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  19. # [01:16] <dael> ping TabAtkins or leaverou_away?
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  27. # [02:00] <dael> ping leaverou?
  28. # [02:00] <leaverou> here, but on a really terrible connection so I might drop at any point
  29. # [02:01] <dael> Can you help me with the minutes? I'm not sure if I've got the HWB vs HSV right.
  30. # [02:01] <leaverou> dael: ^^
  31. # [02:01] <leaverou> Sure!
  32. # [02:01] <leaverou> (if the connection behaves)
  33. # [02:01] <dael> Thanks! Lemme do some pasting.
  34. # [02:02] <dael> Here's the section I'm not sure on:
  35. # [02:03] <dael> leaverou: TabAtkins and I discussed on IRC after the last call. If we do HSL there's a saturation issue. If we use thewhole word, saturation is the same name, but different meanings.
  36. # [02:03] <dael> TabAtkins: So we need an extra type whose sole purpose is to differentiate between HSL and HWB?
  37. # [02:03] <dael> fantasai: I don't think a type is right, I think you need separate functions with separate names.
  38. # [02:03] <dael> fantasai: You may just have HSL saturation and HWB saturation.
  39. # [02:04] <leaverou> these are not contiguous, right?
  40. # [02:04] <dael> No, sorry.
  41. # [02:04] <leaverou> so, the first one should be
  42. # [02:05] <leaverou> leaverou: There is an issue that TabAtkins and I discussed on IRC after the last call. If we don’t have single letter properties, the collisions are much fewer. However, there is still one. If we ever add HSV, there will be a collision on the saturation property, since HSV’s saturation is very different from HSL saturation.
  43. # [02:06] <leaverou> on the second one (and actually, all of them) substitute HWB with HSV
  44. # [02:06] <leaverou> there was no discussion on HWB, it was all HSV
  45. # [02:06] <dael> Thank you so much! I didn't know HWB or HSV existed before the call ^-^
  46. # [02:07] <leaverou> they’re really fascinating. I added the Wikipedia entry on HWB a few months ago :)
  47. # [02:07] * dael heads to wikipedia...
  48. # [02:08] <leaverou> also, this: fantasai: You may just have HSL saturation and HWB saturation, should be HSLSaturation/HSVSaturation I believe
  49. # [02:08] <leaverou> I think fantasai suggested having the color model name in the property name
  50. # [02:09] <leaverou> dael: Re:wikipedia, it's this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HWB_color_model
  51. # [02:11] <dael> It is facinating.
  52. # [02:12] <leaverou> I coded an implementation of hwb() in JS, if you wanna play with it
  53. # [02:12] <leaverou> for one of my talks
  54. # [02:12] <leaverou> lemme try to find it
  55. # [02:12] <dael> That would be awesome!
  56. # [02:12] <leaverou> http://leaverou.github.io/chroma-zone/#slide65
  57. # [02:13] <leaverou> you can also use the keyboard arrows (+shift for +-10) for incrementing/decrementing values
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  59. # [02:14] <leaverou> I also have a SCSS implementation somewhere which emulates the CSS hwb() so you can use it today in SCSS stylesheets
  60. # [02:14] <leaverou> oh, actually it's on the next slide, lol
  61. # [02:15] <leaverou> dael: no, 2nd next. The next one is basic and doesn't account for W+B > 100%
  62. # [02:15] <dael> Me and SASS only barely know each other, so I'll take your word for it :)
  63. # [02:16] <leaverou> well, it's not exactly sophisticated for algorithms. If you know any programming language, you can understand it :)
  64. # [02:17] <dael> True enough. This is a pretty neat presentation...I'm now skimming the rest.
  65. # [02:18] <leaverou> dael: Most slides are interactive, so not all make sense
  66. # [02:18] <leaverou> dael: Also, you'll see a similar slide for the color() function, but it's very limited in what it supports (only what I planned to show in the talk)
  67. # [02:20] <dael> leaverou: True, but the parts that stand on their own are helpful. The luminance vs. lightness section is helping me understant that, which I hadn't fully before.
  68. # [02:20] <leaverou> :D
  69. # [02:22] <dael> leaverou: Thank you so much for helping!
  70. # [02:25] <leaverou> no problem!
  71. # [02:25] <leaverou> glad I could help :)
  72. # [02:27] <dael> I'm glad your connection behaved ^-^
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  176. # [19:35] <dauwhe> Never wander around /TR/ without a native guide: http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-content/
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  179. # [19:41] <Ms2ger> dauwhe, never wander around /TR/, period
  180. # [19:42] <dauwhe> But I met a nice person at the bus station who said they could take me to the content property!
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  184. # [19:43] <SimonSapin> dauwhe: the content property is at http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css2/generate.html#content
  185. # [19:43] <SimonSapin> that other thing never happened
  186. # [19:44] <SimonSapin> more seriously, the "notes" column in http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/current-work may help
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  188. # [19:46] <dauwhe> SimonSapin: Thanks. I'm just continuously amazed by all the old stuff I stumble across.
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