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  75. # [19:03] <TabAtkins> fantasai: You coming to the meeting?
  76. # [19:10] <fantasai> Sorry, got confused
  77. # [19:13] <gsnedders> Did the building get renamed Bikeshed and you couldn't find it? #csshumour
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  82. # [19:30] <fantasai> gsnedders: Heh, no, I thought the meeting was at 10, so I was going to call in, but then I checked my calender and it said 2pm.
  83. # [19:30] <fantasai> gsnedders: So I was like, ok, not yet.
  84. # [19:30] <fantasai> gsnedders: And then I was like, wait a minute. I'm pretty sure it was 10!
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  87. # [19:44] <fantasai> ACTION: fantasai clarify spanning across implicit subgrid tracks
  88. # [19:44] * trackbot is creating a new ACTION.
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  90. # [19:44] <trackbot> Created ACTION-574 - Clarify spanning across implicit subgrid tracks [on Elika Etemad - due 2013-09-02].
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  93. # [19:57] <fantasai> ACTION: TabAtkins add example of empty named lines paren
  94. # [19:57] * trackbot is creating a new ACTION.
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  96. # [19:57] <trackbot> Error finding 'TabAtkins'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/Tracker/users>.
  97. # [19:57] <fantasai> whatever trackbot
  98. # [19:57] <TabAtkins> ACTION: Tab add example of empty named lines paren
  99. # [19:57] * trackbot is creating a new ACTION.
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  101. # [19:57] <trackbot> Created ACTION-575 - Add example of empty named lines paren [on Tab Atkins Jr. - due 2013-09-02].
  102. # [20:00] <TabAtkins> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?product=CSS&component=Grid%20Layout&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&list_id=25045
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  107. # [20:15] <TabAtkins> http://dev.w3.org/csswg/cssom/#the-getstyleutils-interface
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  109. # [20:16] <TabAtkins> http://dev.w3.org/csswg/cssom/#the-getstyleutils-interface
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  111. # [20:42] * zcorpan wonders why TabAtkins links to that
  112. # [20:42] <fantasai> we're on a grid layout call :)
  113. # [20:43] <fantasai> random links getting tossed around
  114. # [20:44] <TabAtkins> zcorpan: I just like linking to your specs. Makes me feel good.
  115. # [20:45] <zcorpan> TabAtkins: excellent
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  121. # [22:19] <fantasai> TabAtkins: i'm back
  122. # [22:20] <TabAtkins> fantasai: kk
  123. # [22:20] * fantasai goes to look at the changelogs
  124. # [22:20] <TabAtkins> Yeah, changelogs work, and I'm in the middle of writing grid-auto-position right now.
  125. # [22:20] <TabAtkins> Which will likely need love.
  126. # [22:20] <fantasai> :)
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  129. # [22:21] <fantasai> Think static position needs work, too
  130. # [22:22] * fantasai goes to fix error in the grammar changes
  131. # [22:23] <fantasai> you used || instead of | ..
  132. # [22:23] <TabAtkins> Okay, just pushed the first draft of grid-auto-position.
  133. # [22:24] <fantasai> kk
  134. # [22:24] <fantasai> will take a look
  135. # [22:27] <fantasai> hm, I'm getting a fatal error on regen :/
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  137. # [22:29] <TabAtkins> What's the error?
  138. # [22:29] <fantasai> FATAL ERROR: 'Link Defaults' is a comma-separated list of '<spec> (<dfn-type>) <terms>'. Got: css-align-3 (dfn) alignment container/alignment subject
  139. # [22:30] <TabAtkins> That fix was pushed a few minutes ago, so it just hasn't hit the online processor yet. ^_^
  140. # [22:30] <fantasai> ah, ok
  141. # [22:30] * fantasai just checks things in without regen
  142. # [22:30] * fantasai will figure it out later
  143. # [22:30] <TabAtkins> or rather, *now* it's pushed.
  144. # [22:31] <TabAtkins> Forgot that I'd made an edit this weekend, and I needed to rebase.
  145. # [22:31] <TabAtkins> But yeah, I can just do a regen later.
  146. # [22:32] <TabAtkins> Note that I couldn't come up with a name for the grid-auto-position section, so I just used the same name as grid-auto-flow. ^_^
  147. # [22:33] <fantasai> Default Position
  148. # [22:33] <fantasai> ?
  149. # [22:33] <TabAtkins> Yeah, good enough. pushed
  150. # [22:34] <fantasai> TabAtkins: I think we need to keep an issue open on removing 'none'
  151. # [22:34] <fantasai> We'd like to try
  152. # [22:34] <fantasai> if we can
  153. # [22:34] <fantasai> because stacking things in 1,1 by default is not great
  154. # [22:34] <TabAtkins> Well, we had an issue for *adding* none (perhaps under another name)
  155. # [22:34] <fantasai> Right, but now it's back, we should have an issue on removing it
  156. # [22:34] <fantasai> or at least, making it not the default
  157. # [22:34] <TabAtkins> Ah, kk.
  158. # [22:34] <TabAtkins> Sure, adding now.
  159. # [22:35] <fantasai> Explain why it's still there -- that there might be compat reasons we can't remove it
  160. # [22:35] <fantasai> Although I'm wondering if perhaps MS could have a different UA style sheet for their Win8 apps
  161. # [22:35] <fantasai> that just sets it to 'none'
  162. # [22:35] <fantasai> or whatever
  163. # [22:36] <fantasai> -ms-none
  164. # [22:37] <TabAtkins> Ooh, that might work.
  165. # [22:37] <fantasai> Because even if we have a value for stacking
  166. # [22:37] <fantasai> I wouldn't want their behavior :)
  167. # [22:37] <fantasai> Should go into the first *empty* slot
  168. # [22:37] <fantasai> or, if we still have it, the grid-auto-position slot
  169. # [22:37] <fantasai> if that's not set to 'auto'
  170. # [22:37] <TabAtkins> Rossen brought up the issue that you have to decide between row-major and column-major when finding an "empty" slot.
  171. # [22:38] <fantasai> grid-auto-flow: [rows | columns] || stack
  172. # [22:38] <fantasai> That one's easy
  173. # [22:38] <fantasai> :p
  174. # [22:38] <TabAtkins> Yeah, I guess.
  175. # [22:38] <TabAtkins> Okay, let's email Rossen about this.
  176. # [22:39] <TabAtkins> I'll rework the issue.
  177. # [22:40] <fantasai> kk
  178. # [22:40] <TabAtkins> Or! We let grid-auto-position take rows | columns
  179. # [22:40] <fantasai> hmm
  180. # [22:40] <fantasai> interesting
  181. # [22:40] <fantasai> Either way works for me atm ^_^ I'd have to think it through a bit more
  182. # [22:40] <fantasai> to come up with a reason for one or the other
  183. # [22:42] <fantasai> um, you got a favorite collaborative editor?
  184. # [22:42] <fantasai> I'm hating Etherpad's insistence on being wider than my screen...
  185. # [22:42] <TabAtkins> No. ;_;
  186. # [22:43] <fantasai> oh, hey, if I click full screen it fits in a smaller screen
  187. # [22:43] <fantasai> go figure
  188. # [22:43] * fantasai starts drafting
  189. # [22:44] <TabAtkins> and link me?
  190. # [22:44] <fantasai> https://etherpad.mozilla.org/tab-and-fantasai
  191. # [22:55] * fantasai keeps getting connection errors, sowwy :(
  192. # [22:59] <TabAtkins> Ah, that explains it.
  193. # [22:59] <TabAtkins> I was wondering.
  194. # [22:59] <fantasai> You're like, why is this phrase ungrammatical and nonsensical? :)
  195. # [22:59] <fantasai> yeah
  196. # [22:59] <fantasai> ok, looks pretty good to me
  197. # [22:59] <fantasai> should I format it up into email, or more edits?
  198. # [23:00] <fantasai> hmm, interesting
  199. # [23:00] <TabAtkins> Hmm, stack vs deck.
  200. # [23:00] <TabAtkins> Rossen is here!
  201. # [23:00] <TabAtkins> Yay!
  202. # [23:00] <fantasai> uh?
  203. # [23:01] <fantasai> oh, hey
  204. # [23:01] <fantasai> cool :)
  205. # [23:01] <fantasai> Hi Rossen!
  206. # [23:01] <TabAtkins> Rossen: There is a chat in the etherpad so you don't have to insert comments into the doc to talk to us. ^_^
  207. # [23:01] <fantasai> I guess the advantage of 'deck' is that it's more typically used for this paradigm
  208. # [23:01] <fantasai> I think 'stack' is more clear about what it's doing, though
  209. # [23:02] <Rossen> lol... didn't think that was a chat window
  210. # [23:02] <fantasai> esp since 'deck' has multiple meanings in English
  211. # [23:02] <TabAtkins> Yeah, same comments from me.
  212. # [23:04] <fantasai> So, uh
  213. # [23:04] <fantasai> should I post this to www-archive for posterity or what?
  214. # [23:04] <fantasai> Seems like Rossen received the email even though I haven't sent it yet ;)
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  216. # [23:07] <TabAtkins> Yeah, we should. ^_^
  217. # [23:07] <TabAtkins> When we're done, I assume.
  218. # [23:08] <fantasai> with the email?
  219. # [23:09] <fantasai> oh, interesting
  220. # [23:10] * fantasai formats this up into proper email form
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  225. # [23:14] <fantasai> TabAtkins: Alright, formatted. Does that seem reasonably clear?
  226. # [23:14] <TabAtkins> yes
  227. # [23:17] <TabAtkins> Okay, so, Rossen, how do you feel about this proposal?
  228. # [23:17] <TabAtkins> With 'deck' as the keyword.
  229. # [23:17] <fantasai> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2013Aug/0024.html
  230. # [23:17] * fantasai wonders if there's a parallel to rows/columns in the z-axis
  231. # [23:17] <fantasai> other than stack
  232. # [23:18] <TabAtkins> Nah, that would require a maximum depth.
  233. # [23:18] <fantasai> oh, yes, that would be silly...
  234. # [23:18] <fantasai> "pile" :)
  235. # [23:22] <TabAtkins> Nah, if we're not going with 'stack', which is the clearest word, I'd prefer just taking the common XAML word, which is used reasonably often in the outside world too.
  236. # [23:22] <fantasai> fair enough
  237. # [23:22] * fantasai wishes we could use stack :/
  238. # [23:22] <TabAtkins> Yes. :/
  239. # [23:27] <TabAtkins> D'oh, and now Rossen's gone.
  240. # [23:27] <TabAtkins> I forget - did we decide to kill the grid-field issue?
  241. # [23:28] <fantasai> I don't remember
  242. # [23:28] <TabAtkins> Also: how do you want to track the collapse and gutter things? I think we should remove them from the sections, but still keep notes around somewhere.
  243. # [23:30] <fantasai> wiki?
  244. # [23:30] <TabAtkins> Sure.
  245. # [23:38] <fantasai> which wiki page?
  246. # [23:38] <fantasai> http://wiki.csswg.org/spec/css3-grid-layout ?
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  248. # [23:48] <TabAtkins> css-grid-4
  249. # [23:48] <TabAtkins> It's linkd on the specs page.
  250. # [23:48] <fantasai> 4?
  251. # [23:48] <fantasai> really?
  252. # [23:48] * fantasai fixes that for you
  253. # [23:53] <TabAtkins> Sorry, 2. I set it up correctly.
  254. # [23:54] <fantasai> :)
  255. # [23:58] <fantasai> TabAtkins: If we can get away with 'deck' instead of 'none', I think we can postpone grid-auto-position
  256. # [23:58] <fantasai> TabAtkins: Because the default behavior of slotting into the first empty cell is probably useful enough
  257. # [23:58] <TabAtkins> Yeah, though I'm not sure we want to postpone it.
  258. # [23:58] <TabAtkins> But we could, yeah.
  259. # [23:59] <fantasai> It might be a good idea, so we can make sure it interacts well with "*" slots, auto-flow slots, etc.
  260. # [23:59] <fantasai> Stuff we have planned but not fully designed-out
  261. # [23:59] <TabAtkins> Hm, yeah, I guess so.
  262. # [23:59] <fantasai> We'll have a better chance of having good interactions once we do that design work
  263. # [00:00] <TabAtkins> Okay, let's kill it, as soon as Rossen confirms that this plan is okay.
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