198. # [18:10] <fantasai> zakim, unmute me
  199. # [18:10] <Zakim> fantasai should no longer be muted
  200. # [18:10] <fantasai> glazou: Any other items?
  201. # [18:11] <fantasai> glazou: Publishing CSS3 Fonts
  202. # [18:11] <fantasai> ChrisL: I had asked for a publication a few weeks ago, and jdaggett said there were a few edits pending.
  203. # [18:11] <Zakim> +dbaron
  204. # [18:11] <fantasai> ChrisL: I agree with publishing
  205. # [18:11] <fantasai> Bert: publish
  206. # [18:11] <fantasai> fantasai: In favor
  207. # [18:11] <Zakim> +Cathy
  208. # [18:11] <fantasai> glazou: Hearing no objection.
  209. # [18:12] <fantasai> RESOLVED: Publish update to css3-fonts
  210. # [18:12] <Zakim> -Cathy
  211. # [18:12] <fantasai> ACTION Chris: prepare publication
  212. # [18:12] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  213. # [18:12] * RRSAgent records action 1
  214. # [18:12] <trackbot> Created ACTION-366 - Prepare publication [on Chris Lilley - due 2011-10-05].
  215. # [18:12] <fantasai> glazou: Request from Dean to publish Transitions, Animations, and Transforms
  216. # [18:12] <fantasai> vhardy: Talked with Dean about this, [... merge document ... ]
  217. # [18:12] <fantasai> glazou: Are you saying Transitions and Animations are ok, but Transforms need more work?
  218. # [18:12] <fantasai> vhardy: Yes
  219. # [18:12] <fantasai> sylvaing: Merging 2D and 3D?
  220. # [18:13] <fantasai> vhardy: Yes. Also, work to make it work for both CSS and SVG
  221. # [18:13] <fantasai> ChrisL: .. FXTF ..
  222. # [18:13] <Zakim> +??P64
  223. # [18:13] <kojiishi> zakim, ??p64 is me
  224. # [18:13] <Zakim> +kojiishi; got it
  225. # [18:13] <fantasai> florian: At the F2F we agreed to merge, but didn't agree to block progress until the merge
  226. # [18:14] <fantasai> ChrisL: But if we agreed to merge, it'd be guiding people in the wrong direction to publish unmerged
  227. # [18:14] <fantasai> sylvaing: The only one reason to keep it split imo is because we have interop on a lot of the 2D stuff already
  228. # [18:14] <fantasai> sylvaing: if we want to unprefix
  229. # [18:14] <fantasai> smfr: It means that we snapshot the current //missed
  230. # [18:14] <fantasai> smfr: I'd like to publish 2D and 3D
  231. # [18:14] <dbaron> Whatever you say about publishing being misleading -- the current draft on the TR page is *more* misleading.
  232. # [18:14] <Zakim> +Cathy
  233. # [18:15] * fantasai dbaron, say that out loud?
  234. # [18:15] <fantasai> smfr: I see no harm in pushing to WD
  235. # [18:15] <fantasai> vhardy: I don't have a strong feeling about it
  236. # [18:15] <fantasai> dbaron: I think whatever you say about publishing being misleading, the drafts o nthe TR page right now are *more* misleading. There are errors that have been corrected since the last TR draft
  237. # [18:16] <fantasai> Florian: We can publish a draft with a note at the top saying that this is planned to be merged, so be careful
  238. # [18:16] <fantasai> smfr: suggests changelogs
  239. # [18:16] <fantasai> sylvaing: I was looking more for a Disposition of Comments thing, since there have been many changed
  240. # [18:16] * glazou is happy we don't have hyatt-style cvs log messages :-)
  241. # [18:17] <glazou> "whatever, r=me"
  242. # [18:17] <fantasai> fantasai: You can point to CVS logs if someone wants every detail, but you're better off just summarizing what the significant changes were
  243. # [18:17] <fantasai> sylvaing: Would be good to have, but not sure I'd hold up the publication for it
  244. # [18:18] <fantasai> sylvaing: There have been a lot of changes since the last publication
  245. # [18:18] <fantasai> glazou: Hearing group prefers to publish before merge, also that we'd prefer a changes section for all documents
  246. # [18:18] <fantasai> ChrisL: Also a note saying that the merge is happening
  247. # [18:19] <sylvaing> note that i don't necessarily need to see a change log/comment disposition in the spec; it can be a wiki issue page. As long as it's in a single spot i'm happy
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  250. # [18:19] <fantasai> RESOLVED: Publish Transitions, Animations, Transforms 2D, Transforms 3D, with merge note at top of Transforms.
  251. # [18:20] <fantasai> fantasai: Are we requiring the changes section here, or is it just a recommendation for the future?
  252. # [18:20] <fantasai> RESOLVED: Future documents need Changes sections before publication.
  253. # [18:21] <fantasai> Topic: column-span and margin-collapsing
  254. # [18:21] <fantasai> howcome: We're trying to solve some edge cases, not core multicol layout, but should resolve it anyway
  255. # [18:21] <fantasai> howcome: Tried to write down 3 options we have
  256. # [18:21] <glazou> http://www.w3.org/mid/CAAWBYDDsU4AbBk=g5bWQKN5aP9DqOHZW80VBbtXsWQsO7QvAOg@mail.gmail.com
  257. # [18:22] * alexmog calling in
  258. # [18:22] <glazou> http://www.w3.org/mid/20099.15290.322422.741716@gargle.gargle.HOWL
  259. # [18:22] <fantasai> howcome: One is fantasai's proposal -- spanners create an anonymous BFC, which allows margin collapsing as well as cross-spanner floats
  260. # [18:23] <Zakim> + +1.425.246.aajj
  261. # [18:23] <alexmog> zakim, aajj is me
  262. # [18:23] <Zakim> +alexmog; got it
  263. # [18:23] <fantasai> howcome: One is MS's proposal -- spanners are each BFCs, but their margins don't collapse
  264. # [18:23] <fantasai> howcome: Opera's behavior is that each is spanner is BFC, but margin collapsing is allowed between them
  265. # [18:24] <fantasai> alexmog: We're trying to solve a very specific case, and not trying to create something where colspans behave as a float
  266. # [18:24] <fantasai> alexmog: It's a workaround for ?
  267. # [18:24] <fantasai> alexmog: If what we want to have is that a number of spanners would be as if it wasn't in multicol, that would make much more sense
  268. # [18:24] <fantasai> alexmog: If you have content that wouldn't look like that in another browser, it would look like that in this case
  269. # [18:25] <fantasai> alexmog: Something in the middle, I'm really uncomfortable with that
  270. # [18:25] <fantasai> howcome: Have I written up the proposals correctly?
  271. # [18:25] <glazou> http://www.w3.org/mid/20099.15290.322422.741716@gargle.gargle.HOWL
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  273. # [18:25] * glazou thinks we should try to avoid discussing stuff sent 20 minutes before the call...
  274. # [18:26] <fantasai> TabAtkins, you didn't check floats behavior for WebKit, we need that info
  275. # [18:27] <fantasai> howcome: I would prefer Opera's solution, since it already states that spanners create BFCs, so it's most consistent.
  276. # [18:27] <fantasai> howcome: Second most consistent with current spec is MS
  277. # [18:27] <fantasai> howcome: fantasai's proposal would require most changes
  278. # [18:27] * sylvaing "I don't have really strong opinions about this"->"I'll pretend I don't for a minute"
  279. # [18:28] <fantasai> howcome: I checked WebKit and they do have cross-floats
  280. # [18:28] <fantasai> Florian: We should clarify the spec so we can all do the same thing instead of all different things
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  282. # [18:30] <Bert> (I prefer: 1. fantasai, 2. Op,.... 9. MS.)
  283. # [18:30] <fantasai> fantasai: Mozilla hasn't implemented yet, probably ok with any of these
  284. # [18:30] <fantasai> fantasai: I think we should ask some authors for what they thing
  285. # [18:31] <fantasai> fantasai: It's a deeply technical issue to understand, but it has a significant impact on what they do and how they will use this feature
  286. # [18:31] <fantasai> fantasai: They care a lot about margins and spacing, if it's a few px off they're upset. They're going to be dealing with whatever behavior we decide
  287. # [18:32] <fantasai> howcome: I don't think authors care much about margin-collapsing, my priority is to make sure we all pass the test suite
  288. # [18:32] <fantasai> bradk: fantasai's proposal is closest to what we get with collapsing when no support for multicol
  289. # [18:32] <fantasai> alexmog: It's not just margin collapsing, but also cross-float interactions
  290. # [18:32] <fantasai> glazou: Sounds like everyone agrees we need more input
  291. # [18:32] <fantasai> glazou: howcome, you have action to post message to mailing list with request for help
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  293. # [18:33] <fantasai> ACTION howcome: Post to mailing list asking for input on margin-collapsing col-span issue
  294. # [18:33] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  295. # [18:33] * RRSAgent records action 2
  296. # [18:33] <trackbot> Created ACTION-367 - Post to mailing list asking for input on margin-collapsing col-span issue [on Håkon Wium Lie - due 2011-10-05].
  297. # [18:33] <fantasai> ACTION howcome: post testcase
  298. # [18:33] * RRSAgent records action 3
  299. # [18:33] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  300. # [18:33] <trackbot> Created ACTION-368 - Post testcase [on Håkon Wium Lie - due 2011-10-05].
  301. # [18:33] <fantasai> glazou: If we could have the input for the F2F, that would be cool.
  302. # [18:33] * fantasai can post to the WG blog as well, to get a wider audience.
  303. # [18:34] <fantasai> glazou: Next topic is Tracking Animatable Properties
  304. # [18:34] * Bert thinks *everybody* can post to the blog now :-)
  305. # [18:34] <glazou> fantasai: yes please
  306. # [18:34] <fantasai> smfr: This came out of some emails on www-style about property lists for animatable stuff being incorrect
  307. # [18:34] <fantasai> smfr: The problem is we have one centralized list, it has to track everything that's changing
  308. # [18:34] <fantasai> smfr: Proposal is to move things into each property definition, whether it is animatable or not
  309. # [18:35] <fantasai> glazou: Animatable and transitionable, is it the same thing?
  310. # [18:35] <fantasai> smfr: Idea would be adding extra line to table to describe whether it's animatable and how it interpolates
  311. # [18:35] <fantasai> fantasai: would go in proptable.
  312. # [18:36] <fantasai> fantasai: Anne wanted a line for serialization order -- we can add both
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  314. # [18:36] <fantasai> dbaron: The Transitions spec should define how each value type is animated, so they can link to that
  315. # [18:36] <fantasai> dbaron: Wrt serialization, maybe get further on how we want to define serialization
  316. # [18:37] <fantasai> dbaron: Transitions spec should list animatable properties for specs further ahead of it in the Process, e.g. 2.1
  317. # [18:38] <fantasai> RESOLVED: Add Animatable: line to propdef tables
  318. # [18:38] <fantasai> ACTION smfr: Create examples of Animatable: lines so we can put in template for copy/tweaking
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  321. # [18:38] <trackbot> Created ACTION-369 - Create examples of Animatable: lines so we can put in template for copy/tweaking [on Simon Fraser - due 2011-10-05].
  322. # [18:38] <glazou> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2011Sep/0182.html
  323. # [18:38] <fantasai> Topic: CSS Conditional
  324. # [18:39] <dbaron> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2011Sep/0468.html
  325. # [18:39] * alexmog have to get in the car
  326. # [18:39] <glazou> ok alexmog
  327. # [18:39] <fantasai> dbaron: I think it's a reasonable proposal, but I'm a little worried of what the effects are going to be.
  328. # [18:40] <Zakim> -alexmog
  329. # [18:40] <fantasai> dbaron: All of @supports has that worry, but I just worry that this might tend a bit too much towards accidentally writing something browser-specific.
  330. # [18:40] <fantasai> dbaron: once you have the thing, you tend to stick stuff in it, and then you wind up requiring more and more, even though it's not actually required
  331. # [18:41] <fantasai> fantasai: What about combining that with the !supports proposal from earlier? That way you'd have to mark what you're actually requiring, but you don't have to write it twice.
  332. # [18:41] <fantasai> dbaron: Mixed feelings about that syntax, but it doesn't have that problem.
  333. # [18:41] <dbaron> (I think it was !required at the time...)
  334. # [18:41] <fantasai> Florian: I completely see the worries you have about this 'all' thing, but at the same time from a coding point of view you get problem of things getting out-of-sync
  335. # [18:41] <fantasai> between body and @supports list
  336. # [18:42] <fantasai> fantasai: Don't see us coming up with a solution here, so let's kick back to mailing list
  337. # [18:42] <fantasai> glazou: So no resolution
  338. # [18:42] <glazou> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2011Sep/0402.html
  339. # [18:42] <fantasai> Topic: New pseudo-class for CSS4-UI :drag-over
  340. # [18:43] <fantasai> glazou: Proposal to rename to :valid-drop-zone
  341. # [18:43] <fantasai> dbaron: That doesn't seem to imply there's something being dragged over it right now
  342. # [18:43] <fantasai> smfr: :valid-drop-target
  343. # [18:43] <dbaron> Florian: :active-drop-zone
  344. # [18:43] <fantasai> Florian: :active-drop-zone
  345. # [18:44] <sylvaing> :drop-zone-hover
  346. # [18:44] <fantasai> ChrisL: :active for links implies activation right now, not quite the same
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  348. # [18:44] <fantasai> ChrisL: I can imagine things being considered an active drop zone without there being any mouse activity
  349. # [18:45] <fantasai> ChrisL: Do we want this specifically tied to mouse activity? Or not? Should be clear what we're targetting.
  350. # [18:45] <fantasai> hober: Tied to drag-n-drop
  351. # [18:45] <fantasai> smfr: Might be touch events, not just mouse events
  352. # [18:45] <bradk> :active-drag-target
  353. # [18:45] <fantasai> ChrisL: Right. <gives example>
  354. # [18:46] <sylvaing> bradk, should be drop-target imo...
  355. # [18:46] <ChrisL> :active-dragged
  356. # [18:47] <bradk> syvaing, yes, right. :active-drop-target
  357. # [18:47] <fantasai> fantasai tries to give an example of keyboard control of dragging things, but this seems not to be an example of drag-n-drop
  358. # [18:47] <hober> s/hober/???/
  359. # [18:47] <bradk> :active-dragged could be the thing you are dragging
  360. # [18:47] <sylvaing> :drop-focus ? The element current has focus for dropping purposes...
  361. # [18:47] <ChrisL> happy with . :active-drop-target too
  362. # [18:48] <fantasai> glazou: Seems we like :active-drop-target, but did not discuss proposal itself
  363. # [18:49] <fantasai> glazou: Does everyone agree we should have that in CSS4 UI?
  364. # [18:49] <fantasai> RESOLVED: Adopt :drag-over with some better kind of name
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  366. # [18:51] <ChrisL> :schroedinger-drop
  367. # [18:51] <fantasai> fantasai: On the mailing list there was some discussion of having :drop-zone with :not(:drop-zone) vs :valid-drop-zone and :invalid-drop-zone with :not(:valid-drop-zone):not(:invalid-drop-zone) being neither
  368. # [18:51] <fantasai> smfr: Thinks its a platform difference, Apple we never show invalid drop targets, but some platforms might show targets differently if you can drop to them, but not with the thing you're dragging
  369. # [18:52] <fantasai> smfr: Would prefer to keep it simple and not have :valid vs. :invalid
  370. # [18:52] <sylvaing> :drop-bikeshedding
  371. # [18:52] <fantasai> glazou: In that case we should use :valid-drop-target, to keep that door open
  372. # [18:52] <fantasai> RESOLVED: Adopt as :valid-drop-target
  373. # [18:53] <fantasai> Topic: <em> and text-emphasis-style
  374. # [18:53] <fantasai> glazou: jdaggett suggested we should wait on this, since we don't have wide support for that yet
  375. # [18:53] <fantasai> Florian: That's quite reasonable. Italics look wrong in Japanese, but if half browsers are doing that and half not, that's not going to be interoperable
  376. # [18:53] <sylvaing> fwiw, to me :valid-drop-target does not imply the class applies only when something is dragged over it
  377. # [18:54] <fantasai> glazou: One cool thing, using @supports we can style <em> conditionally on support for text-emphasis-style
  378. # [18:54] <sylvaing> tabs vs. spaces ?
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  380. # [18:55] <fantasai> glazou: any other topics?
  381. # [18:55] <fantasai> fantasai: CSS Speech closing LC period in 2 days
  382. # [18:55] <fantasai> fantasai: dweck has started a Disposition of Comments on wiki
  383. # [18:55] <fantasai> http://wiki.csswg.org/spec/css3-speech
  384. # [18:55] <fantasai> fantasai: If no other issues come in, let's plan to adopt the DoC next week
  385. # [18:56] <fantasai> smfr: Apple has some comments, need to send them in
  386. # [18:56] <fantasai> glazou: anyone here implementing a voice browser?
  387. # [18:56] <fantasai> fantasai: Opera has some support for CSS Speech
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  389. # [18:57] <Zakim> -kimberlyblessing
  390. # [18:57] <Zakim> -ChrisL
  391. # [18:57] <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
  392. # [18:57] <Zakim> -dbaron
  393. # [18:57] <Zakim> -antonp
  394. # [18:57] <Zakim> -SteveZ
  395. # [18:57] <Zakim> -[Microsoft.a]
  396. # [18:57] <fantasai> Meeting closed.
  397. # [18:57] <Zakim> -Cathy
  398. # [18:57] <Zakim> -hober
  399. # [18:57] * Parts: antonp (50a94e63@207.192.75.252)
  400. # [18:57] <Zakim> -Bert
  401. # [18:57] * Parts: cesar (acebal@85.152.178.139)
  402. # [18:57] <Zakim> -kojiishi
  403. # [18:57] <Zakim> -fantasai
  404. # [18:57] <Zakim> -stearns
  405. # [18:57] <Zakim> -sylvaing
  406. # [18:57] <Zakim> -howcome
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  408. # [18:57] <Zakim> -plinss
  409. # [18:57] <Zakim> -bradk
  410. # [18:57] <Zakim> -cesar
  411. # [18:57] <Zakim> -florian
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  413. # [18:58] <Zakim> -smfr
  414. # [18:58] <fantasai> Bert: Can you send a reminder to the WGs we pinged that there are 2 days left to either comment or request an extension?
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  418. # [18:59] <Bert> OK, will do.
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  420. # [19:03] <fantasai> maybe also mention to the voice browser wg / Paul Bagshaw that Daniel Weck's response should be considered worthy of a reply if one is warranted -- not waiting for CSSWG to agree with him before replying. We've had this problem with other WGs before...
  421. # [19:04] <Bert> OK
  422. # [19:05] <danielweck> Fantasai said: "not waiting for CSSWG to agree with him before replying. We've had this problem with other WGs before..."
  423. # [19:05] <danielweck> Daniel asks: what do you mean exactly?
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  428. # [19:20] <danielweck> Oh I see, "him" is me (daniel), right?
  429. # [19:22] <Bert> Correct. It has happened in the past that somebody from the WG answered a comment on the mailing list and subsequently the WG concluded that that answer was in fact the WG's answer. But the WG only made that known in the disposition of comments, i.e., several weeks later. We should in general better inform the mailing list about what is an official WG answers and what an individual member's answer, even if that member is the editor.
  430. # [19:23] <Zakim> - +1.415.832.aagg
  431. # [19:23] <Zakim> -glazou
  432. # [19:23] <Zakim> Style_CSS FP()12:00PM has ended
  433. # [19:24] <Zakim> Attendees were plinss, glazou, +1.619.846.aaaa, hober, florian, +1.206.550.aabb, +1.206.324.aacc, sylvaing, stearns, ChrisL, Bert, +1.408.636.aadd, +1.215.286.aaee, arronei,
  434. # [19:24] <Zakim> ... johnjansen, smfr, kimberlyblessing, fantasai, +975119aaff, +1.415.832.aagg, cesar, +47.21.65.aahh, antonp, +1.650.275.aaii, howcome, bradk, SteveZ, dbaron, Cathy, kojiishi,
  435. # [19:24] <Zakim> ... +1.425.246.aajj, alexmog
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  437. # [19:25] <danielweck> Thanks Bert!
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