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  9. # [00:59] <dbaron> so we had all those discussions about the definition of blur radius a year or so ago
  10. # [01:00] <dbaron> there hasn't been a rush to implement them (I did... haven't checked if IE did)
  11. # [01:00] <dbaron> so I finally got around to writing a test:
  12. # [01:00] <dbaron> http://test.csswg.org/source/contributors/mozilla/submitted/css3-background/box-shadow/box-shadow-blur-definition-001.xht
  13. # [01:01] <fantasai> cool
  14. # [01:03] <dbaron> just tweaked the wording
  15. # [01:07] <dbaron> hmmm, the previous version link in the editor's draft of css3-background is actually 2 versions back
  16. # [01:11] <fantasai> probably forgot to update it after the publication
  17. # [01:12] <fantasai> fixed
  18. # [01:16] <fantasai> stearns: You should post that question to www-style: what should happen when column-count: 2 and display: flexbox are set on the same element?
  19. # [01:17] <fantasai> stearns: I think it's a fair question, and probably should be equivalent to placing a flexbox inside a multicol element, except the box edges coincide
  20. # [01:18] <stearns> fantasai: it's answered in the spec - column-count computes to its initial value
  21. # [01:18] <fantasai> stearns: hm, in that case I'll want to file an issue on that.
  22. # [01:18] <stearns> :)
  23. # [01:19] <fantasai> stearns: I generally don't like it when one property overrides another unconditionally :)
  24. # [01:19] <stearns> http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-flexbox/#display-flexbox
  25. # [01:19] <fantasai> stearns: Sometimes it's unavoidable
  26. # [01:19] <fantasai> stearns: But in this case... I think you'd have to implement the functionality anyway, if you implement both modules
  27. # [01:22] <stearns> fantasai: perhaps CSS3-flexbox could omit some things, but a CSS4-flexbox could address them?
  28. # [01:23] <fantasai> stearns: Generally, you can't change anything between levels
  29. # [01:23] <fantasai> stearns: you can add new functionality
  30. # [01:24] <fantasai> stearns: but you can't change existing behavior
  31. # [01:24] <stearns> fantasai: ah, ok
  32. # [01:42] <fantasai> stearns: That's why we call the Levels and not Versions :)
  33. # [01:44] <stearns> fantasai: so what's the mechanism for punt now, deal with it later? Say that flexbox and column interaction is undefined for now?
  34. # [01:47] <fantasai> stearns: Yes.
  35. # [01:48] <fantasai> stearns: But I don't think we can punt on something that major
  36. # [01:48] <stearns> fantasai: I'd rather have columns work, but I'm assuming it was an attempt to reduce complexity
  37. # [01:48] <fantasai> stearns: Yeah, probably.
  38. # [01:48] <stearns> fantasai: and I'm also assuming there's a good reason to omit floats
  39. # [01:49] <fantasai> stearns: If you have use cases for flexbox and multi-col, I'd love to hear about them, just to understand the situation better :)
  40. # [01:49] <fantasai> stearns: wrt floats .... that's an easy one to answer :)
  41. # [01:49] <fantasai> stearns: A flexbox creates a BFC, which means that no floats outside it can intrude into it
  42. # [01:50] <fantasai> stearns: There was a decision that flexbox items can't float within the flexbox (which I agree with, it'd be crazy if they could)
  43. # [01:50] <stearns> fantasai: yeah, that makes sense
  44. # [01:50] <fantasai> stearns: So at that point neither floats nor clears can have any effect within the flexbox
  45. # [01:51] <stearns> fantasai: on columns, if you're using flexbox to lay out a web app UI, I can see ignoring multicol
  46. # [01:51] <fantasai> stearns: Flexbox items are also BFCs, and if they contain block layout, then there can be floats inside them; but those floats can't affect anything outside
  47. # [01:52] <stearns> fantasai: but if you're using flexbox to lay out a content page, then I could see wanting to use multicol
  48. # [01:52] <fantasai> stearns: got a more specific example?
  49. # [01:52] <stearns> fantasai: but perhaps you'd just add a multicol child to the flexbox child
  50. # [01:53] <fantasai> not that I disagree we should investigate this, but I'm having a hard time imagining what to use it for
  51. # [01:53] <fantasai> though I suspect it would be useful
  52. # [01:54] <stearns> fantasai: let me think a bit - I'll post to www-style if I come up with something
  53. # [01:54] <fantasai> cool
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  66. # [03:18] <fantasai> hober: What's with the descendant selectors in https://github.com/hober/mothereffingquotestyles/blob/master/quote-styles.css ?
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  158. # [23:20] <fantasai> Hey Bert, how come Selectors 3 was left out of the Previous Versions field in Selectors 4?
  159. # [23:20] <Bert> Because pubrules required it.
  160. # [23:21] <Bert> It is either a new draft of a Selectors3 or first draft of Selectors4, but in the latter case it must have empty Previous Version.
  161. # [23:22] <Bert> It's also part of the RDF vocabulary used to describe the relation between specs.
  162. # [23:31] <fantasai> I see
  163. # [23:34] <Bert> We'll need one or more blog posts about the three specs of today, don't we? Who will write it/them?
  164. # [23:50] <fantasai> I suppose I can do that, since I'm editing all three of them. :)
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