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# [22:22] <fantasai> TabAtkins_: There was a long discussion on this during the 2.1 cycle. I can't remember the outcome, let me check the spec.
# [22:22] <TabAtkins_> Thanks.
# [22:22] <TabAtkins_> I tried reading, but didn't find anything relevant.
# [22:23] <TabAtkins_> I remember discussion, but couldn't recall the outcome.
# [22:23] <fantasai> "If an element has a computed value for 'white-space' of 'pre' or 'pre-wrap', then neither the glyphs of that element's text content nor its white space may be altered for the purpose of justification. "
# [22:23] <fantasai> http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/text.html#alignment-prop
# [22:23] * Ms2ger remembers numerous discussions during the 2.1 cycle
# [22:23] <fantasai> "Note: CSS may add a way to justify text with 'white-space: pre-wrap' in the future. "
# [22:23] <TabAtkins_> Okay.
# [22:23] * fantasai wonders what we had in mind there
# [22:23] <TabAtkins_> I've got an internal request for that. ^_^
# [22:24] <TabAtkins_> And I was checking whether it was possible to just fix our behavior.
# [22:24] <fantasai> use case?
# [22:25] <fantasai> http://wiki.csswg.org/spec/css2.1#issue-53
# [22:25] <TabAtkins_> Some doc app. They want to preserve spaces that the user types (as that's what users expect in a doc app), but they also want to justify text.
# [22:25] <fantasai> interesting
# [22:25] <TabAtkins_> Right now they have to choose one or the other.
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# [22:25] <TabAtkins_> And they can't just use , because those are non-breaking. ^_^
# [22:26] <fantasai> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2010Jul/0055.html
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# [22:26] <fantasai> I think you want that proposal
# [22:26] <TabAtkins_> Yes, I think so.
# [22:27] <TabAtkins_> That would definitely work, I believe.
# [22:29] <fantasai> Ahhh
# [22:29] <fantasai> I remember why we didn't allow it
# [22:29] <fantasai> Tabs
# [22:29] <fantasai> The behavior with tabs is very tricky
# [22:29] <TabAtkins_> ?
# [22:29] <fantasai> You want the tabs to still line up
# [22:29] <fantasai> right
# [22:29] <fantasai> but spaces to stretch
# [22:30] <fantasai> it's simple if the tabs are just used for indentation
# [22:30] <fantasai> but if they're interspersed throughout the line
# [22:30] <fantasai> what does it mean to justify?
# [22:30] <TabAtkins_> Hm, dunno.
# [22:30] <TabAtkins_> I can ask the internal people to talk about this on the list.
# [22:31] <fantasai> How about you figure out that question first
# [22:31] <fantasai> Because that was the main reason to not allow it, at least from my perspective
# [22:31] <TabAtkins_> Ok.
# [22:31] <fantasai> If you've got a good proposal defining the interaction of tabs and justification
# [22:31] <fantasai> then we can move forward and allow the combination
# [22:31] <fantasai> otherwise not
# [22:32] * TabAtkins_ suspects that, since tab-size is controllable, it shouldn't be stretchy.
# [22:32] <TabAtkins_> But I'll check.
# [22:32] <fantasai> stretching for justification is per-line
# [22:32] <fantasai> And tab stops must align across lines
# [22:32] <fantasai> tabs don't have a size
# [22:33] <fantasai> keep that in mind
# [22:33] <fantasai> they just move to the next tab stop
# [22:33] <TabAtkins_> Oh, duh, I keep forgetting that.
# [22:33] <TabAtkins_> Hm, then.
# [22:33] <TabAtkins_> Ok, I've got enough to ask good questions.
# [22:33] <TabAtkins_> Thanks!
# [22:34] <fantasai> think about... what happens if you have a TSV that has long lines and long fields and some of them wrap
# [22:34] <fantasai> That's kindof what we're dealing with here
# [22:34] <TabAtkins_> Yeah.
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