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  83. # [17:23] <jdaggett> greetings!
  84. # [17:24] <Ms2ger> Isn't it really late or really early for you?
  85. # [17:27] <jdaggett> really late...
  86. # [17:27] <jdaggett> must... keep... eyes... open...
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  90. # [17:52] <plinss> zakim, this will be style
  91. # [17:52] <Zakim> ok, plinss; I see Style_CSS FP()12:00PM scheduled to start in 9 minutes
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  97. # [17:57] <Zakim> Style_CSS FP()12:00PM has now started
  98. # [17:57] <Zakim> +plinss
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  100. # [17:58] <nvdbleek> zakim, code?
  101. # [17:58] <Zakim> the conference code is 78953 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), nvdbleek
  102. # [17:58] <Zakim> +??P13
  103. # [17:59] <jdaggett> zakim, ??p13 is me
  104. # [17:59] <Zakim> +jdaggett; got it
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  106. # [17:59] <Ms2ger> nvdbleek, if you have letters on your buttons, it spells "style"
  107. # [17:59] <Zakim> + +1.610.324.aaaa
  108. # [17:59] <Zakim> +nvdbleek
  109. # [17:59] <dael> zakim, aaaa is me
  110. # [17:59] <Zakim> +dael; got it
  111. # [17:59] <stearns> I'll be listening on the phone but probably only providing input in IRC
  112. # [17:59] <nvdbleek> zakim, mute me
  113. # [18:00] <Zakim> nvdbleek should now be muted
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  116. # [18:00] <Zakim> +glenn
  117. # [18:00] * hober sorry for the late regrets; i'm at the dnt f2f today.
  118. # [18:00] <Zakim> +Stearns
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  120. # [18:00] <Zakim> +??P11
  121. # [18:00] * nvdbleek yes, I always forget the passcode, remembering the number is not a problem, but it seems I can't remember the pass codes for the different calls
  122. # [18:01] <Zakim> + +1.212.318.aabb
  123. # [18:01] <Zakim> + +1.206.675.aacc
  124. # [18:01] <sgalineau> Zakim, aacc is me
  125. # [18:01] <Zakim> +sgalineau; got it
  126. # [18:01] <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
  127. # [18:01] <florian> Zakim, [IPcaller] has me
  128. # [18:01] <Zakim> +florian; got it
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  130. # [18:02] <Zakim> + +44.207.330.aadd
  131. # [18:02] <jerenkrantz> that +44 is likely me
  132. # [18:03] <jdaggett> somebody needs to mute... ;)
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  134. # [18:03] <Zakim> + +1.212.318.aaee
  135. # [18:03] <Zakim> + +1.416.800.aaff
  136. # [18:03] <Zakim> +fantasai
  137. # [18:03] <Zakim> + +93192aagg
  138. # [18:03] <antonp> Zakim, aagg is me
  139. # [18:03] <Zakim> +antonp; got it
  140. # [18:03] <jdovey> Zakim, aaff is me
  141. # [18:03] <Zakim> +jdovey; got it
  142. # [18:03] <plinss> zakim, aadd is jerenkrantz
  143. # [18:03] <Zakim> +jerenkrantz; got it
  144. # [18:03] <jerenkrantz> Zakim, aadd is me
  145. # [18:03] <Zakim> sorry, jerenkrantz, I do not recognize a party named 'aadd'
  146. # [18:03] <Zakim> +smfr
  147. # [18:04] <Zakim> - +1.212.318.aabb
  148. # [18:04] <Zakim> +Lea
  149. # [18:04] <Zakim> + +1.212.318.aahh
  150. # [18:04] * smfr changes topic to 'http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2013May/0178.html'
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  152. # [18:07] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  153. # [18:07] <Rossen> zakim, microsoft is me
  154. # [18:07] <Zakim> +Rossen; got it
  155. # [18:07] <Zakim> +dbaron
  156. # [18:07] <fantasai> ScribeNick: fantasai
  157. # [18:07] <fantasai> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2013May/0178.html
  158. # [18:07] <fantasai> plinss: follow-up from last week, publishing Box Alignment?
  159. # [18:08] * dbaron meant to read it but didn't have a chance
  160. # [18:08] <fantasai> plinss: Did anyone read/review it? Ready to publish?
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  162. # [18:08] <fantasai> jdaggett: FPWD or WD?
  163. # [18:08] <fantasai> plinss: WD
  164. # [18:09] <fantasai> RESOLVED: Publish Box Alignment WD
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  166. # [18:09] <jdaggett> http://wiki.csswg.org/planning/tokyo-2013
  167. # [18:09] <fantasai> jdaggett: Looking for input from WG if need any more logistical info
  168. # [18:10] <fantasai> jdaggett: If you have questions, etc.
  169. # [18:10] <fantasai> Rossen: More explanation of hotels?
  170. # [18:11] <fantasai> ...
  171. # [18:11] <fantasai> fantasai: Google Maps will give walking directions
  172. # [18:12] <jdaggett> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2013May/0153.html
  173. # [18:13] <fantasai> jdaggett: Definition of synthetic oblique doesn't say which way to slant
  174. # [18:13] <fantasai> jdaggett: Particularly in vertical text case, is complicated due to mixed orientation
  175. # [18:13] <fantasai> jdaggett: Multiple possibilities
  176. # [18:13] <jdaggett> http://koji.ec/archives/7
  177. # [18:14] <fantasai> jdaggett: Most significant options are 6 and 8
  178. # [18:14] <fantasai> jdaggett: Most browsers slant towards the right when making synthetic italics
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  180. # [18:14] <fantasai> jdaggett: 8 is what WebKit does, 6 is what IE10 does
  181. # [18:14] * dino zakim, passcode
  182. # [18:14] * Zakim I don't understand 'passcode', dino
  183. # [18:15] * dino zakim, passcode?
  184. # [18:15] * Zakim saw 78953 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org) given for the conference code, dino
  185. # [18:15] <fantasai> jdaggett: There is a tradition of obliquing in Japanese that iscloser to 6, however in case of font-style property, doesn't make sense to try to shoehorn this into obliquing
  186. # [18:15] <Zakim> +[Apple]
  187. # [18:15] <fantasai> jdaggett: Should have property that handles explicit obliquing.
  188. # [18:15] <fantasai> jdaggett: Should handle not just shearing, but rotating glyphs
  189. # [18:16] * dino zakim, [Apple] is me
  190. # [18:16] * Zakim +dino; got it
  191. # [18:16] <fantasai> jdaggett: Koji also brought up Arabic and Hebrew in original email
  192. # [18:16] <fantasai> jdaggett: Very interesting cases, because not clear whether should slant to left or to right
  193. # [18:16] <fantasai> jdaggett: Adobe fonts created both versions in many cases
  194. # [18:16] <fantasai> jdaggett: Not an easy problem to tackle
  195. # [18:16] <fantasai> jdaggett: Would prefer not to tackle things in Fonts spec in current state
  196. # [18:16] <Zakim> + +1.832.797.aaii
  197. # [18:17] <fantasai> jdaggett: I think we should just define what browsers do now, and not try and do what IE behavior is
  198. # [18:17] <fantasai> jdaggett: Because font style is about font selection
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  200. # [18:17] <fantasai> jdaggett: Only case when you get a synthetic oblique is when there's not a real oblique defined
  201. # [18:17] <fantasai> jdaggett: So should try to define behavior that only happens in fallback cas
  202. # [18:17] <fantasai> e
  203. # [18:18] <fantasai> jdaggett: So propose wording to say that synthetic oblique always goes to the right, which is what browsers do today except IE
  204. # [18:18] <fantasai> fantasai: There's a problem here, wish Koji was on the call to explain it better.
  205. # [18:18] <TabAtkins_> zakim, aaii is me
  206. # [18:18] <Zakim> +TabAtkins_; got it
  207. # [18:18] <fantasai> fantasai: Problem is when you have Roman characters that don't have italics
  208. # [18:18] <fantasai> fantasai: And you try to synthesize it with this method, slanting to the right
  209. # [18:19] <fantasai> fantasai: What you get is number 7
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  211. # [18:20] <fantasai> fantasai: When you are slanting rotated text to the right, you are skewing to the right, which creates wiggly text
  212. # [18:20] * tantek is on irc only today.
  213. # [18:20] <stearns> isn't it slanting to the end edge more than the right?
  214. # [18:21] <fantasai> stearns, no, it's slanting to line-left, because in Hebrew we synthesize right slant
  215. # [18:22] <dino> fwiw, we have a bug in WebKit on this that I'm trying to fix. We apply a horizontal skew, no matter what (which we think is wrong). I'm happy for us to decide what the correct result should be.
  216. # [18:22] <fantasai> jdaggett: Synthetic face means you make synthetic glyphs that are slanted to the right, and then typset it.
  217. # [18:22] <stearns> I'm all for describing current browser behavior for this error condition. I don't think we should be spending time trying to make this work precisely correctly, because it's an error to have faux italic in all cases
  218. # [18:22] <dino> q+
  219. # [18:22] * Zakim sees dino on the speaker queue
  220. # [18:23] <fantasai> dino: Have a bug in WebKit on this that publishers complain about
  221. # [18:23] <plinss> ack dino
  222. # [18:23] <fantasai> dino: When we apply skew always in horizontal direction, and get many complaints that this is incorrect
  223. # [18:23] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  224. # [18:23] <fantasai> dino: Our only workaround is to say use a font that doesn't synthesize obliques
  225. # [18:24] <fantasai> dino: But current behavior is wrong
  226. # [18:24] <fantasai> dino: we do 7 at the moment when synthesizing italics
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  228. # [18:25] <fantasai> jdaggett: font-style is one of the properties that determines face selection within a family
  229. # [18:26] <fantasai> jdaggett: The only time that obliquing occurs is when there is no italic face
  230. # [18:26] <fantasai> jdaggett: Already right there have this differentiation that caues problems if publishers want 6 in all cases
  231. # [18:26] <fantasai> dino: Don't understand what they want 6, because changes Japanese text slant
  232. # [18:26] <fantasai> dino: 6 slants Japanese text vertically
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  234. # [18:27] <fantasai> fantasai: which is what word processors do
  235. # [18:27] <fantasai> rossen: We align with word processors in this case
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  237. # [18:27] <fantasai> jdaggett: Think there is an inherent assumption that Japanese fonts and associated Latin glyphs don't have italics
  238. # [18:27] <fantasai> jdaggett: Problem here is that if you have a case where someone specified Arial
  239. # [18:27] <fantasai> jdaggett: They will get Arial with true italics, but Japanese doing something else
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  241. # [18:28] <fantasai> [missed]
  242. # [18:29] <fantasai> jdaggett: Latin will display with Arial italics, Japanese will display with synthesized oblique
  243. # [18:29] <fantasai> [missed]
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  245. # [18:30] <fantasai> dino: Think Japanese publishers want 8
  246. # [18:30] <stearns> heh
  247. # [18:30] <fantasai> dino: Definitely don't want 7
  248. # [18:30] <fantasai> plinss: So specify #8, maybe add controls for obliquing direction in future
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  250. # [18:31] <fantasai> fantasai: I don't agree with that
  251. # [18:31] <fantasai> rossen: I don't agree with that
  252. # [18:31] <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]
  253. # [18:31] <koji> zakim, [ipcaller.a] is me
  254. # [18:31] <Zakim> +koji; got it
  255. # [18:32] <fantasai> fantasai: 8 is not a real option, because it uses true italics. What happens when everything is synthesized? The result is not in this list
  256. # [18:32] <dino> I believe John is saying #8, but where it was synthesized oblique (unlike in the diagram)
  257. # [18:32] <fantasai> dbaron: Why does synthetic obliquing have to happen before rotation?
  258. # [18:33] <fantasai> fantasai brings up case of vert
  259. # [18:34] <fantasai> jdaggett: If you want it to look good, get an italic font.
  260. # [18:34] <fantasai> jdaggett: Italics isn't used in japanese. Obliquing is used, but it's an effect like stroking or outlines
  261. # [18:35] <fantasai> rossen: Last time I was talking to Koji in Tucson, his opinion, when describing differences between 6 and 8, was that the feedback he's getting is half ppl asking for 6 for compat with word processors, other half asking for 8 mainly in EPUB space
  262. # [18:35] <fantasai> rossen: I think this discussion would benefit from having Koji plugged in before we take any decisions
  263. # [18:36] <fantasai> Koji: 6 is not for compat with word processors, but also necessary for ...
  264. # [18:36] <fantasai> Koji: 8 ... 8 also has special requirements, e.g. should not synthesize ...
  265. # [18:37] <fantasai> Koji: patch to limit synthesizing for special characters
  266. # [18:37] <fantasai> Koji: Many issues before you go with 8
  267. # [18:37] <fantasai> jdaggett: If you want complexity, need to spec it out
  268. # [18:37] <fantasai> jdaggett: It's a font selection property, need to look at how that works in context
  269. # [18:38] * dbaron doesn't see why 6 is simpler than 8
  270. # [18:38] <fantasai> fantasai: What Koji is saying is that getting 8 right is complex, whereas getting 6 is straightforward. If we want to avoid complexity, we should go with 6
  271. # [18:39] <fantasai> [...]
  272. # [18:39] <fantasai> Take this offline or to F2F
  273. # [18:39] <fantasai> plinss: If you can come up with something, come to group. Otherwise go to F2F
  274. # [18:39] <fantasai> jdaggett: That holds up LC by a month
  275. # [18:39] <fantasai> plinss: Understood. Work something out over email then.
  276. # [18:40] * sgalineau not sure what 'word processors' really means. are there several independent WPs in Japan that do agree or do we mean Word and things that copy it?
  277. # [18:40] <fantasai> dino: If helps any, can get ibooks Japanese team to get feedback
  278. # [18:40] <fantasai> jdaggett: Problem I'm having here is that we need to specify something, and need to specify it in terms of font style
  279. # [18:40] <fantasai> dino: The whole mechanism, how does it work
  280. # [18:40] <fantasai> s/dino/jdaggett/
  281. # [18:41] <fantasai> jdaggett: Given existing mechanism, one makes sense other doesn't
  282. # [18:41] <TabAtkins_> I thought we were taking this offline!
  283. # [18:41] <TabAtkins_> >_<
  284. # [18:41] <Rossen> yes, and you're on that line now..
  285. # [18:42] <fantasai> fantasai: Want to make it simple? Say that the regular glyphs are slanted to the right, and there exist vert glyphs for each codepoint that slant down.
  286. # [18:42] * stearns would be OK with specifying a random slant for every glyph, so that people wouldn't use faux italic :)
  287. # [18:42] * fantasai dbaron 8 is more complex because there are additional requirements to make that behavior work for Japanese
  288. # [18:42] <fantasai> jdaggett: We need a concrete proposal
  289. # [18:42] <fantasai> jdaggett: that says how font-style works
  290. # [18:43] <fantasai> koji: If fantasai and I come up with proposal, it's ok?
  291. # [18:43] <fantasai> jdovey: If Koji can put in writing what the exceptions are for Japanese, what problems are with 8, that would make this conversation go a lot more smoothly if we were to defer to next call or email or wherever
  292. # [18:44] <fantasai> jdovey: Getting across what issues are for vertically oriented languages seems to be the real problem right now.
  293. # [18:44] * sgalineau I don't think this word 'offline' means what I thought it did
  294. # [18:44] <fantasai> plinss: Next topic, CSS2.1 issues
  295. # [18:44] * jdovey can derail *any* topic in an instant!
  296. # [18:44] <fantasai> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=15392
  297. # [18:44] <fantasai> fantasai: we had an issue open on the computed value of percentage heights that can't be resolved
  298. # [18:45] <fantasai> fantasai: proposed wording in comment #2
  299. # [18:45] <fantasai> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=15392#c2
  300. # [18:45] <fantasai> fantasai: Do we accept or not?
  301. # [18:46] <Zakim> -??P11
  302. # [18:48] <dbaron> dbaron: fine with me
  303. # [18:48] <fantasai> RESOLVED: Accepted
  304. # [18:49] <fantasai> Discussed table pseudo-stacking contexts -> F2F for diagrammability
  305. # [18:49] <fantasai> Might consider reverting earlier change to table cells
  306. # [18:49] <dbaron> dbaron: But I might be in favor of reverting the previous resolution on tables and leaving things the way they are.
  307. # [18:49] <fantasai> TabAtkins: Want to see if Block-axis logical names proposal makes people happy
  308. # [18:50] <fantasai> TabAtkins: Proposal is to use 'start' and 'end' in both axes, and when necessary to disambiguate, use e.g. 'block-start' / 'inline-start', or 'row-start' / 'column-start'.
  309. # [18:50] <fantasai> TabAtkins: Would also simplify spec text reerring to start/before corner
  310. # [18:51] <fantasai> dbaron: Would existing margin-start/margin-end prefixed implementations become margin-inline-start/ margin-inline-end
  311. # [18:51] <dbaron> fantasai: And that gives you very useful shorthands margin-inline and margin-block
  312. # [18:51] * shezbaig_wk is there a link for this?
  313. # [18:52] <dbaron> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2013Apr/0265.html
  314. # [18:52] <fantasai> plinss: Concern about using as values, being ambiguous
  315. # [18:52] <fantasai> TabAtkins: It is actually one of the best advantages of this proposal
  316. # [18:52] <glenn> q+
  317. # [18:52] * Zakim sees glenn on the speaker queue
  318. # [18:52] <fantasai> TabAtkins: Because some properties (e.g. alignment) don't have to map before=start etc., since property applies to different axes depending on context.
  319. # [18:53] <plinss> ack glenn
  320. # [18:53] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  321. # [18:53] <fantasai> TabAtkins: Just say start, it is correct always
  322. # [18:53] <fantasai> glenn: Only negative in that is that start/end/before/after are used to refer to edges as well
  323. # [18:53] <fantasai> glenn: If you use start-edge and end-edge, it's ambiguous
  324. # [18:53] <fantasai> TabAtkins: If you need to distinguish, use "block-start edge" and "block-end edge"
  325. # [18:54] <fantasai> glenn: Not objecting, just pointing this out
  326. # [18:54] <fantasai> plinss: Just to be clear, it's the spec author choosing whether to use start vs. block-start, not page author
  327. # [18:54] <fantasai> TabAtkins: Yes.
  328. # [18:54] <fantasai> TabAtkins: Brad and Simon noted approval in the thread
  329. # [18:54] <fantasai> plinss: Any objections?
  330. # [18:55] <fantasai> Rossen: No, let's take it. This one actually sounds pretty good.
  331. # [18:55] <fantasai> RESOLVED: Accept start/end proposal for both axes as described in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2013Apr/0265.html
  332. # [18:55] <fantasai> Rossen: No more head/foot!
  333. # [18:55] * sgalineau bikeshed: shrink;
  334. # [18:55] * florian claps slowly
  335. # [18:55] <TabAtkins_> ScribeNick: TabAtkins_
  336. # [18:56] <TabAtkins_> Topic: Text Decoration
  337. # [18:56] <TabAtkins_> fantasai: Issue 15
  338. # [18:56] <fantasai> http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css-text-decor-3/issues-lc-2013#issue-15
  339. # [18:56] <TabAtkins_> fantasai: Question is whether text-shadow color is the color of the ink, or the color of currentcolor.
  340. # [18:56] <Zakim> -jdaggett
  341. # [18:56] <TabAtkins_> fantasai: Moz does one, WK does the other.
  342. # [18:56] <TabAtkins_> fantasai: I don't know if there's a good answer to this.
  343. # [18:56] * plinss lots of typing noise...
  344. # [18:56] <Rossen> Tab, can you mute yourself
  345. # [18:56] <TabAtkins_> fantasai: If using the ink color, then if using a red underline, the underline's shadow will be red, even if the text is blue.
  346. # [18:56] <TabAtkins_> fantasai: Which can bring some interesting effects.
  347. # [18:57] <TabAtkins_> fantasai: But I'm curious about patterned fills.
  348. # [18:57] <TabAtkins_> TabAtkins_: Does that apply to currentcolor stuff too?
  349. # [18:57] <TabAtkins_> fantasai: No, only the ink case.
  350. # [18:57] <TabAtkins_> leaverou_away: If we choose to use currentcolor, is there any way to emulate the behavior of the browses that shadow the ink?
  351. # [18:57] <TabAtkins_> fantasai: No.
  352. # [18:58] <TabAtkins_> leaverou_away: So maybe choose that, since authors can explicitly hook into the currentcolor behavior.
  353. # [18:58] <TabAtkins_> plinss: Does it make sense to allow for hooks in the future to control the color of the shadow?
  354. # [18:58] <TabAtkins_> fantasai: That's enough of an edge case that I don't think we'll get there for 25 years. ^_^
  355. # [18:58] <TabAtkins_> plinss: I think it's odd to have a default that you can't create manually, but I don't feel too strongly.
  356. # [18:59] * leaverou_away is now known as leaverou
  357. # [18:59] <fantasai> oh, man, we just lost jdaggett, and need him for the next issue :(
  358. # [18:59] <TabAtkins_> dbaron: I tend to think the reason to use Gecko, is if people use text-shadow to apply a slight blur to text.
  359. # [18:59] * sgalineau '25 years' being shorthand for 'one GCPM level'
  360. # [19:00] <TabAtkins_> leaverou: I can see shadows beign useful for that - I've done it myself.
  361. # [19:00] <leaverou> s/shadows beign/shadowing the ink being/
  362. # [19:00] <TabAtkins_> plinss: Gecko's behavior is to use the ink color for the shadow?
  363. # [19:00] <TabAtkins_> dbaron: Yes.
  364. # [19:00] <TabAtkins_> plinss: So it makes sense when using the shadow for something that's not actually a shadow.
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  366. # [19:00] <TabAtkins_> plinss: Anyone think it's problematic to implement?
  367. # [19:01] <TabAtkins_> TabAtkins_: No idea, but I'm willing to accept it and see if anyone complains afterwards internally.
  368. # [19:02] <fantasai> http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css-text-decor-3/issues-lc-2013#issue-6
  369. # [19:02] <TabAtkins_> fantasai: Breifly explaining the rset on the list.
  370. # [19:02] <TabAtkins_> fantasai: Issue 6 requires someone with an understadning of font metrics to read through it and comment.
  371. # [19:02] <TabAtkins_> fantasai: jdaggett or someone at Adobe would be helpful - someone with experience in underlining metrics.
  372. # [19:02] <TabAtkins_> fantasai: Related issues: 11, 12, 13
  373. # [19:02] <TabAtkins_> fantasai: What do you consider when you are setting the underline thickness/position?
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  375. # [19:03] <TabAtkins_> fantasai: 12 is about whether we shoudl consider descendents, or just set thickness from the element itself.
  376. # [19:03] <TabAtkins_> fantasai: 13 is the same, but for position.
  377. # [19:03] <TabAtkins_> fantasai: 11 is about, when we do any consideration of descendents, do we do it per-line or across all lines in the element?
  378. # [19:03] <TabAtkins_> fantasai: So that's what's on the table - if you have comments, please take a look at them and we can talk about them later.
  379. # [19:03] <Zakim> -nvdbleek
  380. # [19:04] <Zakim> -glenn
  381. # [19:04] <Zakim> -sgalineau
  382. # [19:04] <Zakim> -smfr
  383. # [19:04] <Zakim> -Rossen
  384. # [19:04] <Zakim> -dael
  385. # [19:04] <Zakim> -jdovey
  386. # [19:04] <Zakim> -dbaron
  387. # [19:04] <Zakim> -Stearns
  388. # [19:04] <Zakim> -dino
  389. # [19:04] <Zakim> -antonp
  390. # [19:04] <Zakim> -jerenkrantz
  391. # [19:04] <Zakim> -koji
  392. # [19:04] <Zakim> -TabAtkins_
  393. # [19:04] <Zakim> - +1.212.318.aahh
  394. # [19:04] <Zakim> -plinss
  395. # [19:04] <Zakim> - +1.212.318.aaee
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  398. # [19:04] <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
  399. # [19:05] <Zakim> -fantasai
  400. # [19:05] <Zakim> -Lea
  401. # [19:05] <Zakim> Style_CSS FP()12:00PM has ended
  402. # [19:05] <Zakim> Attendees were plinss, jdaggett, +1.610.324.aaaa, nvdbleek, dael, glenn, Stearns, +1.212.318.aabb, +1.206.675.aacc, sgalineau, florian, +44.207.330.aadd, +1.212.318.aaee,
  403. # [19:05] <Zakim> ... +1.416.800.aaff, fantasai, +93192aagg, antonp, jdovey, jerenkrantz, smfr, Lea, +1.212.318.aahh, Rossen, dbaron, dino, +1.832.797.aaii, TabAtkins_, [IPcaller], koji
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  408. # [19:09] <TabAtkins_> fantasai: We working together today?
  409. # [19:10] <fantasai> Um
  410. # [19:10] <fantasai> Too late now?
  411. # [19:10] * Parts: smfr (~smfr@public.cloak) (smfr)
  412. # [19:10] <fantasai> Last bus is in 5 minutes
  413. # [19:10] <fantasai> and no way I can catch it. :(
  414. # [19:10] <TabAtkins_> No problem, I was just wondering. I have more Syntax work to do today.
  415. # [19:10] <fantasai> kk
  416. # [19:11] <fantasai> When do you want to co-work next?
  417. # [19:11] * fantasai remembers also that she can't make today anyway
  418. # [19:11] * fantasai has to be downtown today
  419. # [19:11] <TabAtkins_> We can do Thursday, or I'm going to be in the city on Friday, so we can work out of the google office then.
  420. # [19:11] <fantasai> I'm working with Koji on Friday
  421. # [19:12] <fantasai> Could do tomorrow or next week Monday/Wednesday
  422. # [19:12] <TabAtkins_> I can do tomorrow.
  423. # [19:12] <fantasai> Ok...
  424. # [19:12] * fantasai will plan for that then
  425. # [19:12] <TabAtkins_> Next week is fine too.
  426. # [19:12] <TabAtkins_> Whatever works for you. ^_^
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  428. # [19:13] <fantasai> kk
  429. # [19:13] * sgalineau could hug both of you for the start/end resolution
  430. # [19:13] <fantasai> awww~ ^__^
  431. # [19:13] <TabAtkins_> ^^;
  432. # [19:13] * sgalineau might even do it at some f2f. The max-awkward property is born.
  433. # [19:13] <fantasai> lol
  434. # [19:14] * sgalineau #sylvaing { max-awkward: always; }
  435. # [19:14] <fantasai> working on Alignment triggered the idea, because it was the only thing that really made sense there once we thought about it
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  437. # [19:14] <sgalineau> totally. three lines into the email and I was screaming TADA in my office.
  438. # [19:16] <TabAtkins_> fantasai: I'm gonna go ahead and do the grid rename real quick.
  439. # [19:16] <fantasai> kk!
  440. # [19:17] <fantasai> sgalineau: yay!
  441. # [19:18] <sgalineau> grid rename? OMG WE'RE AT LAST CALL
  442. # [19:18] <fantasai> dude, we've been renaming things in grid for the last year
  443. # [19:19] <sgalineau> :) I'd be the first to admit it needed some serious renaming action
  444. # [19:19] <fantasai> lol
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