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  34. # [09:56] <SimonSapin> fantasai: Can I copy your w3c-css-wg comments to www-style?
  35. # [09:56] <SimonSapin> To respond to the painting area stuff
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  54. # [17:05] <nvdbleek> zakim, code?
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  56. # [17:06] <SimonSapin> nvdbleek, starting in one hour
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  59. # [17:23] * glazou changes topic to 'http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2013Jun/0357.html'
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  62. # [17:23] <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/06/19-css-irc
  63. # [17:23] <glazou> Zakim, this will be Style
  64. # [17:23] <Zakim> ok, glazou; I see Style_CSS FP()12:00PM scheduled to start in 37 minutes
  65. # [17:23] <glazou> RRSAgent, make logs public
  66. # [17:23] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, glazou
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  71. # [17:49] * glazou waits for the power outage that will come with the massive thunderstorm we have right now in Paris...
  72. # [17:49] <glazou> honestly, the worst in ten years
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  76. # [17:54] <Zakim> Style_CSS FP()12:00PM has now started
  77. # [17:55] <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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  79. # [17:55] <florian> Zakim, [IPcaller] has me
  80. # [17:55] <Zakim> +florian; got it
  81. # [17:55] <Zakim> +plinss
  82. # [17:56] <Zakim> + +1.206.675.aaaa
  83. # [17:56] * plh zakim, call plh-mobile
  84. # [17:56] * Zakim ok, plh; the call is being made
  85. # [17:56] <Zakim> +Plh
  86. # [17:56] <sgalineau> Zakim aaaa is me
  87. # [17:56] <sgalineau> Zakim, aaaa is me
  88. # [17:56] <Zakim> +sgalineau; got it
  89. # [17:56] <Zakim> +??P11
  90. # [17:56] <glazou> Zakim, ??P11 is me
  91. # [17:56] <Zakim> +glazou; got it
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  95. # [17:58] <glazou> wow, lights going down, almost power outage
  96. # [17:58] <glazou> if you see me leave the channel, you'll know why
  97. # [17:58] <Zakim> +Stearns
  98. # [17:59] <Zakim> +BradK
  99. # [17:59] <BradK> Driving in about a minute. Won't look at screen.
  100. # [17:59] <Zakim> + +93192aabb
  101. # [17:59] <antonp> Zakim, aabb is me
  102. # [17:59] <Zakim> +antonp; got it
  103. # [17:59] * sgalineau glazou starts another blue griffon compile. st germain is in the dark.
  104. # [17:59] <BradK> Muted too, but listening.
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  106. # [18:00] * glazou sgalineau yep, my array of supercomputers sucks all power in the paris area
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  109. # [18:00] <Zakim> + +1.212.318.aacc
  110. # [18:00] <jerenkrantz_> Zakim: aacc is me
  111. # [18:00] <BradK> I don't see my 650 number
  112. # [18:00] <Zakim> +??P61
  113. # [18:00] * florian glazou: your array of supercomputers is causing a lightning storm in Fontainebleau. Pretty impressive
  114. # [18:00] <antonp> Zakim, aaccis jerenkrantz_
  115. # [18:00] <Zakim> I don't understand 'aaccis jerenkrantz_', antonp
  116. # [18:01] <BradK> Zakim, who is here?
  117. # [18:01] <Zakim> On the phone I see [IPcaller], plinss, sgalineau, Plh, glazou, Stearns, BradK, antonp, +1.212.318.aacc, ??P61
  118. # [18:01] <Zakim> [IPcaller] has florian
  119. # [18:01] <Zakim> On IRC I see SimonSapin, dael, molly, BradK, jerenkrantz_, sgalineau, florian, shezbaig_wk, antonp, dbaron, RRSAgent, Zakim, glazou, cabanier, nvdbleek, zcorpan, darktears, plh,
  120. # [18:01] <Zakim> ... Ms2ger, tobie, arronei_, ed, arno, abucur, cbiesinger, logbot, Liam
  121. # [18:01] <Zakim> + +1.610.324.aadd
  122. # [18:01] <Zakim> +Lea
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  124. # [18:01] <antonp> Zakim, aacc is jerenkrantz_
  125. # [18:01] <Zakim> +jerenkrantz_; got it
  126. # [18:01] <glazou> florian, same here, you can probably hear the thunder in background from my microphone
  127. # [18:01] <Zakim> +??P69
  128. # [18:01] <dael> zakim: aadd is me
  129. # [18:01] <glazou> Zakim, who is noisy?
  130. # [18:01] <antonp> Zakim, aadd is dael
  131. # [18:01] <Zakim> +dael; got it
  132. # [18:01] <Zakim> glazou, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: [IPcaller] (53%), plinss (9%)
  133. # [18:01] <glazou> Zakim, mute [IPcaller]
  134. # [18:01] <Zakim> [IPcaller] should now be muted
  135. # [18:01] * BradK starting to drive now, won't see irc.
  136. # [18:01] <SimonSapin> Zakim: ??P69 is probably me
  137. # [18:01] <SimonSapin> Zakim, ??P69 is me
  138. # [18:01] <Zakim> +SimonSapin; got it
  139. # [18:02] <glazou> Zakim, unmute [IPcaller]
  140. # [18:02] <Zakim> [IPcaller] should no longer be muted
  141. # [18:02] <Zakim> + +47.23.69.aaee
  142. # [18:02] <florian> [IPcaller] is several people, including me, but I was muted on my side
  143. # [18:02] <leif> Zakim, aaee is me
  144. # [18:02] <Zakim> +leif; got it
  145. # [18:02] <leif> done :)
  146. # [18:02] <Zakim> +Molly_Holzschlag
  147. # [18:02] <Zakim> +jerenkrantz_.a
  148. # [18:03] <shezbaig_wk> zakim, +jerenkrantz_.a is me
  149. # [18:03] <Zakim> +dbaron
  150. # [18:03] <Zakim> sorry, shezbaig_wk, I do not recognize a party named '+jerenkrantz_.a'
  151. # [18:03] <Zakim> +Krit
  152. # [18:03] <shezbaig_wk> zakim, jerenkrantz_.a is me
  153. # [18:03] <Zakim> +shezbaig_wk; got it
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  155. # [18:03] <Zakim> +shezbaig_wk.a
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  157. # [18:03] <Zakim> +[Apple]
  158. # [18:03] <hober> Zakim, Apple is me
  159. # [18:03] <Zakim> +hober; got it
  160. # [18:04] * glazou feels there's a alien from the Alien movie on the call
  161. # [18:04] <glazou> Zakim, who is noisy?
  162. # [18:04] * molly sez oy with the noise!
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  164. # [18:04] * sgalineau glazou, it's probably the NSA
  165. # [18:04] <Zakim> glazou, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: [IPcaller] (5%), plinss (5%)
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  167. # [18:04] * plh glazou, it's behind you
  168. # [18:04] <molly> hahaha
  169. # [18:04] <Zakim> -shezbaig_wk.a
  170. # [18:04] <Zakim> +SteveZ
  171. # [18:04] <glazou> plh, well I don't ARRRRRRGLL
  172. # [18:05] <SimonSapin> what’s the status on background-position-x/y?
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  174. # [18:05] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  175. # [18:05] <Rossen> zakim, microsoft is me
  176. # [18:05] <Zakim> +Rossen; got it
  177. # [18:05] <JohnJansen> Zakim, Micrsoft has JohnJansen
  178. # [18:05] <Zakim> sorry, JohnJansen, I do not recognize a party named 'Micrsoft'
  179. # [18:05] <JohnJansen> Zakim, Microsoft has JohnJansen
  180. # [18:05] <Zakim> sorry, JohnJansen, I do not recognize a party named 'Microsoft'
  181. # [18:05] <antonp> ScribeNick: antonp
  182. # [18:05] <Zakim> +shezbaig_wk.a
  183. # [18:05] * glazou yo molly !!!
  184. # [18:06] <sgalineau> Zakim [Microsoft] has JohnJansen
  185. # [18:06] <sgalineau> Zakim, [Microsoft] has JohnJansen
  186. # [18:06] <Zakim> sorry, sgalineau, I do not recognize a party named '[Microsoft]'
  187. # [18:06] <sgalineau> Zakim, you're drunk
  188. # [18:06] <Zakim> I don't understand 'you're drunk', sgalineau
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  190. # [18:06] * glazou LOL @ archeology
  191. # [18:06] <Rossen> zakim, Rossen has JohnJansen
  192. # [18:06] <Zakim> +JohnJansen; got it
  193. # [18:07] * glazou plh if you find a dino, let the TTWF people know
  194. # [18:07] * Rossen lol
  195. # [18:07] <dbaron> is somebody scribing?
  196. # [18:07] <JohnJansen> I guess my phone is angry with Zakim.
  197. # [18:07] <antonp> plh: Chris is sick and Bert is on vacation. So I'm stepping in as publishing rep.
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  199. # [18:07] <antonp> .. I hope tomorrow we will be up to date
  200. # [18:07] * sgalineau whoa Rossen has JohnJansen. Microsoft is turning weird
  201. # [18:07] * JohnJansen turning?
  202. # [18:07] <antonp> .. I don't look at the technical issues, just the administrative ones
  203. # [18:08] * sgalineau JohnJansen. Right. Never mind.
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  205. # [18:08] <antonp> SimonSapin: shortnames - we discussed in Tokyo
  206. # [18:09] <antonp> plh: I think there is an issue in this group about shortnames
  207. # [18:09] <antonp> .. I found inconsistency
  208. # [18:09] <antonp> plinss: Issue about latest version links vs current version links?
  209. # [18:09] <antonp> plh: yes
  210. # [18:10] <krit> zakim, who is on the phone?
  211. # [18:10] <Zakim> On the phone I see [IPcaller], plinss, sgalineau, Plh, glazou, Stearns, BradK, antonp, jerenkrantz_, ??P61, dael, Lea, SimonSapin, leif, Molly_Holzschlag, shezbaig_wk, dbaron,
  212. # [18:10] <Zakim> ... Krit, hober, SteveZ, Rossen, shezbaig_wk.a
  213. # [18:10] <Zakim> [IPcaller] has florian
  214. # [18:10] <Zakim> Rossen has JohnJansen
  215. # [18:10] <antonp> plinss: Also we'll talk about the preprocessor
  216. # [18:10] <antonp> TOPIC: css-text-3 Issues
  217. # [18:10] <antonp> Elika sent regrets, and comments to the list
  218. # [18:10] <c_palmer> Zakim, ??P61 is me
  219. # [18:10] <Zakim> +c_palmer; got it
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  221. # [18:10] <nvdbleek> zakim, code?
  222. # [18:10] <Zakim> the conference code is 78953 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), nvdbleek
  223. # [18:10] <antonp> dbaron: I'd rather wait for Elika I think
  224. # [18:10] <plinss> http://www.w3.org/mid/51C15ECC.2030309@inkedblade.net
  225. # [18:11] <antonp> plinss: OK
  226. # [18:11] <antonp> TOPIC: CSS Ruby Editors
  227. # [18:12] * Quits: tantek (~tantek@public.cloak) (tantek)
  228. # [18:12] <antonp> Elika and Koji would like to take over as editors.
  229. # [18:12] <antonp> glazou: fine
  230. # [18:12] <antonp> RESOLVED: Koji, Elika and Jim as editors
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  232. # [18:12] <antonp> TOPIC: Revive direction focus nav properties
  233. # [18:12] <stearns> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2013Jun/0332.html
  234. # [18:13] * tantek is unable to dial in. :(
  235. # [18:13] <antonp> leif: <summarizes issue>
  236. # [18:13] * plh tantek, what's your symptom?
  237. # [18:13] <JohnJansen> * JohnJansen is not able to dial in either.
  238. # [18:14] <MaRakow> Also can't dial in
  239. # [18:14] <tantek> plh, being told
  240. # [18:14] * TabAtkins Ugh, just woke up. Be in in a few. Feel free to postpone anything I need to be here for until I arrive.
  241. # [18:14] <tantek> The number or code you have dialed is incorrect. Please check the number or code and try again. Message 7. Switch 521.
  242. # [18:14] <tantek> have been trying for past 10 min
  243. # [18:15] * nvdbleek I can't dail in either
  244. # [18:15] * plh I wonder if our bridge is under over capacity
  245. # [18:15] <antonp> ..: tantek was concerned about whether the properties (?nav-up, nav-down, nav-right, and nav-left ?) were implementable/testable
  246. # [18:15] <antonp> ..: we have a test suite to demonstrate they "work"
  247. # [18:15] <antonp> ..: so, we conclude we only want to drop nav-index not those other four
  248. # [18:15] <antonp> ?: Are you ok with adding them to css4?
  249. # [18:15] * plh argh, the bridge is full
  250. # [18:16] * plh all 92 ports are in use
  251. # [18:16] <tantek> Am totally ok adding them to CSS4
  252. # [18:16] * hober antonp: that was me
  253. # [18:16] <antonp> leif: we think they're good to add to css3
  254. # [18:16] <tantek> hence I've put them on the wiki page for CSS4-UI
  255. # [18:16] <molly> I think they're fine wherever they go so long as they go somewhere #a11y
  256. # [18:16] <antonp> s/?:/hober/
  257. # [18:16] <antonp> hober: I'd rather not resolve without the editor on the call
  258. # [18:16] * dbaron can't understand the person talking now
  259. # [18:16] <tantek> http://wiki.csswg.org/spec/css4-ui
  260. # [18:16] * nvdbleek can't get in, giving up, talk to you next week
  261. # [18:16] * leif can't hear anything
  262. # [18:16] <dael> I'll drop the call if would help. I'm non-critial.
  263. # [18:16] <tantek> http://wiki.csswg.org/spec/css4-ui#nav-properties
  264. # [18:17] <SimonSapin> florian: (?) we can’t hear you
  265. # [18:17] * jerenkrantz_ whomever is speaking is garbled
  266. # [18:17] * hober has no idea what florian is saying
  267. # [18:17] * plh please try now
  268. # [18:17] <florian> I'll type it
  269. # [18:17] * antonp can't understand
  270. # [18:17] * plh several ports on zakim have been freed
  271. # [18:17] <Zakim> -dael
  272. # [18:17] <tantek> I'm opposed to putting them in CSS3-UI until there's more work done on the part of those that want them like submitting the test cases for directional nav-properties.
  273. # [18:17] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  274. # [18:18] <MaRakow> Zakim, [Microsoft] is me
  275. # [18:18] <Zakim> +MaRakow; got it
  276. # [18:18] <tantek> If that's done and the download simulator shows it clearly working, I'd strongly consider keeping directional nav-* properties in CSS3-UI but *at risk*.
  277. # [18:18] <antonp> leif: I'm ok with the idea that if we don't do the work then we don't include them in css3-ui
  278. # [18:18] <molly> Tantek: is your concern the type of implementations or lack of them?
  279. # [18:18] <antonp> ..: but I'd like not to make that decision now before we've tried
  280. # [18:19] <antonp> plinss: The props are there but at risk
  281. # [18:19] <tantek> That is, IF we have contributed test cases, AND *ONE* implementation that is easily downloadable/testable, THEN I think it is correct to include them in CSS3-UI but *AT RISK*
  282. # [18:19] <florian> It was argued that these are mainly used outside of the open web. But I don't think that's relevant. If it was in conflict with stuff on the open web, that would be a point, but there is not conflict I know of, and there is nothing in our charter that restricts CSS to open web only. Importantly, if walled garden people are increasingly adopting our technology stack, we try to accomodate them, to limit the risk of them forking into something incompatible
  283. # [18:19] <antonp> ..: so what specifically are you asking for?
  284. # [18:19] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  285. # [18:19] <antonp> leif: The edits haven't happened yet, but they were resolved dropped.
  286. # [18:19] <JohnJansen> Zakim, Microsoft has JohnJansen
  287. # [18:19] <Zakim> +JohnJansen; got it
  288. # [18:19] <antonp> plinss: ok
  289. # [18:20] <tantek> asking for: contribute the test cases per the existing process in CSSWG for contributing test cases
  290. # [18:20] <antonp> hober: regarding test cases, doesn't tantek's objection disappear if you can get simulator,implementation reports, tests our
  291. # [18:20] <antonp> leif: yes
  292. # [18:20] <florian> agree with Sylvain
  293. # [18:20] * hober antonp: that wasn't me
  294. # [18:20] <tantek> http://wiki.csswg.org/test#contributing
  295. # [18:20] <antonp> sylvain(?): I think your request to undo the previous resolution is reasonable; sounds like it was based on incorrect info
  296. # [18:21] <antonp> plinss: I agree
  297. # [18:21] <tantek> The reason I'm skeptical about this is that none of this has happened in the years that directional nav was previously in CR.
  298. # [18:21] <hober> s/hober/?/
  299. # [18:21] <antonp> s/hober/sylvain (earlier)#
  300. # [18:21] * plh tantek, you should be able to dial in now btw if you want
  301. # [18:21] <sgalineau> tantek, it has happened; we didn't know until now that it did
  302. # [18:21] <tantek> It wasn't based on incorrect info, it was based on the info at the time.
  303. # [18:21] <tantek> Now we have newer information
  304. # [18:21] <sgalineau> i didn't say incorrect, i said incomplete
  305. # [18:21] <tantek> We can re-assess once the test cases have been contributed.
  306. # [18:21] <antonp> leif: afaict there's limited functionality, not much "space" to test. Think it's interoperable
  307. # [18:21] <sgalineau> test cases are required to exit CR
  308. # [18:22] <florian> Level 3 at risk sounds good to me
  309. # [18:22] <antonp> plinss: any objections to leaving it as risk (instead of removing)?
  310. # [18:22] <tantek> currently they're slated for removal
  311. # [18:22] <antonp> molly: what does "at risk" actually mean?
  312. # [18:22] <tantek> I'll hold off on those edits if there's a commitment for contributing test cases within a reasonable time frame
  313. # [18:22] <antonp> plinss: We can drop them without regressing from CR to LC
  314. # [18:22] <sgalineau> tantek, yes the are. based on incomplete info.
  315. # [18:22] <florian> "at risk" means "at risk of being dropped or pushed back if there are no implementations"
  316. # [18:23] <tantek> so any such resolution should include a time commitment for contributing the tests
  317. # [18:23] <tantek> retrying zakim
  318. # [18:23] <Zakim> +Tantek
  319. # [18:23] <antonp> plinss: acknowledge tantek's request
  320. # [18:24] <florian> There are already 2 implementations, as Leif said: presto and webkit
  321. # [18:24] <antonp> tantek: If we're able to get even one implementation and see it working then that's good enough for leaving "at risk".
  322. # [18:24] * shezbaig_wk wonders how nav properites work in dynamic layouts like flexbox where things can move around?
  323. # [18:25] <antonp> plinss: was the webkit implementation done by opera as well
  324. # [18:25] <antonp> leif: probably not, but I'll get that confirms
  325. # [18:25] <antonp> s/confirms/confirmed/
  326. # [18:25] <antonp> plinss: I'm not hearing any objections to leaving them in "as risk"
  327. # [18:26] <antonp> tantek: I'd like a time commitment for submitting tests
  328. # [18:26] <antonp> plinss: well, that's the rec track right?
  329. # [18:26] <antonp> tantek: I'd like to pick a timeframe. I'm willing to be patient, but would like to hear a commitment
  330. # [18:26] <antonp> leif: I think we can do that within a month
  331. # [18:27] <antonp> tantek: OK let's wait a month. Then if no tests etc we'll drop them
  332. # [18:27] <antonp> RESOLUTION: leave these features at risk in level 3
  333. # [18:27] <antonp> ACTION leif to submit tests etc
  334. # [18:27] * trackbot is creating a new ACTION.
  335. # [18:27] <trackbot> Created ACTION-565 - Submit tests etc [on Leif Arne Storset - due 2013-06-26].
  336. # [18:28] <florian> My mike doesn't work, so I'll type it. We resolved to make "not", "or", "and", and "only" invalid (rather than unknown) media types. I made the change in MQ level 4 and posted a few tests: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2013Jun/0270.html
  337. # [18:28] <florian> This looks like something that should cause an errata for MQ3, but I want the group's confirmation, and I don't know the process
  338. # [18:28] <SimonSapin> s/RESOLUTION: /RESOLVED: /
  339. # [18:28] <antonp> TOPIC: Errating MQ3
  340. # [18:28] <antonp> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2013Jun/0270.html
  341. # [18:28] * molly leif - let me know if I can help with any tests, for the nav work
  342. # [18:28] <antonp> SimonSapin: Goes back to Tokyo discussion
  343. # [18:29] * glazou cannot hear florian at all
  344. # [18:29] * dbaron agrees with SimonSapin and can't hear Florian
  345. # [18:29] <tantek> zakim, who is making noise
  346. # [18:29] <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is making noise', tantek
  347. # [18:29] <tantek> zakim, mute tantek
  348. # [18:29] <Zakim> Tantek should now be muted
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  350. # [18:29] <SimonSapin> florian: we should errata level 3 if we agree on the changes
  351. # [18:29] <antonp> glazou: I think we should do the changes
  352. # [18:29] <florian> I'd like the group to tell me if the change I put in level 4 is fine, and if yes, someone explain the process
  353. # [18:30] <florian> that's the only errata
  354. # [18:30] * molly thinks that's the NSA bot zooming by
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  356. # [18:30] <antonp> plinss: we probably don't have any errata yet for mq3?
  357. # [18:30] <florian> is there?
  358. # [18:30] <dbaron> http://www.w3.org/Style/2012/REC-mediaqueries-20120619-errata.html
  359. # [18:30] <antonp> dbaron: There's an erratum in the errata doc
  360. # [18:30] <florian> thanks for reminding me of the other errata
  361. # [18:31] <antonp> plh: Just tell me what I need to put there, and I'll put it
  362. # [18:31] <antonp> ..: the doc isn't normative until it's folded into a new edition
  363. # [18:31] <antonp> plinss: you mean an ED of the spec?
  364. # [18:31] <antonp> plh: correct
  365. # [18:31] <SimonSapin> the spec header says that errata are normative …
  366. # [18:31] <plh> s/ED/PER/
  367. # [18:31] <florian> I don't think there is a rush
  368. # [18:32] <florian> but I'd like implementers' opinion
  369. # [18:32] <antonp> plh: so do we fold into level 3? Or wait until level 4
  370. # [18:32] <plh> btw florian, your tests don't pass on IE10 either
  371. # [18:32] <florian> +1 to dbaron
  372. # [18:32] <florian> I'll try and remember
  373. # [18:32] <glazou> +1
  374. # [18:32] <antonp> dbaron: I'm inclined to say, stick it in the errata and wait to see if any other errata crop up in the next 6 months
  375. # [18:32] <dbaron> dbaron: And then hopefully we'll remember to come back in 6 months.
  376. # [18:33] <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
  377. # [18:33] <antonp> plinss: so we'll add it to the errata. Who will take that action?
  378. # [18:33] <florian> I've written if for level 4
  379. # [18:33] <florian> I think the same phrasing applies to level 3
  380. # [18:33] <florian> I'd like feedback
  381. # [18:33] <antonp> plh: I'm happy to add it - but someone needs to send the text
  382. # [18:33] <antonp> ACTION florian to send relevant prose to plh
  383. # [18:33] * trackbot is creating a new ACTION.
  384. # [18:33] <trackbot> Created ACTION-566 - Send relevant prose to plh [on Florian Rivoal - due 2013-06-26].
  385. # [18:33] <tantek> leif, florian, I couldn't find the URL to the Webkit-simulator with nav-* properties
  386. # [18:33] <tantek> could you provide URL to email or just the simulator directly?
  387. # [18:34] <antonp> SimonSapin: I'd like to go back to how we do changes
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  389. # [18:34] * glazou plh we never deprecate anything, we have levels not versions ahem :-)
  390. # [18:34] <antonp> ..: Does a level 4 completely replace level 3? Or do we need to fix level 3?
  391. # [18:34] <Zakim> -BradK
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  394. # [18:34] <antonp> ...: when level 4 becomes a REC
  395. # [18:34] <antonp> ?
  396. # [18:35] <antonp> plh: I don't remember what we do to the level 3 spec in that case. Add a note to readers?
  397. # [18:35] <florian> we don't have any level 4 rec yet, do we?
  398. # [18:35] <Zakim> +BradK
  399. # [18:35] <antonp> plinss: we don't have many level 4 yet
  400. # [18:35] <antonp> TOPIC: Extend !important to !<anything>*
  401. # [18:35] * molly says that just sounds so wrong
  402. # [18:35] <antonp> SimonSapin: <summarizes issue>
  403. # [18:35] <antonp> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2013Jun/0268.html
  404. # [18:35] * leif tantek: It's http://www.smarttv-alliance.org/Markets/Developers.aspx
  405. # [18:36] * leif (warning: 1 GB download)
  406. # [18:36] * glazou is quietly waiting for the !not-important proposal :-D
  407. # [18:36] <antonp> hober (?): I don't think we should do this until we actually have a module which requires it
  408. # [18:37] * hober yup, that was me :)
  409. # [18:37] <florian> There were two parts proposed about it, one about forward compatibility, one about an actual used of the ! for new stuff. I am ok with the first stuff, I think the later is interesting but premature
  410. # [18:37] <antonp> molly: I'm really concerned about this. There's already misuse and understanding due to the existing syntax choice
  411. # [18:38] <dbaron> dbaron (after hober): I think we want to make the values of variables general now.
  412. # [18:38] <antonp> hober: until we have a concrete ident-after-! it would be premature to generalize the syntax
  413. # [18:39] <antonp> SimonSapin: but we need to think about compat
  414. # [18:39] <antonp> .. <explains>
  415. # [18:39] <antonp> plinss: Didn't we already resolve as invalid, variables with !important?
  416. # [18:40] <antonp> SimonSapin: <replies>
  417. # [18:40] <SimonSapin> SimonSapin: we want new stuff to be invalid in older UAs
  418. # [18:41] * dbaron is probably misunderstanding the proposal and not being useful
  419. # [18:41] <SteveZ> Doesn't this also simplify parsing of the variable value?
  420. # [18:41] <SimonSapin> dbaron: I want var-foo: red !type(color); to be invalid rather than have the value be "red !type(color)"
  421. # [18:42] <SimonSapin> s/dbaron:/dbaron,/
  422. # [18:42] <tantek> +1 to Molly's and Hober's objections/concerns.
  423. # [18:42] <antonp> hober: I don't see why we need to generalize this so early, but I'm not going to formally object or whatever
  424. # [18:43] <dbaron> hober: we can just disallow ! in variables other than !important so that we can extend it later, without extending it now
  425. # [18:43] <florian> I approve of the proposal
  426. # [18:43] <dbaron> SimonSapin: That's exactly my proposal.
  427. # [18:43] <antonp> glazou: looking at the example, I agree with the proposal
  428. # [18:43] <SteveZ> +1 for Simon's proposal
  429. # [18:44] <c_palmer> as long as !important is still valid for a variable, I'm for it
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  431. # [18:44] <antonp> plinss: any objections to the proposal?
  432. # [18:44] <glazou> yay SimonSapin
  433. # [18:44] <antonp> RESOLVED: proposal accepted
  434. # [18:45] <SimonSapin> RESOLVED: top-level ! is invalid in Custom Properties
  435. # [18:45] <SimonSapin> … allowing for future extensions with similar syntax to !important
  436. # [18:46] <glazou> ScribeNick: molly
  437. # [18:46] <stearns> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2013Jun/0245.html
  438. # [18:46] <Zakim> -antonp
  439. # [18:46] <molly> Topic: Paint order
  440. # [18:47] <molly> Alan: Describes issue
  441. # [18:47] <glazou> Zakim, mute me
  442. # [18:47] <Zakim> glazou should now be muted
  443. # [18:47] <SimonSapin> Topic: elementsFromPoint() and pointer-events:paint-order
  444. # [18:47] <molly> David: I think I'd have interest if it were clearly defined but I need to understand more
  445. # [18:47] <molly> Alan: I'll reply to thread with a more complete definition
  446. # [18:47] <Zakim> +antonp
  447. # [18:48] <molly> David: This is good for me, but in the spec would need to be more detailed
  448. # [18:48] <glazou> Zakim, unmute me
  449. # [18:48] <Zakim> glazou should no longer be muted
  450. # [18:48] <molly> David: I'm okay with it
  451. # [18:48] <molly> Peter: Thoughts/Objections?
  452. # [18:48] <dbaron> (we're discussing just elementsFromPoint() so far)
  453. # [18:49] <molly> Alan: Will add some text for more information, and wait until we have implementations of elementesFromPoint()
  454. # [18:49] <molly> Peter: Seems fair enough: opinions?
  455. # [18:49] <dbaron> Alan: For the second part (pointer-events: paint-order), I think it makes sense to wait until we have implementations of elementsFromPoint()
  456. # [18:49] <molly> Peter: Resolved
  457. # [18:50] <molly> no objection
  458. # [18:50] <plinss> RESOLVED: add elementsFromPoint() to cssom-view
  459. # [18:50] <plinss> ACTION: stearns to propose text for elementsFromPoint
  460. # [18:50] * trackbot is creating a new ACTION.
  461. # [18:50] * RRSAgent records action 1
  462. # [18:50] <trackbot> Created ACTION-567 - Propose text for elementsFromPoint [on Alan Stearns - due 2013-06-26].
  463. # [18:51] <glazou> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2013Jun/0240.html
  464. # [18:51] <molly> Topic: Multiple Subject Indicators
  465. # [18:51] <molly> Glazou: Describing issue
  466. # [18:52] <molly> Glazou: Two possibilities - first if multiple, only last wins OR
  467. # [18:52] <molly> didn't catch that
  468. # [18:52] <SimonSapin> glazou: or all of them match
  469. # [18:52] <dbaron> I'd prefer either (a) or (c) in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2013Jun/0240.html ; I don't like (b).
  470. # [18:52] <molly> Fantasai: I think it makes more sense if all of them match
  471. # [18:53] <molly> Glazou: it's an implementation change so I want to hear from implementors
  472. # [18:53] <molly> David: I might be missing something here
  473. # [18:53] <SimonSapin> s/Fantasai/leaverou/ ?
  474. # [18:53] <molly> Glazou and Dbaron - syntactic sugar discussion
  475. # [18:53] <glazou> s/Fantasai/leaverou
  476. # [18:53] * molly is that lea? Sorry! Hi Lea
  477. # [18:53] * leaverou molly: LOL, hi
  478. # [18:53] <molly> Peter: Is anyone implementing yet?
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  480. # [18:54] <dbaron> Lea: It's just syntactic sugar.
  481. # [18:54] <molly> Glazou: put in selectors4
  482. # [18:54] <dbaron> dbaron: It might (depending on implementation) require implementations to remap the syntax, which is a bit of a pain, but hard to know.
  483. # [18:55] <molly> Peter: Resolved
  484. # [18:55] <plinss> RESOLVED: multiple subject selectors allowed and all match
  485. # [18:55] <molly> RESOLVED place Multiple Subject Indicator matching in Selectors Level 4
  486. # [18:56] <plinss> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2013Jun/0097.html
  487. # [18:57] <molly> Discussing Cross-Origin Style Sheets
  488. # [18:57] <dbaron> dbaron: I think people who are interested should go review the change.
  489. # [18:57] <molly> Peter: Anyone else?
  490. # [18:58] * molly can't hear
  491. # [18:58] * dbaron couldn't hear what issue what Simon was talking about
  492. # [18:58] <dbaron> Simon: Please look at the issue in agenda item (A) on the mailing list.
  493. # [18:58] <SimonSapin> A. [css-backgrounds] Painting area and 'background-attachment: local'
  494. # [18:58] <SimonSapin> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2013Jun/0276.html
  495. # [18:58] <Zakim> -dbaron
  496. # [18:58] <Zakim> -hober
  497. # [18:58] <antonp> Thanks for taking over the scribing, Molly! My line was terrible; couldn't hear half the group
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  500. # [18:58] <Zakim> -sgalineau
  501. # [18:58] <Zakim> -jerenkrantz_
  502. # [18:58] <Zakim> -glazou
  503. # [18:58] <Zakim> -Lea
  504. # [18:58] <Zakim> -Krit
  505. # [18:58] <Zakim> -shezbaig_wk
  506. # [18:58] <Zakim> -BradK
  507. # [18:58] <Zakim> -Molly_Holzschlag
  508. # [18:58] <Zakim> -Tantek
  509. # [18:59] <Zakim> -MaRakow
  510. # [18:59] <Zakim> -Stearns
  511. # [18:59] <Zakim> -antonp
  512. # [18:59] <Zakim> -leif
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  515. # [18:59] <Zakim> -Plh
  516. # [18:59] <Zakim> -plinss
  517. # [18:59] <Zakim> -SteveZ
  518. # [18:59] <Zakim> -SimonSapin
  519. # [18:59] <Zakim> -Rossen
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  523. # [18:59] <SimonSapin> dbaron: looked at Syntax yet ? :)
  524. # [18:59] <Zakim> -c_palmer
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  526. # [19:00] <leif> RRSAgent, please make minutes
  527. # [19:00] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/06/19-css-minutes.html leif
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  531. # [19:04] <glazou> FWIW, I now have UI for font-feature-settings in BlueGriffon
  532. # [19:04] <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, [IPcaller], in Style_CSS FP()12:00PM
  533. # [19:04] <Zakim> Style_CSS FP()12:00PM has ended
  534. # [19:04] <Zakim> Attendees were florian, plinss, +1.206.675.aaaa, Plh, sgalineau, glazou, Stearns, BradK, +93192aabb, antonp, +1.212.318.aacc, +1.610.324.aadd, Lea, jerenkrantz_, dael, SimonSapin,
  535. # [19:04] <Zakim> ... +47.23.69.aaee, leif, Molly_Holzschlag, dbaron, Krit, shezbaig_wk, hober, SteveZ, JohnJansen, c_palmer, MaRakow, Tantek
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  542. # [19:16] <SimonSapin> TabAtkins: http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/css/20130619#l-434
  543. # [19:17] <TabAtkins> Yup, saw that. I'll make the edit shortly.
  544. # [19:17] <SimonSapin> cool
  545. # [19:17] <TabAtkins> Except that !important is, of course, allowed.
  546. # [19:18] <TabAtkins> (And stripped out by the parser.)
  547. # [19:18] <SimonSapin> yeah, it’s removed and accounted for before we get to dealing with custom proporties
  548. # [19:28] <leaverou> TabAtkins: hi, are the minutes from the f2f published anywhere yet? Is there any draft I could look at?
  549. # [19:29] <TabAtkins> leaverou: I don't think so. You can check out the logs that krijn has, or the auto-generated minutes (but I forget how to access those).
  550. # [19:29] <leaverou> TabAtkins: thanks!
  551. # [19:30] <SimonSapin> for the generated stuff start with http://www.w3.org/2013/06/19-css-minutes.html and try changing the date
  552. # [19:31] <SimonSapin> The F2F was June 5-7
  553. # [19:31] <leaverou> thanks SimonSapin!
  554. # [19:32] <SimonSapin> leaverou: thoughts on background-attachment:local vs. background-clip? http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2013Jun/0276.html
  555. # [19:32] <leaverou> SimonSapin: lemme take a look
  556. # [19:33] <leaverou> SimonSapin: "Note: This means that 'background-clip: border-box' is indistinguishable from 'padding-box'." Why?
  557. # [19:34] <SimonSapin> if 'overflow: (not visible)' clips at padding box, like it does for content
  558. # [19:34] <leaverou> I can think of ways to paint it under the border too
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  560. # [19:34] <leaverou> SimonSapin: is that how existing implementations behave?
  561. # [19:35] <SimonSapin> I’ll have to double-check, but I think there is no interop
  562. # [19:35] <SimonSapin> on eg. background-clip: content-box; background-attachment: local
  563. # [19:36] <SimonSapin> we *could* have 'overflow' clip backgrounds at the border-box instead, but the inconsistency with content such as text is weird
  564. # [19:38] <leaverou> SimonSapin: what inconsistency?
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  566. # [19:39] <SimonSapin> scrolled text and scrolled background (with attachment: local) being clipped on different rectangels
  567. # [19:40] <SimonSapin> assuming overflow: scroll/auto/hidden
  568. # [19:40] <leaverou> SimonSapin: huh, so WebKit does what you're saying
  569. # [19:40] <leaverou> which is very weird, because it's different than both the other values
  570. # [19:40] <leaverou> http://dabblet.com/gist/5816242
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  573. # [19:41] <SimonSapin> background-attachment: local basically moves the image inside the scrolling thing
  574. # [19:42] <SimonSapin> you don’t see scrolled text behind the border
  575. # [19:43] <SimonSapin> leaverou: see http://dabblet.com/gist/5816265 with 'background-clip: content-box' the content-box rectangle also scrolls with the content
  576. # [19:47] <leaverou> SimonSapin: it could still scroll, underneath the border
  577. # [19:47] <SimonSapin> it could
  578. # [19:47] <SimonSapin> but that would be inconsistent with how the text is clipped
  579. # [19:47] <leaverou> and you'd just see a part of it
  580. # [19:47] <leaverou> I could see cases where that "inconsistency" is intentional
  581. # [19:48] <SimonSapin> I could live with that either way
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  583. # [19:48] <SimonSapin> I’m more interested in content-box scrolling with the content
  584. # [19:49] <SimonSapin> rather than doing this http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2013Jun/att-0076/painting-area-notref.html
  585. # [19:50] <SimonSapin> which is what Presto does
  586. # [19:52] <SimonSapin> … and IE too
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  590. # [19:56] <leaverou> SimonSapin: huh, yeah, that's obvious
  591. # [19:57] <SimonSapin> leaverou: anyway, I would appreciate a comment one way or another on www-style, so far this thread is a bit of a monologue :)
  592. # [19:57] <leaverou> SimonSapin: ok, will do!
  593. # [19:57] <SimonSapin> thanks
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  596. # [20:06] <leaverou> SimonSapin: btw, I couldn't find the minutes :(
  597. # [20:06] <leaverou> any URL I tried didn't work
  598. # [20:07] <Ms2ger> leaverou, http://www.w3.org/2013/06/19-css-minutes.html ?
  599. # [20:08] <leaverou> Ms2ger: that's for today
  600. # [20:08] <SimonSapin> leaverou: http://www.w3.org/2013/06/05-css-minutes.html
  601. # [20:08] <SimonSapin> then change 05 to 06 and 07
  602. # [20:08] <leaverou> SimonSapin: oooooh, it needed a leading zero
  603. # [20:08] <leaverou> that explains it
  604. # [20:08] <Ms2ger> Couldn't tell from what you were saying what you needed :)
  605. # [20:08] <SimonSapin> alternatively http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/css/20130605
  606. # [20:09] <leaverou> thanks Simon!
  607. # [20:09] <SimonSapin> the latter logs all the time, not just meetings
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