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  1. # Session Start: Thu Jan 12 00:00:00 2012
  2. # Session Ident: #css
  3. # [00:00] <tantek> not going to check-in guesswork into CVS, that's dumb
  4. # [00:00] <fantasai> no, it's not dumb, it's convenient for the people who are going to read the draft
  5. # [00:00] <fantasai> that's why there's a fixed date and not "4 weeks from go look at hte header"
  6. # [00:00] <fantasai> the date in the draft is also "gueswork"
  7. # [00:01] <fantasai> until it's published
  8. # [00:01] <fantasai> this is no different
  9. # [00:01] <tantek> no the date in the draft is not guesswork, it is the date the draft was last published to dev.w3.org
  10. # [00:02] <fantasai> ah, well, when it's published it'll be the date it's published
  11. # [00:02] <fantasai> and need to be generated for that date
  12. # [00:02] <fantasai> and placed on the server
  13. # [00:02] <fantasai> in advance of that date
  14. # [00:02] <tantek> well if there's a [ ] macro for that I'll use it
  15. # [00:02] <fantasai> there isn't
  16. # [00:02] <tantek> otherwise I'm not going to futz with guesswork in CVS
  17. # [00:02] <fantasai> then leave your all-caps so Bert can quickly figure out it needs replacing
  18. # [00:03] <tantek> where is the documentation on how to leave things for Bert to replace?
  19. # [00:03] <fantasai> there isn't one
  20. # [00:03] <fantasai> you can include a list in your email to him
  21. # [00:03] <fantasai> but all-caps are pretty noticeable
  22. # [00:04] <fantasai> so if you've got a FIXME, it's better to write FIXME than fixme
  23. # [00:04] <fantasai> imho
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  26. # [00:16] <tantek> fantasai, on what basis are you saying "you're required to put the date there" ?
  27. # [00:17] <tantek> if it's just your personal preference, then I choose to disagree.
  28. # [00:17] <tantek> and propose that a relative expression of the date to the absolute date of the document is sufficient
  29. # [00:17] * tantek is wondering when we can start using HTML5 elements
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  32. # [00:36] <fantasai> tantek: IIRC, pubrules checks for it
  33. # [00:37] <tantek> well let's see if a relative date passes that test
  34. # [00:37] <fantasai> tantek: if it requires a date, it requires it in a particular format
  35. # [00:37] <tantek> or if not I'm ok with Bert editing it manual before posting to TR
  36. # [00:37] <fantasai> tantek: which is DD MONTH YYYY
  37. # [00:37] <tantek> either way, putting guess work into CVS is dumb and I have better things to do than that
  38. # [00:38] * fantasai thinks you spent a lot more time complaining about it than you would've just putting the date in or just telling Bert to fix it later
  39. # [00:38] <tantek> I put in something which is more resilient than guesswork.
  40. # [00:39] <tantek> any time there is guesswork in our process it is an indication that something is broken
  41. # [00:39] <tantek> it's worth pointing out when things are broken so we (the group) can fix them
  42. # [00:39] <tantek> that's better than just ignoring them and guessing otherwise
  43. # [00:41] <fantasai> if your publishing date was certain, then it wouldn't be guesswork
  44. # [00:41] <fantasai> if you're aiming to publish Tuesday, and you get all your things together and send them to Bert early enough, then you'll be published Tuesday
  45. # [00:42] <fantasai> if you don't, then you won't.
  46. # [00:43] <fantasai> I can't tell if you'll publish Tuesday because I'm not you, and I don't know if you're going to get your things done and send the request to Bert
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  53. # [01:41] <tantek> fantasai - as I already said, all things were done
  54. # [01:41] <tantek> so we should be good to publish tomorrow, but we don't know
  55. # [01:41] <tantek> what it takes to publish tomorrow vs. Tuesday
  56. # [01:42] <tantek> that's out of my hands
  57. # [01:42] <tantek> hence my email to www-style
  58. # [01:52] <fantasai> what it takes to publish tomorrow is that your document is set up to be published a day in advance
  59. # [01:53] <fantasai> unless Bert's awake and he's told you he can publish tomorrow, you're not publishing tomorrow.
  60. # [01:54] <fantasai> tantek: Generally, assume you need to email Bert 2 business days before publishing. If you want to cut it tighter, you need to hear back from him directly.
  61. # [01:56] <fantasai> tantek: I think you can update http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-ui/#dependencies-on-other-modules
  62. # [01:57] <fantasai> tantek: you should probably also add http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css-module/#values
  63. # [01:59] <fantasai> http://wiki.csswg.org/spec/format-update
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  67. # [03:29] <tantek> fantasai - ok. is there a page on the wiki describing these publication constraints or at least planning therefore?
  68. # [03:49] <fantasai> http://wiki.csswg.org/spec/publish
  69. # [03:49] <fantasai> tantek: ^
  70. # [03:51] <fantasai> tantek: explains about tuesdays/thursdays. Doesn't explain that emailing Bert does not initialize an instant-publish script :)
  71. # [03:52] <tantek> fantasai- I see, updating that section means moving :indeterminate - good catch.
  72. # [03:59] * fantasai adds a note to that effect
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  76. # [04:56] <tantek> fantasai, I'm not going to reference http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css-module/#values because it is insufficiently advanced.
  77. # [05:00] <tantek> fantasai, thanks for documenting http://wiki.csswg.org/spec/format-update
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  87. # [07:52] <tantek> fantasai, I've applied most of format-update, the parts that made obvious sense. some bits may involve non-trivial normative changes or discussion so I'd rather postpone (e.g. animatable).
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  94. # [08:48] <tantek> ok went thru all of http://wiki.csswg.org/spec/publish also - made a few more fixes accordingly.
  95. # [08:48] <tantek> for css3-ui
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  134. # [19:41] <Bert> Fantasai, are you there and do you want to do the other backgrounds issues?
  135. # [19:42] <Bert> I inserted some proposed text for 208 and 211 in the editor's draft.
  136. # [19:42] <Bert> Don't know what to do with the animation issues.
  137. # [19:43] <Bert> And don't understand 217.
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  149. # [22:59] <stearns> anyone have an idea why my replies to www-style show up immediately, but when I start a new thread it takes four hours to appear?
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  154. # [23:33] <fantasai> Bert: Aah, sorry. I forgot about meeting up today!
  155. # [23:33] * fantasai will look at your proposed text for 208 and 211
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