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  90. # [18:07] <Ms2ger> sgalineau, I don't think attacking strawmen on twitter is helpful
  91. # [18:08] <sgalineau> thanks, your feedback on my freely expressed opinion is important
  92. # [18:09] <Ms2ger> I guess I should have known better than to respond
  93. # [18:22] <sgalineau> answering 'strawman attacks' with condescending put-downs isn't much of a response. so yeah, you should have.
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  125. # [21:22] <leaverou> TabAtkins: ping?
  126. # [21:22] <TabAtkins> pong
  127. # [21:25] <leaverou> TabAtkins: is there any example anywhere of how CSS variables (custom properties) are more powerful than preprocessor variables?
  128. # [21:25] <TabAtkins> Yes, in the spec.
  129. # [21:25] <TabAtkins> Well, hmm.
  130. # [21:26] <leaverou> I am reading the spec right now
  131. # [21:26] <leaverou> maybe I missed it
  132. # [21:26] <TabAtkins> I thought I had an example there of "building up" a value through repeated calc()s as you descended into the tree, but I don't see it.
  133. # [21:26] <TabAtkins> But an obvious one is being able to set a variable differently in different parts of the tree.
  134. # [21:27] <TabAtkins> Or not having to worry about name collisions when using a variable in a component, because the rest of the tree won't see your value.
  135. # [21:28] <leaverou> but preprocessor variables are scoped too, they just use lexical scoping (I think)
  136. # [21:31] <leaverou> I was hoping for a dynamic example, that would be absolutely impossible with preprocessor variables
  137. # [21:41] <TabAtkins> Well, SASS vars aren't lexically scoped (but they *could* be).
  138. # [21:41] <TabAtkins> At least, not in general. Obviously mixin arguments are scoped to the mixin lexically.
  139. # [21:41] <TabAtkins> If you can come up with a simple and obvious dynamic example, shoot it to me.
  140. # [21:42] <leaverou> TabAtkins: I will have to, as I need it for my book :P Another qq, is nesting still only in your github repo or is there an ED?
  141. # [21:42] <TabAtkins> Only GH.
  142. # [21:42] <leaverou> damn
  143. # [21:42] <leaverou> I wanted to link to it
  144. # [21:43] <TabAtkins> You... still can?
  145. # [21:43] <leaverou> TabAtkins: is it going to be there for the next few years, in the same URI?
  146. # [21:43] <TabAtkins> I expect it to be, yes. Unless GH dies.
  147. # [21:43] <TabAtkins> I don't like URLs changing. :/
  148. # [21:43] <leaverou> ok then! :)
  149. # [21:44] <leaverou> awww you’re using Prism in your drafts! <3
  150. # [21:44] <TabAtkins> Yup!
  151. # [21:44] <TabAtkins> Wanna add it to Bikeshed normally, too.
  152. # [21:46] <leaverou> wow :)
  153. # [21:47] <TabAtkins> Whenever I add MathJax support, I'll add Prism too, since the two represent the same difficulties.
  154. # [22:06] <leaverou> TabAtkins: The Web Platform needs something better than MathML for math :(
  155. # [22:06] <TabAtkins> Agree.
  156. # [22:06] <TabAtkins> But MathJax support LaTeX too, so that's slightly better I guess.
  157. # [22:07] <leaverou> yeah, but we shouldn't need a framework to display math in a reasonable way
  158. # [22:07] <TabAtkins> Agree.
  159. # [22:07] <leaverou> and latex is far from ideal either (although it's better than mathml)
  160. # [22:08] <TabAtkins> leaverou: I just now sent a preemptive rebuttal to any proposal to merge the color classes. ^_^
  161. # [22:08] <leaverou> lulz
  162. # [22:08] * leaverou is eager to read it
  163. # [22:09] <TabAtkins> Also, I need to go define HWBColor. I somehow forgot about it.
  164. # [22:09] <TabAtkins> Good, anyway, because I did a lot of tweaking to the structure of the classes, and having to repeat each tweak for all four of the existing classes was annoying enough.
  165. # [22:11] <leaverou> TabAtkins: K in CMYK doesn’t stand for blacK, it stands for Key
  166. # [22:11] <leaverou> so no collision there :)
  167. # [22:11] <TabAtkins> Oh man, that's even mroe confusing.
  168. # [22:11] <TabAtkins> I've seen plenty of explanations saying it's for blacK, so lots of people are confused.
  169. # [22:11] <TabAtkins> And "key" is non-obvious, as I've no idea what it means.
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  171. # [22:12] <leaverou> that's no reason to perpetuate misconceptions
  172. # [22:13] <leaverou> "The "K" in CMYK stands for key because in four-color printing, cyan, magenta, and yellow printing plates are carefully keyed, or aligned, with the key of the black key plate. Some sources suggest that the "K" in CMYK comes from the last letter in "black" and was chosen because B already means blue.[1][2] However, this explanation, although useful as a mnemonic, is incorrect.[3]"
  173. # [22:13] <leaverou> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CMYK_color_model
  174. # [22:13] <TabAtkins> While that's a cool bit of history, I'm saying it's irrelevant, because "key" doesn't mean anything to the vast majority of people and would be very confusing.
  175. # [22:14] <SimonSapin> yay, another thing we can be pedantic about! :)
  176. # [22:14] <TabAtkins> (This is a minor argument *for* keeping the attributes single-letter.)
  177. # [22:16] <leaverou> TabAtkins: also, black isn't a component of HWB, blackness is, right?
  178. # [22:16] <TabAtkins> The two words mean the same thing?
  179. # [22:16] <TabAtkins> Once again, argument for single-letter attributes being best. ^_^
  180. # [22:18] <TabAtkins> leaverou: Btw, I'll need the weekend to finish up tech-editing.
  181. # [22:18] <TabAtkins> (My deadline is officially today.)
  182. # [22:19] <leaverou> TabAtkins: no worries, that way I can send you the introduction too
  183. # [22:19] <leaverou> TabAtkins: as I plan to finish it today or tomorrow
  184. # [22:19] <TabAtkins> Cool.
  185. # [22:20] <leaverou> TabAtkins: many tech editors made comments about things I was planning to cover in the intro anyway, so it's better that way
  186. # [22:20] <TabAtkins> kkl
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