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  1. # Session Start: Tue Feb 28 00:00:01 2012
  2. # Session Ident: #css
  3. # [00:05] * fantasai notes that instructions for checking into dvcs.w3.org aren't even present in the doc yet
  4. # [00:12] <fantasai> plinss: I can work on reorganizing the things, if you can get the instructions for dvcs.w3.org and for using rebase added
  5. # [00:12] <fantasai> plinss: because I don't know those
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  7. # [00:33] <fantasai> plinss: any ETA on the status whiteboard for Shepherd?
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  9. # [01:33] <plinss> fantasai: should be able to get to that this week
  10. # [01:57] <fantasai> plinss: awesome, that makes me happy :)
  11. # [02:11] <plinss> fantasai: fwiw, I just changed test.csswg.org/resources/ to be a clone of http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/resources/ that updates every hour
  12. # [02:13] <fantasai> plinss: further proof that you're an awesome sysadmin and the CSSWG is very lucky to have you :)
  13. # [02:13] <plinss> aw shucks...
  14. # [02:13] <plinss> 'tweren't nuthin
  15. # [02:13] <fantasai> :)
  16. # [02:15] * fantasai personally finds it very reassuring that someone 10x more capable than she is managing csswg.org's systems
  17. # [02:55] <TabAtkins_> plinss, fantasai: +1 to the suggested rewording of the docs. I need a good workflow example, and the group as a whole needs to establish a consistent workflow (like always rebasing over master, or whatever).
  18. # [02:57] <plinss> TabAtkins_, fantasai: the part of all this that I have no clue about is Bert's pre-processor… are there any docs on that and how it's used in the spec editing process?
  19. # [02:58] <TabAtkins_> Before you publish, you run the 'regen' script, and include the result in your commit.
  20. # [02:59] <TabAtkins_> And yes, the current editting wiki page includes it in there.
  21. # [02:59] <TabAtkins_> Step 6 of http://wiki.csswg.org/spec/cvs
  22. # [03:00] <TabAtkins_> So just adapt that step to the appropriate hg incantation in the "Committing" part, and you're golden.
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  24. # [03:03] <plinss> cool, thanks
  25. # [03:15] <plinss> fantasai: the hg conversion of the cvs repo is online at http://hg.csswg.org/specs and http://drafts.csswg.org/
  26. # [03:15] <plinss> let me know if you see any issues
  27. # [03:26] <fantasai> plinss: There's an Hg web view on dvcs.w3.org, right?
  28. # [03:26] <plinss> yes
  29. # [03:26] <plinss> but I didn't push our cvs repo there yet (not until we close the cvs repo)
  30. # [03:28] <fantasai> right
  31. # [03:28] * fantasai wishes hg's web view had feature parity with cvsweb
  32. # [03:30] <fantasai> plinss: I don't see any problems offhand, other than hg's web view being somewhat dissatsifactory imho :)
  33. # [03:32] <plinss> thanks
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  36. # [04:25] <jdaggett> plinss: why are we serving from csswg.org?
  37. # [04:26] <plinss> the plan is to move the cvs repo to mercurial at dvcs.w3.org
  38. # [04:26] <plinss> but dvcs.w3.org doesn't have a checkout view of the repository
  39. # [04:26] <jdaggett> plinss: do that broke my use of a typekit font
  40. # [04:26] <jdaggett> s/do/doing/
  41. # [04:26] <plinss> so we have a mirror at csswg.org with a checkout view there
  42. # [04:27] <plinss> ? nothing moved yet, so what broke?
  43. # [04:27] <jdaggett> http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-fonts/ ==> uses webfont
  44. # [04:28] <jdaggett> http://drafts.csswg.org/css3-fonts/ ==> doesn't
  45. # [04:28] <jdaggett> so the idea is to use this only for viewing revision history?
  46. # [04:29] <plinss> no drafts.csswg.org will replace the view at dev.w3.org/csswg
  47. # [04:29] <jdaggett> so links to the ED will be which?
  48. # [04:29] <jdaggett> some csswg.org url?
  49. # [04:30] <plinss> yes, the drafts.csswg.org url
  50. # [04:30] <jdaggett> hmmm, i'm not excited about that
  51. # [04:31] <jdaggett> it adds another layer of confusion
  52. # [04:31] <plinss> I'm not seeing any difference between http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-fonts/ and http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-fonts/
  53. # [04:31] <jdaggett> and i still don't get why it's needed
  54. # [04:32] <jdaggett> you're seeing the same font used for both views?
  55. # [04:32] <plinss> yes
  56. # [04:32] <plinss> pixel identical in the latest FF beta
  57. # [04:33] <jdaggett> hang on
  58. # [04:33] <jdaggett> those two urls are the same!
  59. # [04:33] <jdaggett> compare with
  60. # [04:33] <plinss> grrr, nm, one sec
  61. # [04:33] <jdaggett> http://drafts.csswg.org/css3-fonts/
  62. # [04:34] <plinss> copy-paste error on my end
  63. # [04:35] <jdaggett> anyways, i can fix that if need be
  64. # [04:35] <jdaggett> i'm not at all excited about the use of csswg.org
  65. # [04:36] <jdaggett> any more than i think we should be working on specs at tabatkins.org
  66. # [04:36] <jdaggett> using the dev.w3.org has value
  67. # [04:37] <jdaggett> we should poke/nudge/jab w3c IT to fix whatever needs to get fixed
  68. # [04:37] <plinss> looks like the issue is that the mirror on csswg.org is a few days out of date
  69. # [04:37] <plinss> I didn't update to the latest CVS pull yet
  70. # [04:37] <plinss> as it's only there for testing at the moment
  71. # [04:37] <jdaggett> ok
  72. # [04:38] <jdaggett> i'll send an agenda request about this
  73. # [04:38] <jdaggett> i don't want to belabor the point but i think it's important
  74. # [04:38] <jdaggett> i.e. to use xxx.w3.org if at all possible
  75. # [04:39] <plinss> we already discussed this at the last telcon
  76. # [04:39] <plinss> I agree xxx.w3.org is better but it's not an option just yet
  77. # [04:39] <plinss> when it is we'll move back
  78. # [04:39] <plinss> we're not going to be doing spec development at csswg.org, it will happen at dvcs.w3.org
  79. # [04:39] <plinss> csswg.org is just a mirror to have a better preview
  80. # [04:40] <jdaggett> so i still don't see the underlying issue that requires the use of csswg.org
  81. # [04:41] <jdaggett> i didn't see a clear reason after reviewing the minutes
  82. # [04:41] <jdaggett> and i didn't see a posting clearly describing a reason
  83. # [04:41] <plinss> drafts.csswg.org gives you a live "checked-out" view of the repo
  84. # [04:42] <plinss> it lets things like .htaccess files work so we can view redirects
  85. # [04:42] <plinss> just live dev.w3.org/csswg does for the CVS repo
  86. # [04:42] <plinss> w3c doesn't have that capability on dvcs.w3.org yet
  87. # [04:43] <jdaggett> so use links to the dev.w3.org structure and put all the redirects to the hg repo there
  88. # [04:44] <jdaggett> just use the cvs structure as the "mirror"
  89. # [04:46] <plinss> it's more than just redirects, we also need DirectoryIndex directives, default charsets, mime types, etc
  90. # [04:46] <plinss> the hg repo view does do that right
  91. # [04:46] <plinss> that's why we need a served "checked out" view
  92. # [04:46] <plinss> s/does/doesn't/
  93. # [04:46] <plinss> (damn osx spell check…)
  94. # [04:51] <jdaggett> the sum total of (hg + mirroring) does not seem to be better than staying with cvs
  95. # [04:51] <jdaggett> seems like it would be simpler to wait for w3c it folks to set up needed features
  96. # [04:51] <jdaggett> then move then
  97. # [05:54] <jdaggett> plinss: chatted with mike smith, wrote to PLH
  98. # [05:54] <plinss> ok, and?
  99. # [05:54] <jdaggett> plinss: asking to bump up priority of automatic mirroring on dvcs.w3.org
  100. # [05:55] <jdaggett> mike said he would bring it up in the Interaction group meeting tonight (tomorrow your time)
  101. # [05:55] <plinss> ok
  102. # [05:55] <plinss> works for me
  103. # [05:55] <jdaggett> cool
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