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  102. # [17:12] <glazou> plinss, yt?
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  105. # [17:18] <glazou> hi Ms2ger
  106. # [17:18] * glazou is slowly readapting to normal life and coding
  107. # [17:19] <glazou> but still hundreds of message to sort
  108. # [17:19] <Ms2ger> Fun stuff
  109. # [17:19] <glazou> always
  110. # [17:19] <glazou> and I love so much reporting
  111. # [17:19] <glazou> but that's better than accounting though
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  159. # [20:55] <liam> TabAtkins_, very minor, I don't understand 100% what Adam wants either, or rather I think I do understand and don't like it :-), but XSL didn't use namespaced attributes, you can just write <xsl:block font-size="26pt">...
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  161. # [21:00] <TabAtkins_> liam: Ah, okay. I did a quick search and saw some code samples with that, so I assumed it was correct.
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  163. # [21:02] <liam> and, xml namespaces are enough of a pain without putting them inside attributes needlessly :-)
  164. # [21:04] <TabAtkins_> Good lord, yes.
  165. # [21:04] <TabAtkins_> I mean, if Adam clarifies himself, the obvious answer will just be "XML namespaces failed on the web; we're not spreading them to anything else. Sorry."
  166. # [21:07] <liam> well, they were broken as designed, we were given 2 weeks to design them with some impossible constraints. But, they are not what the RDF people want them to be either.
  167. # [21:08] <Ms2ger> Didn't the RDF people decide they didn't want XML at all?
  168. # [21:08] <liam> yes, after using possibly the worst XML vocabulary ever designed
  169. # [21:08] <liam> and manipulating it with some of the worst APIs (like XMLDOM!) they all went insane.
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  171. # [21:12] <Ms2ger> Or maybe it was a preexisting condition :)
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  174. # [21:12] <liam> Ms2ger, :)
  175. # [21:13] <liam> the confusion (evident in Adam's mail too) is between a naming authority with a controlled vocabulary, and identifying a syntax; XML namespaces are for the syntax, not the naming authority. Adam should use data-* attributes probably.
  176. # [21:13] <liam> maybe i should reply to that effect
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  179. # [21:14] <TabAtkins_> I suggest not replying at all. Dude posts bizarre screeds to www-style and other lists regularly. (Had someone in Twitter say that he does it in the Mozilla list, too.)
  180. # [21:14] <liam> oh ok
  181. # [21:14] * liam takes up Tab's suggestion willingly. :)
  182. # [21:15] <TabAtkins_> I just wanted to get an "I don't see any suggestion in this email" on the list, since it's tagged with one of my specs.
  183. # [21:15] <liam> fair enough
  184. # [21:16] <liam> I do see a suggestion, but since he doesn't actually come out and say, "I suggest..." I think your reply is sufficient to say the comment was dealt with.
  185. # [21:16] <TabAtkins_> Barely. He posted a single syntax example, without a single justifying use-case or even a description of the problem.
  186. # [21:16] <liam> yes
  187. # [21:17] <liam> (I know enough background of the rdfa stuff to figure out what I think he's thinking, but it doesn't matter, he'll get a "no" in any case I expect)
  188. # [21:17] <TabAtkins_> Indeed.
  189. # [21:17] <TabAtkins_> Yeah, I know what he's thinking, but still.
  190. # [21:17] <liam> :)
  191. # [21:18] <TabAtkins_> I'm not willing to put any extra effort into decoding his message into actionable suggestions, when I'm just going to say "No" to them with the full support of the WG. Particularly since he's the kind of person that, if he responds, would strongly disagree with my position and require annoying explanation that won't resolve anything.
  192. # [21:18] * TabAtkins_ is now known as TabAtkins
  193. # [21:18] <liam> 's ok, we've spent more time on it than I'd meant to distract you with, sorry :)
  194. # [21:18] <TabAtkins> Haha, no problem.
  195. # [21:19] <TabAtkins> Always good to have my history corrected.
  196. # [21:19] <TabAtkins> I want to be *accurately* prejudiced.
  197. # [21:19] <liam> :D
  198. # [21:19] <liam> there's good and bad in both systems. which i'll be talking about in prague later this month.
  199. # [21:20] <liam> (talk aimed at encouraging people to think about moving from xsl-fo to css)
  200. # [21:20] <TabAtkins> Ah, cool.
  201. # [21:20] <TabAtkins> Filmed?
  202. # [21:20] <liam> probably
  203. # [21:20] <TabAtkins> I'd be interested in seeing it, if you can link me afterwards.
  204. # [21:20] <liam> or more precisely from using css embedded in xsl-fo to css with html
  205. # [21:21] <liam> will do
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