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  1. # Session Start: Mon Dec 05 00:00:00 2011
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  33. # [19:35] <fantasai> Bert: ping
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  36. # [19:36] <Bert> Hi fantasai, I'm about to log off...
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  38. # [19:40] <fantasai> Bert: Will css3-images make it for Tuesday?
  39. # [19:41] <fantasai> Bert: or are we aiming at Thursday?
  40. # [19:42] <tantek_> what is the last date for WD publications for this yera?
  41. # [19:42] <tantek_> year*
  42. # [19:43] <Bert> I haven't asked the webmaster yet, so probably Thursday.
  43. # [19:43] <Bert> For the publishing moratorium, let me check...
  44. # [19:44] <fantasai> Bert: can you ask the webmaster before you go, please?
  45. # [19:44] <Bert> I can, put the webmaster has already gone home. :-)
  46. # [19:45] <Bert> On the other hand, I can do the pubrules check with him tomorrow morning.
  47. # [19:45] <Bert> -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/chairs/2011JulSep/0045 2011 publishing moratoria
  48. # [19:46] <Bert> 15 Dec is last publication
  49. # [19:46] <tantek_> Thanks Bert
  50. # [19:46] <fantasai> Bert: Ah, ok :)
  51. # [19:46] * tantek_ is pushing hard to get a CSS3-UI LC well before then.
  52. # [19:46] * fantasai thinks you need a WD
  53. # [19:46] <tantek_> I should say CRLC
  54. # [19:46] * tantek_ will be aggressively dropping non-consensus things.
  55. # [19:46] <fantasai> Actually Tantek, only part of your draft is CR-level right now...
  56. # [19:47] <tantek_> or maybe I'll call it a LCR
  57. # [19:47] <fantasai> text-overflow never went through LC, frinstance
  58. # [19:47] <tantek_> LCR = LC that already went through at least one CR.
  59. # [19:47] * tantek_ is inventing new document stages because clearly we don't have enough.
  60. # [19:47] * fantasai thinks you should stop worrying about what things are called
  61. # [19:47] * fantasai and just publish :)
  62. # [19:48] <tantek_> fantasai - you brought up "worrying about what things are called" with: "fantasai thinks you need a WD"
  63. # [19:49] <fantasai> yeah, because making up names doesn't help anything
  64. # [19:49] <fantasai> but WD vs LC has a process difference
  65. # [19:49] <fantasai> I'm not sure the draft is ready to track LC comments atm, since there are still open discussions...
  66. # [19:49] <fantasai> I mean, you could do that. You might wind up publishing to LCs, though.
  67. # [19:49] <tantek_> the open discussions are all on things I'm likely to drop
  68. # [19:50] <fantasai> text-overflow?
  69. # [19:50] <tantek_> except text-overflow which I'm going to go with the changes that Boris suggests
  70. # [19:50] * tantek_ is thinking of dropping 'appearance' (has apparently failed to be adopted, plus we should iterate on HTML5 UI first now that it's iterating)
  71. # [19:50] <fantasai> You have still never published a single WD with text-overflow in it
  72. # [19:50] <tantek_> "you"? no need to personalize it
  73. # [19:50] <fantasai> you're the editor
  74. # [19:50] <tantek_> text-overflow was in css3-text CR
  75. # [19:51] <Bert> Fantasai, you're using the experimental style for css3-images. You want that published with the old style instead?
  76. # [19:51] <fantasai> fair enough
  77. # [19:51] <tantek_> *this group* has published it
  78. # [19:51] <fantasai> Bert: ... yes?
  79. # [19:51] <fantasai> Bert: I had it on the old styles last night...
  80. # [19:51] <fantasai> tantek: because you never asked
  81. # [19:51] <tantek_> stop falling into the trap of personalizing process / editing
  82. # [19:51] <Bert> Oh, than I need to do a new cvs checkout...
  83. # [19:51] <tantek_> Boris made the same mistake in bugzilla
  84. # [19:51] <tantek_> it's not useful nor professional
  85. # [19:52] * tantek_ notes "12 Dec, noon: Deadline for publication requests before moratorium" from the URL Bert gave above.
  86. # [19:52] <fantasai> sorry, tantek, it's your responsibility as an editor to suggest publishing an updated WD after you've made a lot of changes. You haven't done that for over a year.
  87. # [19:52] <fantasai> I've asked you several times.
  88. # [19:53] <tantek_> and I saw no benefit to wasting the time doing so before it was LC worthy
  89. # [19:53] <tantek_> we are editor-time constrained
  90. # [19:54] <fantasai> Publishing a WD costs: 5 minutes to ask the WG for a resolution to publish, however long it takes you to get the thing to validate, and 5 minutes to draft an email to Bert
  91. # [19:54] <fantasai> to the editor
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  93. # [19:54] <tantek_> no that's a strawman
  94. # [19:54] <fantasai> It takes Bert longer, of course, because he has to set the thing up
  95. # [19:54] <fantasai> However, it gets the draft up on /TR where more people will see it
  96. # [19:54] <tantek_> it takes more time to review the draft for mistakes you don't want enshrined in a permalinked TR WD
  97. # [19:55] <fantasai> Why do you care? Your mistakes are all enshrined in cvsweb.
  98. # [19:55] <tantek_> fantasai - particular audiences more important than "more people"
  99. # [19:55] <tantek_> and e.g. implementers already know to check editor's drafts
  100. # [19:55] <tantek_> that horse has left the barn
  101. # [19:55] <fantasai> some, not all
  102. # [19:55] <tantek_> cvsweb is not web-indexed
  103. # [19:55] <fantasai> that's what the problem is
  104. # [19:55] <tantek_> it's behind an obsolete protocol
  105. # [19:56] <fantasai> with having editor's draft be unrecognized by W3C
  106. # [19:56] <tantek_> fantasai - good luck with fixing that "problem"
  107. # [19:56] <tantek_> public editor's drafts are here to stay
  108. # [19:56] <tantek_> doesn't matter if implementers recognize it as work in progress
  109. # [19:56] <tantek_> which is what is going on
  110. # [19:56] <fantasai> you totally missed what I said
  111. # [19:57] <tantek_> please restate what is the actual problem then
  112. # [19:57] <fantasai> but whatever, you can go rant about W3C publication naming schemes to your own audience, I have other things to do
  113. # [19:57] * tantek_ wasn't ranting
  114. # [19:58] <tantek_> fantasai - as I said, you decided to pick naming/process issues with "fantasai thinks you need a WD". glad to hear you now realize doing so is a waste of time.
  115. # [20:00] <Bert> Fantasai, just got the webmaster (Denis): tomorrow is OK for css-images.
  116. # [20:14] <Bert> Fantasai, thanks! No pubrules errors in css3-images, not even a broken link.
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  122. # [20:44] <hober> Bert: how about 2d transforms? do you think that will go out before the 15th?
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