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  11. # [01:57] * fantasai needs to make the announcement template more obnoxious somehow
  12. # [02:01] * fantasai puts in lots of exclamation maks
  13. # [02:01] <fantasai> http://wiki.csswg.org/spec/publish?&#template-for-wd-announcement-to-www-style
  14. # [02:02] <fantasai> Let's see if that helps...
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  80. # [18:20] <fantasai> Bert: Are we set to publish css-overflow-3 FPWD this week?
  81. # [18:21] <glazou> fantasai, I read earlier today Bert is on vacation...
  82. # [18:21] <glazou> read it in #frenchies
  83. # [18:22] <fantasai> oh!
  84. # [18:22] <fantasai> glazou: thanks!
  85. # [18:23] * fantasai looks up steps for fpwd
  86. # [18:24] <glazou> could have told us
  87. # [18:25] <glazou> fantasai, while you're here… :-)
  88. # [18:25] <glazou> I have a question
  89. # [18:25] <fantasai> glazou: sure, shoot :-)
  90. # [18:26] <glazou> any idea if browser vendors are implementing lists & counters ?
  91. # [18:26] <fantasai> no idea
  92. # [18:26] <glazou> seems almost abandoned
  93. # [18:26] <liam> fantasai, primarily, approval for the shortname
  94. # [18:26] <glazou> editor Hixie & Tantek
  95. # [18:26] <fantasai> uh, what?
  96. # [18:26] <liam> for fpwd
  97. # [18:26] <fantasai> Tab is editing Lists and Counters
  98. # [18:26] <glazou> liam, we need you on call to discuss your line breaking proposal
  99. # [18:27] <liam> glazou, ok, on Wednesday?
  100. # [18:27] <fantasai> glazou: Did you mean Generated Content?
  101. # [18:27] <glazou> fantasai, wait, was looking at old WD
  102. # [18:27] <fantasai> Counter Styles is almost ready for LC
  103. # [18:27] <fantasai> Lists still needs work
  104. # [18:27] <fantasai> I think browsers would be interested in ::marker
  105. # [18:27] <fantasai> it's very very useful for e.g. colored list markers
  106. # [18:27] * glazou too
  107. # [18:28] <glazou> but nobody implements ::marker yet...
  108. # [18:28] <fantasai> But the layout model for markers is currently exceptionally underdefined :P
  109. # [18:28] <glazou> very painful for my work
  110. # [18:28] <glazou> fantasai, can't beat GCPM ;-)
  111. # [18:28] <fantasai> LOL
  112. # [18:28] <fantasai> ok, fair point :p
  113. # [18:28] <fantasai> But, Tab's written stuff up
  114. # [18:28] <fantasai> and nobody's reviewed it
  115. # [18:28] <fantasai> to see if it's sane
  116. # [18:28] <fantasai> matches 2.1
  117. # [18:28] <fantasai> matches implementations
  118. # [18:28] <fantasai> etc.
  119. # [18:28] <glazou> I did, lots of good things in there
  120. # [18:29] <fantasai> Yes, feature-wise this is true :)
  121. # [18:29] <glazou> not a garbage collection
  122. # [18:29] <fantasai> but it needs someone like dbaron to look it over
  123. # [18:29] <glazou> it also needs implems
  124. # [18:29] <fantasai> or someone else who is intimately familiar with marker implementations
  125. # [18:30] <glazou> lists are really the last only thing we're totally unable to manipulate correctly
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  127. # [18:30] <glazou> s/last only/last
  128. # [18:30] <fantasai> We might consider describing ::marker and the list-item counter, and having ::marker accept only color/text/font properties
  129. # [18:30] <SimonSapin> WeasyPrint uses counter styles algorithms internally, although not the syntax yet
  130. # [18:30] <fantasai> and leave layout details to L4
  131. # [18:30] <glazou> I'm currently writing a DOCX viewer/importer into HTML5
  132. # [18:31] <glazou> works fine except for lists because of lack of ::marker in gecko
  133. # [18:31] <SimonSapin> I plan on refactoring list items to use ::marker with abspos rather than custom layout code
  134. # [18:31] <fantasai> SimonSapin: interesting
  135. # [18:32] <Ms2ger> SimonSapin, and once you've got it in your head, implement it in Gecko too? ;)
  136. # [18:32] <SimonSapin> custom layout code dating from when we had lists but no abspos :)
  137. # [18:32] <SimonSapin> Ms2ger: and Servo too ;)
  138. # [18:32] <SimonSapin> Ms2ger: but seriously, maybe
  139. # [18:32] <glazou> you heard I know the name of the future layer above Servo ?
  140. # [18:32] <Ms2ger> Glazo?
  141. # [18:32] <glazou> Cortex :-D
  142. # [18:33] <glazou> and SimonSapin is not allowed to call the controller Hipothalamus
  143. # [18:33] <glazou> ;-)
  144. # [18:36] <SimonSapin> By the way, darobin was looking for non-Mozilla people interested in working on Servo. Apparently Samsung is recruiting.
  145. # [18:36] <glazou> Samsung will be nuked by north korea by the end of the week ;-)
  146. # [18:36] <Ms2ger> Sounds like glazou has inside information ;)
  147. # [18:37] * glazou looks at Kim Jung-Un looking himself at things
  148. # [18:38] <glazou> anyone applying at Microsoft in the Office division should first browse the OOXML spec
  149. # [18:38] <glazou> would make HR lives cooler
  150. # [18:38] <glazou> no more candidates
  151. # [18:39] <fantasai> :P
  152. # [18:40] <fantasai> They interviewed me for the Office division at one point. Markus and I were confused why HR decided that was the right place.
  153. # [18:40] <fantasai> I failed the interviews.
  154. # [18:40] * fantasai failed all the interviews ever
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  156. # [18:40] <fantasai> I have never once passed a job interview...
  157. # [18:40] <glazou> for me that's a bit different
  158. # [18:40] <glazou> MSFT HR failed the interview with me :-D
  159. # [18:41] <fantasai> :D
  160. # [18:41] <glazou> I'm serious
  161. # [18:41] <glazou> they totally messed up
  162. # [18:41] <glazou> tried to make me live in france under US law
  163. # [18:41] <fantasai> I know, you told me about that :P
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  165. # [18:42] <glazou> yeah, old story now
  166. # [18:42] <SimonSapin> glazou: that’s … weird
  167. # [18:42] <glazou> no more NDA:-)
  168. # [18:42] <glazou> SimonSapin, yep
  169. # [18:42] * SimonSapin checks…
  170. # [18:44] * glazou notes that we have Futures on week n, and Font Loading based on Futures on week n+1 ; I quietly wait for the day we'll use a feature even before it's proposed
  171. # [18:44] * glazou wonders if it's a brain cystitis :-D
  172. # [18:45] <SimonSapin> "shall be governed by the laws en England." sounds reasonable for living and working in London.
  173. # [18:45] <Ms2ger> "en"?
  174. # [18:45] <glazou> Buckingham's slang
  175. # [18:45] <glazou> Honnit soit qui mal y pense and all that sort of things
  176. # [18:45] <glazou> ;-)
  177. # [18:46] * fantasai thought it was a leftover untranslated bit from the original French
  178. # [18:46] <SimonSapin> s/en/of/
  179. # [18:46] <glazou> time to buy some dinner here
  180. # [18:46] <glazou> bye people
  181. # [18:46] <fantasai> bye~
  182. # [18:46] <Ms2ger> Bon appetit
  183. # [18:46] <Ms2ger> é*
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  185. # [18:46] <SimonSapin> It’s only mild keyboard dyslexia ;)
  186. # [18:47] <Ms2ger> Or not?
  187. # [18:47] <SimonSapin> sometimes I’m using Mercurial, I think H. G., and my fingers type git
  188. # [18:47] <SimonSapin> or the reverse
  189. # [18:50] <Ms2ger> The reverse happens regularly to me
  190. # [18:51] <liam> honit soit la vache qui rit?
  191. # [18:51] <liam> oh, glazou left
  192. # [18:51] <Ms2ger> liam, into cheese?
  193. # [18:52] <liam> Ms2ger, why? :-)
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  195. # [18:52] <Ms2ger> http://www.lavachequirit.com/images/home/la-vache-qui-rit.png
  196. # [18:52] <liam> oh right
  197. # [18:53] <liam> i first encountered it in a book - now online (legally? dunno) at http://boredoftherings.150m.com/bored_five.html
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