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  1. # Session Start: Wed Oct 30 00:00:00 2013
  2. # Session Ident: #css
  3. # [00:00] <fantasai> SimonSapin: Hacking W3C's main server and setting up a cron job ? :)
  4. # [00:00] * fantasai is being silly
  5. # [00:05] <fantasai> Let's do a Wednesday TPAC session on logistics, one in the morning to set up plans, and one in the afternoon to assign actions and work out details.
  6. # [00:05] <fantasai> I'm happy to take the lead on that with darobin.
  7. # [00:06] <SimonSapin> cool
  8. # [00:06] <fantasai> And then we'll hostage the webmaster on Thursday to implement it :)
  9. # [00:06] * fantasai has nothing better to do on Thursday than sit in the HTMLWG f2f, so can supervise the hostage-taking
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  23. # [01:49] <fantasai> krit: THANK YOU SO MUCH for making all the announcements for Masking 1 :D
  24. # [02:06] * fantasai especially since I apparently fail at making announcements correctly v_v;;
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  92. # [16:46] <glazou> RRSAgent, make logs public
  93. # [16:46] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, glazou
  94. # [16:47] <glazou> Zakim, this will be Style
  95. # [16:47] <Zakim> ok, glazou; I see Style_CSS FP()12:00PM scheduled to start in 10 minutes
  96. # [16:49] <glazou> abinader, welcome :-)
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  99. # [16:50] <abinader> glazou: hi Daniel :-) hi everyone!
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  101. # [16:51] <glazou> Regrets: zcorpan
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  103. # [16:51] <glazou> On IRC only: abinader
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  107. # [16:53] <glazou> hi dael
  108. # [16:53] <dael> Hi glazou
  109. # [16:53] <glazou> copying what I said above for you; regrets: zcorpan ; on IRC only: abinader
  110. # [16:53] <Zakim> Style_CSS FP()12:00PM has now started
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  112. # [16:53] <Zakim> +dael
  113. # [16:53] <Zakim> +??P11
  114. # [16:53] <dael> Got it, thank you!
  115. # [16:54] <glazou> Zakim, ??P11 is me
  116. # [16:54] <Zakim> +glazou; got it
  117. # [16:54] <Zakim> +plinss
  118. # [16:54] <TabAtkins> Ugh, I'm all out of sorts on timing. Regrets for today, but agenda+ to publish a new WD of Grid, as fantasai and I completed the ftf edits yesterday.
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  120. # [16:54] <glazou> ok TabAtkins
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  122. # [16:55] <renoirb> Hi, I'd like to join
  123. # [16:55] <Zakim> +[Adobe]
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  125. # [16:55] <michou1> Zakim: [Adobe] is me
  126. # [16:55] <glazou> Zakim, [Adobe] has michou
  127. # [16:55] <Zakim> +michou; got it
  128. # [16:55] <Zakim> +Stearns
  129. # [16:55] <Zakim> +SylvaIng
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  131. # [16:56] <Zakim> +??P22
  132. # [16:56] <glazou> renoirb, you're CSS WG member ?
  133. # [16:56] <Zakim> +hober
  134. # [16:56] <Zakim> -??P22
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  137. # [16:56] <renoirb> No, W3C team
  138. # [16:56] <glazou> renoirb, fine then
  139. # [16:56] <Zakim> +BradK
  140. # [16:56] <Zakim> + +1.917.207.aaaa
  141. # [16:56] <glazou> Zakim, code?
  142. # [16:56] <Zakim> the conference code is 78953 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), glazou
  143. # [16:56] <renoirb> I'll listen.
  144. # [16:56] <glazou> ok np
  145. # [16:56] <dauwhe> zakim, aaaa is dauwhe.
  146. # [16:56] <Zakim> +dauwhe; got it
  147. # [16:57] * michou1 glazou, does it have to be a comman (and not a colon) for Zakim to recognize the command? Or is it because of has vs. is?
  148. # [16:57] <Zakim> +??P35
  149. # [16:57] <SimonSapin> Zakim, ??P35 is me
  150. # [16:57] <Zakim> +SimonSapin; got it
  151. # [16:57] <Zakim> +??P22
  152. # [16:57] <renoirb> Zakim, +??P22 is Renoir
  153. # [16:57] <Zakim> sorry, renoirb, I do not recognize a party named '+??P22'
  154. # [16:57] <glazou> Zakim, ?P22 is renoirb
  155. # [16:57] <Zakim> sorry, glazou, I do not recognize a party named '?P22'
  156. # [16:57] <glazou> Zakim, ??P22 is renoirb
  157. # [16:57] <Zakim> +renoirb; got it
  158. # [16:57] <Zakim> +BrianKardell
  159. # [16:58] <Zakim> +??P42
  160. # [16:58] <glazou> Zakim, ??P42 is leif
  161. # [16:58] <Zakim> +leif; got it
  162. # [16:58] <Zakim> +??P40
  163. # [16:58] <Zakim> +dbaron
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  166. # [16:58] <Zakim> +fantasai
  167. # [16:58] <renoirb> glazou: I asked to join during TPAC though
  168. # [16:59] <antonp> Zakim, why are you slow today?
  169. # [16:59] <Zakim> I don't understand your question, antonp.
  170. # [16:59] <glazou> Zakim, ??P40 is antonp
  171. # [16:59] <Zakim> +antonp; got it
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  173. # [16:59] <Zakim> +krit
  174. # [16:59] <BradK> Poor Zakim.
  175. # [16:59] <Zakim> +smfr
  176. # [16:59] <Zakim> +Bert
  177. # [17:00] <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
  178. # [17:00] <dael> glazou: Let's start
  179. # [17:00] <koji> zakim, [ipcaller] is me
  180. # [17:00] <Zakim> +koji; got it
  181. # [17:00] <Zakim> +ChrisL
  182. # [17:00] <dael> glazou: First things, extra items?
  183. # [17:01] <dael> glazou: Okay, nothing.
  184. # [17:01] <dael> glazou: you may have noticed Samsung joined the WG
  185. # [17:01] <ChrisL> agenda+ reminder that CSS Style Attrs is in Proposed Rec, review ends *tomorrow*
  186. # [17:01] * Zakim notes agendum 1 added
  187. # [17:01] <dael> glazou: There's 3 of us. W3C will reappoint me as cochair on behalf of Samsung
  188. # [17:01] <dael> glazou: may take a few days b/c tpac
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  191. # [17:02] <dael> glazou: CR for Shapes needs reps to votes
  192. # [17:02] <Zakim> +[Bloomberg]
  193. # [17:02] <dael> glazou: Please remind them to do it today
  194. # [17:02] <glazou> s/Shapes/Style Attributes
  195. # [17:02] <astearns> s/Shapes/Style Attrs/
  196. # [17:02] <dael> s/shapes.styles
  197. # [17:02] <jerenkrantz> Zakim, Bloomberg has me
  198. # [17:02] <Zakim> +jerenkrantz; got it
  199. # [17:02] <dbaron> s/CR/PR/
  200. # [17:02] <dael> glazou: Is szilles on call?
  201. # [17:02] <dael> glazou: Not yet
  202. # [17:02] <dael> Topic: Syntax Lvl 3 LC
  203. # [17:02] <dael> glazou: SimonSapin hit by the winter
  204. # [17:02] <dael> SimonSapin: Sorry.
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  206. # [17:03] <dael> SimonSapin: Let me find the link
  207. # [17:03] <glazou> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-css-wg/2013OctDec/0134.html
  208. # [17:03] <SimonSapin> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-css-wg/2013OctDec/0134.html
  209. # [17:03] <dael> SimonSapin: We had a few remaining issues in yntax
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  211. # [17:03] <dael> SimonSapin: I think 2 are worth mentioning
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  213. # [17:03] * Zakim hears leif's hand up
  214. # [17:03] * Zakim sees leif on the speaker queue
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  217. # [17:03] <dael> SimonSapin: The first that I edited the funtioning of the referencing documents and attributes
  218. # [17:04] <dael> SimonSapin: The spec chooses CSS and ref. to style sheets is required to defined the syntax
  219. # [17:04] <dael> SimonSapin: Two of those go into respective spec.
  220. # [17:04] <Zakim> +Lea
  221. # [17:04] <dael> SimonSapin: In partictuar in casscared it's defined. I don't know if we can move def. w/o going out of CR
  222. # [17:04] <dael> glazou: Since it add, prob. not
  223. # [17:04] <dael> fantasai: Is it adding or claifying?
  224. # [17:04] <dael> SimonSapin: It's moving the definition, but it's one sentence
  225. # [17:05] <Zakim> +SteveZ
  226. # [17:05] <dael> fantasai: prob. okay as a errata
  227. # [17:05] <ChrisL> do you supply suggested text? If so I will check that SVG has that text.
  228. # [17:05] <SimonSapin> http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css-syntax/#environment-encoding-at-import
  229. # [17:05] <dael> fantasai: Keep in syntax and move into cascards
  230. # [17:05] <dael> ???: Depends on if it's new
  231. # [17:05] <dael> ...: New not doable in erratta
  232. # [17:05] <glazou> s/???/ChrisL
  233. # [17:05] <dael> SimonSapin: The definition is that the new topic is defined as style sheets.
  234. # [17:05] <dael> SimonSapin: It's not new, just moving
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  236. # [17:05] <dael> ChrisL: Why move?
  237. # [17:06] <dael> SimonSapin: It was previously defined in ref. to HTML, it shouldbe in CSS
  238. # [17:06] <dael> SimonSapin: We have 3 cases of style sheets being used my something else. HTML, XHTML and CSS
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  240. # [17:06] <dael> ChrisL: I understand
  241. # [17:06] <SimonSapin> s/XHTML/XML/
  242. # [17:06] <dael> ChrisL: And it's currently in CR?
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  245. # [17:07] <dbaron> Zakim, mute SteveZ
  246. # [17:07] <Zakim> SteveZ should now be muted
  247. # [17:07] <dael> ChrisL: We don't want someing to go from CR to LC
  248. # [17:07] * tantek is excited for the process updates
  249. # [17:07] <dael> ChrisL: Have there been other changes that would prompt it going to LC?
  250. # [17:07] * tantek plans on putting CSS3-UI through it ASAP
  251. # [17:07] * ChrisL is pretty bored by them too
  252. # [17:07] <dael> dbaron: Can we move it from one thing to another once they're both CR?
  253. # [17:07] * sgalineau never expected he'd also say he's excited about process
  254. # [17:07] <dael> SimonSapin: If we can't it can stay for now
  255. # [17:07] * tantek is tired of the LC-CR-LC dance loop
  256. # [17:08] <dael> ChrisL: I'm trying to avoid the dance between CR and LC
  257. # [17:08] <dael> ChrisL: I'd rather leave as-is and fix it later.
  258. # [17:08] <dael> ChrisL: It's not changing impl
  259. # [17:08] <dael> ChrisL: It's not making it cleaner or simplier
  260. # [17:08] * sgalineau tantek, yes, there is something to be said for 'last' meaning 'last'
  261. # [17:08] <dael> ChrisL: Would be better to say future version should define and the def should be thus
  262. # [17:08] <dael> ChrisL: It's cleaner and everyone know what it means
  263. # [17:08] <dael> ChrisL: I don't want to see this add 4 weeks
  264. # [17:09] <tantek> there's no such thing as "last" in standards.
  265. # [17:09] <dael> ChrisL: On the other hant, the others are HTML
  266. # [17:09] <tantek> except :last :D
  267. # [17:09] <dael> ChrisL: Is there specific text we can add over and do we know HTML5 is adding the correct text?
  268. # [17:09] <dael> fantasai: I think we should leave until everything updated and then change
  269. # [17:09] <dael> SimonSapin: I suspect HTML5 will have correc text
  270. # [17:09] <SimonSapin> http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css-syntax/#environment-encoding-html
  271. # [17:09] <dael> ChrisL: If you have spec. text, mail it to HTML5 WG
  272. # [17:10] <SimonSapin> http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css-syntax/#environment-encoding-xml
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  274. # [17:10] * sgalineau in standards the last man standing never dies
  275. # [17:10] <dael> ChrisL: Once it's in the right place, we can make sure to reference it to define it
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  277. # [17:10] <dael> SimonSapin: Is it just the XTML version that defines style sheets?
  278. # [17:10] <dael> ChrisL: Not, it all does
  279. # [17:10] <dael> SimonSapin: Does it have way to inc exteral?
  280. # [17:10] <dael> ChrisL: Yes, it does
  281. # [17:10] <dael> SimonSapin: I have text for XML
  282. # [17:11] <dael> SimonSapin: I'l do HTML as well
  283. # [17:11] <dael> glazou: Ok
  284. # [17:11] <dael> SimonSapin: That's it for this issue
  285. # [17:11] <dael> SimonSapin: Other issue is we had a prop to generalize !impotortant
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  288. # [17:11] <dael> SimonSapin: An idea ot use that for custome properties
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  291. # [17:11] <dael> SimonSapin: I suggest to defer until we have something that would use the feature
  292. # [17:12] <dael> SimonSapin: There's concensious on ML
  293. # [17:12] <dbaron> Zakim, unmute SteveZ
  294. # [17:12] <Zakim> SteveZ should no longer be muted
  295. # [17:12] <dael> s/concensious/concensious to defer
  296. # [17:12] <astearns> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2013Oct/0677.html
  297. # [17:12] <dael> glazou: Other opinions?
  298. # [17:12] <sgalineau> s/concensious/consensus
  299. # [17:12] <dbaron> s/concensious/consensus/
  300. # [17:12] <dael> glazou: None. Let's defer for time being
  301. # [17:12] <dael> SimonSapin: Then I'd like to ask for LC working draft
  302. # [17:13] <dael> glazou: Tab sent regrets and I think he said +1.
  303. # [17:13] <dael> glazou: Sorry, that was for Grid
  304. # [17:13] <dael> SimonSapin: I talked with Tab and he was fine with it
  305. # [17:13] <dael> glazou: Other opinions? I'm in favor
  306. # [17:13] <sgalineau> no objection
  307. # [17:13] <Bert> ditto
  308. # [17:13] <dael> glazou: no objections?
  309. # [17:14] <bkardell> +1
  310. # [17:14] <dael> RESOLVED: Move Syntax to LC
  311. # [17:14] <dael> fantasai: We need a period and which groups to contact
  312. # [17:14] <dael> SimonSapin: This is a frst time for me, don't know how time works
  313. # [17:14] * sgalineau rolls the Last Call period dice
  314. # [17:14] <dael> glazou: We're under TPAC morritorium I think
  315. # [17:14] <dael> fantasai: I think we can public before TPAC
  316. # [17:15] <dael> fantasai: but I'd rec a longer period
  317. # [17:15] <dael> fantasai: sug. 6 weeks
  318. # [17:15] <dael> fantasai: need to contact HTML and ???
  319. # [17:15] <dael> glazou: HTML too
  320. # [17:15] <SimonSapin> s/???/SVG/
  321. # [17:15] <fantasai> s/public/publish/
  322. # [17:15] <dael> s/HTML/XML
  323. # [17:15] <dael> glazou: Other suggestions?
  324. # [17:16] <dael> fantasai: Should internalization for incoding, but I suspect getting ??? to review is fine
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  326. # [17:16] <dael> SimonSapin: I've been talking with her, I think he's fine, but I can ping him again
  327. # [17:16] <dael> ??: I can also take an action to review
  328. # [17:16] <SimonSapin> s/her/him (annevk)/
  329. # [17:16] <glazou> s/??/dirk
  330. # [17:16] <dael> glazou: Let's do SVG, HTML, XML and internationalization with 6 weeks
  331. # [17:17] <dael> RESOLVED: contact SVG, HTML, XML and internationalization with 6 weeks
  332. # [17:17] <dael> glazou: Bert, will you handle publishing?
  333. # [17:17] <dael> Bert: I can't do tomorrow, but Tuesday
  334. # [17:17] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  335. # [17:17] <dael> Bert: I can take it
  336. # [17:17] <dael> Topic: W3C Process Change
  337. # [17:17] <israelh> Microsoft has israelh
  338. # [17:17] <dael> szilles: I wanted to give heads up that a new draft of chapter 7 has been sent to chairs at AC for LC comments
  339. # [17:18] <dael> ...: This new draft is in responce to issues raised by members of WGs, inc CSS
  340. # [17:18] <SimonSapin> Zakim, [Microsoft] has israelh
  341. # [17:18] <Zakim> +israelh; got it
  342. # [17:18] <dael> ...: Main change is get rid of LC and CR, and create ac ombination
  343. # [17:18] <dael> ..: Has 2 implications.
  344. # [17:18] <glazou> comments on chapter 7 requested before nov-27
  345. # [17:18] <ChrisL> its a good change, I like it
  346. # [17:18] <dael> ...: Now an obligation to get wide review prior to the step
  347. # [17:19] <dael> ...: There's no particular LC draft, just a series of WD
  348. # [17:19] <dael> ...: Figuring out a way of document that needs to be done
  349. # [17:19] <dael> ...: Part of what is to go into status which indicates major changes in each WD.
  350. # [17:19] <dael> ....: The one for wide review would say we're basically done
  351. # [17:19] <fantasai> Putting anything into the Status section is almost like not putting it in at all...
  352. # [17:19] <dael> ...: 2nd implication is
  353. # [17:19] <SimonSapin> +1 fantasai
  354. # [17:19] <dael> ..: We said the prefixes can be dropped in CR
  355. # [17:20] <dael> ...: That's not a big deal but we need to think of what doing that in LCish events means
  356. # [17:20] <dael> ...: Third question is that we will need to trnaslate started documents.
  357. # [17:20] <ChrisL> it sounds like we should drop prefixes when we move to the new LC-CR-PR stage
  358. # [17:20] <dael> ...: It's not a good thing for what we've put in LC already
  359. # [17:20] <dael> ...: We need to know how to trans to new process
  360. # [17:21] <dael> ...: The main change is going into that last step
  361. # [17:21] <dael> ...: Intenet wasn't to shake up, it was to make it poss. to do more things in parallel
  362. # [17:21] <dael> ...:Get testing going on through life of spec
  363. # [17:21] <dael> ...:With that I can answer questions
  364. # [17:21] * sgalineau thinks the status section contains much that is not status at all
  365. # [17:21] <dael> ChrisL: Sounds like if we're keeping prefixes, we should drop at ne LCCR stage
  366. # [17:21] <dael> szilles: that would be my assumption
  367. # [17:22] * fantasai agrees with sylvain
  368. # [17:22] * SimonSapin is it time to discuss the prefixing policy?
  369. # [17:22] * leaverou thought we weren't keeping prefixes :S
  370. # [17:22] <dael> glazou: Since vendors are moving away from prefixes
  371. # [17:22] * sgalineau it should be 1-3 lines. the rest could/should be at the bottom of the doc
  372. # [17:22] <dael> glazou: and impl preferences instead
  373. # [17:22] * fantasai sgalineau +1
  374. # [17:22] * leaverou sgalineau++
  375. # [17:22] <dael> glazou: Would this be valid in both vendors opinions?
  376. # [17:22] <ChrisL> KILL ALL THE PREFIXES!!!! get your pitchforks and torches
  377. # [17:22] <dael> ??: I think that's independent of either approach
  378. # [17:22] * leaverou sgalineau: there was a spec redesign effort, fantasai was on it
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  380. # [17:22] <dael> glazou: But unfortunatly it doesn't always work like that
  381. # [17:22] * sgalineau -webkit-pitchfork: auto;
  382. # [17:23] <dael> ??: I'm not on IRC so I can't see comments
  383. # [17:23] <astearns> s/??/szilles/
  384. # [17:23] <dael> glazou: Other questions or comments?
  385. # [17:23] * dbaron doesn't expect people will get the pitchforks and torches through airport security
  386. # [17:23] * sgalineau leaverou, ah yes, I forgot about that. MUST MAKE IT HAPPEN. I guess we have the occasion.
  387. # [17:23] <dael> szilles: I think it would be good to spend time at F2F to see what we'd do with drafts
  388. # [17:23] <dael> glazou: It's a good F2F topic, but limit to an hour
  389. # [17:23] <dael> szilles: I'd say a half hour
  390. # [17:23] <dael> glazou: fine
  391. # [17:23] <dael> glazou: No more comments?
  392. # [17:24] <dael> glazou: thanks Steve
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  394. # [17:24] * ChrisL half an hour, so less than 30 seconds per spec
  395. # [17:24] <dael> Topic: status of specs
  396. # [17:24] * sgalineau will miss jdaggett :(
  397. # [17:24] <dael> glazou: I'd like ChrisL and mozilla to talk about his specs
  398. # [17:24] <dael> dbaron: I believ fonts is in CR
  399. # [17:24] <dael> dbaron: So the next set of work is to get a test suite
  400. # [17:25] <dael> dbaron: I think that's...I'd like to ty and do work at test the web forward
  401. # [17:25] <dael> dbaron: It'll have to be someone collaborative
  402. # [17:25] <dael> dbaron: I don't htink one person making a suite is good
  403. # [17:25] <dael> glazou: Is anyone at mozilla able to contr.?
  404. # [17:25] <dael> dbaron: I'm not in posision to make commitments?
  405. # [17:25] <dael> ??: Anyone else on CSS Fonts?
  406. # [17:25] <dael> fantasai: No
  407. # [17:25] <astearns> s/??/krit/
  408. # [17:26] <dael> ??: Who would maintina Font comments?
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  410. # [17:26] <glazou> s/??/krit
  411. # [17:26] <dael> ChrisL: I'll be test suite leader and we should maintain disposition of comments and I'm willing to do that too
  412. # [17:26] <dael> glazou: Thank you ChrisL
  413. # [17:26] <dael> glazou: This was Font
  414. # [17:26] <dael> glazou: What about the others?
  415. # [17:26] <dael> dbaron: What are the others?
  416. # [17:26] <dael> glazou: Writing Modes, he was contr. a lot
  417. # [17:27] <ChrisL> text and writing modes
  418. # [17:27] <dael> dbaron: I don't believe he was an editor
  419. # [17:27] <dael> dbaron: There were a bunch of long running debates
  420. # [17:27] <dael> dbaron: I'm not sure what the expectation you have is about those debates
  421. # [17:27] <dael> glazou: Mozilla's input was quite imp. Is there anyone else to contrib. to this debate?
  422. # [17:27] <dael> dbaron: Not right now
  423. # [17:28] <dael> krit: To claify, contrib. on ML
  424. # [17:28] <dael> glazou: Yes
  425. # [17:28] <dael> glazou: These debates or any tech issue that could arrise
  426. # [17:28] <dael> ChrisL: Do you think ??? Would be a good person?
  427. # [17:28] <dael> s/???/Jonathan Q
  428. # [17:28] <sgalineau> Jonathan Kew
  429. # [17:28] <dael> dbaron: I think for fonts that's true. Not so sure about writing modes
  430. # [17:28] <astearns> s/Q/Kew/ (I think)
  431. # [17:28] <ChrisL> s/Q/Kew
  432. # [17:29] <dael> glazou: What is writing modes status?
  433. # [17:29] <dbaron> s/writing modes/writing modes debates/
  434. # [17:29] <dael> fantasai: We just pub a WD
  435. # [17:29] <dael> fantasai: We're waiting for Tr issue to be solved, that's allt hat's open
  436. # [17:29] <dael> fantasai: Entire layout section needs work
  437. # [17:29] <dael> fantasai: There's only so much progress I can make on my own.
  438. # [17:30] <dael> fantasai: My inclination is unless people want to review before LC, we should put it there unless we solve Tr issue
  439. # [17:30] <dael> glazou: John said he was fine with any solution
  440. # [17:30] <dael> ChrisL: There was a recent email from Koji with a new way of looking at it
  441. # [17:30] <dael> fantasai: The issue is basically is if fallback is a must, should, may, or must not
  442. # [17:30] * ChrisL thinks that covers all possible permutations, yes
  443. # [17:31] <dael> fantasai: We need to pick on, currently say may which allows impl to do either
  444. # [17:31] <dael> glazou: We're not going to discuss this now
  445. # [17:31] <dael> glazou: Let's hope we have enough to handle in a resonable time frame
  446. # [17:31] <dael> fantasai: Does anyone here play to review the layout?
  447. # [17:31] <dael> ???: I'm reviewing it. I want to write it out for books
  448. # [17:31] * dbaron is now known as dbaron_away
  449. # [17:32] <antonp> s/books/box model/
  450. # [17:32] <dael> ...: I want to find a way to discuss with you, will you be in China?
  451. # [17:32] <dael> fantasai: Yes
  452. # [17:32] <antonp> s/???/Bert/
  453. # [17:32] <glazou> Regrets: adenilson
  454. # [17:32] <dael> ???: Great, we can discuss. I think what you have is corrent, I just need to clarify what you mean
  455. # [17:32] <dael> fantasai: Will you be busy thursday/friday?
  456. # [17:32] <dael> bert: No, I don't have fixed appointments
  457. # [17:32] <dael> fantasai: Maybe we and anyone else can go through spec
  458. # [17:33] <dael> glazou: Bert, I remind you Friday is a holiday
  459. # [17:33] <dael> Bert: I'll be working
  460. # [17:33] <dael> glazou: Anything else?
  461. # [17:33] <dael> fantasai: So we'll wait until TPAC to deal with Tr.
  462. # [17:33] <dael> fantasai: If anyone else wants to go over layout and send comments, that would be good
  463. # [17:33] <dael> fantasai: We'll hopfully do LC right after TPAC
  464. # [17:33] <glazou> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2013Oct/0708.html
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  466. # [17:34] <dael> Topic: Counter Styles at risk features
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  468. # [17:34] <dael> fantasai: I was suggesting to put pad and speak-as on at risk list
  469. # [17:34] * dbaron_away is now known as dbaron
  470. # [17:34] <dael> fantasai: because pad is low [riority and last minute
  471. # [17:34] <dael> fantasai: speak-as I don't want as risk, but we don't have many impl.
  472. # [17:34] <dael> ChrisL: I think it's nice to have it at ris
  473. # [17:35] <dael> ChrisL: It would be good to have, but we should mark it and be able to drop it quietly
  474. # [17:35] <dael> glazou: Any obj?
  475. # [17:35] <dael> RESOLVED: pad and speak-as are marked at risk
  476. # [17:35] <dauwhe> s/[riority/priority/
  477. # [17:35] <dael> fantasai: I had tab start working on comments, there's one we'll want to talk about with the WG
  478. # [17:36] <dael> fantasai: It's about how numbers are handled in Hebrew, but I'll wait for Tab
  479. # [17:36] * ChrisL two new reviews for CSS style attributes arrived during this call, thanks!
  480. # [17:36] <dael> glazou: I did get a RL test case. A company wantd to use number in Farsi
  481. # [17:36] <SimonSapin> s/RL test case/real use case/
  482. # [17:36] <dael> glazou: It's involving Gecko, but it's a real case
  483. # [17:36] <dael> Topic: TPAC
  484. # [17:36] <dael> glazou: Bert, I see you have message about Sunday room
  485. # [17:36] <fantasai> fantasai: Basically it's that Hebrew is limited in its range unless we add thousands-grouping feature, which we may want to consider
  486. # [17:37] <dael> Bert: We don't know which room, but there will be one
  487. # [17:37] <dael> Bert: We should know end of the week, there will be a projector and network access
  488. # [17:37] <dael> Bert: That's about all I can say, as soon as I know what room, someone will send out details
  489. # [17:37] <dael> glazou: Please add item request to the Wiki
  490. # [17:37] <dael> Topic: New charter
  491. # [17:38] <dael> glazou: I discussed new charter with plh
  492. # [17:38] <dael> glazou: Bert has started a few topics
  493. # [17:38] <dael> glazou: I sent out a list of current documents on Charter
  494. # [17:38] <dael> glazou: Some are old and need to be removed
  495. # [17:38] <dael> glazou: plh suggests that co-chairs come up with expectations for each item and submit to list
  496. # [17:38] <dael> glazou: It lets us take minimum time with chartering and I think it's a good idea
  497. # [17:39] <dael> glazou: I'd like all WG members to review the list I sent, make all the comments you want
  498. # [17:39] <dael> glazou: Tell us if you want something added or removed
  499. # [17:39] <dael> glazou: If the doc is a high priority for you and you want it to be rec during next charter, please tell us, it can be confidential
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  503. # [17:40] <dael> glazou: If you don't give input, plinss And I will work without your thoughts
  504. # [17:40] <glazou> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2013Oct/att-0728/doclist.txt
  505. # [17:40] <dael> fantasai: Where was it sent?
  506. # [17:40] <dael> glazou: With adgenda
  507. # [17:40] <dael> glazou: It's a list of all of our working documents
  508. # [17:40] <dael> glazou: Plh sent me a list of a few docs that are normaltivly ref. from HTML5
  509. # [17:40] <dael> glazou: 4 or 5 are listed as problematic from review by Robin Bergen
  510. # [17:41] <dael> glazou: 2 ref. are made to the level for of Selectors and Image Values
  511. # [17:41] <dael> glazou: It previously referenced level 3
  512. # [17:41] <leif> s/Bergen/Berjon
  513. # [17:41] <bkardell> CSS Foo Module Level N is my favorite
  514. # [17:41] <dael> glazou: The others are ??? and CSSOM
  515. # [17:42] <dael> glazou: The other ones aren't a problem, I need to discuss with Bert and Robin to see if it's a high proroity
  516. # [17:42] <dael> fantasai: ???
  517. # [17:42] <dael> glazou: It's going to be a problem because they want to reference
  518. # [17:42] <fantasai> fantasai: HTML should be referencing Selectors 4 and Cascade 3 for scoped styles
  519. # [17:42] <dael> chrisl: Either the brower impl. and we'll move quickly or browsers don't impl and it'll be rmv from HTML5
  520. # [17:43] <dael> fantasai: I think it's resonable to move selectors 4 to CR in next 6-9 months
  521. # [17:43] <krit> +1 to fantasai
  522. # [17:43] <dael> chrisl: Is there much difference between 3 and 4
  523. # [17:43] <dael> fantasai: No, not much
  524. # [17:43] <dael> fantasai: A lto if impl now
  525. # [17:43] <fantasai> s/No, not much/Yeah, there's othe rthings/
  526. # [17:43] <dael> chrisl: S it does seem resonable to move forward
  527. # [17:43] <dael> dbaron: Mozilla held on selectors becasue ti didn't seem stable, but I'm not sure
  528. # [17:44] <dael> glazou: Is 6 to 9 months okay for HTML5?
  529. # [17:44] <dael> chrisl: I'm not sure. I can find out. It also repends on rec track change
  530. # [17:44] <dael> ...: However that's better than we don't know
  531. # [17:44] * krit fears the list
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  533. # [17:45] <fantasai> glazou: TTA, filtering/compositing/masking, Grid, Flex, Variables
  534. # [17:45] <dael> glazou: My wish list of high priority mods is the ones TTA Syntax, Blending, Flex, Variables and ???
  535. # [17:45] <dael> glazou: That's what we want, but you can have a different view
  536. # [17:45] <astearns> s/???/grid/
  537. # [17:45] <dael> glazou: Any other q?
  538. # [17:45] <dael> chrisl: I'd like to see View moving faster, but depends on Impl
  539. # [17:46] <SimonSapin> s/View/Ruby/
  540. # [17:46] <dael> fantasai: It's drafted, it depends on reivew
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  544. # [17:46] <dael> glazou: I'll try, but please send comments ASAP
  545. # [17:46] <dael> glazou: I'll come up with list of future expectations so we can review during TPAC
  546. # [17:46] <dael> glazou: Anything else to discuss?
  547. # [17:46] <dael> ???: I have one
  548. # [17:46] <glazou> s/??/plinss
  549. # [17:47] <dael> ...: A first working draft of ??? Has a CSS prperty, which they didn't discuss with us
  550. # [17:47] <plinss> http://www.w3.org/TR/resource-priorities/
  551. # [17:47] <dael> glazou: Do you have a link?
  552. # [17:47] <dael> plinss: There's nothing else we need to review now, but I need to chat about corrdination
  553. # [17:47] <dael> plinss: We should look because I found a few issues
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  558. # [17:47] <dael> glazou: It's led by MIcrosoft and Google
  559. # [17:48] <dael> Action everyone review for discussion next week
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  564. # [17:48] <dael> glazou: We'd like to have opinions so we can discuss at TPAC
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  566. # [17:48] <dael> ???: I'll be traveling next week
  567. # [17:48] <dbaron> s/???/peterl/
  568. # [17:48] * SimonSapin can join the call next weeb
  569. # [17:48] <dael> ...: Will others be available?
  570. # [17:48] <plinss> s/???/plinss/
  571. # [17:48] <SimonSapin> week
  572. # [17:48] * Bert wil be there
  573. # [17:48] * sgalineau will be traveling next week
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  575. # [17:48] <glazou> s/???/krit
  576. # [17:48] <dael> chrisl: I'll be available
  577. # [17:48] * leaverou will be travelling next Wednesday too
  578. # [17:48] * dauwhe I'll be available
  579. # [17:48] <dael> dbaron: I'll be around
  580. # [17:49] <dael> glazou: So I'd suggest we still have a call next week
  581. # [17:49] <dael> ???: I just wnat more feedback on Basic Shapes
  582. # [17:49] <glazou> s/???/stearns
  583. # [17:49] <dael> ...: I have fantasai and krit opinions, but I'l like to hear from others
  584. # [17:49] <dael> stearns: I'd like to hear from other people
  585. # [17:49] <dael> glazou: Okay
  586. # [17:50] <dael> glazou: Anything else?
  587. # [17:50] <Zakim> -[Bloomberg]
  588. # [17:50] <dael> glazou: Okay, this is it. Thank you everyone. Talk to most of you next week
  589. # [17:50] <Zakim> -smfr
  590. # [17:50] <Zakim> -hober
  591. # [17:50] <Zakim> -ChrisL
  592. # [17:50] <Zakim> -dbaron
  593. # [17:50] <Zakim> -BrianKardell
  594. # [17:50] <Zakim> -[Adobe]
  595. # [17:50] <Zakim> -glazou
  596. # [17:50] <Zakim> -SylvaIng
  597. # [17:50] <Zakim> -antonp
  598. # [17:50] <dael> [Meeting Ended]
  599. # [17:50] <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
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  601. # [17:50] <Zakim> -Lea
  602. # [17:50] <Zakim> -renoirb
  603. # [17:50] <Zakim> -BradK
  604. # [17:50] <Zakim> -krit
  605. # [17:50] <Zakim> -leif
  606. # [17:50] <Zakim> -koji
  607. # [17:50] <Zakim> -dauwhe
  608. # [17:50] <Zakim> -SimonSapin
  609. # [17:50] <Zakim> -plinss
  610. # [17:50] <Zakim> -Stearns
  611. # [17:50] <Zakim> -dael
  612. # [17:50] <Zakim> -Bert
  613. # [17:50] <Zakim> -SteveZ
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  622. # [17:52] <Zakim> -fantasai
  623. # [17:52] <Zakim> Style_CSS FP()12:00PM has ended
  624. # [17:52] <Zakim> Attendees were dael, glazou, plinss, michou, Stearns, SylvaIng, hober, BradK, +1.917.207.aaaa, dauwhe, SimonSapin, renoirb, BrianKardell, leif, dbaron, fantasai, antonp, krit,
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