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- # Session Ident: #css
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- # [00:31] <TabAtkins> Argh, I'm spending tomorrow working on integrating the IDL parser into bikeshed.
- # [00:32] <TabAtkins> Marking up an IDL block in the spec makes it so much harder to read, and virtually all of the information can be automatically inferred.
- # [00:38] <fantasai> TabAtkins: Do you have a DoC on Counter Styles yet?
- # [00:39] * fantasai is running down the list of specs to see what needs follow-up ...
- # [00:39] <TabAtkins> No, I haven't written one.
- # [00:39] <fantasai> TabAtkins: Also! Did Dael get through 1st level approval yet?
- # [00:39] <TabAtkins> Huh, I didn't get any information about it last Thursday, when she was supposed to go through. I'll ping the dude helping me out.
- # [00:40] <fantasai> :(
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- # [03:32] <plinss> TabAtkins: https://github.com/plinss/widlparser
- # [03:36] <TabAtkins> plinss: Cool!
- # [03:36] <plinss> Docs coming shortly...
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- # [16:00] <liam> plinss, ping?
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- # [17:52] <plinss> zakim, this will be style
- # [17:52] <Zakim> ok, plinss; I see Style_CSS FP()12:00PM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
- # [17:53] <Zakim> Style_CSS FP()12:00PM has now started
- # [17:53] <Zakim> +plinss
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- # [17:54] <glazou> hello, finally made it :-)
- # [17:54] <Zakim> +??P18
- # [17:54] <glazou> Zakim, this will be Style
- # [17:54] <Zakim> ok, glazou, I see Style_CSS FP()12:00PM already started
- # [17:54] <glazou> Zakim, code?
- # [17:54] <Zakim> the conference code is 78953 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), glazou
- # [17:55] <Zakim> + +1.413.325.aaaa
- # [17:55] <krit1> Zakim, who is on the phone?
- # [17:55] <Zakim> On the phone I see plinss, ??P18, +1.413.325.aaaa
- # [17:55] <Zakim> + +1.408.652.aabb
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- # [17:55] <glazou> Zakim, aabb is me
- # [17:55] <Zakim> +glazou; got it
- # [17:55] * krit1 strange, am I P18?
- # [17:56] <Zakim> +??P32
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- # [17:56] <Zakim> + +1.415.832.aacc
- # [17:56] <dcramer> 413.325.1307 is Dave Cramer from Hachette
- # [17:56] <glenn> zakim, ??p332 is me
- # [17:56] <Zakim> sorry, glenn, I do not recognize a party named '??p332'
- # [17:56] <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
- # [17:56] <Zakim> +??P40
- # [17:56] <glenn> zakim, ??p32 is me
- # [17:56] <Zakim> +glenn; got it
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- # [17:56] <krit> Zakim, P18 is me
- # [17:56] <Zakim> sorry, krit, I do not recognize a party named 'P18'
- # [17:56] <jdaggett> zakim, ipcaller is me
- # [17:56] <Zakim> +jdaggett; got it
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- # [17:56] <Ms2ger> Zakim, aacc is dcramer
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- # [17:57] <Zakim> +krit; got it
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- # [17:58] <Zakim> +dael; got it
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- # [17:59] * plh zakim, call plh-work
- # [17:59] * Zakim ok, plh; the call is being made
- # [17:59] <Zakim> +Plh
- # [17:59] <Zakim> + +44..aaff
- # [17:59] <Zakim> +Bert
- # [17:59] <Zakim> +[Apple]
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- # [17:59] <Zakim> +hober; got it
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- # [18:00] <SimonSapin> How do I tell Zakim about a room with two people?
- # [18:00] <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
- # [18:00] <Zakim> + +93192aagg
- # [18:00] <antonp> Zakim, aagg is me
- # [18:00] <Zakim> +antonp; got it
- # [18:00] * plinss SimonSapin - see what hober did above...
- # [18:00] * hober SimonSapin: Zakim, foo has me \n Zakim, foo has someone else
- # [18:00] <florian> Zakim, IPcaller has me
- # [18:01] <Zakim> +florian; got it
- # [18:01] <ChrisL> zakim, simon has foo
- # [18:01] <Zakim> sorry, ChrisL, I do not recognize a party named 'simon'
- # [18:01] <SimonSapin> Zakim, aaff is [Mozilla]
- # [18:01] <Zakim> +[Mozilla]; got it
- # [18:01] <Zakim> + +1.520.280.aahh
- # [18:01] <SimonSapin> [Mozilla] has SimonSapin
- # [18:01] <SimonSapin> Zakim, [Mozilla] has SimonSapin
- # [18:01] <Zakim> +SimonSapin; got it
- # [18:01] <SimonSapin> Zakim, [Mozilla] has dbaron
- # [18:01] <Zakim> +dbaron; got it
- # [18:01] <bkardell> 520.280.3584 is bkardell
- # [18:02] <fantasai> ScribeNick: fantasai
- # [18:02] <antonp> ScribeNick: antonp
- # [18:02] <fantasai> ScribeNick: fantasai
- # [18:02] <fantasai> plinss: Any additions to the agenda
- # [18:02] <fantasai> Topic: Unicode-Range
- # [18:03] <fantasai> SimonSapin: In the Syntax spec, some changes from CSS2.1
- # [18:03] <fantasai> SimonSapin: Tried to match Fonts spec, do parsing/normalization of unicode-range in tokenizer
- # [18:03] * ChrisL gets passcode invalid, sigh
- # [18:03] <fantasai> SimonSapin: But fonts spec changed
- # [18:03] * ChrisL zakim, code?
- # [18:03] * Zakim saw 78953 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org) given for the conference code, ChrisL
- # [18:03] <fantasai> SimonSapin: So want to revert changes, and do what CSS2.1 does for UNICODE-RANGE
- # [18:03] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
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- # [18:04] <fantasai> SimonSapin: Prefer to do parsing in Syntax, have unicode-range return pair of integers rather than string
- # [18:04] * fantasai has two conflicting statements here, unsure which is correct
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- # [18:04] <SimonSapin> s/Prefer/Tab prefers/
- # [18:04] * fantasai thanks
- # [18:04] <Zakim> + +33.9.81.36.aaii
- # [18:05] <fantasai> fantasai: Well, I know we have implementations of the 2.1 tokenization
- # [18:05] <ChrisL> zakim, aaii is me
- # [18:05] <Zakim> +ChrisL; got it
- # [18:05] <fantasai> SimonSapin: They're not testable
- # [18:05] <fantasai> dbaron: Some cases can be tested via obscure counter-reset/increment declarations
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- # [18:06] <fantasai> dbaron: But don't think it's worth worrying about
- # [18:06] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
- # [18:06] <Rossen_> zakim, microsoft has me
- # [18:06] <Zakim> +Rossen_; got it
- # [18:06] <fantasai> dbaron: 2 questions - what is the desired behavior, and which spec?
- # [18:06] <fantasai> dbaron: So first, what's the desired behavior
- # [18:07] <fantasai> jdaggett: Desired behavior in terms of ... ?
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- # [18:07] <fantasai> dbaron: What are the differences in behavior that we're discussing
- # [18:07] <fantasai> SimonSapin: Fonts spec changed details of UNICODE-RANGE parsing in last WD
- # [18:07] <Zakim> + +1.212.318.aajj
- # [18:07] <fantasai> SimonSapin: e.g. ranges beyond Unicode used to be clipped, but are now invalid
- # [18:07] <jerenkrantz> zakim, aajj is me
- # [18:07] <Zakim> +jerenkrantz; got it
- # [18:07] <fantasai> jdaggett: How does that impact Syntax?
- # [18:07] <fantasai> SimonSapin: Because Syntax defines tokenization
- # [18:08] <SimonSapin> SimonSapin: Syntax used to do clipping in the tokenizer
- # [18:08] <fantasai> jdaggett: Only opposition is Tab, and he's not on the call atm
- # [18:08] <fantasai> SimonSapin: What came out of ML discussion was Tab, was compromise
- # [18:08] <fantasai> SimonSapin: Tokenizer would have pair of integers
- # [18:08] <fantasai> SimonSapin: Leave to fonts what to do with integers, depending on whether increasing/decreasing etc.
- # [18:08] <fantasai> SimonSapin: Just two integers given back
- # [18:09] <fantasai> jdaggett: impact of what we're talking about is whether parser takes something as UNICODE-RANGE or not
- # [18:09] <SimonSapin> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2013Sep/0019.html
- # [18:09] <Zakim> + +1.832.797.aakk
- # [18:09] <fantasai> jdaggett: Cases where author will want to use that syntax somewhere else is almost never
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- # [18:10] <fantasai> SimonSapin: Proposal is to remove part of syntax that defines unicode-range range restrictions
- # [18:10] * fantasai is biased towards Simon's position
- # [18:10] * fantasai rather than Tab
- # [18:11] <fantasai> plinss: Does this impact Fonts, which is going ot CR?
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- # [18:11] <SimonSapin> SimonSapin: ie. removing this section: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/csswg/raw-file/aa1b58939f73/css-syntax/Overview.html#set-the-unicode-ranges-range
- # [18:11] <fantasai> TabAtkins: Could remove stuff from Fonts spec, because covered by Syntax
- # [18:12] <fantasai> fantasai: Don't think we should be removing anything from Fonts spec, Syntax is kindof early stages, would like Fonts to be complete as of now.
- # [18:12] <fantasai> jdaggett agrees
- # [18:12] <fantasai> ChrisL: Don't want Fonts spec to change
- # [18:12] <fantasai> ChrisL: Given it's going to CR
- # [18:12] <fantasai> TabAtkins: UNICODE-RANGE in CSS2.1 accepts syntax that will never be needed/used
- # [18:12] <Zakim> +??P98
- # [18:13] <leif> Zakim, I am ??P98
- # [18:13] <Zakim> +leif; got it
- # [18:13] <fantasai> TabAtkins: Would like those cases to not parse as UNICODE-RANGE.
- # [18:13] <fantasai> TabAtkins: But fine with range-restrictions staying in Fonts spec
- # [18:13] <fantasai> ...
- # [18:13] <fantasai> TabAtkins: I would like to kill U+1?3
- # [18:14] <SimonSapin> examples of bad syntax: U+1?3, U+1?-30
- # [18:14] <fantasai> TabAtkins: Want to make that invalid at the tokenization level
- # [18:14] <fantasai> SimonSapin, I think the second one is already invalid in 2.1
- # [18:14] * ChrisL apologizes for the unicode range syntax in general. 'nicely terse' seemed a good idea at the time
- # [18:14] <SimonSapin> fantasai, it is valid in 2.1
- # [18:14] * leaverou ChrisL++
- # [18:14] <fantasai> plinss: Any other comments?
- # [18:15] <SimonSapin> 2.1’s definition: u\+[0-9a-f?]{1,6}(-[0-9a-f]{1,6})?
- # [18:15] <fantasai> fantasai: No changes to Fonts spec, right?
- # [18:15] <fantasai> right
- # [18:15] <fantasai> fantasai: So only question is whether UNICODE-RANGE uses the 2.1 syntax or Syntax syntax
- # [18:16] * leaverou ChrisL: I’m actually writing an email on that, as what I wanted to say is a bit off-topic for this discussion
- # [18:16] <fantasai> jdaggett: [talks about splitting definitions across specs]
- # [18:16] <fantasai> fantasai: If we're changing definition fo UNICODE-RANGE, we need to errata 2.1
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- # [18:17] <fantasai> fantasai: Can't have two different definitions depending which spec you read
- # [18:17] <fantasai> plinss: Anyone objecting to Tab's change?
- # [18:17] <fantasai> TabAtkins: Simon's proposal was to accept 2.1 syntax, and have Font's processing make things invalid
- # [18:18] <fantasai> SimonSapin: I'm fine with Tab's proposal as well
- # [18:18] <fantasai> fantasai: Only thing that bothers me is that we have implementations on the 2.1 tokenization
- # [18:18] <fantasai> fantasai: They'd have to go back and change
- # [18:19] <fantasai> TabAtkins: It's (for the most part) author-undetectable
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- # [18:19] <fantasai> Bert: I'd like to see the regex first, if that's ok
- # [18:19] * dbaron SimonSapin, http://dbaron.org/css/test/2013/urange-token shows detecting unicode-range with counter-increment
- # [18:20] <fantasai> TabAtkins: Ok, I will send to ML
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- # [18:21] <fantasai> RESOLVED: UNICODE-RANGE token changed (in Syntax & CSS2.1) to be more restrictive in what it takes, per Tab's proposal
- # [18:21] <fantasai> No changes to Fonts
- # [18:21] <jdaggett> http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css-fonts/doc-20130711-LCWD.html
- # [18:21] <fantasai> plinss: Fonts to CR?
- # [18:22] <fantasai> jdaggett: There was one outstanding issue on 'ordinals', but that got cleared up over ML with examples/pics
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- # [18:22] <fantasai> jdaggett: Question is, do we need another LC or go to CR?
- # [18:22] <fantasai> jdaggett: I don't think there's a huge impact on implementations from any of these changes
- # [18:22] <ChrisL> q+
- # [18:22] * Zakim sees ChrisL on the speaker queue
- # [18:23] <fantasai> jdaggett: Most significant change is removing 'auto' value
- # [18:23] <plinss> ack next
- # [18:23] * Zakim sees ChrisL at the head of the speaker queue
- # [18:23] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
- # [18:23] <fantasai> fantasai: I don't think we need to go through another LC, changes aren't very major
- # [18:24] <fantasai> ChrisL: Spec is currently listing everything as major changes, most are minor
- # [18:24] <fantasai> ChrisL: But several are substantial [lists]
- # [18:24] <fantasai> ChrisL: Reorder feature precedence, 'auto', etc.
- # [18:24] <fantasai> ChrisL: All these need to be addressed, and argue that they are minor
- # [18:25] <fantasai> ChrisL: I'd rather not do another LC
- # [18:25] <Zakim> +BradK
- # [18:25] <fantasai> jdaggett: Auto value was never implemented
- # [18:25] <fantasai> jdaggett: Not part of CSS2 spec
- # [18:26] <fantasai> jdaggett: Only removing a single value, that was never implemented
- # [18:27] <dbaron> I think ChrisL was saying that we need to argue that the changes weren't substantial in order to go from LC to CR.
- # [18:27] <dbaron> (for minutes)
- # [18:27] <dbaron> s/substantial/substantive/
- # [18:27] <fantasai> [process discussion]
- # [18:27] <ChrisL> http://services.w3.org/xslt?xmlfile=http://www.w3.org/2005/08/01-transitions.html&xslfile=http://www.w3.org/2005/08/transitions.xsl&docstatus=cr-tr
- # [18:27] <fantasai> jdaggett: So I should revise Changes section to not list changes as major
- # [18:28] <ChrisL> quote "Some reasons for declining a transition request
- # [18:28] <ChrisL> The technical report has been substantively modified since the previous transition. In this case, the document is returned to the Working Group for further work."
- # [18:29] <fantasai> jdaggett: Could also add an "impact" statement, to describe what the impact is on implementations
- # [18:29] <fantasai> jdaggett: For most of these, no impact, because there aren't implementations
- # [18:30] <fantasai> [discussion of how to style DoC]
- # [18:31] * SimonSapin Bert, TabAtkins: regexp equivalent of the proposed change to unicode-range: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2971826
- # [18:31] <fantasai> [more discussion of handling DoC]
- # [18:31] * Bert thanks simon
- # [18:31] <fantasai> ChrisL: I'm trying to be pre-emptively awkward here, to make the transition call go smoothly
- # [18:32] * SimonSapin Bert, oops, correction: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2971837
- # [18:32] <fantasai> plinss: I get your point Chris, and but for this point, i don't think this is worth taking up group time
- # [18:32] <fantasai> plinss: I'd rather take up 10 min of transition call time than 10 min of CSSWG telecon time
- # [18:32] <fantasai> plinss: Any objections to CR?
- # [18:32] <fantasai> SteveZ: Sent email this morning on 'ordinal' issue
- # [18:33] * TabAtkins SimonSapin Bert Yeah, I was drawing up a slightly different one, but it's functionally identical, and yours is somewhat clearer.
- # [18:33] <ChrisL> ok. socan we have a minuted decision to request CR followed by a transition request email
- # [18:33] <fantasai> SteveZ: I have no text that's there, just want to point out that there's an aspect of ordinals that is in the OT definition, that really no longer applies
- # [18:33] <ChrisL> I can help draft the transition request if that would help
- # [18:33] <fantasai> SteveZ: The original conception of 'ordinal' feature was that you could mark a paragraph, and it would ordinal everything that was number followed by letters
- # [18:33] <fantasai> SteveZ: Problem was that writing rules for all languages was troublessome
- # [18:34] <fantasai> SteveZ: So you need to apply the feature around just the numbers
- # [18:34] <fantasai> SteveZ: as the example shows
- # [18:34] <fantasai> SteveZ: Might want to say that in the text
- # [18:34] <fantasai> jdaggett: Don't think it's necessary
- # [18:34] <fantasai> jdaggett: I can add to the sentence within the example, just to indicate that it's not applied to the paragraph
- # [18:34] <fantasai> SteveZ: That sounds good to me
- # [18:35] <fantasai> SteveZ: Just want a warning to not apply it to the whole paragraph
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- # [18:35] <fantasai> jdaggett: Any objections to CR?
- # [18:35] <fantasai> fantasai: No, let's do it!
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- # [18:35] <ChrisL> none at all
- # [18:35] <fantasai> RESOLVED: Fonts Level 3 to CR
- # [18:36] <fantasai> ACTION ChrisL Send transition request
- # [18:36] * trackbot is creating a new ACTION.
- # [18:36] <trackbot> Created ACTION-576 - Send transition request [on Chris Lilley - due 2013-09-11].
- # [18:36] <fantasai> Topic: CSS Cascade
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- # [18:36] <fantasai> http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css-cascade/issues-lc-2013
- # [18:36] <ChrisL> rrsagent, draft minutes
- # [18:36] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/09/04-css-minutes.html ChrisL
- # [18:37] * glazou loves comment #3 in that list
- # [18:37] <fantasai> fantasai summarizes all the comments
- # [18:37] <glazou> go ahead!
- # [18:37] <fantasai> RESOLVED: Cascade L3 to CR
- # [18:38] <fantasai> Topic: text-combine-horizontal and font features
- # [18:38] * fantasai sent email to jdaggett on this just now
- # [18:38] * TabAtkins is switching phones, brb
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- # [18:39] * Bert has to leave
- # [18:39] <TabAtkins> zakim, aall is me
- # [18:39] <Zakim> +TabAtkins; got it
- # [18:39] <TabAtkins> zakim, aakk was me
- # [18:39] <Zakim> I don't understand 'aakk was me', TabAtkins
- # [18:40] <fantasai> fantasai: [summarizes discussion]
- # [18:40] <fantasai> jdaggett: I'm fine with that
- # [18:40] <fantasai> SteveZ: Can I raise a related issue?
- # [18:40] <fantasai> jdaggett: Can you raise it on the list?
- # [18:40] <fantasai> plinss: Will it impact this discussion?
- # [18:40] <fantasai> SteveZ: Don't know
- # [18:41] <fantasai> SteveZ: When I contacted Adobe font people about compression issue, they basically said "don't do that"
- # [18:41] <fantasai> SteveZ: So I had a private conversation with Koji, who said 'but we have to do that, because the WebKit based publication guide wants to be able to ensure that all their text fits within an em-square for body text'
- # [18:41] <fantasai> SteveZ: Issue I'm concerned about is making the default for text-combine do the compression
- # [18:41] <fantasai> SteveZ: Rather than have a property to turn it on
- # [18:42] <Zakim> -Bert
- # [18:42] <fantasai> SteveZ: Which would remove many of the cases that we seem to be stumbling over
- # [18:42] <fantasai> jdaggett: This issue is exactly what we discussed 1.5 years ago.
- # [18:42] <fantasai> jdaggett: We had a property to control it
- # [18:42] <fantasai> jdaggett: But seemed overkill to me
- # [18:42] <fantasai> jdaggett: Maybe post to the list, what you want
- # [18:42] <fantasai> jdaggett: We've added this property, and then took it out, and now you're leaning towards bringing it back
- # [18:43] <fantasai> SteveZ: What I want is not have the default be compression
- # [18:43] <dbaron> fantasai: reason default is compression for CSS and not for indesign is that in indesign author can see and tweak the result and will adjust it; in CSS author doesn't see it and doesn't know exactly where lines will break, etc.
- # [18:43] <dbaron> fantasai: important for publishers not to have overlap. Can't manually check with CSS. So better to force 1em compression so they can guarantee there's no conflict.
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- # [18:44] <ChrisL> rrsagent, make logs public
- # [18:44] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, ChrisL
- # [18:44] <ChrisL> rrsagent, draft minutes
- # [18:44] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/09/04-css-minutes.html ChrisL
- # [18:45] <fantasai> SteveZ: Use in headings usually doesn't result in conflicts
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- # [18:45] <fantasai> jdaggett: I'd like to capture the resolution that for now we take out the automatic disabling of full-width variants
- # [18:45] <fantasai> fantasai: As long as we are ok to reopen if we wind up with fonts that would benefit, I'm ok with that
- # [18:46] <fantasai> RESOLVED: TCY doesn't disable font-variant: full-width. Revisit if fonts start to become popular that would benefit from this extra interaction
- # [18:46] <fantasai> Topic: CSS3 Images
- # [18:47] <fantasai> Swapping order of color stop fixul
- # [18:47] <fantasai> TabAtkins: Gradients require color stops to be in order
- # [18:47] <fantasai> TabAtkins: If not, push later ones to position of next position
- # [18:47] <fantasai> TabAtkins: Rules for fixup right now they work, but result in weird ness for animations
- # [18:48] <smfr> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2013Aug/0296.html
- # [18:48] <fantasai> TabAtkins: Step 2-3 requires layout infos
- # [18:48] <fantasai> TabAtkins: Back when doing gradients, Shane suggested changing this
- # [18:48] <fantasai> TabAtkins: I think we shot this down because fatigued with gradient changes
- # [18:48] <fantasai> TabAtkins: But should revisit
- # [18:48] <fantasai> TabAtkins: Small change
- # [18:48] <fantasai> TabAtkins: Rendering change is fairly minor
- # [18:48] <fantasai> TabAtkins: And not likely to be many cases affected
- # [18:49] <fantasai> TabAtkins: So Suggest swapping order of steps, so that can transition gradients without requiring layout
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- # [18:49] <Zakim> -jdaggett
- # [18:49] <fantasai> rhauck: Any specific examples that would change?
- # [18:49] * fantasai thanks jdaggett
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- # [18:49] <leaverou> s/rhauck/Lea/
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- # [18:49] <fantasai> sorry :)
- # [18:49] <TabAtkins> http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css-images/#color-stop-syntax
- # [18:49] * leaverou np :)
- # [18:50] <fantasai> florian: If we do this, should go into L3
- # [18:50] * jdaggett is now known as jdaggett|zzzz
- # [18:50] <TabAtkins> linear-gradient(red 100px, blue 0px, white, yellow 200px)
- # [18:50] <TabAtkins> currently, fixup moved the blue one first, then figures out the white positino, so you get
- # [18:50] <fantasai> krit: We don't order when we have transitions
- # [18:50] <fantasai> ?
- # [18:50] <fantasai> krit: Asking, you asked to move the ordering step to the last possible way
- # [18:50] <fantasai> krit: When you have transitions, you do not order the color stops
- # [18:51] <fantasai> TabAtkins: Correct
- # [18:51] <fantasai> TabAtkins: You position first/last stops and interpolate
- # [18:51] <fantasai> TabAtkins: Then at layout time do the stop fixup
- # [18:51] <TabAtkins> so currently, you end up with red 100px, blue 100px, white 150px, yellow 200px.
- # [18:51] <fantasai> krit: Ok, I'm fine with this
- # [18:51] <TabAtkins> With my change, you'd end up with red 100px, blue 0px, white 100px, yellow 200px
- # [18:51] <TabAtkins> and at layout, it'd be fixed up to red 100px, blue 100px, white 100px, yellow 200px.
- # [18:51] <TabAtkins> but you'd do transitions with the prior one
- # [18:52] <fantasai> Leif: Given implications of this, I think I'd like some time to review
- # [18:52] <fantasai> TabAtkins: Ok
- # [18:52] <fantasai> plinss: Come to back to this for F2F/
- # [18:52] <fantasai> Topic: CSS3 MQ Errata
- # [18:52] <Zakim> -Lea
- # [18:52] <fantasai> dbaron: There was a thread, someone pointed out obvious mistake in 2 places
- # [18:53] <fantasai> dbaron: Mistake is in REC errata
- # [18:53] <fantasai> florian: I've updated MQ4, asked plh to update errata
- # [18:53] <fantasai> plh: Haven't processed email yet, but should be done today
- # [18:53] <fantasai> florian: Ok, thanks!
- # [18:53] <fantasai> florian: As for folding them into MQ and publishing updated REC, we thought to wait awhile to do that.
- # [18:53] <fantasai> florian: Maybe we'll run into more issues
- # [18:54] <fantasai> florian: Maybe wait until end of year
- # [18:54] <fantasai> fantasai: Maybe aim for TPAC
- # [18:54] * leaverou sorry, dropped off and can't rejoin :( Still trying
- # [18:54] * fantasai it's blocked now, bc 5 min left
- # [18:54] * leaverou :(
- # [18:54] <fantasai> fantasai: Put it on TPAC agenda, assign any relevant action items then
- # [18:55] <fantasai> plinss: F2F next week, please add your items to agenda so we can use time productively!
- # [18:55] <Zakim> -BradK
- # [18:55] <Zakim> -rhauck
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- # [18:55] <fantasai> plinss: See you all next week
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- # [19:28] <SimonSapin> TabAtkins: Bikeshed gives me "FATAL ERROR: No 'type' refs found for '<unicode-range>'."
- # [19:29] <SimonSapin> I’m using <<<unicode-range>>> in the source
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- # [19:38] <SimonSapin> TabAtkins: oh, got it. I had <<<unicode-range>>, missing one >
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- # [20:11] <TabAtkins> SimonSapin: Yup, note the error message - it was looking for a "type" def, not a "token" def, which indicates you got the syntax-guesser confused.
- # [20:11] <SimonSapin> ah, <<foo>> is a type. Got it
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- # [22:02] <fantasai> TabAtkins, SimonSapin: Does bikeshed use biblio.ref or what?
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- # [22:02] <fantasai> TabAtkins, SimonSapin: Because it's got out-of-date references to css3-conditional.
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- # [22:53] <fantasai> Bert: I'm going to set up Grid Layout for publication, if you can help the webmaster set it up tomorrow, that would be great!
- # [22:53] <fantasai> Bert: want to get it up before the f2f
- # [22:53] * fantasai wanted to add some more examples before publishing, but didn't get to it over the weekend :(
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- # [23:13] <SimonSapin> fantasai: I think it uses its own copy of data from biblio.ref: https://github.com/tabatkins/bikeshed/blob/master/spec-data/specs.json
- # [23:13] <SimonSapin> I don’t know exactly how to update it
- # [23:15] <fantasai> :/
- # [23:15] <SimonSapin> well no, it’s not that file
- # [23:15] <SimonSapin> but it’s still cached: https://github.com/tabatkins/bikeshed/blob/7ab832578ff9bae4729f24d3700dccb05a5f7b74/bikeshed.py#L1019
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- # [23:18] <SimonSapin> fantasai: https://github.com/tabatkins/bikeshed/blob/master/biblio.refer
- # [23:19] <SimonSapin> it’s supposed to update itself if you remove the file, except that doesn’t work because https://www.w3.org/Style/Group/css3-src/biblio.ref is Member-only and requires a password…
- # [23:19] <SimonSapin> this really shouldn’t be Member-only
- # [23:24] <fantasai> agreed
- # [23:24] <SimonSapin> wrote to w3c-css-wg
- # [23:24] <fantasai> Do you have write access to update Tab's copy?
- # [23:25] <SimonSapin> no, but I can make a pull request
- # [23:25] <SimonSapin> I’ll do that
- # [23:25] <fantasai> ok
- # [23:25] * fantasai thinks Tab should give you write access :)
- # [23:26] <SimonSapin> I would still appreciate reviews for code changes, but for things like this yes.
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- # [23:32] <SimonSapin> fantasai: https://github.com/tabatkins/bikeshed/pull/24
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- # [23:54] <TabAtkins> Yeah, specs.json is a reformatted version of Shepherd's spec knowledge.
- # [23:55] <TabAtkins> And I've already sent a nagging email to move biblio.ref to somewhere public. :/
- # [23:57] <SimonSapin> plinss: would it be doable to set up a copy somewhere on csswg.org?
- # [23:58] <SimonSapin> I mean set up the scripts to keep it up to date
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The end :)