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- # [02:26] <TabAtkins> arronei: Wanna op a bunch of us?
- # [02:26] <TabAtkins> plinss: I'm planning to add some self-links to <dfn>s, but that means that there will be spurious § characters in the text content. Are you prepared to remove them?
- # [02:27] <fantasai> TabAtkins: just put the symbol outside the <dfn>
- # [02:27] <TabAtkins> Hm, I suppose I could do that.
- # [02:27] <fantasai> This would be a good case for gencon links...
- # [02:27] <fantasai> :/
- # [02:28] <TabAtkins> Yeah, definitely.
- # [02:28] <fantasai> Someday!
- # [02:28] <TabAtkins> This is basically the textbook example for them.
- # [02:28] <fantasai> heh
- # [02:40] <fantasai> TabAtkins: Thinking to put Grid Layout in for publishing on Tuesday
- # [02:40] <TabAtkins> fantasai: That works.
- # [02:40] <fantasai> TabAtkins: and add in some more examples to e.g. subgrids
- # [02:40] <TabAtkins> I need to put Syntax in for publishing too.
- # [02:40] <TabAtkins> fantasai: kk!
- # [02:40] <TabAtkins> fantasai: Need any diagrams, let me know.
- # [02:41] <fantasai> TabAtkins: Do you want to do another work day before the F2F?
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- # [02:41] <fantasai> TabAtkins: kk! I'll draw some up and send you photos or something then :P
- # [02:41] * fantasai will try to draw up the Cascade DoC today
- # [02:41] <TabAtkins> yes, another work day would be useful. I wanna do more thinking on Sizing and finish up the perferred size edits.
- # [02:42] <fantasai> ok
- # [02:42] <fantasai> which day(s)?
- # [02:42] <fantasai> I can't do this Friday
- # [02:47] <TabAtkins> lessee...
- # [02:48] <TabAtkins> wed/thu/fri next week?
- # [02:50] <fantasai> sure
- # [02:50] <fantasai> I think any of those days work for me
- # [02:52] <plinss> TabAtkins: yeah I was going to talk to you about the § in the section headers, too...
- # [02:52] <TabAtkins> plinss: Yes.
- # [02:52] <plinss> why aren't those ::after { content:'§' }?
- # [02:53] <TabAtkins> Because, without thinking much about it, it seems wrong from an accessibility perspective to have an empty permalink?
- # [02:53] <plinss> ? the anchor would still be the <hX>...
- # [02:54] <TabAtkins> Yeah, I haven't given much thought to this, it just felt wrong.
- # [02:54] <TabAtkins> If you think it's okay, I can do that.
- # [02:56] <plinss> in my mind the § shouldn't be part of the content, you don't have to change the markup at all, so there shouldn't be an a11y issue
- # [02:58] <plinss> oh, wait, I get your point now… (I was thinking about the link target, not the link)
- # [02:58] <plinss> hmmm
- # [02:58] <TabAtkins> Yeah.
- # [02:59] <TabAtkins> fantasai: Just pick whatever day you want, then.
- # [03:01] <plinss> logically, it should still be css generated content, but since we can't generate links in css… go ahead and keep them, I'll strip them in the parser
- # [03:02] <plinss> I don't think you should use § for <dfn>s though, it's really a section symbol
- # [03:02] <fantasai> http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/2693/
- # [03:02] <fantasai> :)
- # [03:03] <TabAtkins> Heh.
- # [03:03] <TabAtkins> I think a lot of things use the paragraph symbol for permalinks.
- # [03:04] <TabAtkins> pilcrow, that's it.
- # [03:21] <plinss> pilcrows really shouldn't be showing up in the middle of paragraphs though...
- # [03:26] <plinss> I suggest using a # for the <dfn> permalinks, and I'm still thinking that they shouldn't be in the content… (especially for <dfn>s, you don't want people copying them with the text…)
- # [03:39] <fantasai> Use a picture?
- # [03:39] <fantasai> An <img> won't show up in text
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- # [03:53] <shepazu> fantasai, TabAtkins, either of you know how to use selectors?
- # [03:54] <fantasai> um, yeah?
- # [03:54] * fantasai figures it's a prereq around here
- # [03:54] <shepazu> given an element, what's the best way to find if it has an immediate child <title> or <desc>?
- # [03:54] <fantasai> well, the appropriate selector would be
- # [03:54] <fantasai> * > title, * > desc
- # [03:55] <shepazu> I got as far as el.querySelector()
- # [03:55] <fantasai> is el the element in question?
- # [03:55] <fantasai> or are you searching for any element inside el's subtree?
- # [03:55] <fantasai> SimonSapin: Could you review the media-dependent import text at http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css-cascade/#at-import and send a note about whether it looks ok to you? :)
- # [03:56] <shepazu> yes
- # [03:56] <shepazu> <g><title> should return the title, <g><circle><title>
- # [03:56] <shepazu> should not
- # [03:57] <fantasai> hmm
- # [03:57] <fantasai> well, I think
- # [03:58] <fantasai> x = el.querySelector("title, desc")
- # [03:58] <fantasai> if (x && x.parent = el) { ... }
- # [03:58] <fantasai> should work
- # [03:58] <fantasai> there might be a better way
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- # [03:59] <fantasai> but I'm not as familiar with JS/DOM as Tab is
- # [03:59] * fantasai avoids the stuff, generally
- # [04:00] <shepazu> ok, that's good enough, thanks
- # [04:01] <shepazu> fantasai, are you intersted in giving a lightning talk and doing a panel session at HTML5DevConf in October?
- # [04:01] <shepazu> it's in SF area
- # [04:02] <fantasai> dates, and what would the topic be?
- # [04:02] <shepazu> October 22 & 23, (day before my birthday)
- # [04:02] <shepazu> the topic would be any CSS spec you're editing
- # [04:03] <shepazu> the idea is to have 4-5 editors introduce a spec of their own interest, then participate in a panel talking about W3C participation, tech, etc.
- # [04:03] <fantasai> I think I might be ok with that
- # [04:04] <shepazu> great, can I send you an intro to the main organizers?
- # [04:04] <TabAtkins> shepazu: Don't know whether it's implemented or not, but el.querySelector(":scope > title, :scope > desc") should work without further filtering.
- # [04:04] <TabAtkins> Once we get .find(), it'll be simpler - el.find("> scope, > desc")
- # [04:04] <shepazu> TabAtkins, hmmm!
- # [04:04] * shepazu didn't hear about .find()...
- # [04:04] * shepazu learning a lot at this year's geek week
- # [04:04] <TabAtkins> shepazu: Check Selectors API 2.
- # [04:05] <shepazu> ahhhh, ok, thanks
- # [04:05] <TabAtkins> And I can't attend html5devconf, I'll be at cssdev conf 21-22, and won't be home until the 24th.
- # [04:06] <shepazu> pity, I think it will be fun
- # [04:10] * shepazu trying to get some diversity… maybe people from unusual WGs, as well as the major ones like CSS
- # [04:11] <shepazu> or webapps
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- # [04:24] <shepazu> TabAtkins, el.querySelector(":scope > title") works in Chrome, but not FF
- # [04:24] <shepazu> in fact, it seems to throw an error!
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- # [09:57] <SimonSapin> fantasai: http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css-cascade/#at-import nitpick: url/URL/URI, pick one :)
- # [09:59] <SimonSapin> fantasai: other than than, looks good
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- # [10:19] <michou> fantasai: ping?
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- # [15:15] <michou> hey, anyone on Europe time around?
- # [15:15] <SimonSapin> Hi michou. Yes.
- # [15:16] <michou> is there something special one needs to do in order to edit pages on the wiki? except from getting write permissions, of course
- # [15:17] <michou> Just going to the page source should give you an editable view of it, right?
- # [15:18] <michou> (The problem is that even though I'm now a CSSWG member, the wiki still only gives me the readonly view of pages :( )
- # [15:20] <SimonSapin> michou: you need to be logged in to edit wiki pages. I *think* this as not backed by W3C accounts or WG membership, but by the same database as https://test.csswg.org/shepherd/
- # [15:20] <SimonSapin> there is a "create an account" link there, I don’t know if it needs confirmation
- # [15:21] <michou> SimonSapin: I already have an account on Shepherd
- # [15:21] <michou> I actually have two
- # [15:21] <SimonSapin> try the same login/password
- # [15:21] <michou> I think things got messed up because of that
- # [15:21] <michou> I can login, this is not the problem :)
- # [15:21] <SimonSapin> oh
- # [15:22] <michou> I'll ping fantasai / plinss some more, maybe I'll be able to fix it before I leave on vacation
- # [15:22] <michou> I just thought there was something special to do besides logging in
- # [15:22] <SimonSapin> afaik you should be able to edit if you’re logged in
- # [15:23] <SimonSapin> but if you need an edit done now I could do it for you
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- # [18:07] <glenn> fantasai: ping?
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- # [18:55] <TabAtkins> SimonSapin: There's been weirdness in the past with permissions getting messed up in odd ways, so that might be the case with michou.
- # [18:55] <TabAtkins> SimonSapin: Also, the right term is "URL" everywhere. I'll edit Cascade.
- # [18:56] <SimonSapin> TabAtkins: I agree with URL, but I’m not editor on that spec so :)
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- # [22:16] <TabAtkins> plinss: Okay, I switched to selflinks being empty, and using CSS to fill them in with a character. Headings use §, issues/etc use ¶, definitions use #.
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- # [22:22] <plinss> Cool
- # [22:23] <plinss> Maybe at some point we can get someone to design icons for all the different dfn types...
- # [22:23] <fantasai> why need different icons?
- # [22:24] <fantasai> they're all "link to here"
- # [22:25] <plinss> We don't _need_ different icons, but it might be useful.
- # [22:25] <plinss> More so on the other end of the link, but...
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- # [22:27] <plinss> I'm thinking for places like the Shepherd UI for test 'help' links
- # [22:29] <TabAtkins> fantasai: Section and Pilcrow are traditionally used for sections and paragraphs, so they seemed appropriate.
- # [22:29] <TabAtkins> Or, are you just alking about the definition types?
- # [22:30] <fantasai> I guess the mnemonic you're going for is #define? :)
- # [22:30] <TabAtkins> Heh, I've just seen # used for inline permalinks before.
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- # [22:47] <TabAtkins> fantasai: Woo, generating an Issues Index now!
- # [22:47] <TabAtkins> Gonna go regen Grid with it before the call real quick.
- # [22:49] <TabAtkins> fantasai: Ooh, that looks very good. Check it out.
- # [22:50] <fantasai> TabAtkins: Oh, I totally forgot about the call. Thanks for reminding me!
- # [22:50] <TabAtkins> haha, nice
- # [22:52] * TabAtkins http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css-grid/#issues-index
- # [22:52] <TabAtkins> http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css-grid/#issues-index
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- # [23:12] * fantasai wants a type attribute on <ul> :/
- # [23:12] * fantasai that takes same values as <ol>
- # [23:12] <TabAtkins> so you can get "numbered" bullets?
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