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- # [17:40] <glazou> Zakim, this will be Style
- # [17:40] <Zakim> ok, glazou; I see Style_CSS FP()12:00PM scheduled to start in 26 minutes
- # [17:40] <glazou> RRSAgent, make logs public
- # [17:40] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, glazou
- # [17:45] * mollydotcom passes hot tea to glazou
- # [17:45] <glazou> sigh
- # [17:45] <glazou> thanks mollydotcom
- # [17:45] <glazou> I already have a cup of hot tea in front of me
- # [17:45] <glazou> right next to the pills :(
- # [17:46] <mollydotcom> I had something similar that lasted nearly 3 weeks. FINALLY over it now. You should be resting! It looks like most of the group is full of regrets today
- # [17:48] <glazou> yeah, we'll see
- # [17:48] <glazou> could be a short call
- # [17:50] <ChrisL> zakim, make hot tea for everyone :)
- # [17:50] <Zakim> I'm glad that smiley is there, ChrisL
- # [17:50] <glazou> eh
- # [17:50] <glazou> thanks ChrisL
- # [17:51] * mollydotcom enjoying mine iced :)
- # [17:51] <glazou> g'ah
- # [17:51] <mollydotcom> lol
- # [17:51] <glazou> just the idea of drinking a _cold_ drink makes me faint
- # [17:51] <ChrisL> southern us thing. sweet or unsweet?
- # [17:52] <mollydotcom> US thing at large. Unsweet (not southern)
- # [17:52] <glazou> eh
- # [17:52] <mollydotcom> sweet tea is mostly found in the south, whereas the rest of us drink it on the rocks
- # [17:52] <glazou> last february when I was in the US, it was 17°C outside ; my hotel had air conditioning ON and it was set at 17°C...
- # [17:52] <glazou> go figure
- # [17:52] <ChrisL> and served in 2 litre containers with free refils?
- # [17:53] <mollydotcom> I make it fresh at home
- # [17:54] <mollydotcom> we do sun tea here in the desert. Gallon of water in a big glass jar along with your fave tea (leaves or bags) - set outside in the sun to brew, strain if needed, chill. Nom!
- # [17:54] <glazou> they have rather the same in the west indies but with s/water/rhum :-)
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- # [17:55] * glazou could drink a rhum with some honey inside, but probably after the call :-)
- # [17:55] <mollydotcom> rhum as in Rum, glazou?
- # [17:55] <glazou> sorry, french spelling
- # [17:56] <mollydotcom> no worries, just clarifying - I can't drink rhum
- # [17:56] <mollydotcom> way too sweet.
- # [17:56] <glazou> eh, you have not tested good rum then
- # [17:57] <glazou> http://www.ministryofrum.com/rumdetails.php?r=80
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- # [17:57] * mollydotcom wonders whether it's a good idea to be walking down the rum trail with glazou ...
- # [17:58] * ChrisL offers a single malt whisky trail as an alternative
- # [17:59] * mollydotcom thinks you're going to all get me in trouble. Again. We have work to do! Look sharp lads!
- # [17:59] <glazou> work ?? uuuuh
- # [17:59] <glazou> :-/
- # [17:59] <mollydotcom> glazou doesn't have to look sharp today, he has a sick note.
- # [18:00] <ChrisL> I am working. testing font squirrel woff generation
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- # [18:00] * glazou does what he can, today...
- # [18:00] <mollydotcom> oh, cool ChrisL
- # [18:00] <glazou> ChrisL: and I am ranting about html5 parsing rules
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- # [18:01] <johnjansen> glazou, Microsoft is about to have a firedrill and we will need to evacuate the building... it should take about 20 minutes.
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- # [18:01] <glazou> johnjansen: ROFL, ok
- # [18:01] * ChrisL suspects a small telcon over before the fire drill ends
- # [18:01] <glazou> I think this conf call does not start well :-)
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- # [18:02] <Zakim> Style_CSS FP()12:00PM has now started
- # [18:02] <Zakim> + +93550aaaa
- # [18:02] <aprowse> Zakim, aaaa is antonp
- # [18:02] <Zakim> +antonp; got it
- # [18:02] <Zakim> + +1.206.675.aabb
- # [18:03] <stearns> Zakim, aabb is me
- # [18:03] <Zakim> +stearns; got it
- # [18:03] <Zakim> +ChrisL
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- # [18:04] <glazou> grrr Zakim
- # [18:04] <Zakim> +??P53
- # [18:04] <florianr> Zakim, I am ??P53
- # [18:04] <Zakim> +florianr; got it
- # [18:04] <Zakim> +??P57
- # [18:04] <glazou> Zakim, ??P57 is me
- # [18:04] <Zakim> +glazou; got it
- # [18:04] <glazou> Zakim, who is noisy?
- # [18:05] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
- # [18:05] <Zakim> glazou, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: stearns (9%), glazou (15%)
- # [18:05] <johnjansen> zakim, microsoft has johnjansen
- # [18:05] <Zakim> +johnjansen; got it
- # [18:05] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
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- # [18:05] <arronei> zakim, microsoft has me
- # [18:05] <Zakim> +arronei; got it
- # [18:05] <johnjansen> there goes the alarm... back in a bit
- # [18:05] <arronei> and there goes the fire alarm...
- # [18:06] <Zakim> +Molly_Holzschlag
- # [18:07] <Zakim> +dbaron
- # [18:07] <glazou> Zakim, who is on phone?
- # [18:07] <Zakim> I don't understand your question, glazou.
- # [18:07] <Zakim> + +1.284.626.aacc
- # [18:07] <glazou> Zakim, who is on the phone?
- # [18:07] <ChrisL> zakim, who is here?
- # [18:07] <Zakim> +plinss
- # [18:08] <Zakim> On the phone I see antonp, stearns, ChrisL, florianr, glazou, [Microsoft], [Microsoft.a], Molly_Holzschlag, dbaron, +1.284.626.aacc, plinss
- # [18:08] <Zakim> [Microsoft] has arronei
- # [18:08] <cesar> zakim, aacc is me
- # [18:08] * dbaron finds the "who is here" answers very annoying since it lists everybody on IRC too...
- # [18:08] <Zakim> On the phone I see antonp, stearns, ChrisL, florianr, glazou, [Microsoft], [Microsoft.a], Molly_Holzschlag, dbaron, +1.284.626.aacc, plinss
- # [18:08] <Zakim> [Microsoft] has arronei
- # [18:08] <Zakim> +cesar; got it
- # [18:08] <Zakim> On IRC I see cesar, antonp, Martijnc, stearns, johnjansen, oyvind, RRSAgent, Zakim, glazou, florianr, mollydotcom, kojiishi, dbaron, ChrisL, karl, miketaylr, Florian, hober,
- # [18:08] <Zakim> ... arronei, anne, lhnz, TabAtkins, krijnh, CSSWG_LogBot, myakura, gsnedders, ed, fantasai, plinss, Hixie, pjrm, trackbot, Bert, shepazu
- # [18:09] <glazou> Regrets from hardy, danielw, kimberlyblessing, dsinger, sylvaing and smfr
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- # [18:09] * dbaron notes area code 284 is the british virgin islands
- # [18:10] <dbaron> Tab sent regrets in https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-css-wg/2011OctDec/0002.html
- # [18:10] * mollydotcom suggests the islands as a next meeting spot
- # [18:11] <Zakim> +Bert
- # [18:11] <dbaron> ScribeNick: dbaron
- # [18:11] <dbaron> glazou: Extra items for today?
- # [18:11] <dbaron> Bert: I sent an item about the IDPF -- the epub plans.
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- # [18:12] <Zakim> +??P37
- # [18:12] * Bert excuses for the delay, phone wasn't working :-(
- # [18:12] * dbaron Zakim, ??P37 is kojiishi
- # [18:12] * Zakim +kojiishi; got it
- # [18:12] <glazou> http://www.w3.org/mid/CAAWBYDAbkFf6jtK_aQBwTgOsBmE5c=vs1fnQkk30ZBXwew_qjA@mail.gmail.com
- # [18:12] <dbaron> Topic: Publishing css3-images as last call
- # [18:12] <Zakim> +SteveZ
- # [18:12] <dbaron> Chris: last call is a good thing -- requires having no open issues. Brad was arguing that his issue hadn't been resolved.
- # [18:13] <dbaron> glazou: Brad said he hadn't yet had time to answer Tab's last message on the thread but planned to do so.
- # [18:13] <dbaron> glazou: agree to wait?
- # [18:13] <dbaron> Chris: Should probably have a time limit -- ask Brad to respond within 2 weeks, or alternatively raise it as an LC comment.
- # [18:14] <dbaron> ACTION Chris: email Brad (on public ML) asking Brad to respond within 2 weeks
- # [18:14] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
- # [18:14] * RRSAgent records action 1
- # [18:14] <trackbot> Created ACTION-370 - Email Brad (on public ML) asking Brad to respond within 2 weeks [on Chris Lilley - due 2011-10-12].
- # [18:14] <ChrisL> rrsagent, here
- # [18:14] <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2011/10/05-css-irc#T16-08-41-2
- # [18:14] <glazou> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-css-wg/2011JulSep/0358.html
- # [18:14] <cesar> By the way, about the British Virgin Islands, I think it's me (well, not me: I am in Asturias, Spain) but the VoIP server or something like that. ;)
- # [18:14] <dbaron> Topic: note on non-actively-maintained specs
- # [18:15] <dbaron> Chris: sounds like a good idea... though I'd have put css3-values in the same category until it was recently revived
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- # [18:15] <dbaron> florian: unmaintained doesn't mean it won't be maintained again in the future
- # [18:15] <dbaron> glazou: (1) agree w/ florian (2) we should reflect the warning also in the list of documents we maintain on the roadmap
- # [18:15] * fantasai is still waiting for the phone connection to go through
- # [18:16] <dbaron> florian: Helps new people coming along -- avoid wasting their time.
- # [18:16] <Zakim> +??P0
- # [18:16] <fantasai> Zakim, ??P0 is me
- # [18:16] <Zakim> +fantasai; got it
- # [18:16] <dbaron> glazou: Tab is volunteering to make the edits.
- # [18:16] <dbaron> glazou: I suggest I email him about what we just said and let him do the edits.
- # [18:16] <dbaron> glazou: ok for everyone?
- # [18:16] <dbaron> Bert: several of these have been published. Should we put something on the TR page? That's the more important publication than the CVS one.
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- # [18:16] <dbaron> glazou: doable?
- # [18:16] <dbaron> Bert: we can certainly republish w/ new status section
- # [18:17] <dbaron> glazou: let's do that
- # [18:17] <dbaron> glazou: Once the edits are made (by Tab), I suggest we publish
- # [18:17] * bradk is having serious phone issues. Two phones, can't call out.
- # [18:17] <dbaron> dbaron: editor's draft may be substantially different from TR page draft
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- # [18:18] <Zakim> + +1.650.766.aadd
- # [18:19] <dbaron> dbaron: ... (fill in later)
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- # [18:19] <bradk> Zakim, aadd is me
- # [18:19] <Zakim> +bradk; got it
- # [18:19] <dbaron> css3-linebox
- # [18:19] <dbaron> something else mentioned
- # [18:19] <dbaron> Steve: css3-linebox -- John wants to edit in near future
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- # [18:20] <dbaron> dbaron: I'd rather somebody spend 10 minutes thinking about the issue
- # [18:20] <dbaron> glazou: On what basis would you make a decision?
- # [18:21] <dbaron> Steve: One idea is to republish TR draft with note that it's no longer maintain, but also link to editor's draft
- # [18:21] <dbaron> glazou: That way the edits are easy to make and we have a link to the editor's draft
- # [18:21] <dbaron> dbaron: fine with me
- # [18:21] <dbaron> glazou: steve's proposal accepted
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- # [18:21] <dbaron> RESOLUTION: for TR drafts, republish the existing TR drafts with the note, and add pointer to editor's draft
- # [18:22] <dbaron> RESOLUTION: tab to add warning to unmaintained editors drafts
- # [18:23] <dbaron> [discussion with brad about responding to issue]
- # [18:23] <dbaron> Topic: TPAC
- # [18:24] <dbaron> glazou: reminder, register for TPAC if you plan to attend. There's a fee, which gets a lot higher if you don't register in time. Also book travel and hotel. There are also less expensive hotels nearby (Avatar hotel across street).
- # [18:24] <dbaron> glazou: I'll send link to Avatar after the call.
- # [18:24] <dbaron> glazou: We also need to collect agenda items for the TPAC. Is there a wiki page for that already?
- # [18:24] <dbaron> glazou: I'm waiting for the final answer for Paris -- we exceed 24 for the first meeting room I was planning.
- # [18:25] <Bert> -> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35125/TPAC2011/ TPAC registration form
- # [18:26] <dbaron> https://www.w3.org/Style/Group/meetings.html
- # [18:26] <dbaron> if we migrate to wiki, should only migrate down to point where minutes became public
- # [18:27] <fantasai> http://wiki.csswg.org/planning/tpac-2011
- # [18:27] <dbaron> molly: I'll migrate that to wiki
- # [18:27] <dbaron> molly: and set up wiki pagefor tpac meeting
- # [18:27] <glazou> www.jdvhotels.com/hotels/avatar
- # [18:27] * fantasai wonders where the charter is?
- # [18:28] <fantasai> Bert -- http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/members.en points to the old charter, do we have a new one?
- # [18:28] <dbaron> Topic: IDPF
- # [18:28] <dbaron> Bert: working on epub -- we've been working on vertical text in text module
- # [18:28] <dbaron> Bert: they recently decided to start new WG on adaptive dynamic layout
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- # [18:28] <johnjansen> http://www.w3.org/2010/09/CSSWG/charter.html
- # [18:29] <dbaron> Bert: for multicol, grid positioning, and other things
- # [18:29] <dbaron> Bert: It's clear we won't be able to match their schedule; they want it done by July next year.
- # [18:29] <dbaron> Bert: We can help them along ... things may need prefixes. And keep in contact so we know what they want and they know what we can do.
- # [18:30] <dbaron> Bert: How do we do the coordination?
- # [18:30] <dbaron> Bert: Brady Duga (chair of new WG) is in CSS WG
- # [18:30] <dbaron> Bert: Would be good if somebody participating in layout stuff from our side were involved in their meetings.
- # [18:30] <dbaron> glazou: You said that ??? is going to attend TPAC or find somebody else more technical.
- # [18:31] <dbaron> glazou: If we have a representative there at TPAC, shouldn't we discuss this at TPAC?
- # [18:31] <dbaron> ACTION: glazou to invite Bill McCoy to CSS Working group's meeting at TPAC to discuss coordination with IDPF
- # [18:31] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
- # [18:31] * RRSAgent records action 2
- # [18:31] <trackbot> Created ACTION-371 - Invite Bill McCoy to CSS Working group's meeting at TPAC to discuss coordination with IDPF [on Daniel Glazman - due 2011-10-12].
- # [18:32] <dbaron> Steve: and invite as many IDPF participants as could attend
- # [18:32] <dbaron> glazou: I'll do that
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- # [18:32] <dbaron> glazou: We have at least 2 implementors of epub in the WG (Adobe and me), also Koji
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- # [18:33] <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
- # [18:34] <dbaron> glazou: ok, short meeting. talk to you next week.
- # [18:34] <Zakim> -ChrisL
- # [18:34] <Zakim> -florianr
- # [18:34] <Zakim> -bradk
- # [18:34] <Zakim> -[Microsoft.a]
- # [18:34] <Zakim> -cesar
- # [18:34] <Zakim> -SteveZ
- # [18:34] <Zakim> -antonp
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- # [18:34] <Zakim> -glazou
- # [18:34] <Zakim> -dbaron
- # [18:34] <Zakim> -kojiishi
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- # [18:34] <Zakim> -plinss
- # [18:34] <Zakim> -Molly_Holzschlag
- # [18:34] <dbaron> Meeting: CSS Working Group teleconference
- # [18:34] <Zakim> -fantasai
- # [18:34] <Zakim> -stearns
- # [18:34] <dbaron> Scribe: David Baron
- # [18:34] <dbaron> Chair: Daniel Glazman
- # [18:34] <Zakim> -Bert
- # [18:34] <Zakim> Style_CSS FP()12:00PM has ended
- # [18:34] * Parts: antonp (50a94e63@78.129.202.38)
- # [18:34] <Zakim> Attendees were +93550aaaa, antonp, +1.206.675.aabb, stearns, ChrisL, florianr, glazou, johnjansen, [Microsoft], arronei, Molly_Holzschlag, dbaron, +1.284.626.aacc, plinss, cesar,
- # [18:34] <Zakim> ... Bert, kojiishi, SteveZ, fantasai, +1.650.766.aadd, bradk
- # [18:35] <dbaron> s/... (fill in later)/somebody should probably take a few minutes to look at each one and see if it makes more sense to push the editor's draft to the TR page or republish what's now on the TR page with a warning/
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- # [18:43] <Bert> fantasai, no new charter yet. The old one was valid until Aug 30, so we are officially out of a charter now. A draft charter has been sent to the AC, but the official review period hasn't started yet.
- # [18:43] <fantasai> I see...
- # [18:44] <fantasai> Bert: are we done with the notes at http://wiki.csswg.org/planning ?
- # [18:44] <fantasai> Bert: Can I delete them yet?
- # [18:44] <fantasai> :)
- # [18:44] <Bert> You want to delete Web pages!?
- # [18:45] <fantasai> Bert: No, I want to clear out the notes on planning that refer to errors in the charter
- # [18:45] <Bert> The notes are indeed no longer needed. Chris used them all, as far as I know.
- # [18:45] <fantasai> Bert: assuming they've been fixed
- # [18:45] <fantasai> Bert: ok
- # [18:45] <fantasai> Done
- # [18:45] * fantasai disliked having those notes get in the way of seeing the meeting schedules
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