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  34. # [06:07] <fantasai> http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/?%3C!DOCTYPE%20html%3E%0A%3Cdiv%20style%3D%22width%3A%20400px%3B%20height%3A%20100px%3B%20border%3A%20double%2050px%3B%20overflow%3A%20scroll%3B%20background%3A%20bottom%20right%20url(http%3A%2F%2Fxanthir.com%2Fpony)%20no-repeat%20local%20border-box%3B%22%3E%0ASome%3Cbr%3E%0ASome%3Cbr%3E%0ASome%3Cbr%3E%0ASome%3Cbr%3E%0ASome%3Cbr%3E%0ASome%3Cbr%3E%0ASome%3Cbr%3E%0ASome%3Cbr%3E%0ASome%3Cbr%3E%0ASome%3Cbr%3E
  35. # [06:07] <liam> tinyurl r us? :-)
  36. # [06:08] <fantasai> heh
  37. # [06:10] <liam> apparently in google's hangout chat you can type /ponies and get... er... ponies
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  114. # [17:55] <plinss> zakim, this will be style
  115. # [17:55] <Zakim> ok, plinss, I see Style_CSS FP()12:00PM already started
  116. # [17:55] <Zakim> +krit
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  122. # [17:57] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  123. # [17:57] <JohnJansen> Zakim, Microsoft has JohnJansen
  124. # [17:57] <Zakim> +JohnJansen; got it
  125. # [17:57] * glazou changes topic to 'http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2013May/0507.html'
  126. # [17:57] <SimonSapin> We didn’t resolve on this, right? http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/Tracker/issues/316
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  129. # [17:59] <Zakim> +??P1
  130. # [18:00] <Zakim> +Stearns
  131. # [18:00] <Zakim> + +1.619.846.aaaa
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  133. # [18:01] <Zakim> +??P39
  134. # [18:01] <glazou> Zakim, ??P39 is me
  135. # [18:01] <Zakim> +glazou; got it
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  141. # [18:02] <sgalineau> Zakim, what's with the @#$ turkish I
  142. # [18:02] <Zakim> I don't understand 'what's with the @#$ turkish I', sgalineau
  143. # [18:03] * leaverou what Turkish?
  144. # [18:03] <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
  145. # [18:03] <antonp> Apologies; I'll be late on the call today; I'm in a meeting that's running late
  146. # [18:03] <fantasai> Zakim, [IPcaller] has fantasai
  147. # [18:03] <Zakim> +fantasai; got it
  148. # [18:03] <fantasai> Zakim, [IPcaller] has SimonSapin
  149. # [18:03] <Zakim> +SimonSapin; got it
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  152. # [18:04] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
  153. # [18:05] <Rossen> zakim, microsoft has me
  154. # [18:05] <Zakim> +Rossen; got it
  155. # [18:05] <Zakim> + +1.714.742.aabb
  156. # [18:05] <Zakim> -shezbaig_wk
  157. # [18:05] <jerenkrantz> Zakim, aabb is me
  158. # [18:05] <Zakim> +jerenkrantz; got it
  159. # [18:05] <TabAtkins> ScribeNick: TabAtkins
  160. # [18:05] <Zakim> +shezbaig_wk
  161. # [18:05] <jerenkrantz> Zakim, mute jerenkrantz
  162. # [18:05] <Zakim> jerenkrantz should now be muted
  163. # [18:05] <glazou> Zakim, who is here?
  164. # [18:05] <Zakim> On the phone I see krit, plinss, [Microsoft], ??P1, Stearns, +1.619.846.aaaa, jdaggett, glazou, SylvaIng, Lea, [IPcaller], TabAtkins_, [Microsoft.a], jerenkrantz (muted),
  165. # [18:06] <Zakim> ... shezbaig_wk
  166. # [18:06] <Zakim> [Microsoft] has Rossen
  167. # [18:06] <Zakim> [IPcaller] has SimonSapin
  168. # [18:06] <Zakim> On IRC I see Rossen, c_palmer, antonp, lmcliste_, JohnJansen, glazou, sgalineau, glenn, Zakim, RRSAgent, rhauck, SimonSapin, jerenkrantz, nvdbleek, krit, teoli, shepazu, plh,
  169. # [18:06] <Zakim> ... darktears, Ms2ger, Bert, logbot, abucur, liam, paul___irish, arronei
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  172. # [18:06] <Zakim> +Bert
  173. # [18:06] <TabAtkins> Topic: Publications
  174. # [18:07] <TabAtkins> plinss: You wanted last call on Counter Styles?
  175. # [18:07] <SimonSapin> Did we resolve on ID selector syntax? http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/Tracker/issues/316
  176. # [18:07] <TabAtkins> TabAtkins: Yes.
  177. # [18:07] <TabAtkins> plinss: Any objections?
  178. # [18:07] <Zakim> +??P73
  179. # [18:07] * plh is running late
  180. # [18:07] <TabAtkins> plh: Anyone need contacting about it?
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  182. # [18:07] <TabAtkins> TabAtkins: I'd to HTML, i18n, and a11y.
  183. # [18:08] <TabAtkins> RESOLVED: Publish Counter Styles as LC, 4-week period, contact HTML, i18n, a11y for feedback.
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  185. # [18:08] <Bert> s/plh:/plinss:/
  186. # [18:08] <TabAtkins> plinss: Next, exclusions and shapes.
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  188. # [18:08] <TabAtkins> stearns: I've split the specs, and want to publish WDs for them.
  189. # [18:08] <TabAtkins> plinss: For Shapes, is that FPWD?
  190. # [18:08] <ChrisL> yes it will be a fpwd
  191. # [18:08] <TabAtkins> stearns: I'm not sure what the process is about splitting.
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  193. # [18:09] <TabAtkins> fantasai: Process-wise it's a FPWD.
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  195. # [18:09] <TabAtkins> plinss: Objections?
  196. # [18:09] <fantasai> stearns, they key point is that a shortname has to be approved :)
  197. # [18:09] <glazou> who is ??P73 ?
  198. # [18:09] <glazou> and ??P1
  199. # [18:09] <TabAtkins> RESOLVED: Publish FPWD of Shapes, updated WD of Exclusions.
  200. # [18:10] <TabAtkins> krit: If we publish a new FPWD, we'll need a new IP review.
  201. # [18:10] <ChrisL> only for anything not already published, I believe
  202. # [18:10] <Bert> (New WD needs domain lead approval, that would be for Shapes. I can take care of that with PLH.)
  203. # [18:10] <glazou> Zakim, who is on the phone?
  204. # [18:10] <Zakim> On the phone I see krit, plinss, [Microsoft], ??P1, Stearns, +1.619.846.aaaa, jdaggett, glazou, SylvaIng, Lea, [IPcaller], TabAtkins_, [Microsoft.a], jerenkrantz (muted),
  205. # [18:10] <Zakim> ... shezbaig_wk, Bert, ??P73
  206. # [18:10] <Zakim> [Microsoft] has Rossen
  207. # [18:10] <Zakim> [IPcaller] has SimonSapin
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  209. # [18:11] <TabAtkins> ChrisL: In the Status of the draft, it's customary to say that it was previously published as XXX and has been split out.
  210. # [18:11] <TabAtkins> ChrisL: So it would be pretty hard for people to exclude anything.
  211. # [18:11] <TabAtkins> plinss: But we still have to go throught he exclusion period?
  212. # [18:11] <TabAtkins> ChrisL: Unfortunately, yes.
  213. # [18:11] <ChrisL> yes
  214. # [18:11] <TabAtkins> plinss: Also, you want a new WD of Regions?
  215. # [18:11] <TabAtkins> stearns: Yes, just a heartbeat draft with latest updates.
  216. # [18:12] <TabAtkins> Rossen: I'm good for another publish.
  217. # [18:12] <glazou> plh: you're on the call?
  218. # [18:12] <TabAtkins> RESOLVED: Publish a new WD of Regions.
  219. # [18:12] * plh not yet
  220. # [18:12] <glazou> k
  221. # [18:12] <TabAtkins> Topic: TPAC extra day
  222. # [18:12] <nvdbleek> zakim, code?
  223. # [18:12] <Zakim> the conference code is 78953 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), nvdbleek
  224. # [18:12] <TabAtkins> plinss: Anyone want an extra day before/after TPAC, like we did last year?
  225. # [18:13] <TabAtkins> Rossen: Would that be Sunday? I'm in favor.
  226. # [18:13] <leaverou> +1 for extra TPAC day
  227. # [18:13] <TabAtkins> plinss: Likely, yes.
  228. # [18:13] <Zakim> -jdaggett
  229. # [18:13] <Zakim> +nvdbleek
  230. # [18:13] <TabAtkins> krit: Also, there's a TTWF on Saturday.
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  232. # [18:14] <TabAtkins> Bert: I may have additional requirements around TPAC. I probably wont' ahve time.
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  234. # [18:14] <TabAtkins> plinss: Okay, so let's do some research and see if we can get meeting space.
  235. # [18:15] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.aa]
  236. # [18:15] <MaRakow> zakim, [Microsoft.aa] is me
  237. # [18:15] <Zakim> +MaRakow; got it
  238. # [18:15] <TabAtkins> Topic: an+b grammar
  239. # [18:15] <fantasai> ScribeNick: fantasai
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  241. # [18:15] <fantasai> TabAtkins: an+b has always been defined handwavy, at best with completely different tokenizer than CSS
  242. # [18:16] <fantasai> TabAtkins: Had to retokenize or do some other magic
  243. # [18:16] <fantasai> TabAtkins: In Syntax, defined it based on CSs tokens
  244. # [18:16] <fantasai> TabAtkins: Change from Selectors 3 is that in case of "+n" or "-n", can have a space between sign and 'n'
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  246. # [18:16] <fantasai> TabAtkins: This is because [...]
  247. # [18:17] <fantasai> TabAtkins: This is unavoidable if we define in terms of [...]
  248. # [18:17] <fantasai> TabAtkins: It's a minor change
  249. # [18:17] * krit who cares about why :P
  250. # [18:17] <SimonSapin> s/"+n" or "-n"//
  251. # [18:17] <fantasai> TabAtkins: dbaron has an objection to it because can't just swap + and minus and be correct
  252. # [18:17] <SimonSapin> s/ or "-n"//
  253. # [18:17] <fantasai> TabAtkins: I think it's a very minor thing. There is no reason to ever write +n
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  255. # [18:17] <fantasai> TabAtkins: Anyone have thoughts about this?
  256. # [18:17] <ChrisL> presumably calc does not affect this
  257. # [18:18] <fantasai> ChrisL: [...?]
  258. # [18:18] <fantasai> ChrisL: Nevermind
  259. # [18:18] <fantasai> dirk asks for a link to discussion
  260. # [18:18] <SimonSapin> www.w3.org/mid/0bgmqpl2196wrcmj2q786i4q.1368261406596@email.android.com
  261. # [18:19] <fantasai> glazou: The only bit I don't get is when you say that it used completely different tokenizer than CSS, because we carefully designed an+b long ago to use units and stuff like that, to be able to go through the tokenizer
  262. # [18:19] <fantasai> TabAtkins: If that was your intent, it got lost.
  263. # [18:19] * sgalineau no one wants a whitespace(an+b) parser directive? really?
  264. # [18:19] <fantasai> TabAkins: [ explained how various things get merged into single tokens]
  265. # [18:19] <fantasai> TabAtkins: Tokenizer as written is Selectors and in CSS2.1, not compatible with CSS tokenization rules
  266. # [18:19] <Zakim> +tantek
  267. # [18:20] * sgalineau thought he understood Syntax. Tab fixed that. Thoroughly.
  268. # [18:20] <Bert> (It *is* compatible. You just have to re-parse it afterwards.)
  269. # [18:20] * TabAtkins sgalineau You didn't undersatnd it, believe me. ^_^
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  274. # [18:21] <fantasai> fantasai: Tab is right, you can tokenize everything that's inside an+b, but you have to retokenize in order to parse it.
  275. # [18:21] <ChrisL> is a+/**/b already allowed?
  276. # [18:21] <fantasai> fantasai: I don't think we should be changing anything right now
  277. # [18:22] <SimonSapin> ChrisL: unclear per Selectors 3
  278. # [18:22] <fantasai> TabAtkins: It's a change that falls out of how it's defined.
  279. # [18:22] <TabAtkins> "+ n" and "- n"
  280. # [18:22] <SimonSapin> Syntax 3 tries to make it more well-defined
  281. # [18:22] <glazou> glazou: we originally wanted whitespaces allowed but did not go that way because of our parsing rules at that time
  282. # [18:22] <fantasai> s/it's defined/I'm defining it/
  283. # [18:23] <fantasai> plinss: your current change allows space after plus, but not after minus?
  284. # [18:24] <fantasai> TabAtkins: Yes, because can't tell the difference in tokenization between "+n" and "+ n" if you're ignoring space tokens
  285. # [18:24] <fantasai> glazou: I don't think it's good to have differences in + and -.
  286. # [18:24] * Rossen + 1
  287. # [18:24] * Zakim wonders where 1 is
  288. # [18:24] <fantasai> glazou: Should allow for both or disallow for both, otherwise it's confusing.
  289. # [18:24] <ChrisL> and that would address dbaron's ojection too
  290. # [18:24] <fantasai> krit: I agree with that.
  291. # [18:24] <ChrisL> s/oj/obj
  292. # [18:24] <SimonSapin> +1 for consistency
  293. # [18:24] * plh zakim, call plh-mobile
  294. # [18:24] * Zakim ok, plh; the call is being made
  295. # [18:24] <Zakim> +Plh
  296. # [18:24] * Bert lol at rossen
  297. # [18:25] <fantasai> TabAtkins: Ok, sounds good to me. we'll wait for dbaron now.
  298. # [18:25] <TabAtkins> ScribeNick: TabAtkins
  299. # [18:25] <TabAtkins> Topic: font-size-adjust
  300. # [18:25] * plh zakim, mute me
  301. # [18:25] * Zakim Plh should now be muted
  302. # [18:26] <TabAtkins> Zakim, who's here?
  303. # [18:26] <Zakim> On the phone I see krit, plinss, [Microsoft], ??P1, Stearns, +1.619.846.aaaa, glazou, SylvaIng, Lea, [IPcaller], TabAtkins_, [Microsoft.a], jerenkrantz (muted), shezbaig_wk, Bert,
  304. # [18:26] <Zakim> ... ??P73, nvdbleek, MaRakow, tantek, Plh (muted)
  305. # [18:26] <Zakim> [Microsoft] has Rossen
  306. # [18:26] <Zakim> [IPcaller] has SimonSapin
  307. # [18:26] <Zakim> On IRC I see cabanier, MaRakow, ChrisL, jerenkrantz, israelh, koji, Rossen, c_palmer, lmcliste_, JohnJansen, glazou, sgalineau, glenn, Zakim, RRSAgent, SimonSapin, nvdbleek, krit,
  308. # [18:26] <Zakim> ... teoli, shepazu, plh, darktears, Ms2ger, Bert, logbot, abucur, liam
  309. # [18:26] <SimonSapin> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2013May/0384.html
  310. # [18:27] <TabAtkins> fantasai: The issue ist hat in CSS3 Fonts, we need to be clear about what the font-relative lengths are computed against.
  311. # [18:27] <fantasai> 'em', 'ex', and 'ch''
  312. # [18:27] <TabAtkins> fantasai: em, ex, ch
  313. # [18:27] <TabAtkins> fantasai: The computed font-size is a lenght, and that's known.
  314. # [18:27] <fantasai> * font-size-adjust
  315. # [18:27] <TabAtkins> fantasai: But there's various things taht can affect the resulting, actually used, font-size.
  316. # [18:27] <TabAtkins> Like font-size-adjust.
  317. # [18:27] <fantasai> * size substitution
  318. # [18:27] <TabAtkins> fantasai: Or size substitution.
  319. # [18:28] <TabAtkins> fantasai: (the spec lets the size be rounded tot he nearest pixel, or the nearest bitmap size)
  320. # [18:28] <TabAtkins> fantasai: So is an em the computed font size, or the font size after you do those adjustments?
  321. # [18:28] <TabAtkins> ChrisL: It seems like it shoudl be as early as possible.
  322. # [18:28] <Zakim> -Plh
  323. # [18:28] <TabAtkins> ChrisL: If you take what's specified and produce a used size, you're having to do the process twice.
  324. # [18:28] * plh zakim, call plh-mobile
  325. # [18:28] * Zakim ok, plh; the call is being made
  326. # [18:28] <Zakim> +Plh
  327. # [18:29] <TabAtkins> TabAtkins: em size can't depend on nearest bitmap size, since that depends on url resolution, and computed values dont' depend on that.
  328. # [18:30] <TabAtkins> fantasai: But ex and ch depend on font values anyway.
  329. # [18:30] <fantasai> s/values/metrics/
  330. # [18:30] <TabAtkins> fantasai: We coudl say that em is a computed value, while ex/ch wait until the font data comes in.
  331. # [18:30] <SimonSapin> +1 for em = computed font-size, ex and ch based on the used font size
  332. # [18:30] <TabAtkins> ChrisL: I think that's consistent with what I said, where it resolves "as early as possible".
  333. # [18:31] <TabAtkins> Bert: Given the use-case for ex, that should be done after font-size-adjust.
  334. # [18:31] <TabAtkins> Rossen: What use-cases are we addressing?
  335. # [18:31] <TabAtkins> fantasai: An em unit is generally used for having margins/padding be some multiple of the font size.
  336. # [18:32] <TabAtkins> fantasai: For ch, if you ahve a monospace font, you want to size something to some fixed number of characters from that font.
  337. # [18:32] <TabAtkins> ChrisL: font-size-adjust tweaks font sizes so that if several fotns are used together, they all have the same "middle height".
  338. # [18:33] <TabAtkins> ChrisL: And it seems reasonable to size things relative to that.
  339. # [18:33] <TabAtkins> fantasai: So I feel pretty strongly that ch should be resolved after font data.
  340. # [18:33] <TabAtkins> fantasai: For em I feel less strongly, but there are questions. What's the line-height if you set it to 1em, and then the size of the font is tweaked?
  341. # [18:34] <TabAtkins> fantasai: Whatever the line-height ends up being, it would be useful to have em be that measurement.
  342. # [18:34] <TabAtkins> fantasai: But I think that relevant people aren't here. That's the overview of the issue.
  343. # [18:34] <Bert> (One use case for ex I found is to make a bar that looks like: xxxxxx Page 7 xxxxxxxxx where the x is actually a solid bar that matches the lowercase letters. I have a photo somewhere...)
  344. # [18:34] <TabAtkins> plinss: I think dbaron sent his regrets next week, so maybe push it to the f2f?
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  346. # [18:35] <TabAtkins> (Bert - another is to use images for non-text glyphs that are meant to be lowercase-letter sized.)
  347. # [18:35] <SimonSapin> http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/Tracker/issues/316
  348. # [18:35] <TabAtkins> SimonSapin: I'd like to talk about the id selector grammar issue.
  349. # [18:36] <TabAtkins> Topic: ID selectors and their grammar.
  350. # [18:36] <TabAtkins> SimonSapin: We have a proposed change to relax the restriction, so id selectors can just be any hash token (no requirement for the value to be an ident).
  351. # [18:36] <TabAtkins> SimonSapin: But there's another argument that we should keep the restriction, to be more consistent with class selectors.
  352. # [18:37] <TabAtkins> fantasai: The counter-argument makes sense to me.
  353. # [18:37] <TabAtkins> fantasai: And we have interop on that behavior, so I'm happy to keep that.
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  355. # [18:38] <TabAtkins> TabAtkins: Removing the restriction simplifies the spec (I don't have to keep around a flag on hash tokens), and it means we can remove the quirk that relaxes the restriction.
  356. # [18:39] <TabAtkins> Bert: Seems dangerous to make the change at this point, since it's so old.
  357. # [18:39] * fantasai waiting for the minutes to catch up
  358. # [18:39] * fantasai it's missing the point about quirk implementations
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  360. # [18:39] <TabAtkins> TabAtkins: It's only dangerous if there are rules that are currently invalid due to having a non-ident hash as an id selector, and which the page depends on being invalid.
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  363. # [18:39] * glazou agrees with change, cool for editors!
  364. # [18:40] <TabAtkins> [something about the quirk not existing in all browsers]
  365. # [18:40] <TabAtkins> plinss: The quirk is not present in FF, Safari/Chrome.
  366. # [18:41] <TabAtkins> ChrisL: HTML *does* allow non-ident IDs.
  367. # [18:41] <Zakim> -tantek
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  369. # [18:43] <SimonSapin> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2013Apr/0190.html "Not if we want to drop the quirk. This quirk is not present in Firefox/Safari/Chrome. That means we can drop it."
  370. # [18:43] <TabAtkins> fantasai: I just don't think that changing this right now is worthwhile, because change is painful for authors.
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  372. # [18:43] <TabAtkins> glazou: Agreed - changing classes to/from ids is common, and if having to change the syntax, that's painful.
  373. # [18:43] <fantasai> fantasai: Given the argument for consistency with class selectors, that we have interop across all implementations right now, and that the quirk can be dropped because it's not implemented across all implementations anyway, I strongly think that we should not make this change.
  374. # [18:44] * ChrisL can see arguments both ways
  375. # [18:44] <glazou> ChrisL, yes
  376. # [18:44] <TabAtkins> RESOLVED: No change for id selector syntax.
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  378. # [18:45] * glazou after jury duty, I could happily rest 15mins more...
  379. # [18:45] <TabAtkins> fantasai: Question about backgrounds.
  380. # [18:45] <fantasai> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2013May/0516.html
  381. # [18:46] <TabAtkins> fantasai: There used to be background-attachment: scroll | fixed
  382. # [18:46] <TabAtkins> fantasai: scroll meant the background scrolled with the content. fixed meant the background didn't scroll with the content.
  383. # [18:46] <TabAtkins> CSS2 added 'overflow', which allowed any element to have a scrollbar.
  384. # [18:47] <TabAtkins> fantasai: The WG decided that 'scroll' should act like 'fixed' for those elements.
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  388. # [18:47] <TabAtkins> fantasai: We added the 'local' value to get back to scrolling.
  389. # [18:48] <TabAtkins> fantasai: So I want to clarify the spec to define the positioning area.
  390. # [18:48] <TabAtkins> fantasai: So it matches the way the canvas background works inside the viewport scroll area.
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  392. # [18:49] <jerenkrantz> Swiss
  393. # [18:49] <glazou> warning, Swiss is sooo on time the plane can leave in advance ;-)
  394. # [18:49] <glazou> no kidding, happened to me
  395. # [18:50] <Zakim> - +1.619.846.aaaa
  396. # [18:50] <TabAtkins> plinss: No further topics, so adjourned.
  397. # [18:50] <sgalineau> howcome could never fly swiss then
  398. # [18:50] <Zakim> -jerenkrantz
  399. # [18:50] <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
  400. # [18:50] <Zakim> -glazou
  401. # [18:50] <Zakim> -nvdbleek
  402. # [18:50] * Quits: JohnJansen (~JohnJansen@public.cloak) ("Page closed")
  403. # [18:50] <Zakim> -[Microsoft.a]
  404. # [18:50] * Quits: jerenkrantz (~jerenkrantz@public.cloak) ("Leaving")
  405. # [18:50] <Zakim> -krit
  406. # [18:50] <Zakim> -SylvaIng
  407. # [18:50] <Zakim> -??P73
  408. # [18:50] <Zakim> -shezbaig_wk
  409. # [18:50] <Zakim> -Plh
  410. # [18:50] <Zakim> -plinss
  411. # [18:50] <Zakim> -Lea
  412. # [18:50] <Zakim> -MaRakow
  413. # [18:50] <Zakim> -TabAtkins_
  414. # [18:50] <Zakim> -Stearns
  415. # [18:50] * Quits: nvdbleek (~nvdbleek@public.cloak) (nvdbleek)
  416. # [18:50] <Zakim> -Bert
  417. # [18:50] * ChrisL howcome used to prefer swiss to go nice - zurich - boston
  418. # [18:50] * Quits: ChrisL (clilley@public.cloak) ("Client combusted")
  419. # [18:51] <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
  420. # [18:51] * sgalineau ChrisL and missed the plane every time due to DST?
  421. # [18:51] <TabAtkins> Oh darn, this isn't for the right dates. Our Paris f2f is still 9-11, right?
  422. # [18:51] <Zakim> -??P1
  423. # [18:51] <sgalineau> no it's 11-13
  424. # [18:51] <Zakim> Style_CSS FP()12:00PM has ended
  425. # [18:51] <Zakim> Attendees were krit, plinss, JohnJansen, Stearns, +1.619.846.aaaa, jdaggett, glazou, shezbaig_wk, SylvaIng, Lea, fantasai, SimonSapin, TabAtkins_, [Microsoft], Rossen,
  426. # [18:51] <Zakim> ... +1.714.742.aabb, jerenkrantz, Bert, nvdbleek, MaRakow, tantek, Plh
  427. # [18:51] <TabAtkins> sgalineau: Oh, yay! I need to update my calendar.
  428. # [18:51] <TabAtkins> Whew.
  429. # [18:52] <sgalineau> we moved it so it aligns with the publishing workshop on the 16-17
  430. # [18:52] <sgalineau> in paris
  431. # [18:52] * sgalineau is a sucker for business class.
  432. # [18:52] <TabAtkins> Yussssss
  433. # [18:53] <TabAtkins> I'm finagling cheap hotels so I can do business on my next three flights.
  434. # [18:53] <sgalineau> airbnb can be pretty cheap
  435. # [18:54] <TabAtkins> Actually, I'm gonna see if I can rent the house that I got last time we were in paris.
  436. # [18:54] <TabAtkins> Because it was *awesome*.
  437. # [18:54] <TabAtkins> And super-cheap when split 7 ways. ^_^
  438. # [18:54] <liam> speaking of which I need to et my act together and advertise the Paris workshop
  439. # [18:54] <fantasai> TabAtkins: you probably want to check where it is wrt the meeting place
  440. # [18:54] <sgalineau> funny i'm not huge on the sharing housing thing on those trips
  441. # [18:54] <fantasai> TabAtkins: It's also nice not to have a long commute ^_^
  442. # [18:54] <TabAtkins> fantasai: It's next to the train, so whatevs.
  443. # [18:55] <TabAtkins> And in a nice dinner area.
  444. # [18:55] <sgalineau> fantasai, the high-order bit is business class :)
  445. # [18:55] <TabAtkins> Also: yes.
  446. # [18:55] <Ms2ger> I thought that was the sign bit
  447. # [18:55] <fantasai> TabAtkins: Yeah, but it can take an hour to get across Paris if you're far apart
  448. # [18:55] <sgalineau> it's both.
  449. # [18:55] <TabAtkins> Ms2ger: It's always positive when you're in business class.
  450. # [18:55] <sgalineau> business class gives you an extra 32 bits for free
  451. # [18:56] <fantasai> TabAtkins: Does this work? http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2013May/0542.html
  452. # [18:56] <TabAtkins> "free"
  453. # [18:56] <sgalineau> you just spend 128 bits to get them
  454. # [18:56] * fantasai lol
  455. # [18:56] <TabAtkins> fantasai: Yes.
  456. # [18:57] <sgalineau> btw Tab, for the September meeting you may want to wait a little. might fall in the AF summer prices which will start soon
  457. # [18:57] <sgalineau> i.e. business class ~$3500 round-trip
  458. # [18:57] <TabAtkins> sgalineau: Oh man, I didn't realize that.
  459. # [18:57] <TabAtkins> I was getting excited over the fare dropping $200
  460. # [18:57] <TabAtkins> I should definitely wait for it to drop another $2k. ^_^
  461. # [18:57] <sgalineau> yeah, many airlines drop business like a brick in the summer and around xmas
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  463. # [18:57] <TabAtkins> Awesome.
  464. # [18:58] <sgalineau> last winter I got enough miles to get a free buiness ticket; we bought my wife's for $3200 and took the A380 from LAX. Was really nice.
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  467. # [18:59] <glazou> can't beat my travel cost from my place to Paris, guys :-)
  468. # [18:59] * Joins: tantek (~tpod@public.cloak)
  469. # [18:59] <TabAtkins> glazou: But I can probably match your cost to Tokyo. ^_^
  470. # [18:59] <sgalineau> glazou, I don't know. If I were you I'd probably do Paris-Dubai-Paris on Emirates business.
  471. # [19:00] <glazou> TabAtkins, this is what I see every morning in front of me going to work http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ch%C3%A2teau_de_Saint-Germain-en-Laye01.jpg
  472. # [19:00] <sgalineau> anyway; can't recall how far into September AF's summer price goes but it's worth waiting.
  473. # [19:00] <TabAtkins> glazou: I've still got better weather. ^_^
  474. # [19:00] <glazou> we get better food :-D
  475. # [19:00] <TabAtkins> glazou: Okay, point.
  476. # [19:00] <glazou> eheh
  477. # [19:00] <Ms2ger> And wine
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  479. # [19:01] <glazou> Ms2ger, well there are _excellent_ wines in california
  480. # [19:01] <sgalineau> google's food is pretty good
  481. # [19:01] <glazou> hey Ms2ger you'll be in brussels for the summit right ?
  482. # [19:01] <TabAtkins> sgalineau: Can't beat free. ^_^
  483. # [19:01] <sgalineau> definitely better than the average french cafeteria!
  484. # [19:01] <Ms2ger> glazou, I think I have to take away your French citizenship for that ;)
  485. # [19:01] <Ms2ger> And yeah, probably
  486. # [19:01] <glazou> cool
  487. # [19:01] <glazou> sgalineau, netscape's cafeteria in paris was _remarkable_
  488. # [19:02] <sgalineau> *was* :)
  489. # [19:02] <glazou> foie gras, lobster, +++
  490. # [19:02] <sgalineau> ah…I was wondering why Netscape folded. Now we know...
  491. # [19:02] <Ms2ger> Mm, that must have been when I was in elementary school
  492. # [19:02] <glazou> Ms2ger, lol
  493. # [19:02] <glazou> 2002
  494. # [19:02] <Ms2ger> Then it was :)
  495. # [19:02] <glazou> ah those babies of the web
  496. # [19:02] <sgalineau> yes, foie gras was probably mandatory back then
  497. # [19:02] <SimonSapin> Bert: can I get access to our CVS repo?
  498. # [19:03] <glazou> were you born when I started marking up content Ms2ger ?
  499. # [19:03] <SimonSapin> (The source of the Fonts spec is there)
  500. # [19:03] <Ms2ger> '91
  501. # [19:03] <glazou> LOL
  502. # [19:03] <Ms2ger> SimonSapin, I suggest moving it into hg instead
  503. # [19:03] <TabAtkins> Wait wait wait, lolwut.
  504. # [19:03] <TabAtkins> Why is the Fonts source still in CVS?
  505. # [19:03] <glazou> time to prepare my tiramisu for the dinner
  506. # [19:04] <glazou> if I can find the mascarpone...
  507. # [19:04] <sgalineau> oh man; i was in the military in 91
  508. # [19:04] <glazou> I was working already
  509. # [19:04] <glazou> ended my studies in sep'91
  510. # [19:05] <Ms2ger> Feel old already? :)
  511. # [19:05] <glazou> well
  512. # [19:05] <glazou> I read a famous guy who once said productivity decreases with age
  513. # [19:05] <glazou> I write more and better code than ever per day so...
  514. # [19:05] <glazou> not really :-D
  515. # [19:06] <glazou> sgalineau, you tried Edge Reflow and its responsive editing bar ?
  516. # [19:06] <SimonSapin> TabAtkins: because jdagget likes to run the preprocessor locally, apparently
  517. # [19:06] <TabAtkins> SimonSapin: He should just switch to mine.
  518. # [19:06] <sgalineau> glazou, yes?
  519. # [19:07] <Ms2ger> SimonSapin, or mine
  520. # [19:07] <glazou> sgalineau, see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=db3FSZnaJjc done in six hours from scratch in BlueGriffon...
  521. # [19:07] <TabAtkins> Ms2ger: Mine's more specialized for the CSSWG. ^_^
  522. # [19:07] <SimonSapin> well, that’s not up to me
  523. # [19:07] * fantasai might have to give up on sleep now, awake + jetlag
  524. # [19:08] <sgalineau> glazou: pretty cool. seen the responsive experiment in brackets?
  525. # [19:08] <glazou> yes
  526. # [19:08] <glazou> very similar to Rf but it's more a preview thing
  527. # [19:09] <sgalineau> well the combo with a good source editor is very nice
  528. # [19:09] <glazou> and I found a few big issues in particular when there are MQ'd rules in over-the-wire sheets
  529. # [19:09] <glazou> yes
  530. # [19:09] <glazou> agreed
  531. # [19:09] <glazou> have a good evening, guys
  532. # [19:10] <sgalineau> you too!
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  561. # [21:58] * Ms2ger wonders if plh has approved the Great Shortname Renaming already
  562. # [21:59] * plh I wasn't asked yet as far as I can tell
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  564. # [22:10] <krit> fantasai: ping
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  566. # [22:17] <plinss> plh: we can talk about it in tokyo...
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  584. # [23:49] <krit> plinss: ping
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  588. # [23:56] <plinss> krit: pong
  589. # [23:57] <krit> plinss: Hi. Is it ok to upload SVG filtes as test files for specification testing instead of HTML files?
  590. # [23:57] <plinss> yes, just be sure to include the proper metadata
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  592. # [23:58] <krit> plinss: The SVG WG came up with encoding the same information as our HTML model, are these meta data included in shepherd?
  593. # [23:58] <krit> plinss: can shepherd get the information from SVG files, which does not have <link> element for instance?
  594. # [23:59] <plinss> yes, there are some small differences form the HTML metadata
  595. # [23:59] <krit> plinss: ok, as long as the model for SVG works, I am absolutely happy :)
  596. # [23:59] <plinss> (looking for the wiki page)
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