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  1. # Session Start: Fri Apr 26 00:00:00 2013
  2. # Session Ident: #css
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  4. # [00:03] <fantasai> TabAtkins: Three answers for auto-position abspos
  5. # [00:03] <fantasai> TabAtkins: 1.) Take entire grid container, position appropriately
  6. # [00:04] <fantasai> TabAtkins: 2.) Take default cell, use that as containing block
  7. # [00:04] <fantasai> TabAtkins: 3.) Flexbox behavior, auto-position and try to position it there.
  8. # [00:04] <fantasai> fantasai: Does anyone implement the Flexbox behavior?
  9. # [00:04] <fantasai> TabAtkins: I'm not really wanting to copy the flexbox behavior.
  10. # [00:05] <fantasai> fantasai: If nobody implements it, and nobody likes copying it over to grid, then maybe we should pick something sensible for grid and copy that back over to Flexbox
  11. # [00:05] <fantasai> Rossen: I want to have a sit-down with Phil Cupp on this.
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  14. # [00:08] <fantasai> Subgrids
  15. # [00:08] <fantasai> Rossen: Complications with implicit track creation
  16. # [00:09] <fantasai> Rossen: Discussed with Phil, once you overshoot your grid and into your parent grid
  17. # [00:09] <fantasai> Rossen: You would start defining implicit tracks in that parent grid.
  18. # [00:09] <fantasai> Rossen: Basically becomes same as if this were 1st-level grid item
  19. # [00:09] <fantasai> Rossen: only the grid item comes from somewhere deeper
  20. # [00:09] <fantasai> TabAtkins: Interesting answer to what happens when your grid gets implicitly grown.
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  22. # [00:10] <fantasai> fantasai: Related question is, does the subgrid element grow to fit the items it contains.
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  24. # [00:10] <fantasai> Rossen: Did talk about this
  25. # [00:11] <fantasai> Rossen: conclusion we came to was that once an item breaks out of the current grid and goes to an upper level, they should play there
  26. # [00:11] <fantasai> Rossen: Otherwise you come down to some nasty recursive problems where you would grow your parent grid
  27. # [00:11] <fantasai> Rossen: sorry, immediate grid
  28. # [00:11] <fantasai> Rossen: but then now the new size that this grid item produced will then potentially push the new item that breaks out will push it even further
  29. # [00:11] <fantasai> Rossen: Might end up chasing it indefinitely
  30. # [00:12] <fantasai> Rossen: simply because position of item and its size still depends on the original container
  31. # [00:12] <fantasai> Rossen: even though by defining a grid row or column outside it, you're implicitly saying, want to go outside this grid item.
  32. # [00:12] <fantasai> Rossen: Going to create more problems than necessary for arguably no benefit
  33. # [00:12] <fantasai> TabAtkins: Not sure I understand, and would like an example
  34. # [00:13] <fantasai> TabAtkins: Use case for this, have auto-sized subgrid element containing auto-positioned grid items. Want it to grow to fit all its children and take up that many slots in the parent grid.
  35. # [00:13] <fantasai> Rossen: Speaking from memory, have to sit down and work it
  36. # [00:14] <fantasai> ACTION Rossen: figure out example of subgrid growing pains
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  38. # [00:14] * RRSAgent records action 3
  39. # [00:14] <trackbot> Created ACTION-558 - Figure out example of subgrid growing pains [on Rossen Atanassov - due 2013-05-02].
  40. # [00:14] <fantasai> ACTION Tab and fantasai: create concrete proposal for subgrids (resolve issues one way or another and come up with algorithm for size/positioning thme)
  41. # [00:14] * trackbot is creating a new ACTION.
  42. # [00:14] <trackbot> Created ACTION-559 - And fantasai: create concrete proposal for subgrids (resolve issues one way or another and come up with algorithm for size/positioning thme) [on Tab Atkins Jr. - due 2013-05-02].
  43. # [00:15] <fantasai> Discuss changes section
  44. # [00:18] <fantasai> Discussing next editor's conference scheduling
  45. # [00:20] * fantasai will be travelling 17 May to 18 June
  46. # [00:22] <Zakim> -Rossen
  47. # [00:22] <Zakim> -fantasai
  48. # [00:22] <Zakim> -TabAtkins_
  49. # [00:22] <Zakim> Team_(css)21:11Z has ended
  50. # [00:22] <Zakim> Attendees were fantasai, Rossen, TabAtkins_
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  133. # [17:03] <SimonSapin> when did the Tokyo F2F change hosts? http://wiki.csswg.org/planning/tokyo-2013 says Google Japan, it was Mozilla not long ago
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  136. # [17:18] <krit> SimonSapin: recently
  137. # [17:20] <SimonSapin> krit: I just found out on the wiki, don’t remember it mentioned in a conf call or mailing list
  138. # [17:21] <krit> SimonSapin: I am sure it will be announced at the next meeting. In the SVG WG we just heard yesterday about it
  139. # [17:21] <SimonSapin> I’ll bring it up on the list
  140. # [17:24] <krit> SimonSapin: who wrote all the scripts to generate the CSSOM spec?
  141. # [17:24] <SimonSapin> krit: no idea. If the script is in the repo, does hg blame help?
  142. # [17:24] <Ms2ger> glenn did
  143. # [17:25] <krit> Ms2ger: aha, ok
  144. # [17:25] <krit> I wonder if a common script like respec wouldn't have been enough :)
  145. # [17:26] <Ms2ger> Or anolis, like it was using before glenn took over
  146. # [17:27] <Ms2ger> Which has the advantage that it doesn't break down when you use anything more than trivial IDL
  147. # [17:33] <krit> Ms2ger: As long as it is common enough, yes. Web Animation currently has a special version of respec.js as well, which isn't very good either.
  148. # [17:34] <krit> (not good, because others could benefit of the changes as well if it would be in the GitHub version)
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  208. # [21:47] <Fusl> hello
  209. # [21:48] <Fusl> could anybody tell me if i can set the background-color of a div as a negative from its parent? e.g. when #a has background-color black, #b background-color should automatically be white
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  212. # [21:56] <Liam> Fusl, I'v no idea :-) I'm not sure this is the best place to ask css questions - this is where the W3C CSS Working Group people hang out, but not so much an active help channel, did you try #css on freenode maybe? Or if you hang around long enough someone might show up with an answer
  213. # [21:56] <Liam> you could do it with a listener, e.g. with jquery, if it's for a Web browser, I suppose
  214. # [21:57] <Fusl> its for a website, yep... but i planned to not use jquery (it should be as minimal as possible)
  215. # [21:57] <Fusl> trying to ask that on freenode, thank you!
  216. # [21:59] <Liam> i don't know how helpful they are there in that channel I admit
  217. # [21:59] <Fusl> there are about 500 users online, there should be at least one person who can help me :D
  218. # [21:59] <Liam> outside of mobile devices, the google cdn jquery is in most browser caches these days :)
  219. # [22:01] <Fusl> yep, but i also saw a time ago, that this jquery hasn't loaded on some of my customers computers and so i decided to host it myself :D
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  222. # [22:07] <Fusl> ok... there is really no one who helps :D
  223. # [22:09] <Liam> does it have to work in ie6?
  224. # [22:09] <Liam> you might be able to use compositing
  225. # [22:10] <Fusl> nope... who is using ie6 today?
  226. # [22:10] <Fusl> it's a community for gamers and so i dont think that there would be users with ie6 ;-)
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  228. # [22:54] <Liam> ah ok
  229. # [22:55] <Liam> in that case compositing might do it, I don't know
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