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  55. # [08:04] <fantasai> krit: was going to do that today, but didn't get to it. :/
  56. # [08:04] <fantasai> krit: I'll try for tomorrow after work
  57. # [08:05] * fantasai is behind on things by about 6 hours
  58. # [08:13] <liam> wow, i wish i could manage to be only 6hrs behind!
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  77. # [12:01] <zcorpan> is it too late to book the hotel in Seoul?
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  87. # [14:15] <dauwhe> zcorpan: I booked on March 3 with no issues.
  88. # [14:15] <zcorpan> dauwhe: ok, thx
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  91. # [14:44] <krit> fantasai: ok, thanks!
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  134. # [18:40] <TabAtkins> SimonSapin: I don't remember, but looking over it now, it appears that you're right, and we just added the slash to be consistent with all the other properties in Grid that use a slash to separate rows from columns.
  135. # [18:42] <TabAtkins> fantasai: I don't remember if I told you or not, but Bikeshed *does* handle em-dashes now. Just end a line with --, and it'll auto-replace it and pull the next line up so there's no whitespace.
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  157. # [21:29] <TabAtkins> heycam|away: It looks like you were unaware that --foo requires parser changes when you first said that it was okay, in the Variables thread.
  158. # [21:29] <TabAtkins> heycam|away: Can you confirm, now that you know it's a parser change, whether it's acceptable to you in your current timeframe?
  159. # [21:40] <astearns> TabAtkins: the variables spec mentions access through getPropertyValue() - what about a var-position or --position custom property?
  160. # [21:41] <TabAtkins> What about it?
  161. # [21:41] <astearns> ah, you'd use the whole 'var-position'
  162. # [21:41] <TabAtkins> You use the property name, yes.
  163. # [21:42] <astearns> spec says you use the "proper name" :)
  164. # [21:42] <TabAtkins> Yes, in contrast with the camel-cased variant of their name.
  165. # [21:43] <astearns> given that the map uses the strip-prefix variant of the name, it might be good to have an example of getPropertyValue
  166. # [21:43] <TabAtkins> I'm dropping the map.
  167. # [21:43] <TabAtkins> So yeah, I'll be putting in some examples.
  168. # [21:59] <sylvaing_> ok, being slow here: you won't see the custom property as style.foo but you'd have to call getPropertyValue() with the full name.
  169. # [21:59] <TabAtkins> sylvaing_:
  170. # [21:59] <TabAtkins> sylvaing_: Yes. el.style.getPropertyValue("--foo") would work.
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  172. # [22:00] <TabAtkins> It would be possible to add it as a named property on el.style, but it would require that we use the literal property name still, not the camel-cased version.
  173. # [22:00] <TabAtkins> You'd have to do "el.style['--foo']"
  174. # [22:01] <sylvaing_> that'd be nice, actually
  175. # [22:04] <TabAtkins> Yeah, I'm not opposed, it's just potentially weird.
  176. # [22:04] <sylvaing_> how so?
  177. # [22:04] <sylvaing_> cosmetically or other?
  178. # [22:04] <TabAtkins> Because el.style['background-color'] doesn't work.
  179. # [22:04] <sylvaing_> doh. right.
  180. # [22:04] <TabAtkins> (It does in some browsers, but CSSOM isn't specifying it.)
  181. # [22:04] <sylvaing_> can't we fix that?
  182. # [22:04] <TabAtkins> Maybe.
  183. # [22:04] <sylvaing_> seems weird that it doesn't from a JS standpoint
  184. # [22:04] <TabAtkins> I dont' disagree.
  185. # [22:04] <sylvaing_> principle of least surprise etc
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  187. # [22:05] <TabAtkins> Yeah, plus it's annoying when doing JS manipulation, because you have to convert names yourself.
  188. # [22:05] <sylvaing_> fair to say it's weird. I don't think we should exclude it because of odd past decisions
  189. # [22:05] <sylvaing_> ok, not sure I get what you mean here. what conversion?
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  191. # [22:07] <TabAtkins> I've seen several cases where, for whatever reason, some JS is receiving/storing property names normally, and then has to convert them to camelCase to use them.
  192. # [22:07] <TabAtkins> (People don't seem to like to use gPV()/etc.)
  193. # [22:08] <sylvaing_> well, wouldn't the ability to do style['background-color'] help vs. doing the background-color to backgroundColor conversion yourself then?
  194. # [22:08] <sylvaing_> or was that what you were saying? :)
  195. # [22:09] <TabAtkins> Yes.
  196. # [22:09] <sylvaing_> cool, thx.
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  203. # [22:23] <TabAtkins> sylvaing_: Heh, I like how your message autocorrected "--foo" into starting with an em-dash.
  204. # [22:29] <krit> TabAtkins: thankfully that doesn't happen in editors
  205. # [22:29] <krit> TabAtkins: but in pretty much all application otherwise on mac (and in many on windows too)
  206. # [22:29] <Ms2ger> How silly
  207. # [22:29] <Ms2ger> -- is en-dash
  208. # [22:29] <TabAtkins> Document editors, sure.
  209. # [22:29] <Ms2ger> em-dash is ---
  210. # [22:30] <sylvaing_> yeah OSX Mail insists to do that. can't figure out how to turn it off
  211. # [22:30] <sylvaing_> Jonny Ive probably knew better
  212. # [22:31] <sylvaing_> even if it turn off all spell checking it still does it; even in plain text mode. argh.
  213. # [22:32] <sylvaing_> where we learn there is a reason to use Outlook
  214. # [22:32] <krit> sylvaing_: maybe you should propose to use em/en-dash for custom properties then :)
  215. # [22:34] <Ms2ger> Thunderbird :)
  216. # [22:35] <astearns> TabAtkins: any thoughts on my suggestion to split declaring custom properties and using them?
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  218. # [22:36] <astearns> the same idea just surfaced on #webkit
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  224. # [23:01] <bkardell_> My workplace blocks IRC :(
  225. # [23:03] <hober> bkardell_: that's what ssh & screen are for
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  230. # [23:18] <bkardell_> I wish we could really narrow down 'these are the possible options that are actually doable' for custom things
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  232. # [23:20] <bkardell_> would be good if we could get heycam to confirm that he realizes -- involves a parser change and it can remain on the table, otherwise, that's just noise
  233. # [23:21] <krit> TabAtkins: the initial value of a custom property is null and not "" ?
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