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  115. # [17:20] * glazou changes topic to 'http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2013Nov/0417.html'
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  118. # [17:20] <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/11/27-css-irc
  119. # [17:20] <glazou> Zakim, this will be Style
  120. # [17:20] <Zakim> ok, glazou; I see Style_CSS FP()12:00PM scheduled to start in 36 minutes
  121. # [17:20] <glazou> RRSAgent, make logs public
  122. # [17:20] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, glazou
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  127. # [17:52] <Zakim> Style_CSS FP()12:00PM has now started
  128. # [17:52] <Zakim> +dael
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  130. # [17:52] <Zakim> +??P21
  131. # [17:52] <glazou> Zakim, ??P21 is me
  132. # [17:52] <Zakim> +glazou; got it
  133. # [17:52] <dael> scribenick: dael
  134. # [17:53] <Zakim> +plinss
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  136. # [17:54] <Zakim> +SylvaIng
  137. # [17:54] <Zakim> +??P7
  138. # [17:54] <SimonSapin> Zakim, ??P7 is me
  139. # [17:54] <Zakim> +SimonSapin; got it
  140. # [17:54] <Zakim> +??P10
  141. # [17:55] <Zakim> -??P10
  142. # [17:55] <Zakim> +??P8
  143. # [17:55] <abinader> Zakim, +??P8 is me
  144. # [17:55] <Zakim> sorry, abinader, I do not recognize a party named '+??P8'
  145. # [17:56] <glazou> Zakim, ??P8 is abinader
  146. # [17:56] <Zakim> +abinader; got it
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  148. # [17:56] <glazou> abinader, you have to omit the +
  149. # [17:56] <Zakim> +Stearns
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  151. # [17:56] <abinader> glazou: ah, thx, got it
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  154. # [17:57] <Zakim> + +40.30.010.aaaa
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  156. # [17:57] <antonp> Zakim, aaaa is me
  157. # [17:57] <Zakim> +antonp; got it
  158. # [17:57] <Zakim> +Bert
  159. # [17:57] * plh zakim, call plh-mobile
  160. # [17:57] * Zakim ok, plh; the call is being made
  161. # [17:57] <Zakim> +Plh
  162. # [17:58] <Zakim> +AWK
  163. # [17:58] <Zakim> +??P13
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  165. # [17:58] <Zakim> +fantasai
  166. # [17:58] <Zakim> +[Bloomberg]
  167. # [17:59] <c_palmer> Zakim, [Bloomberg] is me
  168. # [17:59] <Zakim> +c_palmer; got it
  169. # [17:59] * sgalineau in case of storms, make sure you have a backup generator and a fantasai on hand
  170. # [17:59] * Zakim sgalineau, you typed too many words without commas; I suspect you forgot to start with 'to ...'
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  172. # [17:59] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  173. # [17:59] <sgalineau> Zakim, don't tell me how many words is too many
  174. # [17:59] <Zakim> I don't understand you, sgalineau
  175. # [17:59] <glazou> Zakim, [Microsoft] has israelh
  176. # [17:59] <Zakim> +israelh; got it
  177. # [18:00] <glazou> sgalineau, we need to spec that, let's discuss a name :-)
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  179. # [18:01] * Zakim hears abinader's hand up
  180. # [18:01] * Zakim sees abinader on the speaker queue
  181. # [18:01] <abinader> sorry
  182. # [18:01] <abinader> Zakim, mute me
  183. # [18:01] <Zakim> abinader should now be muted
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  185. # [18:02] <abinader> how to unqueue?
  186. # [18:02] <Zakim> +??P24
  187. # [18:02] <glazou> Zakim, q- abinader
  188. # [18:02] <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
  189. # [18:02] <fantasai> ScribeNick: fantasai
  190. # [18:02] <abinader> right, noted
  191. # [18:02] <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
  192. # [18:02] <koji> zakim, [ipcaller] is me
  193. # [18:02] <Zakim> +koji; got it
  194. # [18:03] <astearns> http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css-shapes/
  195. # [18:03] <fantasai> astearns: Made edits, shapes is ready for LC
  196. # [18:03] <fantasai> fantasai: Sounds good to me
  197. # [18:03] <fantasai> glazou: Me too
  198. # [18:03] <fantasai> Rossen: Let's do it
  199. # [18:04] <fantasai> RESOLVED: LC for Shapes
  200. # [18:04] <fantasai> Bert: Which groups shall we ask for review?
  201. # [18:05] <fantasai> astearns: SVG certainly
  202. # [18:05] <fantasai> glazou: DigiPub IG
  203. # [18:05] <plh> q+
  204. # [18:05] * Zakim sees plh on the speaker queue
  205. # [18:05] <plh> q-
  206. # [18:05] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  207. # [18:06] <fantasai> [discuss LC period]
  208. # [18:06] <adenilson> Zakim, who is on the call?
  209. # [18:06] <Zakim> On the phone I see dael, glazou, plinss, SylvaIng, SimonSapin, abinader (muted), Stearns, antonp, Bert, Plh, AWK, ??P13, fantasai, c_palmer, [Microsoft], ??P24, koji
  210. # [18:06] <fantasai> deadline: 8 January 2014
  211. # [18:06] <Zakim> [Microsoft] has israelh
  212. # [18:06] <Zakim> +dbaron
  213. # [18:06] * sgalineau thinks we need LC period dice
  214. # [18:06] <fantasai> er, 7 January 2014
  215. # [18:06] <fantasai> (tuesday)
  216. # [18:07] <fantasai> people can ask for extension
  217. # [18:07] <fantasai> glazou: plinss mentioned request from WebVTT
  218. # [18:07] <fantasai> plinss: Forgot to forward email to WG...
  219. # [18:07] <fantasai> plinss: They want us to look at ::cue-region etc.
  220. # [18:07] <plinss> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/text-tracks/raw-file/default/608toVTT/region.html
  221. # [18:08] <fantasai> glazou: How much time to we have?
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  223. # [18:08] <fantasai> plinss: Didn't mention it in the email
  224. # [18:08] <plinss> http://dev.w3.org/html5/webvtt/#css-extensions
  225. # [18:09] <fantasai> Bert: I'm interested in reviewing
  226. # [18:09] <fantasai> glazou: Let's shoot for 2 weeks
  227. # [18:09] <fantasai> ACTION everyone: Review the WebVTT spec for ::cue and ::cue-region
  228. # [18:09] * trackbot is creating a new ACTION.
  229. # [18:09] * RRSAgent records action 1
  230. # [18:09] <trackbot> Error finding 'everyone'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/Tracker/users>.
  231. # [18:09] <fantasai> glazou: I've another concern about CSS stuff being in other specs
  232. # [18:09] <fantasai> glazou: Shadow DOM is adding CSS stuff to Shadow DOM spec
  233. # [18:10] <glazou> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=23467
  234. # [18:10] <fantasai> glazou: There's an experimental feature introducing two new combinators to Selectors
  235. # [18:10] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
  236. # [18:10] <abinader> I'd like to mention if is it possible to add CSS3 Text Decoration properties as CSS extensions of WebVTT
  237. # [18:10] <fantasai> glazou: We should monitor this, before it becomes too late to discuss anymore
  238. # [18:10] * leaverou IRC only today, :( I'm in Manila and the hotel internet is way too bad for Skype calls (I've tried...)
  239. # [18:10] * fantasai abinader??
  240. # [18:10] <abinader> currently only text-decoration is listed there
  241. # [18:11] * fantasai file that against webVTT
  242. # [18:11] <abinader> but on CSS3 spec it is now a shorthand
  243. # [18:11] * Zakim sees but on the speaker queue
  244. # [18:11] <abinader> fantasai: right
  245. # [18:11] <glazou> Zakim, mute SimonSapin
  246. # [18:11] <Zakim> SimonSapin should now be muted
  247. # [18:11] <fantasai> http://dev.w3.org/html5/webvtt/#css-extensions
  248. # [18:11] <fantasai> That's Tab's summary of Shadow DOM stuff
  249. # [18:12] <fantasai> Topic: Dates for Seattle
  250. # [18:12] <SimonSapin> About Grid, I’d like to hear from Rossen on http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2013Nov/0382.html
  251. # [18:12] <fantasai> glazou: Dates are firm?
  252. # [18:12] <fantasai> sylvaing: We currently have that week booked
  253. # [18:12] <fantasai> sylvaing: Can swap CSS/SVG, but everything is booked for that week
  254. # [18:12] <Zakim> -abinader
  255. # [18:12] <fantasai> sylvaing: Right now CSS is M-W
  256. # [18:13] <fantasai> glazou: Maybe we should freeze that so ppl can book their flights
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  258. # [18:13] <dbaron> I probably prefer CSS first (i.e., M-W as currently planned), because I'd like to be in the bay area at least a few days that week, and M-W lets me return Wednesday night.
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  260. # [18:13] <fantasai> RESOLVED: Seattle F2F 27-29 January
  261. # [18:14] <fantasai> sylvaing will add more info next week
  262. # [18:14] <fantasai> glazou: I got a request from szilles to sort out September dates
  263. # [18:15] <Zakim> +??P3
  264. # [18:15] <abinader> Zakim: ??P3 is me
  265. # [18:15] * dbaron Zakim, who is noisy?
  266. # [18:15] <abinader> Zakim, ??P3 is me
  267. # [18:15] <Zakim> +abinader; got it
  268. # [18:15] <fantasai> fantasai suggests sorting this on a call with more people
  269. # [18:15] * Zakim dbaron, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P3 (42%), SylvaIng (13%), Bert (5%), glazou (21%)
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  271. # [18:15] <glazou> Zakim, mute abinader
  272. # [18:15] <Zakim> abinader should now be muted
  273. # [18:16] * sgalineau didn't hear whether we had a location for september...
  274. # [18:16] <fantasai> ACTION glazou: send email wrt dates for September F2F
  275. # [18:16] * trackbot is creating a new ACTION.
  276. # [18:16] * RRSAgent records action 2
  277. # [18:16] <trackbot> Created ACTION-600 - Send email wrt dates for september f2f [on Daniel Glazman - due 2013-12-04].
  278. # [18:16] <fantasai> Topic: nav-up/down/left/right
  279. # [18:16] * plh Sylvain, location is Sophia
  280. # [18:16] * sgalineau cool, thx
  281. # [18:16] <fantasai> glazou: We have 2 or 3 interoperable implementations at this time, implementing the four properties
  282. # [18:16] <fantasai> glazou: I contributed 64 tests, that need review
  283. # [18:16] <fantasai> glazou: The tests are partly based on what Opera did
  284. # [18:16] <fantasai> glazou: Good news is that all tests are passed by at least 2 impls
  285. # [18:17] * dbaron is not crazy about meeting in Sophia...
  286. # [18:17] <fantasai> glazou: So I don't think the properties are at-risk anymore, but up to WG to decide
  287. # [18:17] <fantasai> sylvaing: How comprehensive is 64?
  288. # [18:17] <fantasai> glazou: I made a test for every normative statement in the spec
  289. # [18:17] <fantasai> glazou: I think 64 is final
  290. # [18:17] * dbaron is now known as dbaron-away
  291. # [18:17] <fantasai> sylvaing: or very close. Good
  292. # [18:18] <fantasai> fantasai: I don't see a problem
  293. # [18:18] <fantasai> sylvaing: me neither
  294. # [18:18] <fantasai> plh: What are the two implementations?
  295. # [18:18] <fantasai> glazou: Opera TV emulator
  296. # [18:18] <fantasai> glazou: 2nd/3rd are Smart TV emulator from Samsung and build of Chromium that matches that implementation
  297. # [18:18] * dbaron-away is now known as dbaron
  298. # [18:18] <fantasai> glazou: emulator is difficult to test
  299. # [18:18] <fantasai> glazou: but can use standalone browser Chromium
  300. # [18:18] <fantasai> glazou: Same feature based on same code
  301. # [18:19] <fantasai> rossen: First one is Presto?
  302. # [18:19] <fantasai> glazou: Presto
  303. # [18:19] <fantasai> Rossen: So we have one Presto and one Blink
  304. # [18:19] <fantasai> RESOLVED: Remove nav-up/down/left/right from CSS3 UI
  305. # [18:20] <fantasai> ACTION glazou: Make that edit
  306. # [18:20] * trackbot is creating a new ACTION.
  307. # [18:20] * RRSAgent records action 3
  308. # [18:20] <trackbot> Created ACTION-601 - Make that edit [on Daniel Glazman - due 2013-12-04].
  309. # [18:20] <fantasai> Topic: Spread Radius Formula
  310. # [18:20] <glazou> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2013Nov/0290.html
  311. # [18:20] <fantasai> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2013Nov/0290.html
  312. # [18:21] <fantasai> fantasai: At TPAC we were talking about the discontinuity of the spread shape between border radius of zero and non-zero
  313. # [18:21] <fantasai> fantasai: And dbaron suggested making some kind of gradual increase
  314. # [18:21] <fantasai> fantasai: So after some informal discussions, we came up with a fairly simple formula
  315. # [18:21] <fantasai> fantasai: 1 + (x-1)^3
  316. # [18:22] <fantasai> fantasai: which describes how much of the spread distance to add to the curve radius while it is less than the border radius
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  318. # [18:22] <glazou> SRUK is going to be happy
  319. # [18:22] <glazou> sorry
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  321. # [18:22] <fantasai> fantasai: This gives the same results in case of zero and in case of border-radius greatre than spread
  322. # [18:22] <fantasai> fantasai: But in between it interpolates smoothly
  323. # [18:23] <fantasai> fantasai: slowing down the rate of change so that it hits constant 1 smoothly
  324. # [18:23] <fantasai> fantasai: And the rate of change at the beginning is not too fast
  325. # [18:24] <fantasai> fantasai: The result looks better than the previous definition in all cases
  326. # [18:24] <glazou> see http://is.gd/miUFlA
  327. # [18:24] <fantasai> fantasai: Because it used to look weird when you had a small border-radius and large spread readius
  328. # [18:24] <fantasai> http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css-backgrounds/spread-radius
  329. # [18:24] <astearns> x = border-radius/spread
  330. # [18:24] <fantasai> fantasai: You can play with formulas we tried there
  331. # [18:25] <fantasai> plinss: I added a bezier function to that demo as well
  332. # [18:25] <fantasai> plinss: Adds a lot of ability to change curve
  333. # [18:25] <fantasai> plinss: cubic-bezier is what's used in transitions
  334. # [18:26] <astearns> also used for calculating the margin-box shape, where x = border-radius/margin
  335. # [18:26] <fantasai> fantasai: I think the cubic looks good enough, but if people have reasons to tweak the behavior (moves too fast here, too slow there), can play with cubic bezier
  336. # [18:26] <Rossen_> ^3 ftw
  337. # [18:27] <astearns> +1 for cubic from me
  338. # [18:27] * Ms2ger a "high three"?
  339. # [18:27] * sgalineau likes cubic best from the demo page
  340. # [18:27] <fantasai> fantasai: My suggestion is to accept the cubic function in the spec, and take it to LC
  341. # [18:27] <fantasai> glazou: Looks good to me
  342. # [18:28] <fantasai> Bert: I see little difference between them
  343. # [18:28] * sgalineau though the ability to use a bezier could be fun in a future level...
  344. # [18:28] * glazou sgalineau agreed
  345. # [18:29] * glazou sgalineau we used to discuss names, now we discuss maths :-)
  346. # [18:29] <fantasai> fantasai: You have to set the spread to something large, then bend the radius very slowly from zero to equal to spread
  347. # [18:29] <fantasai> fantasai: The difference is in the rate near zero
  348. # [18:29] <fantasai> fantasai: Cubic looks better
  349. # [18:29] <fantasai> glazou: Do we want to extend in the future?
  350. # [18:29] <fantasai> dbaron: Don't think is something we want multiple options for
  351. # [18:30] <fantasai> sylvaing: Might want the possibilities, but for now cubic is great
  352. # [18:30] <SimonSapin> +1 for cubic, but this looks to me like a tiny difference that you have too for. Let’s pick something and move on.
  353. # [18:30] * sgalineau supports math bikeshedding
  354. # [18:30] <fantasai> RESOLVED: use cubic function for spread radius bending
  355. # [18:31] <fantasai> fantasai: Want to take css3-background through LC
  356. # [18:32] <fantasai> astearns: The spec doesn't currently describe how background-position animates correctly
  357. # [18:32] <fantasai> astearns: Can post that to the list
  358. # [18:32] * Ms2ger glazou: progress :)
  359. # [18:32] * glazou Ms2ger, ?
  360. # [18:33] * Ms2ger "we used to discuss names, now we discuss maths"
  361. # [18:33] * glazou Ms2ger eheh
  362. # [18:33] <fantasai> fantasai: Reads off Animatable line of spec
  363. # [18:33] <fantasai> fantasai: That's clearly wrong
  364. # [18:33] <dbaron> dbaron: I think a <position> can be represented as a pair of values if you use calc() functions
  365. # [18:33] <fantasai> dbaron: You can represent all positions as two values of length, percentage, or calc
  366. # [18:33] <fantasai> dbaron: That's what we do in Gecko
  367. # [18:34] <fantasai> astearns: In Gecko you might do that, but the Animatable line doesn't match the computed value
  368. # [18:34] <fantasai> fantasai: So, the reason the computed value line is written that way
  369. # [18:35] <fantasai> fantasai: is because in L4 we expect to add logical keywords
  370. # [18:35] <dbaron> dbaron: ... but you also can't animate between that purely in the computed value space
  371. # [18:35] <fantasai> fantasai: and you cannot animate between physical and logical coords
  372. # [18:35] <fantasai> ...
  373. # [18:36] <fantasai> fantasai: So, we could make physical coords animatable like in Gecko
  374. # [18:36] <fantasai> fantasai: And for logical coords, you'd do the same but with keywords for start start origin
  375. # [18:36] <fantasai> fantasai: and then you can't animate between the two
  376. # [18:36] <fantasai> dbaron: ...
  377. # [18:36] <fantasai> dbaron: So I think this spec needs to write a definition for animating <position>
  378. # [18:36] <dbaron> dbaron: I don't think we should do it during the call
  379. # [18:37] <fantasai> fantasai: Would that go in this spec, or values and units?
  380. # [18:37] <fantasai> dbaron: Whatever defines <position>
  381. # [18:37] <fantasai> glazou: So, we wait for that?
  382. # [18:37] <fantasai> dbaron: Could probably handle as LC comment
  383. # [18:38] <fantasai> ...
  384. # [18:39] <fantasai> fantasai [... stuff about publishing]
  385. # [18:39] <fantasai> fantasai: We'll plan to publish Thursday, send in pub request early, and just prep the draft after the call next week
  386. # [18:39] <fantasai> glazou: Anything else on that topic?
  387. # [18:39] <fantasai> nope
  388. # [18:40] <fantasai> Topic: CSSOM
  389. # [18:40] <fantasai> fantasai: I think it's pretty out of date. We should publish an update
  390. # [18:40] <SimonSapin> +1 to publish
  391. # [18:40] <glazou> http://dev.w3.org/csswg/cssom/
  392. # [18:40] <fantasai> Bert: Agree in principle, but what is state of current editor's draft?
  393. # [18:41] <plh> +1 to publish
  394. # [18:41] <fantasai> Bert: List of changes since previous draft?
  395. # [18:42] <fantasai> Bert: I don't object to publishing, but was wondering if anyone could tell me what actually changed since last time
  396. # [18:42] <fantasai> glazou: I have the same comment, don't object to publishing, but would also like to know what changed
  397. # [18:42] <fantasai> RESOLVED: Publish new WD of CSSOM with improved Changes list
  398. # [18:42] <SimonSapin> Zakim, unmute me
  399. # [18:42] <Zakim> SimonSapin should no longer be muted
  400. # [18:42] <fantasai> Topic: Grids
  401. # [18:43] <fantasai> SimonSapin: As discussed with Tab on ML
  402. # [18:43] <fantasai> SimonSapin: syntax of grid-template-areas
  403. # [18:43] <fantasai> SimonSapin: Would like hear from MSFT in particular
  404. # [18:43] <fantasai> SimonSapin: String values inside that property as "parsed as CSS"
  405. # [18:43] <fantasai> SimonSapin: We end up with possibilities of double-escaping
  406. # [18:44] <fantasai> SimonSapin: Tab and I agree it would be better to define a small special parsing
  407. # [18:44] <fantasai> SimonSapin: for content of templates inside string
  408. # [18:44] <fantasai> SimonSapin: i.e. how to parse into identifiers
  409. # [18:44] <fantasai> Rossen: OK, I will go over today and send email. Don't think we need to discuss over call
  410. # [18:45] <fantasai> glazou: Another item I'd like to discuss, maybe not today, is charter. See message from Bert
  411. # [18:45] <fantasai> glazou: Please review charter and send comments for next week
  412. # [18:46] <fantasai> Meeting closed.
  413. # [18:46] <Zakim> -dbaron
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  415. # [18:46] <Zakim> -c_palmer
  416. # [18:46] <Zakim> -??P24
  417. # [18:46] <Zakim> -fantasai
  418. # [18:46] <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
  419. # [18:46] <Zakim> -glazou
  420. # [18:46] <Zakim> -??P13
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  435. # [18:46] <Zakim> Attendees were dael, glazou, plinss, SylvaIng, SimonSapin, abinader, Stearns, +40.30.010.aaaa, antonp, Bert, Plh, AWK, fantasai, c_palmer, israelh, koji, dbaron, [Microsoft]
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  443. # [19:13] <fantasai> Bert, can you remove the following line from the writing modes /TR draft? TabAtkins added it for some of his stuff, but it breaks when notes and floats are side-by-side, which happens in writing modes...
  444. # [19:14] <fantasai> .heading, .issue, .note, .example, li, dt { position: relative; }
  445. # [19:14] <Bert> From the default.css style sheet you mean? I guess so.
  446. # [19:17] <Bert> OK, seems fixed now.
  447. # [19:17] <Bert> fantasai, can you check?
  448. # [19:18] <fantasai> Bert: yep, thanks!
  449. # [19:19] * fantasai supposes this needs a more permanent fix
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