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  1. # Session Start: Sat Jan 25 00:00:02 2014
  2. # Session Ident: #css
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  6. # [00:14] <SimonSapin> TabAtkins: <dfn> in <a> makes Bikeshed generate <a> in <a> which does not pas HTML validation
  7. # [00:14] <TabAtkins> Oh, I thought I'd done the reverse. Sorry, feel free to switch the ordering.
  8. # [00:15] <SimonSapin> wait, now I’m not sure
  9. # [00:15] <SimonSapin> I’ll check
  10. # [00:15] <TabAtkins> It will. The <dfn> generates an <a> as its last child.
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  12. # [00:18] <SimonSapin> right, but you used <a> in <dfn> so it should be fine
  13. # [00:18] <TabAtkins> Yes.
  14. # [00:18] <TabAtkins> (I'm pretty sure Bikeshed emits a warning for the wrong embedding.)
  15. # [00:18] <SimonSapin> why is "get an encoding" exported?
  16. # [00:18] <TabAtkins> Because it seems like it might be useful?
  17. # [00:18] <SimonSapin> (what does <dfn export> mean, compared to <dfn>?)
  18. # [00:19] <TabAtkins> type="dfn" definitions aren't exported by default - they're only usable from within the document, unless you specifically indicate you want the def from that spec (with a spec='' attr on the link). export makes them generally available.
  19. # [00:20] <TabAtkins> Every other dfn type is exported by default, and there's a noexport attr if you want to turn that off.
  20. # [00:20] <SimonSapin> why would CSS Syntax be the one exporting this rather than Encoding?
  21. # [00:20] <TabAtkins> Shrug.
  22. # [00:20] <TabAtkins> You're likely right. Go ahead and unexport it.
  23. # [00:22] <fantasai> sylvaing: Hi! If I ship a laptop battery to your name at Adobe's Seattle office, will that work?
  24. # [00:22] * fantasai needs a new battery apparently
  25. # [00:29] <krit> fantasai: yes it would. But not sure if sylvaing can actually use the battery :D
  26. # [00:30] <SimonSapin> http://ecoledemusiqueorneodon.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/batterie.jpg
  27. # [00:30] <fantasai> krit: Well, yes, but then maybe I can get it from Sylvain :)
  28. # [00:33] <fantasai> krit: Is this the right address for shipping? http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/maps/seattle_map.html
  29. # [00:37] <krit> fantasai: yes, that is the correct address
  30. # [00:37] <SimonSapin> TabAtkins: <details> renders pretty bad without display: block
  31. # [00:37] <TabAtkins> Ooh, didn't realize that. I'll fix the stylesheet.
  32. # [00:38] <TabAtkins> (Firefox should implement <details>, dammit!)
  33. # [00:39] <SimonSapin> How is <details> better than <div class=note>?
  34. # [00:39] <TabAtkins> It gets out of the way, and lets you be a little wordier without breaking the flow of the section too much.
  35. # [00:40] <TabAtkins> I use it for things that aren't really even non-normative advice, but just explanations of something non-obvious.
  36. # [00:43] <SimonSapin> "UTF-8 is the default encoding for the web" uhm, I wish
  37. # [00:43] <TabAtkins> utf-8 is spreading surprisingly fast.
  38. # [00:43] <TabAtkins> The usage numbers were much higher than I anticipated, based on some internal stats last year.
  39. # [00:44] <TabAtkins> All this evangelizing (and requiring it in new resource formats) seems to be having an effect.
  40. # [00:46] <SimonSapin> it should be what everyone uses, but it’s not the UA’s default in HTML without declaration in most locales
  41. # [00:47] <TabAtkins> I didn't say it was the UA default.
  42. # [00:47] <TabAtkins> ^_^
  43. # [00:48] <TabAtkins> I had a lot of fun, by the way, inserting in the gibberish that you'd need to use to get an encoding declaration recognized for utf-16 *in* utf-16. ^_^
  44. # [00:53] <fantasai> krit: Thanks
  45. # [00:53] <fantasai> krit: Here's hoping it gets there before I leave ;)
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  48. # [01:06] <SimonSapin> fantasai: can we move http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css-syntax/#environment-encoding-at-import to Cascade without going back to LC?
  49. # [01:06] <SimonSapin> with Syntax itself going to CR
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  51. # [01:07] <fantasai> I'm not sure
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  53. # [01:08] <fantasai> I doubt it would affect anyone's interpretation of either spec or the combination to move it
  54. # [01:08] <fantasai> so it probably should be alright
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  74. # [04:44] <Henke37> Ive been thinking about scrollbars
  75. # [04:45] <Henke37> some applictions offer tooltips for scroll positions, would that be something that css should do?
  76. # [04:45] <Henke37> after all, css is responsible for the layout
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  78. # [05:04] <Liam> Henke37, not sure what you mean by scroll positions in this context
  79. # [05:05] <Henke37> I mean labels like "page 42", timecodes like "0:42" and headings like "the answer to life, universe and everything"
  80. # [05:06] <Henke37> that show up on the scrolling area to aid in scrolling to where you want
  81. # [05:06] <Liam> well, isn't the presentation of those tied to the environment, toolkit etc?
  82. # [05:06] <Liam> I agree there should probably be a way to mark up / supply the information for them
  83. # [05:07] <Henke37> true, it is the later part that I wonder about
  84. # [05:08] <Liam> and we don't have that really - there's nothing special about content in the running heads/feet, no way to "name" a page for instance, although there are extensions for that sort of thing
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  86. # [05:08] <Liam> e.g. antenna house has CSS extensions
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