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  1. # Session Start: Tue Oct 29 00:00:00 2013
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  45. # [08:40] <krit> zcorpan_: ping
  46. # [08:40] <zcorpan> krit: pong
  47. # [08:44] <krit> zcorpan_: Leafing the message here. Did we resolve on DOM*ReadOnly APIs? Last time I checked, there were doubts about this.
  48. # [08:46] <zcorpan> i don't know if there was a resolution. there were some concerns with the current setup, but nothing better proposed i think
  49. # [08:49] <heycam> I thought it was DOMRectView
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  52. # [09:09] <zcorpan> the spec still has DOMRectReadOnly
  53. # [09:10] <zcorpan> but maybe DOMRectView was a better proposal
  54. # [09:15] <krit> zcorpan: I think the problem was more that DOMRect inherited from DOMRectReadOnly
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  56. # [09:16] <krit> zcorpan: so when you asked if DOMRect is of type DOMRectReadOnly, it returned true
  57. # [09:16] <zcorpan> right
  58. # [09:16] <krit> zcorpan: so it was less of a problem of the name
  59. # [09:16] <krit> zcorpan: or was DOMRectView the proposed solution?
  60. # [09:17] <krit> zcorpan: I assume I would be fine with that. If so, I would like to have a resolution ASAP
  61. # [09:17] <zcorpan> yeah, but i agree renaming doesn't remove the fundamental problem
  62. # [09:17] <krit> zcorpan: right
  63. # [09:17] <krit> zcorpan:
  64. # [09:18] <krit> zcorpan: at least View does not give you the impression that it must be read only
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  66. # [09:19] <zcorpan> indeed. but given how people write code for the web, it's hard to reason about what will result in less bugs in practice
  67. # [09:19] <krit> zcorpan: I assume a NoInterface object that provides the data for the common types could be another solultion. But it would make it more complex and IMO isn’t prefered to having two totaly separate interfaces
  68. # [09:20] <krit> zcorpan: DOMRect could have a CTOR that takes DOMRectReadOnly and both would be separate interfaces
  69. # [09:21] <krit> (then ReadOnly would be right again IMO)
  70. # [09:21] <zcorpan> yeah the spec has already had separate interfaces (and a common NoInterfaceObject interface) :-)
  71. # [09:22] <zcorpan> a problem with separate interfaces is that you have to do two instanceof checks if you want to know it's a rect but don't care about the readonlyness
  72. # [09:27] <zcorpan> and this is basically where the discussion ended on the list, iirc
  73. # [09:28] <krit> zcorpan: right, but can an inherited object *remove* defined properties of the parent?
  74. # [09:28] <zcorpan> no
  75. # [09:29] <krit> zcorpan: if that is not possible (and I don’t know how it could be), then we just have the two choices: 1) go with separate interfaces 2) Go with DOM*View and the inheirtance IMO
  76. # [09:32] <krit> zcorpan: let me know what you would prefer and we can suggest it to the CSS WG
  77. # [09:33] <krit> zcorpan: need to leave ...
  78. # [09:50] <SimonSapin> oh noes
  79. # [09:50] <SimonSapin> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/csswg/ gives 500s when showing diffs
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  106. # [17:22] <SimonSapin> TabAtkins: http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css-syntax/#issue-7c28d1bb is not actually an issue in Syntax, is it?
  107. # [17:22] <SimonSapin> possibly an issue on other specs
  108. # [17:22] <SimonSapin> or should Syntax have normative text that override other specs?
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  110. # [17:24] <Ms2ger> SimonSapin, "should probably be translated into normative text in the relevant specs"
  111. # [17:24] <Ms2ger> Sounds like it's for other specs
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  123. # [18:32] <TabAtkins> SimonSapin: Yeah, it's not really a Syntax issue.
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  125. # [18:35] <SimonSapin> TabAtkins: I’m trying to resolve issues in order to ask for LC, what should we do with this one?
  126. # [18:36] <TabAtkins> Shift it to a Note.
  127. # [19:04] <SimonSapin> eh, I didn’t want to trigger a bikeshed on a feature we’re deferring
  128. # [19:04] <SimonSapin> not even a feature, syntax support for features we don’t have yet
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  135. # [19:39] <SimonSapin> TabAtkins: zero issues. Shall we ask for LC
  136. # [19:39] <SimonSapin> ?
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  138. # [19:43] <SimonSapin> the rsync script messed up and dev.w3.org does not have all the changes dvcs.w3.org has
  139. # [19:44] <Ms2ger> plinss, ^
  140. # [19:44] <SimonSapin> I suppose the next push will fix it
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  150. # [21:16] <TabAtkins> SimonSapin: Yeah, let's.
  151. # [21:19] <fantasai> SimonSapin: Publish WD this week, then ask for LC on the WD
  152. # [21:19] <fantasai> SimonSapin: People will want time to review. Best to have the WD up so you get aske even more people to review
  153. # [21:20] <fantasai> SimonSapin: You have a changes section up-to-date?
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  164. # [22:05] <SimonSapin> fantasai: I’ll add Changes since previous WD, but it’s only the Environment encoding stuff, which I would argue is only editorial
  165. # [22:05] <SimonSapin> should I keep around the existing Changes section?
  166. # [22:05] <SimonSapin> ie. changes since CSS 2.1
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  168. # [22:05] <SimonSapin> fantasai: is it really useful to do another WD before LC?
  169. # [22:06] <SimonSapin> also, does "closing this issue without changes" needs a WG resolution?
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  173. # [23:02] <SimonSapin> fantasai: what’s the point of another WD before LCWD?
  174. # [23:02] <SimonSapin> especially with so few changes since the previous WD
  175. # [23:03] <SimonSapin> this list is complete: http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css-syntax/#changes-WD-20130919
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  180. # [23:50] <fantasai> SimonSapin: Getting a wider announcement for people to review and send comments while you ask the WG to review pre-LC :)
  181. # [23:51] <fantasai> SimonSapin: WG gets a heads-up, why not everyone else
  182. # [23:52] <SimonSapin> I write about pre-LC to www-style, going through the publication dance doesn’t seem worth it
  183. # [23:53] <fantasai> ok
  184. # [23:53] * fantasai would like to hold some W3C Staff member hostage until they fix the publication process, would that work?
  185. # [23:53] <SimonSapin> hehe
  186. # [23:54] <SimonSapin> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/spec-prod/2013OctDec/0029.html looks good
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  188. # [23:58] <fantasai> SimonSapin: Sounds pretty close to what I had in mind
  189. # [23:58] <fantasai> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/spec-prod/2013JulSep/0003.html
  190. # [23:59] <SimonSapin> yes
  191. # [23:59] <fantasai> SimonSapin: Let's find the webmaster at TPAC and hold him hostage? :)
  192. # [23:59] <SimonSapin> I wonder what’s actionable to make this move forward
  193. # [23:59] * fantasai can bring rope
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