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  50. # [11:49] <SimonSapin> cn=Simon Sapin,ou=People,dc=keleos,dc=fr
  51. # [11:50] <SimonSapin> nevermind, wrong channel
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  63. # [17:25] <SimonSapin> fantasai: ping
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  66. # [17:42] <glazou> Zakim, this will be Style
  67. # [17:42] <Zakim> ok, glazou; I see Style_CSS FP()12:00PM scheduled to start in 28 minutes
  68. # [17:42] <glazou> RRSAgent, make logs public
  69. # [17:42] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, glazou
  70. # [17:44] <SimonSapin> glazou: I just wrote to w3c-css-wg to ask about editing specs
  71. # [17:45] <glazou> hi SImon ; looking
  72. # [17:45] <glazou> not received yet
  73. # [17:46] <SimonSapin> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-css-wg/2012JulSep/0381.html
  74. # [17:47] <glazou> yep saw it
  75. # [17:48] <glazou> TabAtkins: ping
  76. # [17:48] <glazou> yt ?
  77. # [17:48] <glazou> SimonSapin: ask fantasai or TabAtkins about how-to documents
  78. # [17:49] <SimonSapin> I found stuff on the wiki about publishing to /TR
  79. # [17:50] <Ms2ger> SimonSapin, also, https://www.w3.org/Style/Group/
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  81. # [17:50] <Ms2ger> And https://www.w3.org/Style/Group/css3-src/bin/postprocess
  82. # [17:51] <SimonSapin> Ms2ger: the latter builds Overview.html from a Overview.src.html, right?
  83. # [17:51] <Ms2ger> Yep
  84. # [17:52] <SimonSapin> and you use curl or something to automate it?
  85. # [17:53] <Ms2ger> I believe some people have Makefiles in the public repo
  86. # [17:53] <glazou> curl is ok
  87. # [17:53] <glazou> the basis is HTTP PUT
  88. # [17:54] <glazou> see bottom of https://www.w3.org/Style/Group/css3-src/bin/README.html
  89. # [17:55] * glazou will be back in a bit ; needs medicines for his cold
  90. # [17:56] <SimonSapin> Ms2ger: scripts in the repo, in http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/csswg/ ?
  91. # [17:56] <Ms2ger> Yes
  92. # [17:57] <Ms2ger> ./css3-regions/Makefile, for example
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  94. # [17:57] <SimonSapin> oh, per spec
  95. # [17:58] <Ms2ger> Yeah
  96. # [17:59] <SimonSapin> hum, css3-page/Makefile includes ../Makefile … which does not exist
  97. # [17:59] <SimonSapin> I’ll look around
  98. # [18:00] <Ms2ger> Heh
  99. # [18:00] <glazou> not sure I'll be able to chair ; I can barely speak
  100. # [18:00] <glazou> so sore throat
  101. # [18:01] <SimonSapin> Ok for the tools. The question remains: should I just push small fixes or talk to the editors first?
  102. # [18:02] <glazou> the latter
  103. # [18:02] <glazou> the usual way is to send the typos by email directly to the editors or, if they're important, www-style
  104. # [18:02] <glazou> in that latter case, it's archived and that's why it does matter
  105. # [18:03] * Ms2ger wouldn't mind the former, but doesn't edit any css specs
  106. # [18:03] <glazou> the former is not archived and verifiable
  107. # [18:03] <glazou> by anyone I mean
  108. # [18:03] <SimonSapin> well, the hg history is public
  109. # [18:04] <glazou> hg logs are far less easy to get than www-style archive…
  110. # [18:04] <glazou> and they don't have URIs
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  112. # [18:04] <glazou> hey Molly
  113. # [18:04] <glazou> paul_irish: yt?
  114. # [18:04] <Ms2ger> There's always hgweb
  115. # [18:05] <Molly> Hey Daniel! I'm IRCing in from a plane, so no phone today
  116. # [18:05] <glazou> from a plane ?!?
  117. # [18:05] <glazou> wow
  118. # [18:05] <Ms2ger> Relevant: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8r1CZTLk-Gk
  119. # [18:06] <glazou> at this time, I could use a plane ticket to bora-bora
  120. # [18:06] <Molly> Yep, on my way home from Chicago to Tucson, 5 dollar wifi all day on Southwest :)
  121. # [18:06] <glazou> nice
  122. # [18:06] <Zakim> Style_CSS FP()12:00PM has now started
  123. # [18:06] <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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  125. # [18:06] * Molly asks flight attendant about a ticket to bora bora for glazou
  126. # [18:06] <florian> Zakim, I am [UPcaller]
  127. # [18:06] <Zakim> sorry, florian, I do not see a party named '[UPcaller]'
  128. # [18:07] <florian> Zakim, I am [IPcaller]
  129. # [18:07] <Zakim> ok, florian, I now associate you with [IPcaller]
  130. # [18:07] <Zakim> +??P33
  131. # [18:07] <glazou> Zakim, ??P33 is me
  132. # [18:07] <Zakim> +glazou; got it
  133. # [18:07] <Zakim> + +1.415.308.aaaa
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  135. # [18:08] <glazou> Zakim, aaaa is krit
  136. # [18:08] <Zakim> +krit; got it
  137. # [18:08] * krit glazou: thanks
  138. # [18:08] <glazou> np
  139. # [18:08] * glazou feels he is surrounded by cotton
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  141. # [18:09] <glazou> even embedded in
  142. # [18:09] <krit> glazou: sounds save
  143. # [18:09] <glazou> sick
  144. # [18:09] <krit> glazou: :(
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  150. # [18:10] <glazou> Molly: a good tea with honey will do the trick
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  153. # [18:11] <Molly> :) Done! But I'll have to make it a torrent for optimal plane to cup xfer
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  163. # [18:13] <glazou> Zakim, ??P64 is SimonSapin
  164. # [18:13] <SimonSapin> Zakim, ??P64 is me
  165. # [18:13] <Zakim> +CesarAcebal.a
  166. # [18:13] <Zakim> +plinss
  167. # [18:13] <Zakim> +SimonSapin
  168. # [18:13] <JohnJansen> zakim, Microsoft has JohnJansen
  169. # [18:13] <Zakim> + +1.415.615.aabb
  170. # [18:13] <Zakim> +SimonSapin; got it
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  172. # [18:13] <Zakim> I already had ??P64 as SimonSapin.a, SimonSapin
  173. # [18:14] <rhauck> Zakim, aabb is me
  174. # [18:14] <Zakim> +JohnJansen; got it
  175. # [18:14] <antonp1> Zakim, who is here
  176. # [18:14] <Zakim> + +1.415.832.aacc
  177. # [18:14] <Zakim> +leaverou
  178. # [18:14] <Zakim> +rhauck; got it
  179. # [18:14] <Zakim> antonp1, you need to end that query with '?'
  180. # [18:15] <Zakim> +[Apple]
  181. # [18:15] <SimonSapin> How can I resolve SimonSapin.a vs. SimonSapin?
  182. # [18:15] <glazou> Zakim, aacc is rossen
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  184. # [18:15] <hober> Zakim, Apple is me
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  187. # [18:15] <glazou> Zakim, who is on the phone?
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  190. # [18:16] <Zakim> +rossen; got it
  191. # [18:16] <Zakim> +hober; got it
  192. # [18:16] <Zakim> On the phone I see [IPcaller], glazou, krit, bradk, lstorset, [Microsoft], Stearns, Bert, CesarAcebal, SimonSapin.a, antonp, CesarAcebal.a, plinss, SimonSapin, rhauck, rossen,
  193. # [18:16] <Zakim> ... leaverou, hober
  194. # [18:16] <Zakim> [Microsoft] has JohnJansen
  195. # [18:16] <Zakim> +fantasai
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  197. # [18:17] <SimonSapin> Seems like Zakim is seeing me twice, again
  198. # [18:17] <glazou> SimonSapin: nevermind
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  200. # [18:18] <fantasai> ScribeNick: fantasai
  201. # [18:18] <fantasai> glazou: any extra items?
  202. # [18:18] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
  203. # [18:18] <fantasai> krit: Would like editor to Masking
  204. # [18:18] <arronei> zakim, microsoft has me
  205. # [18:18] <Zakim> +arronei; got it
  206. # [18:18] <fantasai> krit: Would like to add Brian Birtles from Mozilla
  207. # [18:18] <fantasai> krit: He's already worked on SVG masking spec
  208. # [18:19] <fantasai> glazou: Any objections?
  209. # [18:19] <fantasai> RESOLVED: Brian Birtles added as editor to CSS3 Masking
  210. # [18:19] <glazou> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2012Sep/0464.html
  211. # [18:19] <fantasai> glazou: Request from fantasai and Tab to publish FPWD of counter-styles
  212. # [18:20] <fantasai> Florian: This is split out for CSS3 Lists?
  213. # [18:20] <fantasai> fantasai: yes
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  215. # [18:20] <fantasai> Florian: It's removed all the stuff except CSS2.1 / CSS2.0 stuff?
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  217. # [18:21] <fantasai> fantasai: Yes, except ethiopic-numeric, because it can't be represented by @counter-style. This is marked as an issue.
  218. # [18:21] <Zakim> -rhauck
  219. # [18:22] <fantasai> Florian: What about katakana / hiragana?
  220. # [18:22] * lstorset away for a minute, computer troubles
  221. # [18:22] <tantek> good morning
  222. # [18:22] <glazou> hi tantek
  223. # [18:22] <fantasai> Florian: There was some question of how they behave, why not look at the implementations that exist?
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  225. # [18:22] <fantasai> fantasai: No disagreement there
  226. # [18:22] <fantasai> Florian: If there's no implementation, then remove them.
  227. # [18:22] <fantasai> glazou: We have enough time to remove them in the future
  228. # [18:23] <fantasai> glazou: Noticed one of the latest edits was edit to type attribute in CSSOM (changed to system)
  229. # [18:23] <fantasai> glazou: There was some discussion about that
  230. # [18:23] <fantasai> glazou: Change seems good to me.
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  232. # [18:23] * TabAtkins_ is trying to call, but the line is being weird and claiming it's not in service.
  233. # [18:23] <fantasai> Bert: Can we change the shortname? Seems odd for CSS3 shortnames to be inconsistent
  234. # [18:24] <fantasai> Florian: Didn't we resolve to change it to the new pattern?
  235. # [18:24] <TabAtkins_> Yes, it's the new pattern that we'll change everything to.
  236. # [18:24] <rhauck> me too Tab, just dropped from call and can't get back in
  237. # [18:24] <fantasai> Florian: Eventually we will migrate everything to the new scheme
  238. # [18:24] <fantasai> glazou: We resolved on that last week
  239. # [18:24] <fantasai> Bert: Think there's better things to do, but ok.
  240. # [18:24] <fantasai> glazou: We need to. The current naming scheme has been inconsistent, and it's confusing people.
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  242. # [18:25] <Zakim> +rhauck
  243. # [18:25] <Zakim> + +1.281.305.aadd
  244. # [18:25] <TabAtkins_> zakim, aadd is me
  245. # [18:25] <Zakim> +TabAtkins_; got it
  246. # [18:26] <fantasai> Florian: I will object if they are not marked at-risk
  247. # [18:26] <fantasai> fantasai: They're marked
  248. # [18:26] <fantasai> glazou: It's in the status section
  249. # [18:26] <fantasai> Florian: Ok, I'm good.
  250. # [18:26] <fantasai> RESOLVED: FPWD CSS Counter Styles Level 3
  251. # [18:26] * krit TabAtkins calling from the bus station?
  252. # [18:26] <fantasai> Topic: Viewport Size for Reftests
  253. # [18:26] <glazou> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-css-testsuite/2012Sep/0020.html
  254. # [18:26] <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]
  255. # [18:26] <koji> zakim, [ipcaller.a] is me
  256. # [18:26] <Zakim> +koji; got it
  257. # [18:27] <fantasai> leif: Deferred so I could investigate what Opera needed.
  258. # [18:27] <fantasai> leif: Essentially have no problem with 600x600
  259. # [18:28] <fantasai> leif: Might need different size in the future, but probably would prefer to mark that with metadata
  260. # [18:28] * glazou reminder to all : read the conf call minutes as soon as they are releases and object - if you have to - as soon as possible
  261. # [18:28] <glazou> s/releases/released
  262. # [18:28] <fantasai> fantasai: If we need a smaller size, then we should figure that out now, not go back and mark tests that fit within the smaller size and say the others can't be run on that size
  263. # [18:29] <fantasai> leif: ... viewport tests probably need a special keywords ...
  264. # [18:29] * glazou sorry for coughing
  265. # [18:29] <fantasai> arronei: We should add a flag for tests that don't fit within 600x600
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  267. # [18:30] <fantasai> rossen: From past experience, when we had tests that rely on a square container, sometimes this can hide some buggy implementations, especially when dealing with different permutations of directions / writing modes / etc
  268. # [18:31] <fantasai> rossen: when both containing width and height are the same, might hide a buggy implementation there
  269. # [18:31] <antonp1> +1
  270. # [18:31] <fantasai> rossen: if you're settled on 600x600, that's fine, but a square container is prone to hiding some bugs
  271. # [18:31] <fantasai> krit: Mozilla uses 1000x1000, and Webkit uses 800x600
  272. # [18:32] <fantasai> rossen: 1000x1000 doesn't solve the issue I was talking about, but 800x600 would be perfect
  273. # [18:32] <SimonSapin> +1, I had such bugs. (Non-square viewport is better)
  274. # [18:32] <fantasai> rossen: also @media aspect ratios, setting square viewport can hide some things that you want to find out sooner than later
  275. # [18:33] <fantasai> fantasai: This isn't the size to use, it's the smallest size that you can make the viewport and still capture all relevant data in a screenshot
  276. # [18:33] <fantasai> glazou: Enough info to make a decision?
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  278. # [18:34] <fantasai> fantasai: Yeah. We'll go with 600x600, and recommend that UAs use a rectangular size that is larger than that if possible.
  279. # [18:34] <fantasai> Florian: I'm mildly surprised no one needs a smaller size for mobile testing
  280. # [18:34] <fantasai> leif: Often the desktop viewport size is used
  281. # [18:35] <fantasai> leif: If we wanted to go with the smallest mobile screen size, we'd be at 240
  282. # [18:35] <fantasai> leif: that's a bit small
  283. # [18:35] <fantasai> RESOLVED: as fantasai summarized above
  284. # [18:35] <glazou> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2012Jul/0598.html
  285. # [18:35] <fantasai> Topic: Multi-column Shrink-to-fit
  286. # [18:35] <glazou> this is SimonSapin speaking
  287. # [18:36] <fantasai> Sapin: The part of multicol about shrink-to-fit doesn't make sense. We should just remove it.
  288. # [18:36] <fantasai> fantasai: I agree with removing any implication that css3-multicol defines multicol intrinsic sizing
  289. # [18:36] <florian> I am wondering is the size limit implies constrains on the fonts that you can use when running the tests, as some fonts may cause the text to overflow
  290. # [18:36] <fantasai> Sapin: We can define it later in css3-sizing if necessary.
  291. # [18:36] <florian> s/is the/if the/
  292. # [18:36] <fantasai> Bert: I didn't understand what the problem is
  293. # [18:37] <fantasai> Sapin: css3-multicol sizing uses shrink-to-fit sizing when available size is none, but CSS2.1 [...]
  294. # [18:37] <fantasai> glazou: You said there is little interop in your email
  295. # [18:37] <fantasai> Sapin: If we we make float multicol elements, we can see intrinsic size without defining width
  296. # [18:37] <fantasai> Sapin: Results are all over the place
  297. # [18:38] <fantasai> fantasai: I raised an issue about multicol intrinsic sizing that håkon thought was in the spec not making sense anyway
  298. # [18:38] <fantasai> glazou: Impact on the spec?
  299. # [18:39] <fantasai> Sapin: [...]
  300. # [18:39] <fantasai> anton: Make it explicitly undefined?
  301. # [18:39] <fantasai> Sapin: Yes, we can add that it's undefined
  302. # [18:39] <fantasai> Sapin: I don't know if, for example, Flexbox explicitly says the preferred width is undefined
  303. # [18:39] <fantasai> fantasai: No, we define it.
  304. # [18:40] <fantasai> Florian: Easier for us and implementers if we make it explicitly undefined
  305. # [18:40] <fantasai> rossen: Have another question here, can you elaborate what you meant by "results are all over the place?"
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  307. # [18:40] <fantasai> Sapin: For example, some browsers takes the preferred width as if the element were not multi-column, and just use that
  308. # [18:40] <fantasai> Sapin: Some browsers multiply the results by the column-count
  309. # [18:40] * glazou thinks that for a first contribution by SimonSapin to our conf calls, it's a success
  310. # [18:40] <fantasai> Rossen: Were there any browsers doing what the spec is asking for?
  311. # [18:41] <fantasai> Sapin: I don't know what the spec is supposed to be asking for
  312. # [18:41] <fantasai> fantasai: I think we should make it's undefined, because the desired behavior is unclear/unknown, and we don't have interop
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  314. # [18:42] <fantasai> Bert: It's already undefined in the spec, what did you want to change?
  315. # [18:42] <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
  316. # [18:42] <fantasai> Sapin: I don't know how having an unknown available-width is useful
  317. # [18:43] <fantasai> glazou: Seems to me some people need to do more investigation to rsolve this
  318. # [18:43] <fantasai> rossen: We did a bit of work on this, I need to test a little on that
  319. # [18:43] <fantasai> rossen: We read the spec at the time, and it kinda made sense
  320. # [18:43] <fantasai> rossen: I would prefer if we can take this next week and then have a few days to look around and see what exactly would that mean
  321. # [18:44] <fantasai> glazou: We'll return next week
  322. # [18:44] <fantasai> anton: Ca we get confirmatio exactly what the proposal is
  323. # [18:44] <fantasai> Sapin: Remove lines 3-10 inclusive
  324. # [18:45] <fantasai> Florian: Seems we have to remove something, but unsure what the scope of that its
  325. # [18:45] <glazou> http://www.w3.org/mid/4FBB2B56.9080805@mcc.id.au
  326. # [18:45] <fantasai> Topic: URL notation and IRIs
  327. # [18:45] <fantasai> TabAtkins_: We just have to make sure our definition of URLs includes IRIs
  328. # [18:46] <SimonSapin> URLs are ASCII only (and even more restrictive than that)
  329. # [18:46] <fantasai> glazou: How many changes do we need?
  330. # [18:46] <fantasai> TabAtkins_: Just in css3-values
  331. # [18:46] <fantasai> Florian: Some people complained that we shouldn't use the term URL when we mean IRI
  332. # [18:47] <fantasai> TabAtkins proposes ignoring that
  333. # [18:47] <fantasai> TabAtkins: That's what everyone calls them
  334. # [18:47] <fantasai> krit: CSS3 Images need to update to CSS3 Values and Units instead of CSS2.1 then
  335. # [18:48] <fantasai> glazou: Editing CR?
  336. # [18:48] <fantasai> fantasai: This qualifies as a clarification, since this is what was meant
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  338. # [18:49] <fantasai> fantasai: I think I even had an issue marked on what the correct terminology should be to include IRIs, and nobody every commented on it
  339. # [18:49] <fantasai> fantasai: So I just removed the issue.
  340. # [18:49] <SimonSapin> RFC 3987 instead of RFC 3986
  341. # [18:49] <fantasai> glazou: Also need to update the prose of the spec
  342. # [18:49] <glazou> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-css-wg/2012JulSep/0372.html
  343. # [18:49] <fantasai> Topic: Line Grid proposal
  344. # [18:50] <fantasai> Florian: At the Kyoto F2F, fantasai made a line grid proposal
  345. # [18:50] <fantasai> Florian: Everybody liked it, and since there was the Line Layout module, people wanted to put Line Grid into Line Layout
  346. # [18:50] <fantasai> Florian: But since then it seems Line layout is complicated and moves slowly
  347. # [18:50] <fantasai> Florian: Propose making it its own module, and moving it forward
  348. # [18:50] <fantasai> Szilles: Line grid is equally complicated, because you don't know what to align with the line gride
  349. # [18:51] <fantasai> Florian: I agree there are ambiguities in what will happen until Line Layout is finished
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  351. # [18:51] <fantasai> florian: But [...]
  352. # [18:51] <fantasai> szilles: No, it's because of the way line-height is defined
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  354. # [18:51] <fantasai> szilles: You don't know where the baseline is within a line
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  356. # [18:52] <fantasai> fantasai: Isn't that only true when someting is vertical-align: bottom or top ?
  357. # [18:52] <fantasai> szilles: don't recall, but not about differing baselines
  358. # [18:52] <fantasai> Florian: Seems to me in generalized situation what you're saying is right, but there are a lot of cases that would work
  359. # [18:52] <fantasai> szilles: I guess I disagree, since if you don't figure this out from the beginning you won't get it right
  360. # [18:53] <fantasai> szilles: But I will commit to having a Line Module layout by Lyon
  361. # [18:54] <fantasai> Florian: Couldn't we still have different modules that depend on each other? Or is dependency too strong?
  362. # [18:54] <fantasai> szilles: you need a definition of lines that works
  363. # [18:54] <fantasai> anton: I think you'll end up relying on dependencies that aren't thought through
  364. # [18:54] <fantasai> glazou: Since Steve's committed to giving us a module by Lyon, I suggest waiting until then
  365. # [18:55] <fantasai> Florian: Ok, that's fine
  366. # [18:55] <fantasai> glazou: end of agenda, anything else to discuss?
  367. # [18:55] <fantasai> fantasai: Do we have dates for F2F in February yet?
  368. # [18:55] <fantasai> molly?
  369. # [18:56] <fantasai> glazou: Proposed 4-6 of February in Tucson
  370. # [18:56] <fantasai> Florian: pending confirmation
  371. # [18:56] <fantasai> glazou: I have an exclusion in February, there's a W3C workshop about EPUB in NYC 15-16 of February
  372. # [18:56] <fantasai> glazou: So would like to avoid those dates if we ever change
  373. # [18:56] <fantasai> szilles: don't think molly can do those dates anyway
  374. # [18:56] * krit TabAtkins don't we have the svg f2f at the same time?
  375. # [18:57] <fantasai> fantasai: So just need Molly to confirm dates?
  376. # [18:57] <fantasai> glazou: Anything else?
  377. # [18:57] <fantasai> Florian: Yes, about your priority lists, seems to me there were some specs missing. Maybe re-issue an updated list?
  378. # [18:57] <fantasai> glazou: People already commented that they were missing, so I hope responses included them
  379. # [18:57] <molly> It is dependent upon availability and sponsors - but I will leave those days out
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  381. # [18:57] <fantasai> fantasai: If they didn't include them, need to go back and ask
  382. # [18:58] <fantasai> Florian: Public responses missed e.g. CSS Variables
  383. # [18:58] <fantasai> glazou: Ok, I'll deal with that
  384. # [18:59] <fantasai> glazou: Peter and I will go through responses before TPAC so we can discuss, so really need responses soon so we can aggregate data
  385. # [18:59] * molly needs dates of next SVG meet too is it in feb?
  386. # [19:00] <fantasai> fantasai: For CSS3 Conditional, Tab and I plan to request LC on October 10th telecon, that's in 2 weeks. Please review and send issues before then.
  387. # [19:01] <Zakim> -krit
  388. # [19:01] <Zakim> -hober
  389. # [19:01] <Zakim> -TabAtkins_
  390. # [19:01] <Zakim> -antonp
  391. # [19:01] <Zakim> -leaverou
  392. # [19:01] <Zakim> -rossen
  393. # [19:01] <Zakim> -glazou
  394. # [19:01] <Zakim> -Stearns
  395. # [19:01] <Zakim> -CesarAcebal
  396. # [19:01] <Zakim> -lstorset
  397. # [19:01] <Zakim> -koji
  398. # [19:01] <Zakim> -CesarAcebal.a
  399. # [19:01] <Zakim> -bradk
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  401. # [19:01] <Zakim> -rhauck
  402. # [19:01] <Zakim> -SimonSapin
  403. # [19:01] <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
  404. # [19:01] <Zakim> -plinss
  405. # [19:01] <fantasai> Meeting closed.
  406. # [19:02] <Zakim> -[Microsoft.a]
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  410. # [19:02] <Zakim> -Bert
  411. # [19:02] <Zakim> -fantasai
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  414. # [19:05] <Zakim> -SimonSapin.a
  415. # [19:05] <Zakim> Style_CSS FP()12:00PM has ended
  416. # [19:05] <Zakim> Attendees were [IPcaller], glazou, +1.415.308.aaaa, krit, bradk, lstorset, Stearns, Bert, CesarAcebal, antonp, plinss, SimonSapin, +1.415.615.aabb, JohnJansen, +1.415.832.aacc,
  417. # [19:05] <Zakim> ... leaverou, rhauck, rossen, hober, fantasai, [Microsoft], arronei, +1.281.305.aadd, TabAtkins_, koji
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  424. # [19:10] <lstorset> Anyways, don't worry too much, just had to ask when I had you there :)
  425. # [19:10] <lstorset> oops, wrong window
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