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  21. # [00:56] <liam> plinss, is there a way to make off-the-record comments that log-bot won't pick up?
  22. # [00:57] <plinss> liam: not curently, suggesstions? (fwiw the other logbot at http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/css/ will still get them)
  23. # [00:58] <plinss> unless it also has a mechanism that I don’t know about
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  27. # [01:00] <liam> the w3c logbots ignore /me CTCP actions
  28. # [01:00] <liam> and also lines starting with [off]
  29. # [01:01] <liam> it's mostly useful for URLs you don't want to enter the googlosphere I think
  30. # [01:01] <liam> but if there are other logbots here, maybe not an issue unless they changed too.
  31. # [01:01] <liam> ooh, the Web page updates in real time
  32. # [01:01] <plinss> yes, it does
  33. # [01:02] <liam> this Web thing is awfully clever!
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  35. # [01:03] <plinss> I have the logbot record /me actions because there’s often useful, or at least amusing, comments there
  36. # [01:03] <plinss> but I could have it ignore [hidden]
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  38. # [01:03] <plinss> [hidden]
  39. # [01:04] <plinss> looks like it does...
  40. # [01:04] * liam wonders about actions
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  44. # [01:05] <liam> maybe there's some hope that others would support [hidden]
  45. # [01:06] <plinss> I’ll ask Krijn about adding it to his
  46. # [01:06] <liam> oh, awesome, thanks
  47. # [01:06] <plinss> if he adds it, I will too
  48. # [01:06] <liam> ok :)
  49. # [01:08] * dauwhe can you make a page that shows *only* IRC snark?
  50. # [01:08] <liam> :)
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  52. # [01:09] <dauwhe> plinss: the new log is awesome.
  53. # [01:09] <plinss> dauwhe: thanks
  54. # [01:10] <plinss> just a little something I whipped up :-)
  55. # [01:11] <dauwhe> I only discovered the older logbot a month or two ago, and found it very useful. This is even better.
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  58. # [01:16] <liam> plins++ :)
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  116. # [09:04] <krijnhoetmer> plinss, liam: added! http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/css/20140612#l-38
  117. # [09:05] <krijnhoetmer> Everything after [hidden]
  118. # [09:05] <krijnhoetmer> Also, CSS [hidden]
  119. # [09:06] <plinss> krijnhoetmer: cool, thanks, I’ll add that feature to my logger tomorrow
  120. # [09:06] <liam> krijnhoetmer, :) :)
  121. # [09:06] <liam> awesomeness
  122. # [09:07] <krijnhoetmer> plinss: ow, sorry, just emailed you as well
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  124. # [09:07] <[off]> test
  125. # [09:07] <[off]> boo
  126. # [09:07] <krijnhoetmer> :)
  127. # [09:07] * [hidden]
  128. # [09:08] <krijnhoetmer> That works though!
  129. # [09:08] <zcorpan> yeah i could use /me all the time, but then that's about as annoying as using [off]
  130. # [09:08] <krijnhoetmer> You don't want the stuff you say logged?
  131. # [09:08] * krijnhoetmer is now known as krijn
  132. # [09:09] <zcorpan> i do, i was just curious if it would work
  133. # [09:09] <Ms2ger> liam, what's the use case, btw?
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  135. # [09:11] <krijn> plinss: case-insensitive
  136. # [09:13] <Ms2ger> For the people following along at home: the keyword is [-o-f-f-]
  137. # [09:16] <krijn> Nobody reads the logs anyway ;)
  138. # [10:09] <liam> Ms2ger, well, I asked if Peter's bot had the facility because the W3C ones do, partly for saying things off the record in meetings, partly so you can paste a URL without it becoming search-engine visible
  139. # [10:10] <liam> the w3c one only recognises the [ o f f ] string at the start of the line, though.
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  147. # [14:23] <krit> zcorpan: ping
  148. # [14:23] <zcorpan> pong
  149. # [14:25] <krit> zcorpan: DOMRect and DOMQuad do not have constructors where you can pass the object types themselves
  150. # [14:26] <krit> zcorpan: so if you get back a DOMRecctReadOnly you can not simply do DOMRect(other) to have mutable object
  151. # [14:26] <krit> zcorpan: should we add those?
  152. # [14:26] <zcorpan> krit: maybe
  153. # [14:27] <krit> zcorpan: no opinion?
  154. # [14:28] <zcorpan> krit: seems reasonable on the face of it but i don't have this paged in, so dunno. maybe i had considered and rejected it already? can you do a quick search on the list?
  155. # [14:28] <zcorpan> i'm in the middle of <img>, sorry :-)
  156. # [14:29] <zcorpan> if there's a use case or impl interest then we should add it. if it's just "for completeness" then it's less clear
  157. # [14:32] <zcorpan> krit: it seems roc's original proposal didn't have it so possibly it's not in the spec for that reason
  158. # [14:33] <zcorpan> krit: ask roc see what he thinks
  159. # [14:37] <krit> zcorpan: will do, thanks!
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  179. # [17:23] <krit> plinss: Hi. Can a test suite be created from https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/ ?
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  185. # [17:50] <Henke37> so Ive been following the background image cropping thread on the mainling list
  186. # [17:51] <Henke37> the debate right now seems to be about fragment identifiers
  187. # [17:52] <Henke37> I wonder why css even defines them, that seems to be the job of the mime type registration document
  188. # [17:54] <Henke37> to me it seems like the wrong place
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  193. # [18:08] <Henke37> this also risks conflict if a type already defines semantics for the fragment identifier
  194. # [18:08] <Henke37> for example, video/example could define it as a timecode or the frame number
  195. # [18:09] <Henke37> and image/vnd.ms.icon could allow specifying which of the many possible bitmaps to select
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  211. # [19:31] <plinss> krit: possibly for some of the specs in there, many don’t have the metadata we need
  212. # [19:32] <plinss> but basically all the tests in wpt are designed to be run with their test runner
  213. # [19:33] <TabAtkins> Henke37: CSS doesn't define frags. We just reference the MF spec.
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  215. # [19:35] <Henke37> hmm, so it does
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  220. # [19:39] <krit> plinss: so with the right meta data, it should be possible
  221. # [19:40] <plinss> krit: yes, basically we really just need a link to somewhere within a spec
  222. # [19:40] <krit> plinss: cool, thanks
  223. # [19:40] <plinss> I know they generally use directory names instead of spec links in the test like we do, if necessary I can update our build tools to respect that
  224. # [19:41] <plinss> but many of their tests don’t even do that
  225. # [19:41] <plinss> out of curiosity, which spec(s) are you interested in?
  226. # [19:41] <krit> plinss: yeah, I’ll make sure that we have the necessary meta data for geometry interfaces tests
  227. # [19:42] <krit> plinss: :) geometry interfaces
  228. # [19:42] <plinss> ah
  229. # [19:42] <krit> Henke37: no it doesn’t MF is not in the charter of the CSS WG. The CSS WG does not work on MF...
  230. # [19:43] <Henke37> krit, that's what I just siad
  231. # [19:43] <krit> Henke37: CSS just happens to use URL which makes sense… You could see MF as an extension of URL
  232. # [19:43] <krit> Henke37: no, you said CSS defines it… CSS doesn’t
  233. # [19:43] <krit> Henke37: we just use URL
  234. # [19:44] <Henke37> I confirmed that it was as tab claimed
  235. # [19:44] <Henke37> which is what you also claim
  236. # [19:44] <krit> Henke37: ok, this was not clear from your comment
  237. # [19:44] <krit> Henke37: sorry then
  238. # [19:45] <Henke37> no worries, my breivity does lead to misunderstandings sometimes
  239. # [19:45] <Henke37> anyway, actually reading the MF spec sorta calms me
  240. # [19:45] <Henke37> it explicitly doesn't address one of my examples
  241. # [19:46] <TabAtkins> Henke37: Which is?
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  247. # [20:01] <Henke37> the icon issue
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  251. # [20:02] <Henke37> for those who didn't know, icon files can contain multiple bitmaps, selected based on size and color depth. the mf specs calls them out as MUST not be supported
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  253. # [20:09] <plinss> liam: support for [hidden]
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  266. # [21:57] <gregwhitworth> does anyone know the best way to target the table spec? Just use subject [css-tables]?
  267. # [21:57] <TabAtkins> Yeah.
  268. # [21:58] <gregwhitworth> I know the css3 one is deprecated
  269. # [21:58] <TabAtkins> Thought no one edits it or plans to.
  270. # [21:58] <gregwhitworth> I found a couple interop issues regarding tables
  271. # [21:58] <gregwhitworth> I can just shoot them to the list in general I guess
  272. # [21:59] <gregwhitworth> thanks
  273. # [22:11] <Ms2ger> gregwhitworth, would be more surprising if you didn't find any :/
  274. # [22:12] <gregwhitworth> My main problem is that it's about 3 seperate bugs and I want to make sure to help this dev out and get us all interopable but also get the point across to the list
  275. # [22:12] <gregwhitworth> I'll send it out shortly
  276. # [22:12] <gregwhitworth> hopefully it will make sense
  277. # [22:12] <gregwhitworth> :)
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