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  6. # [00:10] <SimonSapin> grid-template parsing. Such ambiguity. So look-ahead.
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  33. # [04:03] <TabAtkins> SimonSapin: We make no promises about lookahead with property grammars.
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  38. # [04:23] <TabAtkins> fantasai: I've given it some thought the last few days, and I really think that ?? is a half-decent "any of these, in order" combinator.
  39. # [04:24] <TabAtkins> Rather, "at least one, in order".
  40. # [04:24] <TabAtkins> Because "at least zero, in order" is just concatenation with ? after each term, so it's really close.
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  42. # [04:39] <liam> sort of like && in other languages?
  43. # [04:39] <liam> or ||
  44. # [04:39] <liam> hmm, no, ok, n/m
  45. # [04:41] * liam somehow misread any of these and at least one to be at least one of each of these in any order
  46. # [04:51] <fantasai> TabAtkins: Okay :)
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  85. # [09:57] <SimonSapin> TabAtkins: hum… can Bikeshed autolink grammar combinators to their definition?
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  141. # [17:54] <TabAtkins> SimonSapin: Maaaaybe.
  142. # [17:54] <TabAtkins> We don't do it very often anymore, but we sometimes indicate grammar productions with a <pre class=prod>. I'd be more comfortable doing that.
  143. # [17:55] <TabAtkins> That is, within a pre.prod, search for and auto-link combinators.
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  146. # [18:05] <SimonSapin> yes, I didn’t mean to have bikeshed guess what’s a grammar or not
  147. # [18:05] <TabAtkins> All right then, yeah, I could link combinators if you think it woudln't be too distracting.
  148. # [18:06] <SimonSapin> I don’t know if it would
  149. # [18:07] <TabAtkins> I'll try it out.
  150. # [18:07] <SimonSapin> the original concern is like with Selector combinators, if we keep adding more of them with ASCII sigils, associating them with meaning becomes less obvious
  151. # [18:08] <SimonSapin> (obligatory xkcd http://xkcd.com/1306/ )
  152. # [18:08] <TabAtkins> SimonSapin: Yeah, totally get that.
  153. # [18:08] <TabAtkins> The one we're discussing, though, is just filling the final hole.
  154. # [18:08] <SimonSapin> do we have anything that uses it yet?
  155. # [18:08] <TabAtkins> We have the ability to express 5 of the 6 possibilities in {zero or more, one or more, all} x {in order, any order}
  156. # [18:09] <TabAtkins> We have lots of things that *want* to use it, and instead use clumsy grammar constructions.
  157. # [18:09] <SimonSapin> I’ve learned it by now, but I rembemer && was non-obvious to me
  158. # [18:10] <TabAtkins> Rather than "A ?? B", you have to say "A | A? B"
  159. # [18:10] <TabAtkins> And it's more complicated with 3 terms, I think.
  160. # [18:11] <SimonSapin> perhaps the link doesn’t need to be on the combinator itself
  161. # [18:11] <SimonSapin> like on "Values:" in propdef tables?
  162. # [18:11] <TabAtkins> A | A? B | A? B? C, I think.
  163. # [18:12] <TabAtkins> Hm, I no longer generate the propdef "Values" link. I should add that in.
  164. # [18:12] <SimonSapin> linking to http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css-values/#value-defs ?
  165. # [18:13] <TabAtkins> Yeah, that doesn't happen in Bikeshed propdefs right now.
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  193. # [21:50] <TabAtkins> Bert: Can you un-wedge the email from Alex Sexton in the www-style queue?
  194. # [21:51] <Bert> Hi TabAtkins. Let me check...
  195. # [21:55] <Bert> Done.
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