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  1. # Session Start: Wed Feb 29 00:00:00 2012
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  8. # [00:20] <TabAtkins_> shepazu: Yo, I need to reference the bounding box of an SVG element for the element() function in the Image Values spec.
  9. # [00:20] <TabAtkins_> shepazu: What's the best way to refer to this so that it will take into account stroke width when SVG2 defines that?
  10. # [00:20] <TabAtkins_> shepazu: Or, if SVG already defines a term for that, what is it?
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  12. # [00:22] <shepazu> TabAtkins_: it doesn't yet
  13. # [00:22] <shepazu> TabAtkins_: we've been calling it the "decorated bounding box"
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  15. # [00:29] <TabAtkins_> Should I use that term? Is there a link to it somewhere?
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  17. # [01:03] <shepazu> TabAtkins_: http://www.w3.org/TR/SVGTiny12/intro.html#TermDecoratedBoundingBox
  18. # [01:09] <TabAtkins_> shepazu: Thanks!
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  40. # [11:19] <fantasai> TabAtkins_: Arggg, you didn't tell me you didn't finish filing the css3-images issues in www-style!!!
  41. # [11:20] * fantasai went and generated the disposition of comments already and now has to add more issues
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  45. # [12:22] <fantasai> *sigh* so much for sleeping tonight...
  46. # [12:22] * fantasai finds more issues Tab responded to but didn't file
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  60. # [17:41] <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/02/29-css-irc
  61. # [17:42] <glazou> Zakim, this will be Style
  62. # [17:42] <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, glazou
  63. # [17:42] <glazou> rrsagent, make logs public
  64. # [17:42] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, glazou
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  70. # [17:57] <TabAtkins_> fantasai: The issues I didn't log were raised after the end of the LC period, iirc.
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  73. # [18:00] <plinss> zakim, this will be style
  74. # [18:00] <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, plinss
  75. # [18:00] <tantek> greetings
  76. # [18:00] <tantek> only on IRC this morning
  77. # [18:00] <tantek> Zakim, who is here
  78. # [18:00] <Zakim> tantek, you need to end that query with '?'
  79. # [18:00] <TabAtkins_> yo, tantek
  80. # [18:00] <plinss> hola
  81. # [18:00] <tantek> Zakim, who is here?
  82. # [18:00] <Zakim> sorry, tantek, I don't know what conference this is
  83. # [18:00] <Zakim> On IRC I see tantek, dbaron, glazou, glenn, RRSAgent, Zakim, dstorey, kojiishi, miketaylr, ksweeney, Ms2ger, nimbu, rworth, myakura, SimonSapin, AryehGregor, arronei, kennyluck,
  84. # [18:00] <Zakim> ... TabAtkins_, danielfilho, ed, fantasai, florianr, trackbot, Echoes, hober, vhardy, sylvaing_away, alexmog, plinss, paul___irish, shans, gsnedders, CSSWG_LogBot, stearns, krijnh,
  85. # [18:00] <Zakim> ... shepazu, Bert, macpherson, Hixie
  86. # [18:00] <TabAtkins_> Sigh. If Zakim understands the question, why does me make you rephrase it?
  87. # [18:01] * hober srsly.
  88. # [18:01] <tantek> TabAtkins_ lazy bot programmer is lazy.
  89. # [18:01] * Parts: rworth (rworth@72.66.12.6) (Linkinus - http://linkinus.com)
  90. # [18:01] <TabAtkins_> But it's actually *more* work to do that!
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  92. # [18:01] <tantek> and failed to obey 2nd law
  93. # [18:02] <plinss> zakim, this will be Style_CSS
  94. # [18:02] <Zakim> ok, plinss, I see Style_CSS FP()12:00PM already started
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  98. # [18:03] <glazou> Zakim, ??P42 is me
  99. # [18:03] <Zakim> +glazou; got it
  100. # [18:03] <plinss> zakim, who is here?
  101. # [18:03] <Zakim> On the phone I see nimbu, ??P40, glazou
  102. # [18:03] <Zakim> On IRC I see vhardy_, smfr, jdaggett, tantek, dbaron, glazou, glenn, RRSAgent, Zakim, dstorey, kojiishi, miketaylr, ksweeney, Ms2ger, nimbu, myakura, SimonSapin, AryehGregor,
  103. # [18:03] <Zakim> ... arronei, kennyluck, TabAtkins_, danielfilho, ed, fantasai, florianr, trackbot, Echoes, hober, vhardy, sylvaing_away, alexmog, plinss, paul___irish, shans, gsnedders,
  104. # [18:03] <Zakim> ... CSSWG_LogBot, stearns, krijnh, shepazu, Bert, macpherson, Hixie
  105. # [18:03] <Zakim> -??P40
  106. # [18:03] <Zakim> +plinss
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  108. # [18:03] <Zakim> +??P43
  109. # [18:03] <Zakim> +??P40
  110. # [18:04] <jdaggett> zakim, ??p40 is me
  111. # [18:04] <Zakim> +jdaggett; got it
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  117. # [18:05] * Zakim hears jdaggett's hand up
  118. # [18:05] * Zakim sees jdaggett on the speaker queue
  119. # [18:05] <Zakim> +??P46
  120. # [18:05] <jdaggett> ack
  121. # [18:05] <glenn> zakim, ??P46 is me
  122. # [18:05] <Zakim> +glenn; got it
  123. # [18:05] <TabAtkins_> lolwut?
  124. # [18:05] <jdaggett> zakim, ack
  125. # [18:05] <Zakim> I don't understand 'ack', jdaggett
  126. # [18:05] <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
  127. # [18:05] <jdaggett> q-
  128. # [18:05] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  129. # [18:05] <glazou> Zakim, you give us so much fun
  130. # [18:05] <Zakim> I don't understand 'you give us so much fun', glazou
  131. # [18:05] <florianr> Zakim, [IPcaller] has me
  132. # [18:05] <Zakim> +florianr; got it
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  136. # [18:06] <Zakim> +smfr
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  138. # [18:06] <vhardy_> zakim, who is here?
  139. # [18:06] <Zakim> On the phone I see nimbu, glazou, plinss, jdaggett, ??P45, glenn, [IPcaller], ??P49, smfr, sylvaing
  140. # [18:06] <Zakim> [IPcaller] has florianr
  141. # [18:06] <Zakim> On IRC I see antonp, oyvind, bradk, vhardy_, smfr, jdaggett, tantek, dbaron, glazou, glenn, RRSAgent, Zakim, dstorey, kojiishi, miketaylr, ksweeney, Ms2ger, nimbu, myakura,
  142. # [18:06] <Zakim> ... SimonSapin, AryehGregor, arronei, kennyluck, TabAtkins_, danielfilho, ed, fantasai, florianr, trackbot, Echoes, hober, vhardy, sylvaing, alexmog, plinss, paul___irish, shans,
  143. # [18:07] <Zakim> ... gsnedders, CSSWG_LogBot, stearns, krijnh, shepazu, Bert, macpherson, Hixie
  144. # [18:07] <Zakim> + +1.650.253.aaaa
  145. # [18:07] <vhardy_> Zakim, ??P49 is me
  146. # [18:07] <Zakim> +stearns
  147. # [18:07] <TabAtkins_> zakim, aaaa is [Google]
  148. # [18:07] <Zakim> +vhardy_; got it
  149. # [18:07] <TabAtkins_> zakim, [Google] has me
  150. # [18:07] <Zakim> +[Google]; got it
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  155. # [18:07] <Zakim> +TabAtkins_; got it
  156. # [18:07] <Zakim> +hober
  157. # [18:07] <krit> Zakim, who's here?
  158. # [18:08] <Zakim> On the phone I see nimbu, glazou, plinss, jdaggett, ??P45, glenn, [IPcaller], vhardy_, smfr, sylvaing, [Google], stearns, Oliver_Goldman, hober
  159. # [18:08] <Zakim> [IPcaller] has florianr
  160. # [18:08] <Zakim> [Google] has TabAtkins_
  161. # [18:08] <krit> Zakim, vhardy_ is me
  162. # [18:08] <Zakim> On IRC I see krit, ChrisL, kimberly, antonp, oyvind, bradk, vhardy_, smfr, jdaggett, tantek, dbaron, glazou, glenn, RRSAgent, Zakim, dstorey, kojiishi, miketaylr, ksweeney, Ms2ger,
  163. # [18:08] <Zakim> ... nimbu, myakura, SimonSapin, AryehGregor, arronei, kennyluck, TabAtkins_, danielfilho, ed, fantasai, florianr, trackbot, Echoes, hober, vhardy, sylvaing, alexmog, plinss,
  164. # [18:08] <fantasai> TabAtkins: That doesn't mean you don't file them.
  165. # [18:09] <Zakim> ... paul___irish, shans, gsnedders, CSSWG_LogBot, stearns, krijnh, shepazu, Bert, macpherson, Hixie
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  167. # [18:09] <Zakim> +??P62
  168. # [18:09] <fantasai> TabAtkins: You addressed them, didn't you? If you're going to ignore them because they're after the deadline, fine.
  169. # [18:09] <Zakim> +krit; got it
  170. # [18:09] <Zakim> +Bert
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  172. # [18:09] <fantasai> TabAtkins: But if not, they need to be filed and processed.
  173. # [18:09] <danielweck> Zakim, ??62 is me
  174. # [18:09] <smfr> a 386
  175. # [18:09] <Zakim> +antonp
  176. # [18:09] * jdaggett smells sarcasm...
  177. # [18:09] <fantasai> TabAtkins: The only time we've ever rejected a comment due to being after the deadline is CSS2.1, fwiw.
  178. # [18:09] <TabAtkins_> fantasai: My understanding was that the DoC was for LC issues.
  179. # [18:09] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  180. # [18:09] <arronei> zakim, microsoft has me
  181. # [18:09] <Zakim> sorry, danielweck, I do not recognize a party named '??62'
  182. # [18:09] <Zakim> +arronei; got it
  183. # [18:10] <fantasai> TabAtkins: And that was because if we didn't, we'd never finish.
  184. # [18:10] <TabAtkins_> Outside of the LC comment period, they're just regular comments, and are dealt with in the normal way.
  185. # [18:10] <fantasai> TabAtkins: You're addressing them between LC and CR, they get filed.
  186. # [18:10] <plinss> zakim, ??p62 is danielweck
  187. # [18:10] <Zakim> +danielweck; got it
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  191. # [18:10] <TabAtkins_> I can do that, sure. But don't complain about me not filing them when the instructions about what to file were apparently unclear. ^_^
  192. # [18:11] <Zakim> +kimberly
  193. # [18:12] <glenn> scribe: glenn
  194. # [18:12] <glazou> ScribeNick: glenn
  195. # [18:12] <glenn> chair: glazou
  196. # [18:12] <Zakim> +SteveZ
  197. # [18:12] <glenn> ???: like to talk about MQ
  198. # [18:12] <nimbu> ??? is florianr
  199. # [18:12] <Zakim> +ChrisL
  200. # [18:12] <Zakim> + +8521616aabb
  201. # [18:12] <glenn> s/???/florianr/
  202. # [18:12] <Zakim> + +1.408.421.aacc
  203. # [18:12] <Zakim> + +1.415.766.aadd
  204. # [18:13] <glenn> alex: can we publish ??
  205. # [18:13] <dbaron> Zakim, aadd is dbaron
  206. # [18:13] <Zakim> +dbaron; got it
  207. # [18:13] <Zakim> + +47.23.69.aaee
  208. # [18:13] <stearns> s/??/flexbox/
  209. # [18:13] <TabAtkins_> s/??/WD of Flexbox/
  210. # [18:13] * fantasai is here, but isn't sure which ... guessing aadd
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  212. # [18:13] <Zakim> +??P78
  213. # [18:13] <glenn> ???: gradients on agenda?
  214. # [18:13] * dbaron fantasai, nope, that's me
  215. # [18:13] <tantek> TabAtkins, between end of LC period and when you publish the CR it's a bit of a gray area as to what's "required". I think it's up to editor judgment, in which case consider if addressing the comment will improve the spec, and in particular avoid a CR-LC-CR cycle.
  216. # [18:13] <nimbu> s/???/sylvaing
  217. # [18:13] <glenn> glazou: only normative reference on agenda
  218. # [18:13] <danielweck> Zakim, ??P78 is me
  219. # [18:13] <Zakim> +danielweck; got it
  220. # [18:13] <danielweck> (again)
  221. # [18:13] <glenn> ... yes if possible
  222. # [18:13] <dstorey> one of those new people is me. Going to try to work out which
  223. # [18:14] * plinss http://www.w3.org/2006/tools/wiki/Zakim_Tips
  224. # [18:14] <TabAtkins_> tantek: "Addressing" and "filing in the DoC" are very different things. I do the former. I didn't realize I had to do the latter.
  225. # [18:14] <glenn> alex: discussed LC on flexbox
  226. # [18:14] <glenn> ???: would like a WD
  227. # [18:14] <florianr> s/???/florianr/
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  230. # [18:14] <Zakim> +??P9
  231. # [18:14] <fantasai> zakim, aacc is me
  232. # [18:14] <Zakim> +fantasai; got it
  233. # [18:14] <glenn> alex: will publish by tuesday
  234. # [18:14] <dstorey> zakim, +1.408.421.aacc is me
  235. # [18:14] <Zakim> sorry, dstorey, I do not recognize a party named '+1.408.421.aacc'
  236. # [18:14] <kojiishi> zakim, ??p9 is me
  237. # [18:14] <Zakim> +kojiishi; got it
  238. # [18:14] <fantasai> zakim, mute me
  239. # [18:14] <Zakim> fantasai should now be muted
  240. # [18:14] <glenn> chrisl: WD or what?
  241. # [18:14] <fantasai> zakim, fantasai is dstorey
  242. # [18:14] <Zakim> +dstorey; got it
  243. # [18:15] <TabAtkins_> RESOLVED: Publich Flexbox as WD.
  244. # [18:15] * fantasai give sup
  245. # [18:15] <glenn> RESOLVE: publish flexbox as WD
  246. # [18:15] <ChrisL> action: ChrisL to publish flexbox wd
  247. # [18:15] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  248. # [18:15] * RRSAgent records action 1
  249. # [18:15] <trackbot> Created ACTION-453 - Publish flexbox wd [on Chris Lilley - due 2012-03-07].
  250. # [18:15] <tantek> TabAtkins, agreed. If it's a cross-WG comment then I tend to be more liberal toward including in the DoC as it tends to improve inter-WG relations and reduce static/friction in future interactions.
  251. # [18:15] <smfr> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2012Feb/1083.html
  252. # [18:15] <glenn> glazou: post msg from david with list of issues
  253. # [18:15] * plinss if you don't know which line is you, dial #41 and your line will be added to the queue
  254. # [18:15] <Rossen> zakim, [Microsoft] has me
  255. # [18:15] <Zakim> +Rossen; got it
  256. # [18:15] <tantek> TabAtkins, do you have a URL/webpage example of the new flexbox syntax/functionality/algorithm that shows it "working" (even prefixed) in 2+ implementations? (just curious what state of spec vs implementation is.
  257. # [18:15] <alexmog_> zakim, [microsoft] has me
  258. # [18:15] <Zakim> +alexmog_; got it
  259. # [18:15] <glenn> ???: order as in email
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  261. # [18:16] <glenn> ... animation of images and gradients
  262. # [18:16] <glazou> s/???/dbaron
  263. # [18:16] <glenn> ... rules in spec about animation of gradients
  264. # [18:16] <glenn> ... work in css4 images about that, should defer to that and remove from spec
  265. # [18:16] <tantek> thanks smfr for the link
  266. # [18:16] <glenn> ???: what is meant by defer?
  267. # [18:16] <glazou> s/???/florianr
  268. # [18:16] <ChrisL> I agree with all the ones in the postpone category, having read through them
  269. # [18:17] <Zakim> + +1.650.766.aaff
  270. # [18:17] <glenn> dbaron: impls free to do what the want
  271. # [18:17] <sylvaing> ChrisL, +1
  272. # [18:17] <bradk> zakim, aaff is me
  273. # [18:17] <Zakim> +bradk; got it
  274. # [18:18] <smfr> q+
  275. # [18:18] * Zakim sees smfr on the speaker queue
  276. # [18:18] <glenn> listening
  277. # [18:18] <glenn> go ahead
  278. # [18:18] <dbaron> Tab: people will depend on whatever the implementations do, no matter what the spec says
  279. # [18:18] <glazou> Zakim, ack smfr
  280. # [18:18] <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
  281. # [18:18] <dbaron> s/dbaron:/florianr:/
  282. # [18:18] <tantek> dbaron's clustering of issues postpone/easy/medium/hard is a good approach for helping advance these specs quickly.
  283. # [18:18] <glenn> ???: webkit has cross fade
  284. # [18:18] <TabAtkins_> s/???/smfr/
  285. # [18:19] <glenn> ... will do transitions using cross fade, agrees should be undefined how accomplished
  286. # [18:19] * fantasai agrees with florian
  287. # [18:19] <glenn> dbaron: thinks that wk is impl newer spec
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  289. # [18:19] <glenn> ... should not have normative statement if will soon override
  290. # [18:20] <glenn> ... what is wrong with saying undefined?
  291. # [18:20] <glenn> worried if you say can't animate, or if you say can animate but not what happens
  292. # [18:20] <glenn> s/.../chrisl/
  293. # [18:21] <glenn> fantasai: should say undefined
  294. # [18:21] <glenn> ... then mention how it will be defined in future spec
  295. # [18:22] <glenn> chrisl: if spec says need not, will have no test
  296. # [18:22] <dbaron> s/need not/you should not try to animate this/
  297. # [18:22] <glenn> dbaron: css1/2 have said ignore props not defined in spec
  298. # [18:22] <glenn> ... yet css3 is defining new props
  299. # [18:22] * sylvaing thinks we're spending a lot of time figuring out what not to do
  300. # [18:23] <Zakim> -glazou
  301. # [18:23] <glenn> glazou: has to drop/rejoin due to sip problem, peter pls chair in mean time
  302. # [18:23] <Zakim> +??P42
  303. # [18:23] * stearns we know what not do to, we're figuring out how not to do it
  304. # [18:23] <dbaron> dbaron: I think that's fine
  305. # [18:23] <glazou> Zakim, ??p42 is me
  306. # [18:23] <Zakim> +glazou; got it
  307. # [18:23] <Zakim> -danielweck
  308. # [18:23] <fantasai> s/should say undefined/should specify that whether and how it's animated is undefined/
  309. # [18:23] * Bert could hear glazou loud and clear, must have been a pb in the opposite direction...
  310. # [18:23] <glazou> (sorry, no change, very difficult to hear you all, sound is cut)
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  312. # [18:24] <glazou> Bert: probably
  313. # [18:24] <smfr> i'm fine with florianr's wording
  314. # [18:24] <glenn> ???: such and such is not expected to animate, but different ? will defines how this works
  315. # [18:24] <glenn> dbaron: are we talking just about images/gradients or everything not animatable?
  316. # [18:24] <glenn> ... thinks we're talking about everything, concerned about putting in big loop hole
  317. # [18:25] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
  318. # [18:25] <florianr> This level of css does not expect XXX to animate. Different modules or later levels may define how to animate them.
  319. # [18:25] <glenn> chrisl: (1) animatable and known, (2) not animatable and known, (3) others not sure
  320. # [18:25] <glenn> ???: is it clear on (2) vs (3)
  321. # [18:26] <glenn> ... rather be specific when possible
  322. # [18:26] <glenn> dbaron: ok if we have statement about limited set of props
  323. # [18:26] <glenn> ... should i take an action to write that statement?
  324. # [18:27] <glenn> dbaron: most of the rest aren't properties
  325. # [18:27] <glenn> glazou: would like a decision
  326. # [18:28] <smfr> i agree
  327. # [18:28] <glenn> chrisl: agrees with entire list of things to postpone
  328. # [18:28] <Zakim> -[Microsoft.a]
  329. # [18:28] <glenn> ... to which sylviang agreed
  330. # [18:28] <smfr> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=14609
  331. # [18:28] <Zakim> -danielweck.a
  332. # [18:28] <glenn> dbaron: transitions about value types you can't interpolate
  333. # [18:29] <glenn> ... things would animate that people aren't expecting to animate
  334. # [18:29] <glenn> ???: can define special timing model for discrete things
  335. # [18:29] <dbaron> s/???/Tab/
  336. # [18:30] <glenn> chrisl: in SVG discrete changes interpolate
  337. # [18:30] <glenn> dbaron: are people not worried about this?
  338. # [18:30] <glenn> ... will put constraints on what we can do
  339. # [18:31] <glenn> tab: if transitions immediately after non-zero, then should work
  340. # [18:31] <smfr> transition: all 2s 2s;
  341. # [18:31] <glenn> tab: find with leaving or fixing, simple to fix
  342. # [18:32] <glenn> ???: thinks not simple to fix
  343. # [18:32] <glenn> tab: shouldn't have transition all
  344. # [18:32] <smfr> s/???/smfr
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  346. # [18:32] <glenn> ???: suggests postponing
  347. # [18:33] <smfr> s/???/florianr
  348. # [18:33] <glenn> dbaron: should work within constraints just now, is ok with postponing
  349. # [18:33] <smfr> i'm ok with postponing
  350. # [18:33] * vhardy_ regrets, need to drop out.
  351. # [18:33] <Zakim> -krit
  352. # [18:33] <glenn> RESOLVED: postponing ??? items
  353. # [18:34] <smfr> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=15844
  354. # [18:34] <glenn> <dbaron pls s/// ??? for me>
  355. # [18:34] <krit> zakim, who's here
  356. # [18:34] <Zakim> krit, you need to end that query with '?'
  357. # [18:34] <krit> zakim, who's here?
  358. # [18:34] <Zakim> On the phone I see nimbu, plinss, jdaggett, ??P45, glenn, [IPcaller], smfr, sylvaing, [Google], stearns, Oliver_Goldman, hober, Bert, antonp, [Microsoft], kimberly, SteveZ, ChrisL,
  359. # [18:34] <Zakim> ... +8521616aabb, dstorey (muted), dbaron, +47.23.69.aaee, kojiishi, bradk, glazou
  360. # [18:34] <Zakim> [IPcaller] has florianr
  361. # [18:34] <Zakim> [Microsoft] has alexmog_
  362. # [18:34] <Zakim> [Google] has TabAtkins_
  363. # [18:34] <Zakim> On IRC I see BobBie, JohnJansen, leaverou, SteveZ, howcome, Rossen, alexmog_, SimonSapin1, Cathy, danielweck, krit, ChrisL, kimberly, antonp, oyvind, bradk, vhardy_, smfr,
  364. # [18:34] <Zakim> ... jdaggett, tantek, dbaron, glazou, glenn, RRSAgent, Zakim, dstorey, kojiishi, miketaylr, Ms2ger, nimbu, myakura, AryehGregor, arronei, kennyluck, TabAtkins_, danielfilho, ed,
  365. # [18:34] <Zakim> ... fantasai, florianr, trackbot, Echoes, hober, vhardy, sylvaing, alexmog, plinss, paul___irish, shans, gsnedders, CSSWG_LogBot, stearns, krijnh, shepazu, Bert, macpherson, Hixie
  366. # [18:34] <dbaron> s/???/the items listed as postpone in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2012Feb/1083.html/
  367. # [18:34] <glenn> tnx
  368. # [18:34] <glenn> tab: can't having impls doing different things...
  369. # [18:35] <glenn> ???: don't want webkit behavior
  370. # [18:35] <dbaron> smfr: WebKit treats 'auto' as '0'
  371. # [18:35] <Zakim> - +47.23.69.aaee
  372. # [18:35] <florianr> s/???/dbaron/
  373. # [18:36] <glenn> dbaron: how to match lists of different lengths
  374. # [18:36] <glenn> ... in transition * properties
  375. # [18:36] <glenn> ... background is the length that matters
  376. # [18:36] <ChrisL> agree with the truncated/repeated proposal
  377. # [18:36] <glenn> ... use beginning of list ignore the rest
  378. # [18:36] <smfr> agreed
  379. # [18:36] <glenn> dbaron: proposes ???
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  381. # [18:37] <dbaron> RESOLVED: resolve bug 14604 as proposed
  382. # [18:37] <glenn> dbaron: next, reverse animation using opposite timing function, people ask for feature
  383. # [18:37] <glenn> ... postpone adding such feature, but add example showing how it can be used now
  384. # [18:38] <glenn> ... a little confusing, but not too hard
  385. # [18:38] <glenn> glazou: good compromise
  386. # [18:38] <dbaron> RESOLVED: resolve bug 14611 as proposed
  387. # [18:38] <glenn> dbaron: spec mentions grid and zoom props
  388. # [18:38] <smfr> agreed
  389. # [18:38] <glenn> ... grid isn't any spec, zoom is; propose removing refs
  390. # [18:38] <ChrisL> agreed
  391. # [18:38] <glenn> tab: agree
  392. # [18:38] <Zakim> +??P1
  393. # [18:38] <dbaron> RESOLVED: resolve bug 14618 and 14626 as proposed
  394. # [18:39] <smfr> agreed
  395. # [18:39] <glenn> dbaron: vertical align is animatable (according to spec), but what does animating keywords mean?
  396. # [18:39] <Zakim> -??P1
  397. # [18:39] * jdaggett weird echo from dbaron
  398. # [18:39] <glenn> ???: should we say "no keywords" or just enumerate the subset of what can animate?
  399. # [18:40] <TabAtkins_> s/???/florianr/
  400. # [18:40] <dbaron> RESOLVED: resolve bug 14988 as proposed
  401. # [18:40] <glenn> dbaron: last of easy items
  402. # [18:40] <smfr> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=15838
  403. # [18:40] <Bert> (Animating from 'top' to 'bottom' makes sense, but doesn't seem needed.)
  404. # [18:40] <glenn> ... no transition when both transition delay and ??? are zero seconds
  405. # [18:40] <ChrisL> agree on the zero transition
  406. # [18:40] <Zakim> +??P1
  407. # [18:40] <glenn> ... nothing says it
  408. # [18:40] <glenn> tab: doesn't like because it is discontinuous behavior
  409. # [18:41] <glenn> dbaron: the default is delay/duraion not transition property
  410. # [18:41] <glenn> s/duraion/duration/
  411. # [18:41] <glenn> tab: ok, need to make not a transition
  412. # [18:41] <glenn> florianr: does the spec say this?
  413. # [18:42] <dbaron> smfr: implication of transition not occurring is that no events fire?
  414. # [18:42] <fantasai> tab: oh, we default to transition-property: all; and transition-duration / ?? to zero
  415. # [18:42] <Bert> ". By default the value is ‘0s’, meaning that the transition is immediate"
  416. # [18:42] <dbaron> smfr: does the spec say that?
  417. # [18:42] <TabAtkins_> Specifically, the current "no transitions" default is implemention with a property of "all" and a delay/duration of "0".
  418. # [18:42] <glenn> s/florianr/smfr/
  419. # [18:42] <Bert> " (i.e. there will be no animation)."
  420. # [18:42] <glenn> fantasai: why do we have default of zero?
  421. # [18:42] <fantasai> s/zero/all\/zero/
  422. # [18:42] <glenn> bert: specs no animation in that case
  423. # [18:42] <glenn> tab: events are important part
  424. # [18:43] * glazou we need to switch to next agenda item
  425. # [18:43] <glenn> <speaker pls summarize long statement in irc>
  426. # [18:44] <smfr> i approve
  427. # [18:44] <TabAtkins_> smfr: [explained the original reasoning between the current defaults vs defaulting to a property of 'none' and some default duration]
  428. # [18:44] <dbaron> RESOLVED: resolve bug 15838 as proposed
  429. # [18:44] <Bert> smfr: [there are usability reasons for defaults of 'all' and '0s']
  430. # [18:44] <glenn> glazou: moving to Z-axis intersection issue for transforms
  431. # [18:44] <glenn> ... is dirk here?
  432. # [18:44] <smfr> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2012Feb/1202.html
  433. # [18:44] <dbaron> Topic: Z-Axis intersection for transforms
  434. # [18:45] <glenn> ???: opera does not have impl of 3d transforms
  435. # [18:45] <glenn> ... in favor of saying do intersection in spec
  436. # [18:45] <dbaron> s/???/florianr/
  437. # [18:45] <glenn> ... not in favor of saying should
  438. # [18:46] <glenn> dbaron: talked to robert
  439. # [18:46] <glenn> tab: would like to do correctly, impl is tricky
  440. # [18:46] <Zakim> + +47.23.69.aagg
  441. # [18:46] <dbaron> s/robert/Robert O'Callahan, and he agreed the correct behavior (plane splitting) is obvious but we don't do it correctly now, but we should/
  442. # [18:46] <smfr> RESOLVED: transform spec should make intersection behavior a MUST
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  444. # [18:47] <howcome> zakim, aagg is howcome
  445. # [18:47] <Zakim> +howcome; got it
  446. # [18:47] * dbaron Zakim, who is noisy?
  447. # [18:47] * Zakim dbaron, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: howcome (33%), dbaron (10%), jdaggett (79%), glazou (8%), glenn (5%)
  448. # [18:48] * glazou LOL, howcome asks zakim who is noisy and zakim answers howcome :-)
  449. # [18:48] <glenn> ???: possible problem with mirroring specs
  450. # [18:48] <TabAtkins_> s/???/jdaggett
  451. # [18:48] <glenn> ... multiview?
  452. # [18:48] <fantasai> scribenick: fantasai
  453. # [18:48] <glenn> ... proposal to mirror to csswg, thinks it is bad idea
  454. # [18:48] <fantasai> jdaggett: proposal was to host specs on csswg.org
  455. # [18:48] <glenn> <jdaggett pls speak up>
  456. # [18:49] <fantasai> jdaggett: means all ..., and all editor's drafts have to point [...]
  457. # [18:49] <dbaron> s/[...]/to csswg.org/
  458. # [18:49] <fantasai> jdaggett: I don't see that using Apache is necessary. We can use <meta> to do redirection.
  459. # [18:49] <fantasai> jdaggett: Not ideal, but better than having csswg.org be a point of failure
  460. # [18:49] <glenn> jdaggett: not necessary to use .htaccess facilities
  461. # [18:49] <tantek> I agree, I'd rather delay the source control transition if it means we can avoid one or more temporary places for specs.
  462. # [18:49] <fantasai> Scribenick: glenn
  463. # [18:50] <glenn> plinss: timing to be finalized today
  464. # [18:50] <glenn> ... infrastructure in place
  465. # [18:50] <glenn> ... wishes better docs, but working on them today
  466. # [18:50] <glenn> ... no addl burden on editors
  467. # [18:50] <glenn> jdaggett: questions using URLs to refer to csswg.org host
  468. # [18:51] <tantek> I have not had time to retry the hg instructions again to see where I get stuck next btw.
  469. # [18:51] <glenn> plinss: suggests reverse proxy on dev.w3.org
  470. # [18:51] <glenn> bert: pretty sure its possible
  471. # [18:51] <dbaron> (Why do a reverse proxy on a w3c server if we could just do a checkout on a w3c server?)
  472. # [18:51] <glenn> plinss: this is just a stop gap, i.e., using csswg.org
  473. # [18:51] <tantek> exactly, what dbaron said
  474. # [18:52] <glenn> jdaggett: doesn't see need for interim step
  475. # [18:52] <tantek> can we delay transition and avoid stopgaps?
  476. # [18:52] <tantek> what's the rush?
  477. # [18:52] <glenn> plinss: if we use reverse proxy, nobody will know
  478. # [18:52] * smfr wonders if this is better resolved offline
  479. # [18:52] <tantek> I agree with the concerns that jdaggett has raised.
  480. # [18:52] <glenn> ... will start with proxy on dev.w3.org to csswg.org
  481. # [18:53] <glenn> jdaggett: doesn't like having csswg.org as a point of failure
  482. # [18:53] <glenn> plinss: only for a few weeks/months
  483. # [18:53] <glenn> jdaggett: doesn't see this step as necessary
  484. # [18:53] * nimbu wonders the same
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  486. # [18:53] <dbaron> If there's a chance we can make this happen in a matter of days, I think we should try to get that to happen.
  487. # [18:54] <dbaron> I think it's preferable to have the editors drafts have w3.org URLs
  488. # [18:54] <glenn> plinss: what's the big deal?
  489. # [18:54] <glenn> jdaggett: sounds like extra work for nothing
  490. # [18:54] <glenn> ... had breakage previously
  491. # [18:54] * fantasai thinks this discussion should be over now
  492. # [18:55] <glenn> <going in loops here... glazou?>
  493. # [18:55] * sylvaing lost track of what we're talking about
  494. # [18:55] <fantasai> plinss: They'll be served from dev.w3.org URLs
  495. # [18:55] <glenn> glazou: pls take to email or irc after call
  496. # [18:55] <fantasai> plinss: so why do you care
  497. # [18:55] <Zakim> -??P1
  498. # [18:55] <glenn> TOPIC: css3 images
  499. # [18:56] <glenn> fantasai: DoC but won't get through them today
  500. # [18:56] <dbaron> http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-images/issues-lc-2012 is the thing to discuss?
  501. # [18:56] <glenn> ... all should review DoC and discuss issues during next telecon
  502. # [18:56] <dbaron> er, to review?
  503. # [18:56] <TabAtkins_> http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-images/issues-lc-2012
  504. # [18:56] <glenn> ... suggests talking now about taking V&U to LC
  505. # [18:56] <glenn> glazou: reds need review
  506. # [18:57] <glenn> fantasai: all are pretty tricky
  507. # [18:57] <glenn> tab: need other people looking at them
  508. # [18:57] <Zakim> +??P0
  509. # [18:57] <glenn> glazou: action on all to review DoC and comment
  510. # [18:57] <sylvaing> title of css3-images DoC is 'CSS Backgrounds and Borders Level 3'
  511. # [18:57] * fantasai will fix, sorry :)
  512. # [18:58] <glenn> ... what else to say now about this doc?
  513. # [18:58] <glenn> tab: just discuss DoC
  514. # [18:58] * sylvaing 's ok, it will bring brian fond memories
  515. # [18:58] <glenn> florianr: like to go back to MQ
  516. # [18:58] <glenn> ... current TS is not latest version
  517. # [18:58] <glenn> fantasai: already has action item to do this
  518. # [18:58] <glenn> florianr: will write results for opera
  519. # [18:58] * fantasai wants to get to LC for css3-values, if possible
  520. # [18:58] <fantasai> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-css-wg/2012JanMar/0309.html
  521. # [18:59] <glenn> ... also some editorial changes, should republish
  522. # [18:59] <glenn> ... question about when
  523. # [18:59] <florianr> http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/2012/02/28/precision-engine
  524. # [18:59] <glenn> fantasai: suggests passing (opera) build first
  525. # [18:59] <glenn> florianr: go to LC then hopefully CR
  526. # [19:00] <glenn> s/florianr/fantasai/
  527. # [19:00] <fantasai> s/CR/PR/
  528. # [19:00] <fantasai> fantasai: or are they only editorial?
  529. # [19:00] <fantasai> florianr: Borderline
  530. # [19:00] <fantasai> florianr: Not changing what they say, just what people understand them to say
  531. # [19:01] <glenn> florianr: a request on ML for example
  532. # [19:01] <glenn> fantasai: no opinion
  533. # [19:01] * fantasai read the thread
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  535. # [19:01] <BobBie> hi
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  537. # [19:02] * sylvaing is not clear on what we resolved on MQ
  538. # [19:02] <glenn> florianr: suggest not adding this specific example because it refers to feature not referenced
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  540. # [19:02] <glenn> ... request for example using rem unit
  541. # [19:03] <glenn> sylvaing: think is not needed
  542. # [19:03] <glazou> s/sylvaing/glazou
  543. # [19:03] <glenn> dbaron: but may help clarify spec text, units never based on results of declarations
  544. # [19:03] <glenn> ... unambiguous that rem behaves same way
  545. # [19:03] * krit leaving
  546. # [19:04] <dbaron> Add to "Relative units in media queries are based on the initial value."
  547. # [19:04] <glenn> ... add to sentence "relative units ..."
  548. # [19:04] <Zakim> -Oliver_Goldman
  549. # [19:04] <glenn> florianr: sounds good, will edit and republish
  550. # [19:04] <glenn> <is there a resolution? pls someone type into irc>
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  552. # [19:04] <glazou> RESOLUTION: Add to "Relative units in media queries are based on the initial value."
  553. # [19:05] <glenn> dbaron: previous version in draft is obsolete
  554. # [19:05] <Zakim> -dstorey
  555. # [19:05] <glenn> chrisl: if all editorial, don
  556. # [19:05] <dbaron> s/previous version in draft is obsolete/previous version link in draft points to previous previous version/
  557. # [19:05] <glenn> ... don't need another LC
  558. # [19:05] <glenn> ... or is proposal to go to PR?
  559. # [19:05] <glenn> dbaron: possible in one week
  560. # [19:05] <glenn> ... depends on impl reports
  561. # [19:05] <glenn> florianr: can have IRs tomorrow
  562. # [19:05] <glenn> fantasai: agreed
  563. # [19:06] <glenn> dbaron: mozilla passes all the tests in the repo
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  565. # [19:07] <glenn> florianr: should we list previous editors as current editors or previous?
  566. # [19:07] <glenn> ... currently listed as previous
  567. # [19:07] <jdaggett> previous editors seems fine
  568. # [19:07] <glenn> glazou: no opinion
  569. # [19:07] <glenn> tab: list as previous
  570. # [19:07] <glenn> stevez: long tradition
  571. # [19:07] <dbaron> though sometimes the "previous editors" is editors for a previous level of the spec, which is sort of different...
  572. # [19:08] <danielweck> Zakim, ??P0 is me
  573. # [19:08] <Zakim> +danielweck; got it
  574. # [19:08] <Zakim> -jdaggett
  575. # [19:08] <Bert> RESOLVED: move editors of MQ who are no longer active to "Former editor"
  576. # [19:09] <dbaron> fantasai: Everybody ok with removing the comma between attribute name and type in the attr() function?
  577. # [19:09] <glenn> fantasai: is everbody ok with removing comma between ? and ?
  578. # [19:09] <glenn> glazou: not fair to ask this now at end of call
  579. # [19:09] <Bert> (I don't like it without the comma, but can live with it.)
  580. # [19:09] <dbaron> peterl: We discussed it at f2f, and howcome was only dissenter.
  581. # [19:09] <dbaron> peterl: And howcome just said he's ok with it.
  582. # [19:10] <glenn> <is there a resolution?>
  583. # [19:10] <Zakim> -smfr
  584. # [19:10] <glenn> <fantasai, pls type resolution>
  585. # [19:10] * Parts: kimberly (chatzilla@68.87.42.110)
  586. # [19:10] <dbaron> RESOLVED: publish last call of css3-values
  587. # [19:10] <Zakim> -kimberly
  588. # [19:10] <Zakim> -howcome
  589. # [19:10] <glenn> glazou: adjourned
  590. # [19:10] <Zakim> -nimbu
  591. # [19:10] * BobBie brb
  592. # [19:10] <Zakim> -sylvaing
  593. # [19:10] <Zakim> -ChrisL
  594. # [19:10] <fantasai> RESOLVED: drop comma between attribute name and type in attr()
  595. # [19:10] <Zakim> -glazou
  596. # [19:10] <Zakim> -[Google]
  597. # [19:10] <Zakim> -hober
  598. # [19:10] <Zakim> -dbaron
  599. # [19:10] <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
  600. # [19:10] <Zakim> -stearns
  601. # [19:10] <glenn> rrsagent, publish minutes
  602. # [19:10] <Zakim> -SteveZ
  603. # [19:10] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/29-css-minutes.html glenn
  604. # [19:10] <Zakim> -bradk
  605. # [19:10] * Quits: bradk (bradk@99.7.175.117) (Quit: Get MacIrssi - http://www.sysctl.co.uk/projects/macirssi/ )
  606. # [19:10] <Zakim> -antonp
  607. # [19:10] <Zakim> -Bert
  608. # [19:10] <TabAtkins_> RESOLVED: publish V&U as LCWD.
  609. # [19:10] <Zakim> -kojiishi
  610. # [19:10] <Zakim> -??P45
  611. # [19:10] <Zakim> -plinss
  612. # [19:10] <Zakim> - +8521616aabb
  613. # [19:10] <glenn> trackbot, end meeting
  614. # [19:10] * trackbot is ending a teleconference
  615. # [19:10] <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
  616. # [19:10] <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been nimbu, glazou, plinss, jdaggett, glenn, florianr, smfr, sylvaing, +1.650.253.aaaa, stearns, Oliver_Goldman, TabAtkins_, hober, krit, Bert,
  617. # [19:10] <Zakim> ... antonp, arronei, danielweck, kimberly, SteveZ, ChrisL, +8521616aabb, +1.408.421.aacc, +1.415.766.aadd, dbaron, +47.23.69.aaee, kojiishi, dstorey, Rossen, alexmog_,
  618. # [19:10] <Zakim> ... +1.650.766.aaff, bradk, [Microsoft], +47.23.69.aagg, howcome
  619. # [19:11] <fantasai> Bert, is CSS Speech CR in the pipeline yet?
  620. # [19:11] <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
  621. # [19:11] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/29-css-minutes.html trackbot
  622. # [19:11] <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
  623. # [19:11] <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2012/02/29-css-actions.rdf :
  624. # [19:11] <RRSAgent> ACTION: ChrisL to publish flexbox wd [1]
  625. # [19:11] <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/02/29-css-irc#T17-07-50
  626. # [19:11] * Parts: RRSAgent (rrs-loggee@128.30.52.169)
  627. # [19:11] <Zakim> -danielweck
  628. # [19:11] <Bert> fantasai, no, not yet.
  629. # [19:11] <danielweck> CSS Speech: okay.
  630. # [19:11] <danielweck> (thanks for the update)
  631. # [19:12] <glenn> *: thanks for help in scribing; you guys are hard to keep up with... ;)
  632. # [19:12] <glazou> np glenn , thanks for scribing
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  634. # [19:13] <TabAtkins_> glenn: It gets easier over time as you learn to edit on the fly, and recognize people's voices and accents.
  635. # [19:13] <Bert> Is Speech the only spec to transition, or do we expect MQ soon enough to combine them?
  636. # [19:13] <glenn> i have trouble btwn florianr and smfr; i recognize all the old timers though (bert, chris, stevez, etc)
  637. # [19:14] <TabAtkins_> Interesting. I used to have trouble telling glazou and sylvain apart.
  638. # [19:14] <TabAtkins_> Which is understandable, as they're both French.
  639. # [19:14] <glenn> yeah, i did that once today as well
  640. # [19:14] <Bert> Well, as Tab said, just take minutes weekly for a few months and you'll know their voices :-)
  641. # [19:15] <glazou> yeah, all french sound the same, that's well known ;-)
  642. # [19:15] <florianr> I can take a Japanese accent if you like that better
  643. # [19:15] <glazou> I can speak french slang next time :)
  644. # [19:16] <glazou> bye guys
  645. # [19:16] <TabAtkins_> I started taking minutes on my second call. ^_^
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  647. # [19:17] <antonp> Hey Arron, are you free?
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  649. # [19:18] <arronei> antonp, Yes still here
  650. # [19:19] <antonp> cool, you wanna see if we can hash out those margin collapsing issues?
  651. # [19:19] <arronei> antonp, can you give me 2 mintues I want to get something to drink.
  652. # [19:19] <Zakim> -glenn
  653. # [19:19] <antonp> sure, np
  654. # [19:19] <florianr> dbaron: I am not sure if the minutes have the exact wording you proposed for MQ. Here is what I have, is that what you proposed: "Relative units in media queries are based on the initial value, and units are never based on results of declarations."
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  656. # [19:21] <dbaron> florianr, how about changing ", and" to ", which means that" ?
  657. # [19:21] <florianr> that's better.
  658. # [19:21] <Ms2ger> arronei, I think we all have that reaction to margin collapsing... :)
  659. # [19:22] <arronei> antonp, I am back and I also have our dev (Michael) for margins here too.
  660. # [19:23] * BobBie i'm back
  661. # [19:23] <antonp> cool, great!
  662. # [19:23] <antonp> OK, so I was gonna reply to your mail of course, but we can discuss it here
  663. # [19:23] <arronei> antonp, Actually I am still on the call. I think you can still call in
  664. # [19:24] <antonp> oh ok, let me try
  665. # [19:25] <antonp> damn, it won't let me back in now
  666. # [19:25] <arronei> Send me a private message and I can call you direct
  667. # [19:26] <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
  668. # [19:26] <Zakim> Style_CSS FP()12:00PM has ended
  669. # [19:26] <Zakim> Attendees were nimbu, glazou, plinss, jdaggett, glenn, florianr, smfr, sylvaing, +1.650.253.aaaa, stearns, Oliver_Goldman, TabAtkins_, hober, krit, Bert, antonp, arronei,
  670. # [19:26] <Zakim> ... danielweck, kimberly, SteveZ, ChrisL, +8521616aabb, +1.408.421.aacc, +1.415.766.aadd, dbaron, +47.23.69.aaee, kojiishi, dstorey, Rossen, alexmog_, +1.650.766.aaff, bradk,
  671. # [19:26] <Zakim> ... [Microsoft], +47.23.69.aagg, howcome
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  673. # [19:33] <tantek> How do you tell RRSAgent that you are present in a meeting (e.g. on just irc) in order to be listed in the Attendees in the minutes? http://www.w3.org/2012/02/29-css-minutes.html
  674. # [19:34] <Ms2ger> Something like Present+ tantek?
  675. # [19:34] <florianr> does anybody have a link to the implementation report template?
  676. # [19:34] * fantasai has no idea, but if you say anything about it, I'll list you.
  677. # [19:34] * fantasai doesn't require a special syntax ;)
  678. # [19:35] <florianr> this looks like the right thing: http://wiki.csswg.org/test/implementation-report
  679. # [19:35] <Ms2ger> fantasai, wait, are you secretly a bot? :)
  680. # [19:36] <fantasai> Ms2ger: some days it does seem like that...
  681. # [19:36] <tantek> thanks fantasai - I did say at the start that I was attending only by irc. was just hoping someone knew how to notify RRSAgent.
  682. # [19:37] <fantasai> florianr: http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/Test/CSS3/Namespace/20090210/reports/implement-report.html is a good one
  683. # [19:37] <fantasai> florianr: The one listed on the wiki will load results into plinss's database, but for Media queries we don't actually have the tests loaded there
  684. # [19:37] <fantasai> florianr: I'd just steal the stylesheets from the Namespaces one, and replace the table rows with the output from the MQ test suite
  685. # [19:38] <fantasai> florianr: if we have two implementations that pass everything, we don't need to break it down further
  686. # [19:38] <florianr> and Only a single column listing Opera?
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  688. # [19:38] <fantasai> florianr: yes, and we can add Gecko to the same file
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  690. # [19:39] <florianr> Ok, I'll do that. Ping me when you have pushed the updated test suite.
  691. # [19:41] <Ms2ger> fantasai, does publishing new versions of test suites take a lot of manual work, btw?
  692. # [19:41] <florianr> oh, and implementation reports go to www-style? as an attachement, or should I host somewhere and link to it?
  693. # [19:42] <Ms2ger> Attachment, pls
  694. # [19:45] <dbaron> or send as an attachment to www-archive
  695. # [19:45] <dbaron> and then send the link to www-style
  696. # [19:46] <florianr> sounds better. do I need to be subscribed to www-archive? does the mail's body matter in any way?
  697. # [19:46] <dbaron> that said, if the implementation report is "Get this build and load this testsuite and all the tests pass" that can probably just go to www-style
  698. # [19:46] <florianr> well, my mail will say that, and I'll attach a pretty document saying the same thing with lots of green lines
  699. # [19:47] <dbaron> I don't think the pretty document is really needed to say "passes all tests"
  700. # [19:47] <florianr> I don't know. I though the document was a process requirement
  701. # [19:48] <florianr> if it isn't, I can just send an ordinary mail
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  709. # [20:12] <fantasai> Ms2ger: For MQ, no; about 10 minutes
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