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  3. # [00:00] <fantasai> file an issue?
  4. # [00:00] <TabAtkins> Take an empty container div with text-align:center and make it a positioning root.
  5. # [00:00] <TabAtkins> Sorry, this is just a question first.
  6. # [00:00] <fantasai> ah
  7. # [00:00] <TabAtkins> Give it an inline child, abspos with auto top/left.
  8. # [00:01] <TabAtkins> Should it be top center or top left?
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  10. # [00:01] <TabAtkins> We currently make it top-center on first paint, but top-left on subsequent paints (caused by resize/etc).
  11. # [00:08] <fantasai> I think it's going to be centered
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  66. # [18:55] <fantasai> fantasai ...
  67. # [18:57] * fantasai is failing to minute
  68. # [18:57] <fantasai> Topic: CSS3 Background
  69. # [18:57] <fantasai> fantasai: wanted to update the CR, dbaron had an issue on animations line
  70. # [18:57] <fantasai> fantasai: seems like a lot of mostly redundant info, was wondering if we can keep that in the transitions spec
  71. # [18:57] <fantasai> dbaron: yeah, can probably keep in transitions spec
  72. # [18:57] <fantasai> florian: There are a number of background properties that take a list
  73. # [18:58] <fantasai> florian: if there are fewer than images, then repeat the list
  74. # [18:58] * Rossen is ready
  75. # [18:58] <fantasai> florian: computed value is as specified
  76. # [18:58] <nimbu> hober + sylvaing +++
  77. # [18:58] <fantasai> florian: ... trigger a transition
  78. # [18:58] * nimbu wonders if this will be in w3cmemes
  79. # [18:58] <fantasai> florian: does adding to the list trigger a transition, even if no layers are added?
  80. # [18:58] <fantasai> Tab: It would be a null transition
  81. # [18:58] <fantasai> florian: would send out events, though
  82. # [18:59] <fantasai> florian: Seems more natural for computed value to reflect the value we're using in theory
  83. # [18:59] <fantasai> fantasai: would you truncate the specified value if it's too long then?
  84. # [18:59] <fantasai> florian: yes?
  85. # [18:59] <glazou> nimbu: don't tempt him :)
  86. # [18:59] <fantasai> dbaron: i think this is too late to change it
  87. # [18:59] <fantasai> dbaron: we do this computed value line across 3-4 specs now
  88. # [19:00] <fantasai> dbaron: too late to change them
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  90. # [19:00] <fantasai> fantasai: if no one has other changes to make, suggest publishing update to CR
  91. # [19:00] <fantasai> florian: Another question...
  92. # [19:01] <fantasai> florian: background-position, syntax where you say 'right 10px' is equivalent to 'calc(100%-10px)'
  93. # [19:01] <fantasai> florian: probably too late to change that though
  94. # [19:01] <fantasai> florian: Mozilla shows that in its computed value
  95. # [19:01] <fantasai> fantasai: that's incorrect per spec...
  96. # [19:01] <nimbu> glazou: :))
  97. # [19:01] <fantasai> RESOLVED: publish updated CR of CSS3 Backgrounds
  98. # [19:02] <fantasai> Topic: 2.1
  99. # [19:02] <fantasai> Rossen: Just read anton's reply
  100. # [19:02] <fantasai> Rossen: My issues with the proposal was the fact that when you read 2.1 sections 9.2.1
  101. # [19:02] <Rossen> http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/visuren.html#inline-boxes
  102. # [19:02] <fantasai> Rossen: talks about when an inline level box is created
  103. # [19:03] <Rossen> http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/visuren.html#inline-formatting
  104. # [19:03] <fantasai> rossen: inline-table and inline-block generate inline-level boxes, which participate in inline formatting context
  105. # [19:03] <fantasai> rossen: we have 9.... that talks about inline formatting context, but doesn't say what establishes it
  106. # [19:03] <fantasai> rossen: neither 2.9.4.2 nor 9.2.2
  107. # [19:04] <fantasai> rossen: Because of this I can easily deduce that an inline formatting context can be created by an inline non-replaced element
  108. # [19:04] <glazou> s/2.9.4.2/9.4.2
  109. # [19:04] <fantasai> rossen: issues I raised would become a problem
  110. # [19:04] <fantasai> rossen: ok with proposed definitions, as long as we take an action to clarific exactly what you said
  111. # [19:04] <fantasai> rossen: and state when an inline formatting context is created
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  113. # [19:05] <fantasai> rossen: want to be assured that an inline elements don't establish an inline formatting context
  114. # [19:06] <dbaron> fantasai: "An inline box is one that is both inline-level and whose contents participate in its containing inline formatting context." (9.2.2)
  115. # [19:06] <fantasai> rossen: if we add to beginning of inline formatting context "inline formatting context is established by ...." then there will be no ambiguity
  116. # [19:07] <fantasai> antonp: "A block container box either contains only block-level boxes or establishes an inline formatting context and thus contains only inline-level boxes."
  117. # [19:07] <fantasai> antonp: before nothing said what establishes an inline formatting contexts
  118. # [19:07] <fantasai> antonp: I understand your concern that it's not clear that an inline box does /not/ establish an IFC
  119. # [19:07] <fantasai> rossen: if that's clarified, then all my concerns are invalid
  120. # [19:08] <fantasai> rossen: so if we're ok with adding this clarification, then I don't have a problem
  121. # [19:08] <fantasai> rossen: there's a behavior difference...
  122. # [19:08] <fantasai> rossen: it appears that Gecko has overflow for table
  123. # [19:08] <fantasai> antonp: according to the email, behavior is 50/50
  124. # [19:09] <fantasai> antonp: among 4 key implementations
  125. # [19:09] <fantasai> antonp: √łyvind sent an email that there's a difference as to whether overflow is applied to table box or table wrapper box
  126. # [19:10] <fantasai> fantasai: so do we accept the edits or no?
  127. # [19:10] <fantasai> rossen: I'm ok with this
  128. # [19:10] <fantasai> rossen: concerned about change of behavior in implementations
  129. # [19:10] <fantasai> antonp: Isn't it the case that IE won't have to change?
  130. # [19:10] <fantasai> rossen: IE as of 9 and 10 will have that change
  131. # [19:10] <smfr> gtg
  132. # [19:10] <fantasai> rossen: I guess we didn't see any records that this is breaking anything when we changed it
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  134. # [19:10] <Zakim> -smfr
  135. # [19:11] <fantasai> florian: if we have implementations on either side, defining behavior of table is something we should do anyway
  136. # [19:11] <fantasai> rossen: only question is, do we want scrollers on tables or no?
  137. # [19:11] <fantasai> rossen: should we accept this, then?
  138. # [19:11] <fantasai> rossen: anyone object to overflow on tables/
  139. # [19:11] <fantasai> rossen: curious about other implementers
  140. # [19:11] <Zakim> -alexmog__
  141. # [19:12] <fantasai> dbaron and florian don't know
  142. # [19:12] <dbaron> dbaron: I'd need to look into it.
  143. # [19:12] <fantasai> tab: I know someone does overflow on <tbody>
  144. # [19:12] <fantasai> dbaron: I believe we stopped doing that, but I'm not sure
  145. # [19:12] <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
  146. # [19:12] * dbaron also needs to get going
  147. # [19:13] <fantasai> rossen: easy enough to call it out explicitly as either yay or nay wrt overflow
  148. # [19:13] <fantasai> rossen: my proposal is to go with majority of implementations
  149. # [19:13] <Zakim> -dbaron
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  151. # [19:13] <fantasai> fantasai: so we have an action item to figure out what that is
  152. # [19:13] <fantasai> glazou: ok, will deal with that http://test.csswg.org/shepherd/testcase/overflow-applies-to-013/
  153. # [19:14] <fantasai> later
  154. # [19:14] <Zakim> -hober
  155. # [19:14] <fantasai> Meeting closed.
  156. # [19:14] <Zakim> -rbetts
  157. # [19:14] <Zakim> -glazou
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  159. # [19:14] <Zakim> -koji
  160. # [19:14] <Zakim> -SteveZ
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  162. # [19:14] <Zakim> -plinss
  163. # [19:14] <Zakim> -Rossen
  164. # [19:14] <Zakim> -[Microsoft.a]
  165. # [19:14] <Zakim> -glenn
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  169. # [19:14] <Zakim> -antonp
  170. # [19:14] <Zakim> -TabAtkins
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  177. # [19:14] <Zakim> -??P8
  178. # [19:14] <Zakim> -florian
  179. # [19:14] <Zakim> Style_CSS FP()12:00PM has ended
  180. # [19:14] <Zakim> Attendees were glazou, glenn, florian, +1.604.312.aaaa, rbetts, +1.206.390.aabb, stearns, sylvaing, koji, bradk, plinss, +93192aacc, JohnJansen, antonp, fantasai, smfr, SteveZ,
  181. # [19:14] <Zakim> ... dstorey, +1.619.846.aadd, dbaron, +1.650.253.aaee, TabAtkins, +1.619.846.aaff, hober, +1.425.246.aagg, alexmog__, [Microsoft], arronei, Rossen
  182. # [19:15] <fantasai> TabAtkins: so... plan for tomorrow, finish css3-values, and work on flexbox?
  183. # [19:15] <TabAtkins> fantasai: Yup.
  184. # [19:16] <fantasai> arronei: you wrote a testcase already
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  186. # [19:17] <Ms2ger> Yay, test cases
  187. # [19:17] * Ms2ger wonders what the test suite for css3-values will look like
  188. # [19:19] <TabAtkins> fantasai: Also we can talk a little about <dialog> positioning, since you have Opinions on it and we have someone wanting to implement.
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  191. # [19:24] <fantasai> TabAtkins: I don't have Opinions on it, I just have no idea what it's trying to do
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  194. # [19:31] <TabAtkins> fantasai: That counts.
  195. # [19:31] <fantasai> As an opinion? no
  196. # [19:32] <fantasai> shepazu: Is Fullscreen getting published tomorrow?
  197. # [19:33] <shepazu> working on it right now, actually
  198. # [19:33] <shepazu> it should be published tomorrow
  199. # [19:36] <fantasai> cool
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  202. # [19:52] <tantek> shepazu, fantasai - that's great to hear - thanks!
  203. # [19:57] <shepazu> fantasai: scratch that, it may have to wait until Tuesday
  204. # [19:57] <shepazu> I'm trying to get our ducks in a row with ArtB
  205. # [19:57] <shepazu> I'l try for tomorrow, but it may have to wait
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  237. # [23:59] <fantasai> nimbu: I can't speak for w3cmemes, but it will be in the minutes :)
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