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  7. # [01:14] <TabAtkins> Argh, I am SO FUCKING CONFUSED by Python imports! For no good reason imports are failing in old code and I don't understand anything and it all sucks.
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  9. # [01:15] <TabAtkins> Okay, it looks like it's something about getting an import error and then trying to continue and reimport it again.
  10. # [01:22] <TabAtkins> Yeah, while on the console, if I try to import a module and it fails, when I try to import it again EVERYTHING IS FUCKED UP FOREVER.
  11. # [01:23] <TabAtkins> And I just need to exit the console and try again.
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  20. # [01:55] <astearns> TabAtkins: fantasai: value definition syntax question (yet again)
  21. # [01:55] <TabAtkins> Yo.
  22. # [01:55] <astearns> radial gradient has the form [[a || b] [at c]? | at c ]?
  23. # [01:55] <astearns> I think that's equivalent to [a || b]? [at c]?
  24. # [01:56] <TabAtkins> Nope, it requires either [a||b] or [at c].
  25. # [01:56] <TabAtkins> Yours allows omitting both.
  26. # [01:56] <astearns> the final ? allows you to omit both
  27. # [01:56] <TabAtkins> It's extremely clumsy, because we don't have a combinator for "at least one, in this order".
  28. # [01:56] <TabAtkins> Hm.
  29. # [01:56] <astearns> I think it's actually the comma that's requiring the clumsy syntax
  30. # [01:56] <astearns> [[a || b] [at c]?, | at c, ]?
  31. # [01:57] <TabAtkins> Ah yes, the comma.
  32. # [01:57] <TabAtkins> (This is part of why commas are terrible in functions.)
  33. # [01:57] <astearns> so since I don't have a comma in basic-shapes, I can be less clumsy
  34. # [01:57] <TabAtkins> Yes.
  35. # [01:57] <astearns> ok
  36. # [01:57] <TabAtkins> You only have to be clumsy if you need the construction I just said.
  37. # [02:01] <TabAtkins> It's very frustrating, because you can say "one", "at least one", or "all" (and "or none" variants of each of them) when the values are unordered, but only "at least one or none", "all", and "all or none" when they're ordered.
  38. # [02:02] <astearns> I don't disagree that the value definition syntax is frustrating, but that's not my only reason :)
  39. # [02:03] <TabAtkins> (Well, technically you can say "one (or none)" when they're ordered, because the ordering doesn't matter then.)
  40. # [02:03] <TabAtkins> So really it's just the "at least one" case that is missing, and it's a small enough case that we ahven't plugged it yet.
  41. # [02:04] <astearns> TabAtkins: could you fix the functional notation section's comma mention, or is that a CR-change nightmare?
  42. # [02:05] <TabAtkins> It's a terrible terrible nightmare regardless of process.
  43. # [02:05] <TabAtkins> That grammar ship has sailed.
  44. # [02:05] <TabAtkins> Oh wait, you mean in V&U?
  45. # [02:05] <astearns> yep
  46. # [02:05] <TabAtkins> Ah, no, I can change that.
  47. # [02:05] <TabAtkins> It'll get picked up next time we publish (likely PR).
  48. # [02:05] <astearns> we kept reading that section and thinking to ourselves, "Our commas are OK"
  49. # [02:10] <TabAtkins> Okay, done.
  50. # [02:11] <astearns> thanks!
  51. # [02:11] <TabAtkins> Also, oh jeez I need to convert V&U to bikeshed.
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  54. # [02:42] <fantasai> :(
  55. # [02:43] * fantasai is afraid of bikeshed conversions, they generally result in hard-to-publish drafts
  56. # [02:46] <fantasai> which is why Writing Modes isn't published yet
  57. # [02:48] <fantasai> TabAtkins, astearns: We need a combinator for "one or both, in this order". Lacking any other suggestions, I propose ~
  58. # [02:49] <TabAtkins> fantasai: Just poke me when Bikeshed starts outputting invalid HTML.
  59. # [02:49] <TabAtkins> (Which it might be doing right now, I dunno.)
  60. # [02:49] <TabAtkins> Also, I'm okay with ~ as a grammar combinator.
  61. # [02:49] * fantasai still trying to figure out what needs cleanup
  62. # [02:49] <fantasai> TabAtkins: We need to push an update to Sizing, I think.
  63. # [02:50] <fantasai> TabAtkins: I need to run a search and replace on links to the ED of that. :/
  64. # [02:51] <TabAtkins> Hm? Why?
  65. # [02:51] <TabAtkins> Note that Bikeshed automatically prefers /TR versions when you're publishing a TR-status spec.
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  67. # [02:56] <fantasai> TabAtkins: I think some of the terms don't cross-link correctly to the /TR version yet
  68. # [02:56] <fantasai> TabAtkins: Publishing an update shoudl fix that
  69. # [02:56] * fantasai tries to get the validator to run
  70. # [02:57] <TabAtkins> If something doesnt' link to TR, there's never a mysterious cause. You're either publishing an ED (in which case linking to other EDs is purposeful) or the term doesn't exist in the TR.
  71. # [02:58] <fantasai> We defined some aliases in the ED, so the autolinker isn't working
  72. # [02:58] <fantasai> in any case, Sizing needs an update...
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  74. # [03:17] <fantasai> TabAtkins: also, I really don't want to link to css-sizing-3/#max-content-measuremax-measuremax-content-size :)
  75. # [03:17] <fantasai> Since I'm pretty sure we want that to go away
  76. # [03:18] <fantasai> TabAtkins: Also Flexbox is linking to the ED for some reason
  77. # [03:18] <fantasai> "flex item"
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  80. # [03:25] <fantasai> overall, less bad than last time
  81. # [03:26] * fantasai fixes the link-in-link error, that was it for validation
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  84. # [03:31] <fantasai> Bert: Sent Writing Modes LC draft to you and webreq, please help us publish? :)
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  120. # [07:32] <TabAtkins> fantasai: That bad behavior has been fixed; I just need to regen Sizing.
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  156. # [10:15] <glazou> plinss, ping
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  263. # [22:15] <astearns> interpolation of 'left' to 'left' is not defined :(
  264. # [22:15] <astearns> but it appears that browsers deal with it anyway
  265. # [22:15] <astearns> interpolation of 'left' to 'right' is also not defined, and there are browser differences there
  266. # [22:24] <astearns> wow - IE 10 does one thing on page load, then a different thing if I turn the animation off and on again in the dev tools
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  282. # [23:34] <astearns> there's a Seattle site thing going on with Wadwhani - I'm likely to miss the backlog grooming today
  283. # [23:34] <astearns> wrong window :)
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