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  1. # Session Start: Thu Feb 21 00:00:00 2013
  2. # Session Ident: #css
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  4. # [00:07] <SimonSapin> TabAtkins_, fantasai: is the "applies to" line of properties supposed to talk about elements rather than boxes?
  5. # [00:07] <SimonSapin> boxes make so much more sense
  6. # [00:07] <TabAtkins_> It doesn't really mean anything in the first place.
  7. # [00:07] <TabAtkins_> But I dunno?
  8. # [00:08] <fantasai> I think it's boxes
  9. # [00:08] <fantasai> But CSS2.1 uses elements
  10. # [00:08] <fantasai> because elements ~~ boxes in CSS2.1
  11. # [00:08] <fantasai> there wasn't a well-understod distinction until Anton started posting comments
  12. # [00:09] <SimonSapin> It’s about this: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2013Feb/0541.html
  13. # [00:10] <fantasai> I agree with just putting "Applies to: block containers"
  14. # [00:12] <fantasai> TabAtkins_: I didn't find a missing </var>...
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  16. # [00:13] <fantasai> TabAtkins_: ... guess that means I missed something
  17. # [00:17] <TabAtkins_> Heh. Did you fix any of the errors? Because I didn't find anything besides that.
  18. # [00:17] <ojan> TabAtkins_: the sizing spec may have had an || for contains-floats at some point...but i'm pretty sure it doesn't now
  19. # [00:17] <TabAtkins_> ojan: Yeah, it doesn't.
  20. # [00:18] <TabAtkins_> But it's supposed to be "[ <length> | <percentage> ] || contain-floats
  21. # [00:18] <ojan> TabAtkins_: yeah, that seems fine.
  22. # [00:18] <ojan> Although, not sure why it needs to limit to min-width/min-height
  23. # [00:19] <TabAtkins_> ojan: Because it's establishing a minimum, not a preferred.
  24. # [00:19] <TabAtkins_> You want your element to be at least big enough to contain its floats.
  25. # [00:20] <ojan> i suppose
  26. # [00:20] <ojan> still...a separate property makes more sense to me.
  27. # [00:22] <fantasai> a separate *property*?
  28. # [00:23] <fantasai> I'm pretty sure you don't want that to cascade separately
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  31. # [00:28] <SimonSapin> fantasai, dbaron: feel free to chime in on http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2013Feb/0545.html
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  34. # [00:30] <fantasai> SimonSapin: Um. +1?
  35. # [00:31] * fantasai wishes ppl would stop CCing fantasai@ on mails to www-style
  36. # [00:31] <SimonSapin> ah sorry
  37. # [00:31] <SimonSapin> +1 on www-style would be great, and you can change your sender address ;)
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  40. # [00:52] <SimonSapin> fantasai: can we break between flex lines? Should they be added to "class 1"? http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-break/#btw-blocks
  41. # [00:53] <ojan> fantasai: i'm not sure why you wouldn't want it to cascade separately.
  42. # [00:54] <ojan> in fact...the more i think about it, the more i think you would...
  43. # [00:55] <ojan> lets say you design a "thinger" component and you want to make sure it always contains it's floats...but then some other instance of thinger wants to set a min-width/min-height of 100px. you wouldn't want the latter to override whether the thinger contains floats
  44. # [00:55] <ojan> TabAtkins_: ^^^^
  45. # [00:59] <TabAtkins_> Hm, that sounds reasonable.
  46. # [01:02] <stearns> I agree with ojan. It seems like a separate property to me
  47. # [01:03] <ojan> yay, i win! :)
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  49. # [01:03] <ojan> joking aside...suppose i should send an email to www-style.
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  58. # [01:32] <fantasai> ojan: I think if you're designing a component, you want it to be a BFC regardless
  59. # [01:32] <fantasai> ojan: in which case, it will contain its floats.
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  63. # [01:56] <fantasai> SimonSapin: http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-flexbox/#pagination
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  65. # [02:01] <ojan> i'm not sure what the other implications of being a BFC are
  66. # [02:01] <ojan> maybe it's not worth being able to control that separately from whether floats are contained.
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  364. # [19:01] <tantek> TabAtkins_ I added h-entry to css3-syntax as well.
  365. # [19:01] * tantek is slowly developing hg habits (sad to say).
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  408. # [19:38] <fantasai> SimonSapin: http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-flexbox/#pagination
  409. # [19:38] <fantasai> SimonSapin: We don't need to say anything in css3-break
  410. # [19:39] <SimonSapin> fantasai: ok, good. I just noticed the "Other layout models may add breakpoints to the above classes." note in css3-break
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  427. # [20:26] <tantek> fantasai - I just added h-card and h-entry to css3-flexbox and regen'd it.
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  440. # [21:07] <Spark01> so uh, im guessing this chat is more geared towards people more competent than me
  441. # [21:07] <Spark01> but ill ask anyways: is there any ways to accomplish a multiple column layout
  442. # [21:07] <Spark01> without using float or tables
  443. # [21:09] <glenn> Spark01: this channel is for discussions of CSS Specification development, not usage questions; try www.css-discuss.org, etc
  444. # [21:11] <Spark01> yeah, i kinda figured so, but i didnt see any other channels about CSS :P Sorry! And thanks!
  445. # [21:11] <glenn> Spark01: np, good hunting
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  457. # [22:34] <fantasai> glenn: He's on the wrong server, is the problem. Probably freenode#css has something...
  458. # [22:35] <glenn> ah
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  461. # [22:44] <fantasai> tantek: ok
  462. # [22:45] <tantek> holy delayed reply ;)
  463. # [22:45] <fantasai> :)
  464. # [22:51] <tantek> now editing css3-page similarly (and respecting your choice of doctype)
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  466. # [22:53] <fantasai> heh
  467. # [22:54] <tantek> (which also means I'm free to use whatever rel values I want ;) )
  468. # [22:54] <fantasai> =P
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  470. # [22:55] <tantek> though I noticed there was no issues or discussion areas in the header
  471. # [22:55] <fantasai> ah, good point
  472. # [22:55] <fantasai> it's an old spec
  473. # [22:55] * fantasai never updated it
  474. # [22:55] <tantek> I'm being conservative with additions
  475. # [22:56] <fantasai> feel free to add those sections. We're using http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/Tracker/products/13 for tracking
  476. # [22:56] <fantasai> otherwise I'll try to remember to do that before we publish
  477. # [22:56] <tantek> ok I can do that
  478. # [22:57] <tantek> plus I'm going to update your affiliation :P
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  480. # [22:59] <fantasai> Yeah, that's confusing. On the one hand, I no longer work for HP. On the other, most of the work that went into this publication happened under HP
  481. # [22:59] <tantek> similarly, annevk's affiliation changed just before going to REC in this spec: http://www.w3.org/TR/2013/REC-selectors-api-20130221/
  482. # [23:00] <tantek> there's some notion that the affiliation should reflect what's known as of date of publication
  483. # [23:02] <tantek> ok adding Issues and Discussion
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  486. # [23:05] <SimonSapin> tantek, fantasai: css3-page also has stuff about the previous LC, probably obsolete
  487. # [23:05] <SimonSapin> including a broken link
  488. # [23:11] <tantek> ok pushed my changes
  489. # [23:11] <tantek> SimonSapin - I didn't make any content changes other than adding Issue Tracking, Feedback and Elika's change of affiliation
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  491. # [23:18] <tantek> fantasai - in what repository is the CSS Print Profile?
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  495. # [23:27] <fantasai> tantek: It's in the www.w3.org CVS repository
  496. # [23:27] <fantasai> tantek: in some weird /Style/Group location from the dark ages
  497. # [23:28] * fantasai didn't move it because she didn't want to put up an Editor's Draft for something that dates from that era and shouldn't be maintained going forward
  498. # [23:28] <tantek> that's cool
  499. # [23:28] * tantek is wondering if he should bother documenting how to edit such docs on http://wiki.csswg.org/spec/cvs
  500. # [23:29] <fantasai> probably at this point only me and Bert need to know
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  502. # [23:34] <tantek> dbaron - I added h-card and h-entry markup to css3-conditional
  503. # [23:37] <tantek> fantasai - does the www.w3.org CVS repository have a browsable web UI?
  504. # [23:37] <tantek> also, what's the CVSROOT for the www.w3.org CVS repository?
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  506. # [23:38] <fantasai> No UI that I know of, though there might be one
  507. # [23:38] <fantasai> tantek: username@cvs.w3.org:/w3ccvs
  508. # [23:41] <SimonSapin> do we skip post-CR WDs for "previous version"?
  509. # [23:42] <SimonSapin> there’s a 2006 WD for css3-page (the link was already wrong before)
  510. # [23:43] <tantek> SimonSapin - no. previous version usually refers to previous TR version (includes WDs)
  511. # [23:43] <SimonSapin> ok, fixing it now
  512. # [23:43] <tantek> fantasai - I suppose before I check out all the old W3C crap I should ask which root you use for just the CSSWG stuff in cvs.w3.org:/w3ccvs
  513. # [23:44] * tantek is trying to construct a cvs -d command
  514. # [23:44] <tantek> e.g. cvs -d :ext:Tantekelik@cvs.w3.org:/w3ccvs co ????
  515. # [23:47] * Quits: tantek (~tantek@public.cloak) (tantek)
  516. # [23:49] <fantasai> Um
  517. # [23:49] * fantasai tries to think how to find this info
  518. # [23:52] <fantasai> I know the path down is /WWW/Style/Group
  519. # [23:53] <SimonSapin> fantasai: how do you feel about new terms for the multiple usages of "initial containing block"?
  520. # [23:54] <fantasai> SimonSapin: Think it's probably a good idea. Not sure what they all should be
  521. # [23:54] <fantasai> :)
  522. # [23:54] <SimonSapin> containing blocks of fragments generated by :root are the current page, viewport units are based on the first page
  523. # [23:54] <SimonSapin> how about actually using "viewport"?
  524. # [23:55] <fantasai> Doesn't actually make sense
  525. # [23:55] <fantasai> Because you're viewing the document on all the pages
  526. # [23:55] <SimonSapin> yeah, it doesn’t
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  528. # [23:56] <SimonSapin> does anything else use ICB?
  529. # [23:56] <SimonSapin> abspos/fixedpos ?
  530. # [23:56] <fantasai> abspos does
  531. # [23:56] <fantasai> fixedpos... interesting question
  532. # [23:57] <fantasai> It gets replicated on every page
  533. # [23:57] <fantasai> not sure whether it gets relayedout
  534. # [23:57] <fantasai> would kinda make sense to do that
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  536. # [23:58] <SimonSapin> anything else?
  537. # Session Close: Fri Feb 22 00:00:00 2013

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