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- # [17:20] <glazou> Zakim, this will be Style
- # [17:20] <Zakim> ok, glazou; I see Style_CSS FP()12:00PM scheduled to start in 36 minutes
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- # [17:20] <glazou> RRSAgent, make logs public
- # [17:20] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, glazou
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- # [17:24] * glazou changes topic to 'http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2014Jan/0067.html'
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- # [17:39] <SimonSapin> glazou: is there some approval for publishing CR?
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- # [17:39] <SimonSapin> in addition to the WG’s
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- # [17:41] <glazou> yes
- # [17:41] <glazou> there is a transition call with the Director
- # [17:41] <glazou> co-chairs + plh + Director's deputy
- # [17:41] <glazou> + Bert
- # [17:41] * Zakim wonders where Bert is
- # [17:41] <glazou> hi ChrisL
- # [17:42] <ChrisL> hi glazou, happy new year
- # [17:42] <glazou> you too ChrisL !
- # [17:42] <glazou> SimonSapin, see an example of a transition request at https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/chairs/2013JulSep/0040.html
- # [17:44] <ChrisL> also look here http://services.w3.org/xslt?xmlfile=http://www.w3.org/2005/08/01-transitions.html&xslfile=http://www.w3.org/2005/08/transitions.xsl
- # [17:44] <ChrisL> and set the drop down to the appropriate stage
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- # [17:45] <SimonSapin> http://dev.w3.org/csswg/biblio.ref points to old drafts :( eg. CSS3CASCADE
- # [17:45] <ChrisL> its in a version control system, feel free to edit it
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- # [17:45] <SimonSapin> I will, but this really should be automatic
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- # [17:46] <ChrisL> someone should rally implement that
- # [17:46] <ChrisL> s/rally/really
- # [17:46] <ChrisL> action: someone to do good stuff
- # [17:46] * trackbot is creating a new ACTION.
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- # [17:46] <trackbot> Error finding 'someone'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/Tracker/users>.
- # [17:46] <SimonSapin> I guess that’s Bikeshed bug #86 https://github.com/tabatkins/bikeshed/issues/86
- # [17:47] * ChrisL glazou while we wait is there a users forum or bug tracker for blue griffon?
- # [17:48] <glazou> yes
- # [17:48] <glazou> bugzilla.bluegriffon.org
- # [17:48] <ChrisL> ty
- # [17:48] <glazou> and a forum here : http://groups.google.com/group/bluegriffon
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- # [17:49] * ChrisL are "i wish it did things differently" questions on topic?
- # [17:50] <glazou> absolutely :-)
- # [17:51] * ChrisL wishes paste without formatting could be made the default
- # [17:51] * ChrisL wishes utf-8 could be set as dec=fault encoding
- # [17:51] <dael> +1 for paste!
- # [17:51] * ChrisL wishes it never ever generated -MSO gobbledegook when editing tables
- # [17:52] * ChrisL finds scrolling very very slow as soon as there are large tables
- # [17:52] * glazou sends a wet trout to ChrisL
- # [17:52] <glazou> :)
- # [17:52] * ChrisL shuts up for a bit
- # [17:52] <glazou> we're about to start here anyway
- # [17:52] <Zakim> Style_CSS FP()12:00PM has now started
- # [17:52] <Zakim> +dael
- # [17:53] <Zakim> +??P15
- # [17:53] <glazou> Zakim, ..P15 is me
- # [17:53] <Zakim> sorry, glazou, I do not recognize a party named '..P15'
- # [17:53] <glazou> Zakim, ??P15 is me
- # [17:53] <Zakim> +glazou; got it
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- # [17:54] <dael> scribenick: dael
- # [17:54] <Zakim> +krit
- # [17:54] <Zakim> +ChrisL
- # [17:55] <Zakim> +dauwhe
- # [17:55] <Zakim> +??P25
- # [17:55] <leif> Zakim, ??P25 is me
- # [17:55] <Zakim> +leif; got it
- # [17:56] <Zakim> +[Bloomberg]
- # [17:56] <jerenkrantz> Zakim, Bloomberg has me
- # [17:56] <Zakim> +jerenkrantz; got it
- # [17:56] <Zakim> +Stearns
- # [17:56] <Zakim> +[Bloomberg.a]
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- # [17:57] <antonp> Zakim, aaaa is me
- # [17:57] <Zakim> +antonp; got it
- # [17:57] <SimonSapin> Zakim, ??P38 is me
- # [17:57] <Zakim> +SimonSapin; got it
- # [17:57] <Zakim> +fantasai
- # [17:57] <Zakim> +Bert
- # [17:58] * plh zakim, call plh-mobile
- # [17:58] * Zakim ok, plh; the call is being made
- # [17:58] <Zakim> +Plh
- # [17:58] <Zakim> +smfr
- # [17:58] <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
- # [17:58] <glazou> Zakim, [IPcaller] has florian
- # [17:58] <Zakim> +florian; got it
- # [17:58] <florian> Zakim, [IPcaller has me]
- # [17:58] <Zakim> +me]; got it
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- # [17:59] <glazou> Zakim, who is noisy?
- # [17:59] <Zakim> glazou, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: [IPcaller] (1%), [Bloomberg.a] (9%)
- # [17:59] <glazou> Zakim, [Bloomberg.a] has arybka
- # [17:59] <Zakim> +arybka; got it
- # [17:59] <Zakim> +??P9
- # [17:59] <glazou> Zakim, ??P9 is rossen
- # [17:59] <Zakim> +rossen; got it
- # [18:00] <Zakim> +glenn
- # [18:00] <dael> glazou: Extra items?
- # [18:00] <dael> Topic: Seattle F2F and TTWF
- # [18:00] <dael> glazou: Is sylvaing here?
- # [18:01] <dael> glazou: So sylvaing sent a message about updating wiki w/ flight and diet
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- # [18:01] <dael> ...: He also says we'll have own name and password
- # [18:01] <dael> ...: Please update wiki asap
- # [18:01] <dael> ???: I don't have anything. Sunday before we have TTWF
- # [18:01] <dael> ...: I encourage everyone to sign up
- # [18:01] <ChrisL> http://wiki.csswg.org/planning/seattle-2014#participants
- # [18:01] <glazou> s/???/stearns
- # [18:01] <dael> ...: If you can't make it, send in test you need written so we have tasks
- # [18:02] <dael> glazou: We also need to fill wiki with adjenda
- # [18:02] <dael> ...: F2F is soon, so we need proposals
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- # [18:02] <dael> ...: plinss will review ASAP, but he's in London
- # [18:02] <Zakim> +SGalineau
- # [18:02] <Zakim> -SGalineau
- # [18:02] <dael> ...: Anything else?
- # [18:02] <Zakim> +dbaron
- # [18:03] <dael> glazou: is sylvaing there?
- # [18:03] <Zakim> +SGalineau
- # [18:03] <dael> glazou: sylvaing, hello!
- # [18:03] <dael> ...: We were about to clsoe Seattle F@F. Anything becides e-mail?
- # [18:03] <TabAtkins> Woo, coming!
- # [18:03] * TabAtkins to the call.
- # [18:03] <dael> sylvaing: No. One new piece is a meetup WEdnesday night with local community
- # [18:04] * plh apologizes in advance for leaving the f2f early
- # [18:04] <dael> ...: If there's any comments on that, let us know.
- # [18:04] <dael> glazou: Okay. WE may be leaving Wed night.
- # [18:04] <dael> astearns: THere's not easy time. WE can check if Monday works.
- # [18:04] <dael> glazou: Lets move on
- # [18:04] <dael> Topic: Charter
- # [18:04] <astearns> s/astearns/sylvaing/
- # [18:04] <dael> glazou: We need an update on the charter extension
- # [18:04] <dael> plh: I was contacted recently.
- # [18:05] <Zakim> + +1.281.305.aabb
- # [18:05] <dael> ...: It's going to review inside W3C and we'll have feedback by F2F
- # [18:05] <Zakim> -rossen
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- # [18:05] * TabAtkins zakim, aabb is me
- # [18:05] * Zakim +TabAtkins; got it
- # [18:05] <dael> ...: If not feedback, we can continue with dicussion within the group.
- # [18:05] <dael> ...: Hopefully we should be able to send for final review week after F2F or during it
- # [18:06] <dael> ...: I do know that a draft hasn't done anything, but I do expect some feedback. I think it's as good as we can.
- # [18:06] <dael> glazou: There's an arguement. WE're expecting progress on super group front.
- # [18:06] <dael> ...: THat will allow us to make a different charter in 6 months.
- # [18:06] <dael> plh: Right now end is Feb 2015
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- # [18:06] <dael> ...: So 12 months.
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- # [18:06] <dael> ...: I guess that's fine.
- # [18:06] <dael> ...: That makes sense.
- # [18:06] <ChrisL> That is fine, we can always recharter before it expires
- # [18:07] <dael> glazou: That will let us with web consortioum discuss super group
- # [18:07] <dael> plh: That's where we are
- # [18:07] <Zakim> +??P31
- # [18:07] <dael> glazou: Questions, comments?
- # [18:07] <dael> Topic: CSS Fragmentation
- # [18:07] <glazou> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-css-wg/2014JanMar/0009.html
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- # [18:07] <dael> glazou: WE have request from krit
- # [18:07] <dael> krit: I create an ex with bordor radius
- # [18:07] * leaverou sorry to be late, thought there wasn't a call today!
- # [18:08] <dael> ...: Frag means I had multi column with an element across mulit.
- # [18:08] <dael> ...: Question is how do we define diff frag.
- # [18:08] <Zakim> +Lea
- # [18:08] <dael> ...: Spec isn't clear if it's one box split into different parts or drawn between columns
- # [18:08] <dael> ...: I think it's essential for many parts to define.
- # [18:08] <dael> ...: DO we create diffenet boxes on frag?
- # [18:08] <dael> rossen: Yes.
- # [18:09] <dael> ...: I've been reading your comments and we can consider that every frag is a box and has its own model.
- # [18:09] <dael> ...: The way border is controlled on break is done by using the border box decoration prop
- # [18:09] <dael> ...: That gives you ability to have or donn't have padding on break
- # [18:09] <dael> ...: So, to further elaborate, as to if that is one box in on frag, I think that's not correct
- # [18:09] * glazou find rossen's car turn signals disruptive :-)
- # [18:10] <dael> ...: Correct is this is collection of boxes. Frag flow is the collection, not multi fragments.
- # [18:10] <dael> krit: To be clear, I'd like a resolution to document
- # [18:10] <dael> rossen What type of resoultuon? One to have us edit spec is fine.
- # [18:10] * fantasai is confused
- # [18:10] <dael> krit: I just want res that each fragment creates own box.
- # [18:11] <Zakim> +SteveZ
- # [18:11] <dael> rossen: Yes.
- # [18:11] <dael> fantasai: The entire point of fragment is to distinguish from box.
- # [18:11] <dael> krit: That's fine as long as spec that each frag has own piece.
- # [18:11] <dael> dbaron: There's a bunch of existing specs that assume one or the other. MOstly assume each frag is own box
- # [18:12] <dael> ...: I'm fine either way, but resolution needs to say it's not changing existing specs and they might disagree.
- # [18:12] <dael> rossen: I'm with you.
- # [18:12] <Zakim> +??P73
- # [18:12] <leif> Zakim, I am ??P73
- # [18:12] <Zakim> +leif; got it
- # [18:12] <dael> ...: I think that first it being closer to CSS 2.1 for line boxes and the fact they are boxes is that right way to go
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- # [18:12] <dael> roseen: So should we have resolution.
- # [18:12] <antonp> s/line boxes/inline boxes/
- # [18:12] <dael> fantasai: I think that's dependant on us for frag.
- # [18:12] <dael> krit: I think it's every spec.
- # [18:13] <dael> Rossen: WE can see what references and see if there are differences.
- # [18:13] <dael> ...: I can't think of anything but multi column, box, and page that talk about this.
- # [18:13] <dael> ...: For those I think they're only talking boxes.
- # [18:13] <dael> ???: WE also have box generation where they don't have size or position
- # [18:13] <glazou> s/???/SimonSapin
- # [18:13] <dael> fantasai: What do we call it. Full name is box fragment.
- # [18:14] <dael> ...: The CSS 2.1 calls them both box
- # [18:14] <dael> ...: THe content is a box, it gets split, and it's both box.
- # [18:14] <dael> ...: So we need to call them box, but be able to distinguish
- # [18:14] <dael> rossen: This is why we used frag. to distinguish. Is that the confusing part?
- # [18:14] <dael> fantasai: We also mix us element and box on generation side
- # [18:15] <dael> krit: If fragment is how it differs? When a frag has its own padding isn't defined.
- # [18:15] <dael> fantasai: Maybe box fragmenet and box element and they can go by all those names?
- # [18:15] <dael> SimonSapin: I think it is defined
- # [18:15] * glazou hears blanks
- # [18:15] <dael> rossen: That's what I was saying a few minutes ago
- # [18:15] <fantasai> We can call them both boxes, or we can call the fragments / elements
- # [18:15] <fantasai> s/the/them/
- # [18:15] <Zakim> -glazou
- # [18:15] <SimonSapin> s/defined/defined by the box-decoration-break property/
- # [18:16] <Zakim> +??P15
- # [18:16] * ChrisL someone is firing blanks
- # [18:16] <glazou> Zakim, ??P15 is me
- # [18:16] <Zakim> +glazou; got it
- # [18:16] <dael> krit: It's not clear which box you mean
- # [18:16] <dael> rossen: WE mean fragmenet box, but we can be clear
- # [18:16] * glazou grrr same issue
- # [18:16] <dael> fantasai: In frag spec we use frag when we mean it and box when we mean box for the most part
- # [18:16] <dael> glazou: What is the action for the near term?
- # [18:16] <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
- # [18:17] * Parts: smfr (~smfr@public.cloak) (smfr)
- # [18:17] <dael> fantasai: We need a set of terms to agree first. I propose box-element and box-fragmenent
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- # [18:17] <dael> dbaron: I don't like box-element
- # [18:17] <antonp> me neither
- # [18:17] <glazou> let's rename this at CR anyway
- # [18:17] <dael> fantasai: Problem is we have a lot that use box and use term element. We need a term for box-element things that can be shortened to box or element.
- # [18:17] <dael> dbaron: I think that if it's element and isn't an element in the dom it's wrong
- # [18:18] <dael> rossen: can we have element-box and frag-box instead?
- # [18:18] <dael> krit: I like element-box
- # [18:18] <dbaron> s/(above)/I think specs that use the term "element" to refer to something other than an element in the DOM are wrong and should be fixed./
- # [18:18] <dael> SimonSapin: I'm fine with box-frag.
- # [18:18] <astearns> +1 to dbaron - should not propagate the problem of conflating boxes with elements
- # [18:18] * leaverou notes that not every fragmented box is an element, it could be a pseudo-element
- # [18:18] <SimonSapin> s/SimonSapin:/???:/
- # [18:18] <ChrisL> I like frag-box. Anything with 'element' in there implies its in the DOM as a node
- # [18:18] <dael> rossen: we can easily clarify in box decoration
- # [18:18] <dael> krit that's what I said.
- # [18:18] * glazou gives leaverou a 1000 trouble-making award on that one :-)
- # [18:18] <leaverou> agree with ChrisL
- # [18:18] <dael> fantasai: fragmenet means the element and it's consistant on that
- # [18:19] <dael> rossen I think what krit was saying is he's confused about fragmenet boxes
- # [18:19] <dael> fantasai: We were going now,, fragmenets are not peices of the block.
- # [18:19] <dael> rossen: That' wasn't my intention. The way we impl is the opposite
- # [18:19] * sgalineau thought fragments were box fragments i.e. elements generates boxes which can then be fragmented.
- # [18:19] <fantasai> s/fragmenet means the element/box is the generated abstract thing, and fragment is the piece of it/
- # [18:19] <dael> ...: There could have been mis communication, but I've always thought of them as boes.
- # [18:19] <fantasai> sgalineau, that's exactly right
- # [18:20] <dael> krit: There's a difference. Webkit is one box.
- # [18:20] <dael> ...: IE and Firefox does diff boxes.
- # [18:20] <dael> rossen: Becuase we impl frag.
- # [18:20] * TabAtkins true fact
- # [18:20] <dael> fantasai: Firefox has frames into a chain which rep box and each frame is a fragment
- # [18:20] <sgalineau> fantasai: so they're box fragments. but the terminology does not answer whether border/padding/margins get duplicated on fragments or not
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- # [18:20] <dael> krit: So in this case you're saying the frag is right?
- # [18:21] <dael> glazou: We need to move one. Can we con't on ML?
- # [18:21] <SimonSapin> sgalineau, that’s box-decoration-break
- # [18:21] <dael> rossen: Yes
- # [18:21] <leaverou> sgalineau: Isn't that what box-decoration-break is about?
- # [18:21] <dael> glazou: I think that's better.
- # [18:21] * sgalineau leaverou, simonsapin: well, that sounds like fragment decoration :)
- # [18:21] <dael> glazou: We see the problem and we should have margins etc on the fragement, but how to say it tin the spec is undefined
- # [18:21] <dael> Topic: Shapes LC
- # [18:21] * sgalineau predicts f2f bikeshedding
- # [18:21] <glazou> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-css-wg/2014JanMar/0014.html
- # [18:21] * leaverou sgalineau yeah, the name is not great
- # [18:21] <SimonSapin> sgalineau, haa, naming :)
- # [18:21] * fantasai would like to touch on fragmentation again, briefly, wrt publication
- # [18:21] <glazou> fantasai, ok
- # [18:22] <astearns> http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css-shapes/issues-lc-20131203.html
- # [18:22] <dael> astearns: WE're at the end of the comment period
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- # [18:22] <Zakim> -leif.a
- # [18:22] <dael> ...: I've gone through all and created a disposition.
- # [18:22] <ChrisL> pointer to dispo of comments?
- # [18:22] <dael> ...: got comments from divpub and posted to www-style.
- # [18:22] <dael> ...: Nothing formal from SVG, but got from TabAtkins and krit
- # [18:22] <dbaron> s/divpub/digipub/
- # [18:22] <astearns> http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css-shapes/#20131203
- # [18:22] <dael> ...: There were some explinations and clarifications.
- # [18:23] <dael> SimonSapin: SVG was also TabAtkins and he said we didn't have shape from before.
- # [18:23] <dael> astearns: He said that before LC so it's not LC
- # [18:23] <dael> ChrisL: Did he agree?
- # [18:23] <SimonSapin> s/SimonSapin:/???:/
- # [18:23] <fantasai> s/divpub/digipub/
- # [18:23] <dael> astearns: I gave him rational, but I don't remember what he said.
- # [18:23] <TabAtkins> s/TabAtkins/Tavmjong/
- # [18:24] * ChrisL was that Tab (Atkins) or Tav(mjong)?
- # [18:24] <dael> astearns: Some sub changes. I added serialization and I changed outside from auto-none and I assume we need 2nd LC
- # [18:24] * ChrisL ty
- # [18:24] <dael> ...: I want to wait until serialization of background is decided.
- # [18:24] <dael> ...: Background position changed and I had to adapt
- # [18:24] <dael> ...: I wanted to make sure they're serializing in the same way.
- # [18:24] <dael> ChrisL: I want to make sure tav's comment is addressed.
- # [18:25] <dael> ...: They did in good faith impl something we did and then we backed away
- # [18:25] <dael> ...: They need to put text in shapes and they're trying to do what CSS is doing.
- # [18:25] <dael> ...: They need to have something they can use.
- # [18:25] <dael> ...: Even though it was raised before LC, I'd encourage you to ensure he's okay.
- # [18:25] <dael> astearns: I'll get back to him on that issue.
- # [18:26] <Zakim> -??P31
- # [18:26] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
- # [18:26] <Zakim> +??P11
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- # [18:26] <dael> ...: My position from last time is, just because shape inside isn't in lvl 1 doesn't mean we can't go ahead with impl if it's a lvl 2 feature.
- # [18:26] <leif> Zakim, I am ??P11
- # [18:26] <Zakim> +leif; got it
- # [18:26] <rossen____> zakim, microsoft has me
- # [18:26] <Zakim> +rossen____; got it
- # [18:26] <dael> ...: If it's a lvl 2 feature, they can do it. WE also have it in webkit and blink and it's just postoned on impl side.
- # [18:26] <dael> glazou: I have a question on issue 6
- # [18:27] <dael> glazou: ?? said does this okay with svg WG.
- # [18:27] <dael> astearns: We didn't get an answer.
- # [18:27] <dael> astearns: We should get a positive responce, but we do need it.
- # [18:27] <dael> ChrisL: One useful way forward is to e-mail them and say we need to know if you have comments or need more time
- # [18:27] <dael> astearns: I will do that today
- # [18:28] <dael> astearns: That's all I had. I just wanted to update group
- # [18:28] <dael> Topic: CSS Syntax CR
- # [18:28] <SimonSapin> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2014Jan/0060.html
- # [18:28] <glazou> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2014Jan/0060.html
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- # [18:28] <dael> SimonSapin: I did not recieve any comments since we discussed.
- # [18:28] <dael> ...: I happen to have found something online that I tried to address with mostly editorial clarification
- # [18:28] <dael> ...: No normative changes for impl
- # [18:28] <dael> ...: This is comments from ITN WG
- # [18:29] <astearns> s/?? said does this okay with svg WG/our response asked whether this was OK with i18n/
- # [18:29] <dael> ...: So I don't know if I should wait for them or what's the next step
- # [18:29] <SimonSapin> s/ITN/I18N/
- # [18:29] <dael> glazou: The LC period ended three weeks ago so we're beyond limit
- # [18:29] <dael> fantasai: Internationalization did way they might be late.
- # [18:29] <dael> SimonSapin: Didn't tell me
- # [18:29] <dael> glazou: It's becoming urgent
- # [18:30] <dael> fantasai: I would ping Richard ? and ask him if he has comments or need time
- # [18:30] <dael> SimonSapin: I did include int. yesterday. Should I ask Richard specifically.
- # [18:30] <dael> fantasai: I would do that and give him time to respond. Their cycles are slower.
- # [18:30] <dael> ...: You should get responce this week.
- # [18:31] <dael> ...: I'm happy to say we can resolve for CR as long as they're happy, but I'd like them to say they're okay.
- # [18:31] <dael> SimonSapin: Okay
- # [18:31] <dael> SimonSapin: I'm happy to reach out
- # [18:31] <dael> glazou: I'm in principal okay with that. One point, setting a deadline and never ever meeting it is pointless.
- # [18:31] <Bert> (Richard is on vacation this week.)
- # [18:31] <dael> glazou: Four weeks beyond is a lot.
- # [18:32] <dael> ...: I'm not saying anyone is guilty, but we have a process. We can extend when people are going to take more time.
- # [18:32] * sgalineau sound from glazou is horrible
- # [18:32] <dael> ...: And we can be firmer on the limits, or there's no point in a review period.
- # [18:32] <ChrisL> they should ask for an extension. And its asking: we can say no
- # [18:32] <dael> fantasai: He did say he's busy and would be taking seveal weeks off.
- # [18:32] <dael> ...: Also, this isn't urgent to put in CR. No one is waiting for it.
- # [18:32] <dael> glazou: I agree. Remember, I said in principal.
- # [18:33] * krit sgalineau you didn’t get used to it after so many years?
- # [18:33] <dael> SimonSapin: He told you, but he should have told the WG
- # [18:33] <dael> fantasai: He should have.
- # [18:33] * sgalineau krit, behave...
- # [18:33] <dael> glazou: When you contact them, I want you to be firm with them on time.
- # [18:33] * TabAtkins Daniel sounds like a monster underwater.
- # [18:33] <dbaron> glazou, the change you made just made the sound worse
- # [18:33] <SimonSapin> glazou, your audio is completely saturated
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- # [18:33] <ChrisL> daniel we can't hear you at all well, lots of distortion
- # [18:33] * ChrisL YAY
- # [18:33] * krit yes I do :(
- # [18:34] <dael> glazou: I said that I want to be sure that SimonSapin is okay with plan to ask for somments and get extension.
- # [18:34] <dael> glazou: If you're not ok we'll decide.
- # [18:34] <dael> SimonSapin: I'm fine with waiting.
- # [18:34] <dael> glazou: Please Ping Richard ASAP
- # [18:34] <dael> ...: What I see is only editorial changes, so it's easy to move to CR if WG agrees.
- # [18:34] <dael> ...: Shall we defer to next week?
- # [18:35] <fantasai> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2013Dec/0403.htmlhttp://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2013Dec/0403.html
- # [18:35] <dael> SimonSapin: Well, we already resolved.
- # [18:35] <dael> glazou: We're waiting for comments.
- # [18:35] <dael> fantasai: We have that if internationalization agrees we can resolve.
- # [18:35] <dael> glazou: Be we don't have a resolution on these comments.
- # [18:35] <dael> SimonSapin: So we'll tlk next week
- # [18:35] <dael> glazou: That is better.
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- # [18:36] <dael> ...: If Richard answers no comments then we're fine and we can move one.
- # [18:36] <dael> SimonSapin: What is the next step for CR
- # [18:36] <dael> glazou: Bert will issue transition request and we'll have a call with a director?
- # [18:36] <dael> ChrisL: Did you see the link I posted with the specs for CR
- # [18:36] <dael> SimonSapin: My question was more what do I need to do
- # [18:37] <dael> ChrisL: As long as your dispoition of comments is in order, you don't need anything else.
- # [18:37] <dael> glazou: So you're all set.
- # [18:37] <dael> Topic: Fragmentation
- # [18:37] * smfr glazou, if you mute we might not get the echo
- # [18:37] <dael> fantasai: I wanted to, before we untangle box fragments that would require sig changes, I was wondering about pub and updated WD.
- # [18:37] <dael> ...: if people think that's a good idea.
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- # [18:38] <dael> ???: You asked me to review and I posted stuff on the 6ths of Dec.
- # [18:38] <glazou> Zakim, mute me
- # [18:38] <Zakim> glazou should now be muted
- # [18:38] <dael> fantasai: I'm happy to go through those.
- # [18:38] <sgalineau> s/???/astearns
- # [18:38] <Zakim> +??P76
- # [18:38] <dael> ...: I'll try this week and ask for a WD next week.
- # [18:38] <dael> ...: I'm also holding us boxes and borders b/c I wanted to pub both together.
- # [18:38] <glazou> Zakim, unmute me
- # [18:38] <Zakim> glazou should no longer be muted
- # [18:38] <fantasai> s/us/up/
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- # [18:39] <glazou> Zakim, mute me
- # [18:39] <Zakim> glazou should now be muted
- # [18:39] <dael> astearns: on backgrounds and borders I want cerealization defined before we publish.
- # [18:39] <dael> fantasai: Is it in OM? It's not in B&B level 3
- # [18:39] <TabAtkins> s/cerealization/serialization/
- # [18:39] * ChrisL :)
- # [18:39] <dael> astearns: You and TabAtkins were taling and said you need to make sure serialization is correct
- # [18:39] <glazou> Zakim, unmute me
- # [18:39] <Zakim> glazou should no longer be muted
- # [18:39] <dael> fantasai: It's somewhat defined but may be confusing
- # [18:39] <dael> glazou: Any other items?
- # [18:39] <tantek> Zakim, +??P76 is tantek
- # [18:39] <Zakim> sorry, tantek, I do not recognize a party named '+??P76'
- # [18:39] * leaverou side comment: Generated content on issues prevents people from searching in their browser for "Issue" to find all issues in a document
- # [18:40] <tantek> Zakim, ??P76 is tantek
- # [18:40] <Zakim> +tantek; got it
- # [18:40] <dael> glazou: I guess this is a shorter call
- # [18:40] <ChrisL> +1 to the generated content should be actual content please
- # [18:40] <glazou> Zakim, mute me
- # [18:40] <Zakim> glazou should now be muted
- # [18:40] <SimonSapin> leaverou +1
- # [18:40] <dael> ??: I wanted to ask about images. I fwe want live images for CSS image
- # [18:40] <TabAtkins> sliced-image() function
- # [18:40] <glazou> s/???:krit
- # [18:40] <glazou> s/???/krit
- # [18:40] <dael> ...: Where we have border images and if we can have something liket hat for CSS images
- # [18:40] <SimonSapin> leaverou, Bikeshed’s issue index helps, though
- # [18:40] <krit> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2014Jan/0000.html
- # [18:40] <dael> ...: I can link the proposal
- # [18:41] * TabAtkins leaverou That's why I added the Issues Index. ^_^
- # [18:41] <glazou> Zakim, unmute me
- # [18:41] <Zakim> glazou should no longer be muted
- # [18:41] <leaverou> SimonSapin: ah, good point, I forgot about that
- # [18:41] <dael> ...: The intention of the report is that we remove the box propeties that do for masking the same as border image.
- # [18:41] <dael> ...: If we use border image to avoid another property.
- # [18:41] * tantek wishes everyone in CSSWG a happy new year!
- # [18:41] <dael> ...: I want to ask the group if it makes sense to have a sliced image and if I should move forward.
- # [18:41] <glazou> you too tantek
- # [18:42] * TabAtkins But also, I did consider having Bikeshed generate the words directly.
- # [18:42] <dael> fantasai: A sliced image is fine, but anything within the image would be tricky.
- # [18:42] <dael> ???: You'd have to do an outset.
- # [18:42] <dael> fantasai: I'm not convinced. Maybe 9-slice images it useful for other things, but not for border and masking.
- # [18:42] <ChrisL> s/???/ChrisL
- # [18:42] <dael> fantasai: b/c those perameters and being about to tie to the border width
- # [18:43] <dael> ChrisL: This would move the complicated slicing numbers into imge which would simplify border image
- # [18:43] <dael> fantasai: I'm not sure how you mean
- # [18:43] <glazou> s/ChrisL/smfr
- # [18:43] <dael> smfr: If this is like masking and broder image, I don't thinkt hat's tied to the 9-piece-ness of the image.
- # [18:43] <dael> smfr: Are they tied to slice width?
- # [18:43] <dael> fantasai: Tied to how we define the outside of the box.
- # [18:44] <dael> fantasai: You'd have one big image yous tretch
- # [18:44] <dael> smfr: So the assets are seperate from 9
- # [18:44] <dael> smfr: I think this would be useful
- # [18:44] <dbaron> smfr: the outsets are independent of the 9-sliced-ness of the image
- # [18:44] <dael> fantasai: What else would you use it for.
- # [18:44] <dbaron> s/assets/outsets/
- # [18:44] <dael> smfr: The buttons.
- # [18:44] <dael> fantasai: Wouldn't you use border imge for that?
- # [18:44] <dael> smfr: I htink masking is a concrete use-case
- # [18:45] <dael> krit: For border image I don't think it's a problem, though may not make it easier. It's another way to do it.
- # [18:45] <glazou> Zakim, mute me
- # [18:45] <Zakim> glazou should now be muted
- # [18:45] <dael> fantasai: One reason we split border image is people wanted to take small pieces out.
- # [18:45] <dael> ...: This made it easier to change one piece.
- # [18:45] <dael> smfr: That's fine.
- # [18:46] <dael> fantasai: That doesn't apply to masking, but you wouldn't want to change on have.
- # [18:46] <dael> tantek: I think background use case is simplier.
- # [18:46] <dael> ...: That way you don't have to use border height to alter. Not a big advantage, but simplier to achieve end result.
- # [18:46] * jerenkrantz needs to run - Happy New Year all!
- # [18:46] <dael> fantasai: You'd still need same prop.
- # [18:46] <Zakim> -[Bloomberg]
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- # [18:46] <dael> tantek: It's less work slightly on metrics pieces, which is the harder piece to get right.
- # [18:47] <glazou> Zakim, unmute me
- # [18:47] <Zakim> glazou should no longer be muted
- # [18:47] <dael> glazou: So, krit, anything else on this?
- # [18:47] <glazou> Zakim, mute me
- # [18:47] <Zakim> glazou should now be muted
- # [18:47] <dael> krit: My intention was to have match box.
- # [18:47] <dael> ...: I'd like to emphasis even with proposals I'd still like to have mask-box
- # [18:47] <smfr> s/match box/mask box
- # [18:47] <dael> fantasai: I think it makes sense.
- # [18:48] <dael> krit: So smfr should we proceed with this image prop to replace mask box?
- # [18:48] <dael> smfr: I thinkit would be useful to solicit use-cases to see if it would be useful.
- # [18:48] <dael> krit: That's independant of mask image
- # [18:48] <dael> ...: So do we want mask box or proceed with replacing it with mask image
- # [18:49] <dael> smfr: I don't know if I can make that call now
- # [18:49] <dael> krit: I'm fine with waiting, but how long?
- # [18:49] <dael> smfr: If we do this, it would be images 4, right?
- # [18:49] <glazou> Zakim, unmute me
- # [18:49] <Zakim> glazou should no longer be muted
- # [18:49] <dael> fantasai: We have F2F coming up. This could be on the adjenda to wrap this up.
- # [18:49] <dael> smfr: That's resonable.
- # [18:49] <dael> krit: Aboslutely.
- # [18:49] <Zakim> -dbaron
- # [18:49] <dael> glazou: Anything else?
- # [18:49] <glazou> Zakim, unmute me
- # [18:49] <Zakim> glazou was not muted, glazou
- # [18:50] <smfr> whoa
- # [18:50] <glazou> not me
- # [18:50] * sgalineau whoa that was awesome
- # [18:50] * plh zakim, who is on the phone?
- # [18:50] * Zakim sees on the phone: dael, krit, ChrisL, dauwhe, leif, Stearns, [Bloomberg.a], antonp, SimonSapin, fantasai, Bert, Plh, smfr, glenn, SGalineau, TabAtkins, Lea, SteveZ, glazou,
- # [18:50] <glazou> Zakim, mute me
- # [18:50] * TabAtkins OH SHIT THE ACID IS KICKING IN
- # [18:50] * Zakim ... [Microsoft], leif.a, tantek
- # [18:50] * Zakim [Bloomberg.a] has arybka
- # [18:50] * Zakim [Microsoft] has rossen____
- # [18:50] <Zakim> glazou should now be muted
- # [18:50] * plh zakim, who is making noise?
- # [18:50] <glazou> ROFL
- # [18:50] * sgalineau it's like the beginning of a Pink Floyd album
- # [18:50] * tantek echo echo echo ...
- # [18:50] * Zakim plh, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: krit (23%), fantasai (29%), Bert (25%)
- # [18:50] <rossen____> :)
- # [18:50] <leaverou> ROFL tab
- # [18:50] <glazou> Zakim, unmute me
- # [18:50] <Zakim> glazou should no longer be muted
- # [18:50] <dael> ??: How about June dates?
- # [18:50] <dael> glazou: I was away for last 10 days and couldn't ping Samsung.
- # [18:50] <dael> ...: I'll do that now and report ASAP.
- # [18:51] <TabAtkins> Huge +1 for Korea meeting.
- # [18:51] <SimonSapin> s/??/SteveZ/
- # [18:51] <dael> stevez: You're away that AC meeting is 8-10?
- # [18:51] <dael> glazou: Plan is to have it in Seoul, not Samsung HQ because we'd have netowrk issues.
- # [18:51] <dael> glazou: I'll report as soon as I can.
- # [18:51] <dael> glazou: I guess that's all for today
- # [18:51] <Zakim> -Plh
- # [18:51] <Zakim> -SGalineau
- # [18:51] <Zakim> -smfr
- # [18:51] <dael> glazou: Talk to you next week! Bye!
- # [18:51] <Zakim> -antonp
- # [18:51] <Zakim> -fantasai
- # [18:51] <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
- # [18:51] <Zakim> -Stearns
- # [18:51] <Zakim> -dauwhe
- # [18:51] <Zakim> -SimonSapin
- # [18:51] <Zakim> -ChrisL
- # [18:51] <Zakim> -Lea
- # [18:51] <Zakim> -glazou
- # [18:52] <Zakim> -tantek
- # [18:52] <Zakim> -krit
- # [18:52] <Zakim> -SteveZ
- # [18:52] <Zakim> -dael
- # [18:52] <Zakim> -Bert
- # [18:52] <Zakim> -leif.a
- # [18:52] <Zakim> -TabAtkins
- # [18:52] * Quits: glazou (~glazou@public.cloak) (glazou)
- # [18:52] <Zakim> -glenn
- # [18:52] <Zakim> -[Bloomberg.a]
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- # [19:00] <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, leif, in Style_CSS FP()12:00PM
- # [19:01] <Zakim> Style_CSS FP()12:00PM has ended
- # [19:01] <Zakim> Attendees were dael, glazou, krit, ChrisL, dauwhe, leif, jerenkrantz, Stearns, [Bloomberg], +37684aaaa, antonp, SimonSapin, fantasai, Bert, Plh, smfr, florian, me], arybka, rossen,
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The end :)