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  93. # [17:18] <glazou> Zakim, this will be Style
  94. # [17:18] <Zakim> ok, glazou; I see Style_CSS FP()12:00PM scheduled to start in 42 minutes
  95. # [17:18] <glazou> rrsagent, make logs public
  96. # [17:18] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, glazou
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  104. # [17:54] <Zakim> Style_CSS FP()12:00PM has now started
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  108. # [17:54] <krit> Zakim, aaaa is me
  109. # [17:54] <Zakim> +krit; got it
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  113. # [17:56] <glazou> Zakim, ??P4 is me
  114. # [17:56] <Zakim> +glazou; got it
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  124. # [17:58] <jdaggett> zakim, this is aabb
  125. # [17:58] <Zakim> sorry, jdaggett, I do not see a conference named 'aabb' in progress or scheduled at this time
  126. # [17:58] <jdaggett> zakim, aabb is me
  127. # [17:58] <Zakim> +jdaggett; got it
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  130. # [17:58] <jerenkrantz> zakim, +aacc is me
  131. # [17:58] <Zakim> sorry, jerenkrantz, I do not recognize a party named '+aacc'
  132. # [17:59] <jdaggett> oops
  133. # [17:59] <Zakim> +smfr
  134. # [17:59] <jerenkrantz> zakim, aacc is me
  135. # [17:59] <Zakim> +jerenkrantz; got it
  136. # [17:59] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  137. # [17:59] <jdaggett> zakim, +[IPcaller] is me
  138. # [17:59] <Zakim> sorry, jdaggett, I do not recognize a party named '+[IPcaller]'
  139. # [17:59] <Zakim> + +47.23.69.aadd
  140. # [17:59] <smfr> zakim is so stupid
  141. # [17:59] <MaRakow> Zakim, [Microsoft] is me
  142. # [17:59] <Zakim> +MaRakow; got it
  143. # [17:59] <leif> Zakim, aadd is me
  144. # [17:59] <Zakim> +leif; got it
  145. # [17:59] <jdaggett> zakim, IPcaller is me
  146. # [17:59] <Zakim> +jdaggett; got it
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  152. # [18:00] * smfr changes topic to 'http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2013May/0345.html'
  153. # [18:01] <Zakim> +BradK
  154. # [18:01] <Zakim> +jerenkrantz.a
  155. # [18:01] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  156. # [18:02] <Zakim> +fantasai
  157. # [18:02] <JohnJansen> Zakim, Microsoft has JohnJanse
  158. # [18:02] <Zakim> +JohnJanse; got it
  159. # [18:02] <JohnJansen> Zakim, Microsoft has JohnJansen
  160. # [18:02] <Zakim> +JohnJansen; got it
  161. # [18:03] * krit why would google ppl at Google IO
  162. # [18:04] <Zakim> + +44.180.383.aaff
  163. # [18:04] <glazou> Zakim, who is here?
  164. # [18:04] <Zakim> On the phone I see krit, glazou, glenn, plinss, Stearns, jdaggett.a, jdaggett, dael, jerenkrantz, smfr, MaRakow, leif, +1.619.846.aaee, sgalineau, BradK, jerenkrantz.a,
  165. # [18:04] <Zakim> ... [Microsoft], fantasai, +44.180.383.aaff
  166. # [18:04] <Zakim> [Microsoft] has JohnJansen
  167. # [18:04] <Zakim> On IRC I see JohnJansen, koji, BradK, leif, jarek, smfr, Dael, oyvind, MaRakow, dbaron, glenn, jdaggett, jerenkrantz, antonp, RRSAgent, Zakim, glazou, krit, sgalineau, lmclister,
  168. # [18:04] <Zakim> ... shezbaig_wk, teoli, cabanier, krijnh, liam, logbot, gsnedders, fantasai
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  172. # [18:05] <sgalineau> scribenick: sylvaing
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  174. # [18:05] <glazou> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-css-wg/2013AprJun/0161.html
  175. # [18:05] <sgalineau> Topic: css3-fonts publication
  176. # [18:06] <shezbaig_wk> Zakim, aacc also holds shezbaig_wk
  177. # [18:06] <Zakim> sorry, shezbaig_wk, I do not recognize a party named 'aacc'
  178. # [18:06] <sgalineau> jdaggett: I'd like to move to LC. I think we can resolve the italics issue at the f2f
  179. # [18:06] <antonp1> Zakim, who is on the phone
  180. # [18:06] <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the phone', antonp1
  181. # [18:06] <sgalineau> jdaggett: I'd rather discuss LC issues at the f2f a few weeks from now
  182. # [18:06] * tantek is on IRC only today.
  183. # [18:06] <glazou> Zakim, who is on the phone?
  184. # [18:06] <Zakim> On the phone I see krit, glazou, glenn, plinss, Stearns, jdaggett.a, jdaggett, dael, jerenkrantz, smfr, MaRakow, leif, +1.619.846.aaee, sgalineau, BradK, jerenkrantz.a,
  185. # [18:06] <Zakim> ... [Microsoft], fantasai, +44.180.383.aaff, dbaron
  186. # [18:06] <Zakim> [Microsoft] has JohnJansen
  187. # [18:06] <shezbaig_wk> Zakim, jerenkrantz.a is me
  188. # [18:06] <Zakim> +shezbaig_wk; got it
  189. # [18:06] <tantek> Zakim, who is here?
  190. # [18:06] <Zakim> On the phone I see krit, glazou, glenn, plinss, Stearns, jdaggett.a, jdaggett, dael, jerenkrantz, smfr, MaRakow, leif, +1.619.846.aaee, sgalineau, BradK, shezbaig_wk, [Microsoft],
  191. # [18:06] <Zakim> ... fantasai, +44.180.383.aaff, dbaron
  192. # [18:06] <Zakim> [Microsoft] has JohnJansen
  193. # [18:06] <Zakim> On IRC I see tantek, antonp1, rhauck, JohnJansen, koji, BradK, leif, jarek, smfr, Dael, oyvind, MaRakow, dbaron, glenn, jdaggett, jerenkrantz, antonp, RRSAgent, Zakim, glazou,
  194. # [18:06] <Zakim> ... krit, sgalineau, lmclister, shezbaig_wk, teoli, cabanier, krijnh, liam
  195. # [18:07] <glazou> Zakim, aaff is antonp
  196. # [18:07] <Zakim> +antonp; got it
  197. # [18:07] <sgalineau> jdaggett: I responded to text-decoration issues; I am not sure whether Elika wants to resolve this first
  198. # [18:07] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
  199. # [18:07] <antonp1> Zakim, aaff is me
  200. # [18:07] <Zakim> sorry, antonp1, I do not recognize a party named 'aaff'
  201. # [18:07] <sgalineau> fantasai: I am ok to go to LC based on John Hudson's response
  202. # [18:07] <glazou> who just joined from MSFT ?
  203. # [18:07] <sgalineau> fantasai: I think there is an interaction we need to resolve; LC is fine if the italics issue is noted
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  205. # [18:07] <sgalineau> jdaggett: it is noted
  206. # [18:07] <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
  207. # [18:08] <koji> zakim, [ipcaller] is me
  208. # [18:08] <Zakim> +koji; got it
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  213. # [18:09] <sgalineau> RESOLVED: publish LC of css3-fonts (next Thursday)
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  215. # [18:09] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.aa]
  216. # [18:09] <stearns> +1 from me
  217. # [18:09] * Parts: antonp1 (~Thunderbird@public.cloak) (antonp1)
  218. # [18:09] <Rossen> zakim, microsoft has me
  219. # [18:09] <Zakim> +Rossen; got it
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  221. # [18:09] <glazou> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-css-wg/2013AprJun/0171.html
  222. # [18:09] <sgalineau> Topic: splitting Exclusions and Shapes
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  224. # [18:10] <sgalineau> astearns: we discussed this a number of times in the past. they are separate features with separate use-cases; they should advance more quickly if they are not tied to each other
  225. # [18:10] <sgalineau> Rossen: +1
  226. # [18:10] <sgalineau> fantasai: no objection
  227. # [18:10] <glazou> glazou: +1
  228. # [18:10] <sgalineau> glenn: does this involve new editors?
  229. # [18:10] <sgalineau> astearns: no change expected at the moment
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  231. # [18:11] <sgalineau> RESOLVED: split Exclusions and Shapes in separate modules
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  233. # [18:11] <sgalineau> astearns: I will come back next week and ask for WD publications for both
  234. # [18:11] <glazou> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-css-wg/2013AprJun/0177.html
  235. # [18:11] <sgalineau> Topic: CSS Regions WD
  236. # [18:11] <sgalineau> astearns: this is just a WD update; the current one is 9 months old
  237. # [18:12] <sgalineau> glazou: I support this; there have been quite a few changes
  238. # [18:12] <sgalineau> bradk: I did not like the move from @region to a pseudo-element
  239. # [18:12] <sgalineau> bradk: I think this is a big change
  240. # [18:12] <sgalineau> rossen: I would like another week to review this
  241. # [18:13] <sgalineau> astearns: ok, let's do this next week.
  242. # [18:13] <glazou> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2013May/0232.html
  243. # [18:14] <sgalineau> glazou: action on everyone to review Syntax two weeks from now
  244. # [18:14] <glazou> http://www.w3.org/mid/20876.36468.730367.345119@gargle.gargle.HOWL
  245. # [18:14] * fantasai notes that Gecko Layout team has a work week next week
  246. # [18:14] <sgalineau> topic: Multicol
  247. # [18:14] <sgalineau> glazou: should we go back to LC given the latest changes?
  248. # [18:15] <sgalineau> fantasai: it would be good to review these changes in detail, specifically the painting order update
  249. # [18:15] <sgalineau> rossen: I also have a couple of updates; one is the drawing order of rules resolved in Tucson
  250. # [18:15] <sgalineau> rossen: also multicolumn columns creating their own BFC, which we discussed last week
  251. # [18:16] <sgalineau> rossen: so going back to LC seems reasonable
  252. # [18:16] <sgalineau> antonp: I think other issues need addressing; I support LC as well
  253. # [18:16] <sgalineau> fantasai: we should try resolving these before publishing LC
  254. # [18:17] <sgalineau> Topic: CSS Filters WD
  255. # [18:18] <sgalineau> krit: I added feedback to the security section indicating there is pending work; I would like to publish a new WD
  256. # [18:18] <sgalineau> glazou: do not forget to add a change section to your documents
  257. # [18:18] <sgalineau> RESOLVED: publish new WD of CSS Filters
  258. # [18:18] <sgalineau> Topic: CSS Counter Styles
  259. # [18:19] <sgalineau> fantasai: there was a discussion to rename the width descriptor to 'pad'
  260. # [18:19] <sgalineau> fantasai: this is the only issue raised thus far; we would like to resolve this and move to LC
  261. # [18:19] <stearns> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2013May/0037.html
  262. # [18:19] <fantasai> http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css-counter-styles/#counter-style-width
  263. # [18:19] <sgalineau> jdaggett: can we hold this one more week for additional review?
  264. # [18:19] <sgalineau> fantasai: ok
  265. # [18:20] <sgalineau> glazou: objections to the proposed renaming?
  266. # [18:20] <sgalineau> RESOLVED: width descriptor renamed to pad (counter styles)
  267. # [18:21] <sgalineau> Topic: Text Decoration issues
  268. # [18:21] <sgalineau> fantasai: some of these might be better dealt with face-to-face
  269. # [18:21] <fantasai> http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css-text-decor-3/issues-lc-2013#issue-15
  270. # [18:22] <sgalineau> fantasai: we discussed this one last week and did not resolve it
  271. # [18:22] <sgalineau> fantasai: I have no opinion
  272. # [18:22] <sgalineau> glazou: what do browsers do?
  273. # [18:22] <sgalineau> fantasai: they do not interop
  274. # [18:22] <sgalineau> glazou: I do not have an opinion
  275. # [18:23] <sgalineau> dbaron: I have a slight preference for repeating the color of the decoration in the shadow
  276. # [18:23] <sgalineau> RESOLVED: decoration color is reflected in text-shadow
  277. # [18:24] <sgalineau> jdaggett: I think we can defer the super/subscript discussion to next week or the f2f.
  278. # [18:24] <sgalineau> jdaggett: I have no opinion on the other issues on the agenda
  279. # [18:24] <glazou> http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css-text-decor-3/issues-lc-2013#issue-11
  280. # [18:24] <fantasai> http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css-text-decor-3/issues-lc-2013#issue-11
  281. # [18:24] <sgalineau> fantasai: issue 11 is about whether line position should be per-line or across lines
  282. # [18:24] <fantasai> http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/text.html#lining-striking-props
  283. # [18:25] <fantasai> "In determining the position of and thickness of text decoration lines, user agents may consider the font sizes of and dominant baselines of descendants, but must use the same baseline and thickness on each line."
  284. # [18:26] <sgalineau> fantasai: what does it mean 'on each line'? does it mean that the position is the same for all lines, or does one evaluate the position for each line individually?
  285. # [18:26] <sgalineau> fantasai: I think the original intent was to deal with cases where the same line included subscript, superscript, large text etc and we wanted to avoid ransom-style underlining
  286. # [18:27] <sgalineau> dbaron: I think the intent was also to avoid position and thickness to change between lines
  287. # [18:28] <sgalineau> fantasai: if you want a constant position across lines, you ignore all descendants; or you consider them and account for them
  288. # [18:28] <sgalineau> fantasai: if you do the latter then for each decorating box you need to layout all your lines to figure out the consistent position/thickness which could be a perf concern
  289. # [18:28] <sgalineau> fantasai: if there is a perf concern we could scope the averaging to each linebox
  290. # [18:29] <sgalineau> fantasai: or we ignore descendants
  291. # [18:29] <sgalineau> fantasai: but without considering the descendants strikethrough may break
  292. # [18:29] <sgalineau> jdaggett, dbaron: varying underline/decorations between lines does not sound like a good idea for authors
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  294. # [18:30] <sgalineau> dbaron: I think considering descendants is a bad idea. it's not compatible with what browsers do today.
  295. # [18:30] <sgalineau> dbaron: we should leave it as it is
  296. # [18:31] <sgalineau> rossen: I am in favor of keeping this as it is
  297. # [18:31] <sgalineau> fantasai: keeping the spec as it is?
  298. # [18:31] <sgalineau> rossen, dbaron: keep the runtime behavior and update the spec
  299. # [18:31] <sgalineau> fantasai: browsers do different things though
  300. # [18:31] <sgalineau> fantasai: I have a test case where Opera appears to consider descendants...
  301. # [18:32] <fantasai> <p style="text-decoration: underline;"><big style="font-size: 64px">BIG TEXT</big> text <small style="font-size: 4px">small text</small>
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  303. # [18:32] <Rossen> http://jsfiddle.net/4sC2T/
  304. # [18:32] <glazou> or data:text/html,<p style="text-decoration: underline;"><big style="font-size: 64px">BIG TEXT</big> text <small style="font-size: 4px">small text</small>
  305. # [18:32] <fantasai> http://www.w3.org/mid/CAKA+Axm4o1r_LN0Q7v_XM8WQsMNEsdsES2r6K1Lp6rzH=vHC9A@mail.gmail.com
  306. # [18:33] <sgalineau> fantasai: link above is the issue Aryeh raised
  307. # [18:33] <sgalineau> fantasai: …about strikethrough. we discussed this before.
  308. # [18:33] <sgalineau> rossen: our underline behavior follows Word's closely
  309. # [18:34] <sgalineau> fantasai: does this mean you have multiple decoration positions across line?
  310. # [18:34] <sgalineau> rossen: there is averaging in more recent versions
  311. # [18:34] <sgalineau> glazou: should we defer to f2f?
  312. # [18:34] <sgalineau> fantasai: yes
  313. # [18:35] <sgalineau> fantasai: most of the other issues relate to this so let's move on
  314. # [18:35] <glazou> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2013Apr/0538.html
  315. # [18:35] <sgalineau> Topic: Flexbox
  316. # [18:35] <sgalineau> fantasai: also better to push more flexbox issues to f2f; nothing easy
  317. # [18:36] <sgalineau> Topic: calc()
  318. # [18:36] <glazou> https://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/Tracker/issues/327
  319. # [18:36] <sgalineau> glazou: where is calc() allowed?
  320. # [18:36] <sgalineau> glazou: in particular, whether it can be used in a MQ?
  321. # [18:36] <sgalineau> bradk: wouldn't be easier to define where it can't be used?
  322. # [18:37] <sgalineau> fantasai: we should think about all the places where it can be used and consider examples
  323. # [18:38] <sgalineau> glazou: who will do this review? when?
  324. # [18:38] <sgalineau> fantasai: we can talk about media queries now
  325. # [18:38] <sgalineau> dbaron: media queries can't take percentages for width so this limits its value
  326. # [18:39] <sgalineau> dbaron: but I do not object allowing calc with different units
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  328. # [18:39] <sgalineau> glazou: are there use-cases for this? do authors ask for it?
  329. # [18:39] <nvdbleek> zakim, code?
  330. # [18:39] <Zakim> the conference code is 78953 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), nvdbleek
  331. # [18:39] <sgalineau> fantasai: yes I think some people asked for it
  332. # [18:39] <sgalineau> glazou: I never needed it when I used MQ; I can't think of a use-case...
  333. # [18:39] <BradK> That wasn't me that said that, sylvaing
  334. # [18:39] <Zakim> +nvdbleek
  335. # [18:40] <nvdbleek> zakim, mute me
  336. # [18:40] <Zakim> nvdbleek should now be muted
  337. # [18:40] * fantasai thought it was glenn
  338. # [18:40] <stearns> @media screen and (min-width: calc(20em + 6px))
  339. # [18:40] <stearns> from http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2007Nov/0227.html
  340. # [18:41] <sgalineau> glazou: objection to allow calc?
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  342. # [18:41] <sgalineau> RESOLVED: calc() can be used inside media queries
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  344. # [18:42] <glazou> https://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/Tracker/issues/327
  345. # [18:42] <sgalineau> Topic: Grid layout
  346. # [18:42] <Zakim> -jdaggett.a
  347. # [18:42] <glazou> sorry wrong URL : http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2012Aug/0309.html
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  349. # [18:43] <sgalineau> fantasai: we have prose about grid properties computed values; some of them return the used value
  350. # [18:43] <fantasai> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2012Aug/0309.html
  351. # [18:43] <sgalineau> fantasai: so do we want to allow getComputedStyle() to return these used values, or does it return the computed value?
  352. # [18:44] <sgalineau> dbaron: isn't there work around CSSOM in this area? we should look at how this interacts
  353. # [18:44] <sgalineau> fantasai: how does that change our decision?
  354. # [18:44] <Zakim> -antonp
  355. # [18:45] <sgalineau> glenn: the CSSOM uses the term resolved values for getComputedStyle(); in some cases you will get used value, in others computed value e.g. left, top, bottom return used values
  356. # [18:45] <sgalineau> dbaron: I'm fine with the proposed resolution of returning computed values
  357. # [18:45] <glenn> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/csswg/raw-file/tip/cssom/Overview.html#resolved-values
  358. # [18:48] <sgalineau> fantasai: essentially getComputedStyle() returns used value in some cases for legacy reasons; the issue is whether new grid properties could require used value or should be consistent and return computed values for all of them
  359. # [18:48] <sgalineau> rossen: how does this work for tooling? This is the reason we returned used values.
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  361. # [18:48] <glenn> e.g., getComputedStyle().lineHeight always returns used value
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  363. # [18:48] * fantasai has no opinion on these things, and hopes someone else figures out this issue
  364. # [18:49] * BradK is tempted to say something here, just because people think he sounds like Glenn.
  365. # [18:49] <glenn> :)
  366. # [18:49] <sgalineau> rossen: currently some MSFT tools use this, for instance
  367. # [18:50] <sgalineau> dbaron: I think we need to understand what your general strategy should be, especially in light of new APIs. But I agree we do not have a clear resolution for this specific issue
  368. # [18:51] * Rossen - use case to consider for the underline issue above http://jsfiddle.net/4sC2T/1/
  369. # [18:51] <sgalineau> glazou: so this remains an open issue
  370. # [18:51] <glenn> one resolution is to define resolved value line for each property
  371. # [18:51] <sgalineau> Topic: an+b grammar
  372. # [18:51] <sgalineau> glenn, yes but what should it be in this case?
  373. # [18:51] <glenn> sgalineau: no opinion in this specific case
  374. # [18:52] <sgalineau> fantasai: we should not be making changes from the grammar of selectors3
  375. # [18:52] <sgalineau> glazou: I think the current discussion is extending the set of allowed values
  376. # [18:53] <sgalineau> fantasai: right, I want to know why it can't be the same as in 3?
  377. # [18:53] <sgalineau> glazou: everyone should review this item for next week
  378. # [18:53] <sgalineau> glazou: we need to discuss this before it goes in a WD
  379. # [18:53] <sgalineau> glazou: anything else?
  380. # [18:54] <sgalineau> glazou: please add things we deferred for the f2f to the wiki
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  386. # [18:54] <Zakim> -sgalineau
  387. # [18:54] <Zakim> -nvdbleek
  388. # [18:54] <Zakim> -smfr
  389. # [18:54] <Zakim> -BradK
  390. # [18:54] <Zakim> -krit
  391. # [18:54] <Zakim> -leif
  392. # [18:54] <Zakim> -[Microsoft.a]
  393. # [18:54] <Zakim> -glazou
  394. # [18:54] <Zakim> -dbaron
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  400. # [18:54] <Zakim> -koji
  401. # [18:54] <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
  402. # [18:54] <Zakim> -jdaggett
  403. # [18:54] <Zakim> -[Microsoft.aa]
  404. # [18:54] <Zakim> -shezbaig_wk
  405. # [18:54] <Zakim> -MaRakow
  406. # [18:54] <Zakim> -plinss
  407. # [18:54] <Zakim> Style_CSS FP()12:00PM has ended
  408. # [18:54] <Zakim> Attendees were +1.415.832.aaaa, krit, glazou, glenn, plinss, Stearns, +1.415.615.aabb, dael, jdaggett, +1.212.318.aacc, smfr, jerenkrantz, +47.23.69.aadd, MaRakow, leif,
  409. # [18:54] <Zakim> ... +1.619.846.aaee, sgalineau, BradK, fantasai, JohnJanse, JohnJansen, +44.180.383.aaff, dbaron, shezbaig_wk, antonp, [Microsoft], koji, Rossen, nvdbleek
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  414. # [18:55] <hober> Zakim, aaee is me
  415. # [18:55] <Zakim> sorry, hober, I do not recognize a party named 'aaee'
  416. # [18:55] <antonp> aadd was me
  417. # [18:55] <antonp> s/aadd/aaff/
  418. # [18:55] <hober> Zakim, aaee was me
  419. # [18:55] <Zakim> I don't understand 'aaee was me', hober
  420. # [18:55] <antonp> Zakim, get coffee
  421. # [18:55] <Zakim> I don't understand 'get coffee', antonp
  422. # [18:55] <glenn> when last person disconnects, zakim forgets about attendees
  423. # [18:55] <glenn> :(
  424. # [18:56] <glenn> we should have ralph fix that
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  476. # [23:37] <krit> Hi. Can anyone provide me a link to the IRC logs of this channel please?
  477. # [23:38] <hober> krit: http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/css
  478. # [23:39] <krit> thanks hober!
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