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  11. # [00:42] <astearns> dauwhe_: this can get you a first-baseline offset for the case where you want to move it down. Doesn't work to hike it up
  12. # [00:43] <astearns> http://codepen.io/astearns/pen/Jhryq
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  29. # [02:01] <TabAtkins> dbaron: In http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2014Feb/0053.html you're minuted as asking for clarification of how omitted values are handled in the 'display' shorthand. Do you remember what this means? We lost some detail in the minutes.
  30. # [02:02] <dbaron> TabAtkins, say what happens when the [ <‘display-inside’> || <‘display-outside’> || <‘display-extras’> ] option in the grammar is taken, and not all three parts are specified
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  32. # [02:02] <TabAtkins> Is that not handled by default? Everything unspecified takes its initial value.
  33. # [02:03] <dbaron> TabAtkins, Does that make sense?
  34. # [02:03] <dbaron> TabAtkins, and I'm actually not sure there's any general spec prose that handles that case by default
  35. # [02:04] <TabAtkins> Huh. I suppose I can add something to, hm, maybe Cascade for that?
  36. # [02:04] <TabAtkins> Ah, already handled: http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css-cascade/#shorthand
  37. # [02:04] <TabAtkins> "When values are omitted from a shorthand form, unless otherwise defined, each “missing” sub-property is assigned its initial value."
  38. # [02:05] <dbaron> ah, ok
  39. # [02:06] <dbaron> TabAtkins, also, I think the spec needs to say that 'none' sets both display-extras and display-outside to none
  40. # [02:07] <TabAtkins> Mm, yeah, it's ambiguous right now. Got it.
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  119. # [18:55] <astearns> rant on setting baselines in CSS now up: https://blogs.adobe.com/webplatform/2014/08/13/one-weird-trick-to-baseline-align-text/
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  124. # [19:17] <TabAtkins> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2014May/0053.html
  125. # [19:17] <fantasai> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2014May/0184.html
  126. # [19:18] * TabAtkins changes topic to 'Tab and Fantasai passing emails to each other through IRC'
  127. # [19:18] <TabAtkins> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2014May/0055.html
  128. # [19:19] <fantasai> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2014May/0185.html
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  130. # [19:20] <fantasai> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2014May/0186.html
  131. # [19:20] <fantasai> issue ^
  132. # [19:20] * trackbot doesn't understand that ISSUE command.
  133. # [19:20] <fantasai> response: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2014May/0187.html
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  138. # [19:35] * tantek is pleased to see people speaking in URLs
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  140. # [19:38] <SimonSapin> let’s make a competitor to emojli
  141. # [19:38] <TabAtkins> tantek: Resolve HTTPRange14, and I'll do more than speak in them.
  142. # [19:38] <fantasai> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2014May/0210.html
  143. # [19:38] <tantek> SimonSapin - precisely - register your username as a URL
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  146. # [19:40] <liam> SimonSapin, yeah, the programming community needs Asperjii for people who don't deal well with emotion
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  148. # [19:51] <fantasai> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2014May/0267.html
  149. # [19:52] <fantasai> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2014May/0335.html
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  151. # [19:54] <tantek> question: where was the announcement that there was no telcon today?
  152. # [19:54] <TabAtkins> private list
  153. # [19:54] <tantek> didn't see a URL in the /topic
  154. # [19:54] <tantek> odd that agenda would be in public list and lack of agenda be in private list
  155. # [19:55] <TabAtkins> Announcement of telcon shows up in private list; we just then put the agenda on the public.
  156. # [19:55] <TabAtkins> So announcement of non-telcon on private seems consistent.
  157. # [19:56] <fantasai> I think the issue is less about public vs private than technical vs administrative
  158. # [19:56] <fantasai> we try to keep admin things off www-style
  159. # [19:56] <tantek> lack of empty agenda seems inconsistent
  160. # [19:56] <fantasai> theoretically there could be another public admin list, but it wasn't worth it
  161. # [19:56] <tantek> ah, so that's why HTMLWG has a public admin list
  162. # [19:56] <TabAtkins> tantek: We don't post a lack of telcon the rest of the days of the week?
  163. # [19:56] <tantek> lack of *regular* telcon
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  165. # [20:00] <tantek> this whole fussing with various lists thing for administrivia is so quaint, I'd forgotten people seriously still do it
  166. # [20:00] <tantek> e.g. the new SocialWG always has "next telcon" updated on its wiki page. no list to monitor.
  167. # [20:00] <fantasai> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2014Mar/0594.html
  168. # [20:00] <tantek> no list archives to page/scroll through to look for relevance
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  170. # [20:01] <TabAtkins> Cool story, bro. ^_^
  171. # [20:01] <fantasai> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2014Apr/0004.html
  172. # [20:01] <tantek> TabAtkins: even better, I'm co-chairing the WG *without* any use of email in the group
  173. # [20:01] <tantek> just IRC + archives + wiki
  174. # [20:01] <TabAtkins> tantek: P sure that's illegal.
  175. # [20:02] <tantek> TabAtkins, kind of like WHATWG was?
  176. # [20:02] <TabAtkins> ^_^
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  179. # [20:05] <Hixie> chairing. how quaint. :-P
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  187. # [20:35] <TabAtkins> Says the WHATWG chair.
  188. # [20:36] <tantek> LOL
  189. # [20:37] <tantek> TabAtkins: that's WHATWG BDFL to you.
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  193. # [21:06] <Hixie> i'm just an editor, not a chair
  194. # [21:06] <Hixie> there's no meetings, no agendas
  195. # [21:07] <Hixie> nobody tells anyone what priorities are for them
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  197. # [21:18] <tantek> Hixie, sure. there's still some minimal administrivia you tend to, like anything do with email list, wiki accounts, whatwg.org maintenance. that's chair-like enough.
  198. # [21:19] <Hixie> actually i offload that to other people
  199. # [21:19] <Hixie> i don't even have the password to the wiki or blog, e.g.
  200. # [21:19] <Hixie> and dreamhost do most of the maintenance work
  201. # [21:19] <tantek> distributed chairship is a good thing
  202. # [21:20] <Ms2ger> Sounds more like secretary than chair work
  203. # [21:20] <tantek> so you can't add wiki accounts any more? that's new to me.
  204. # [21:20] <tantek> s/new/news
  205. # [21:20] <Hixie> i can add wiki accounts
  206. # [21:20] <Hixie> i mean i don't have the password to the account on dreamhost that hosts it
  207. # [21:20] <Hixie> (i mean, i could get it if i needed to, but...)
  208. # [21:20] <tantek> sure - that's more sysadmin-like stuff. the "can add wiki accounts" makes you at least a minimal chair
  209. # [21:21] <tantek> don't get me wrong, I'm all for minimal chairmainship, and I think you've set a good example with that.
  210. # [21:21] <tantek> part of my goal with trying out being a w3c chair is to see how minimal I can make it *inside* the system by example, even if it confuses existing w3c chairs.
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  214. # [21:47] <TabAtkins> Ms2ger: Being a secretary is part of being a decent chair, imo.
  215. # [21:47] <Ms2ger> TabAtkins, I don't see them as intrinsically linked, myself
  216. # [21:48] <TabAtkins> The job of a manager is to allow their employees to work efficiently. A chair is kinda the manager of the WG. ^_^
  217. # [21:51] <Hixie> i think equating "chair" in the w3c sense (declaring consensus, deciding priorities, deciding when things happen, organising and running meetings, writing agendas, etc) to a minor shared sysadmin role (what happens in the whatwg) is kinda missing the point of hte difference between the two
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  224. # [22:29] <fantasai> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2014Aug/0198.html
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  226. # [22:31] <dauwhe> The CSSWG chairs have been immensely helpful to me in the managerial sense (as described by Tab), which is distinct from the sysadmin sense or the w3c process sense.
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  228. # [22:45] * fantasai is glad to hear that
  229. # [22:45] * fantasai likes when people are helpful
  230. # [22:46] <liam> the w3c chair role needs a good deal of "facilitator" since we're (mostly) consensus-based
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  235. # [22:59] * dauwhe fantasai: and not just the chairs :)
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